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Kate T
10-22-2011, 07:54 AM
Various theories and definitions of sexuality have been put forward over time. It would appear that the American Psychology Association (APA) uses a similar definition or scale as proposed by Kinsey i.e.a continuum from exclusively homosexual to exclusively heterosexual (with an additional external category X asexual).

Hirschfeld was a pioneer in sexual psychology and published a scale of sexuality that ascribed a level of attractiveness on a scale of 0-10 to ones own and the opposite gender, i.e. A0B10 would describe someone with exclusive heterosexual orientation whilst A7B7 might descibe someone with bisexual orientation. Hirschfelds scale has the advantage of inherently describing asexual individuals (i.e.A0B0) as oposed to Kinseys.

However despite the fact that both researchers knew and investigated transgender individuals (in fact the term transvestite is generally ascribed to being first used by Hirschfeld) both scales have dificulties coping with many members of the transgender community.

As an example, if an individual is physically a male but has a gender identity exclusively female, if they are sexually attracted to women then are they heterosexual (i.e.physical male attracted to female) or homosexual (i.e. gender female attracted to female) according to the above theories? If we define them as heterosexual and they undergo SRS then are they now suddenly homosexual (i.e. physical female attracted to female).

Another example. JohnX, a physical male is attracted to and develops relationship with a non op TS SandyT(i.e.TS has strong female gender ID and has taken hormones and presents 24/7 as female). At least initially JohnX would believe himself to be in a heterosexual romantic attraction with SandyT. Yet if it progresses would it have to become a homosexual relationship according to the above theories.

Does anyone else see the above as dilemma's and serious flaws in the sexual orientation theories or is it just me? Why do I care? Well I think that sexuality is such a strong trigger for prejudice that the more we can understand it the better. One could just ignore the theories and take the approach of I am what I am, and I think that is a legitimate approach however it does not help others who are not members of the GLBTA community understand. Additionally studies on appropriate assistance for sexuality issues need to have some method of assessing and describing sexuality.

One way would be to merely change the Kinsey and Hirschfeld terms of heterosexual and homosexual to just male and female i.e. an individual is attracted to male or female regardless of that individuals gender or physical sex. That approach however does not help the couple in the second example I gave above in that JohnX would still have to alter his perception of his sexuality to develop a physical relationship with SandyT.

I dont think this is a question,more a point for discussion.

kellycan27
10-22-2011, 03:37 PM
The funny thing about educating people is that the one's who are open to learning are the one's who probably wouldn't have a problem with it in the first place. Live and let live. The one's who are prejudice and the hater types probably won't change their opinion by getting educated. You may get some converts, but it's the hard core types that pose more of a danger.

Kel

Aprilrain
10-22-2011, 05:51 PM
Here is my experience. JohnX get a hard on every time he looks at tranny porn, JohnX is also a CDer. JohnX finnally says F@#$ It and decides to join a dating site so he can meet a Pre OP TS girl. After months of wading through BS profiles of chicks who are really just trying to sell something (take a wild guess what they are selling) he finnally meets SandyT at this point SandyT is pretty tired of BS guys who think they are gods gift to TS and sorta hits it off with JohnX cause hes not an asshole. JohnX tells SandyT that he is BI. SandyT a bit shocked ask him about this and JohnX tells her He is BI because he likes TS girls. SandyT rolls her eyes and thinks privately to herself (MEN!). After a couple of months of dating JohnX realizes that he is not BI at all because he loves a Pre Op TS girl but rather a highly evolved man. (at least 2 or 3 steps above chimp....I'm kidding JEEZ!) He reassesses the situation and realizes that he indeed loves a woman its just that she has some unusual parts. He also realizes that the whole chick with a dick thing is largely an internet myth because in reality their thingies don't work! Just a bit of useless flesh waiting to be repurposed.

Make of that what you will!

I love how we are so obsessed with classifying who likes to sleep with who. seems unhealthy to me but who am I?

Kaitlyn Michele
10-22-2011, 05:57 PM
Wow april, very entertaining!!!!

i can't wait to read the next chapter!!!

i think you are right..we are obsessed, it is human nature to classify everything... maybe its how we can somehow process the Gazillions of pieces of data that are thrown at us every second....

sissystephanie
10-22-2011, 10:13 PM
Adina, I think you have way too much time on your hands. All that classification is another way of applying some more unecessary labels. I am a totally hetero CD, and that is all I am!! No need for more labels!!

pinto
10-22-2011, 10:49 PM
But doesn't classification help us to understand eachother? I think some kind classification is needed although it may distract us as Aprilrain showed by her story. Anyway i will also be waiting for the next chapter of JohnX and SandyT. Please April go on!

KellyJameson
10-23-2011, 02:44 AM
Trying to classify human beings leads to problems because we are emotional creatures, spontaneous, irrational, irreverant, prejudiced, fearful, fearless, ect...... People have sex for money, out of loneliness, to feel beautiful, desired,powerful, to act out past traumas, ect.... You cannot classify endless and ever changing motives by creatures that define themselves one moment only to contradict themselves the next. Just my humble opinion. Kelly