"Lesbian" video

[KrystalA]

I happened across a website this morning that had a video of two very pretty crossdressers kissing hot and heavy. I must admit I found it to be quite a turn-on. Does anyone else find this type of thing appealing? Whether it is crossdressers or GGs, I think it's pretty hot. :battingeyelashes: :battingeyelashes:

[docrobbysherry]

If you're attracted to men, CDs, and/or GGs, watching your select "gender" at play is usually stimulating, Krystal! Unless you're DEAD from the waist down!

For me, it's GGs. However, I've seen CDs that looked so fem that I couldn't tell they weren't GGs! So, watching them at play is arousing, until I see a part that is definitely NOT female! Then, I'm done!

[MonicaJean]

completely agree with Sherry. Things that are all-feminine attract my attention, if taken to the next level, can also be a real turn-on.

[KrystalA]

Well, they were just kissing. It didn't show anything that would suggest they weren't women.

[*Vanessa*]

No offense, but I find the thread a little offensive #Justsaying

[Stephenie S]

Yeah, me too. Buy into the whole patriarchal mess if you wish, but in the end you are only hindering the progress of women.

Whoops. I forgot. You ARE a guy aren't you?

Stephie

[AllieSF]

Stephanie, can you explain what you mean? How does this hinder the progress of women? Thanks. People have different tastes and get turned on by different things.

[kellycan27]

Different strokes for different folks... it's just sex and it washes off.:heehee:

[Niya W]

Has no clue how this is offensive . A CD turned on by 2 CD kissing his hindering the progress of women how ? Since you through the part about a being a man I guess it would of been ok if he was turned on by two men kissing. It would be ok for A GG to be turned on by 2 CD crossing but god forbid another CD gets turned on.

[Wendae]

I like porn involving CDs so I'll keep my thoughts to my self.

[suzy1]

What ever turns you on. As long as you are not hurting other people.

Sherry said it all for me.

SUZY

[Sophie86]

Yeah, me too. Buy into the whole patriarchal mess if you wish, but in the end you are only hindering the progress of women.

Whoops. I forgot. You ARE a guy aren't you?

Stephie

:straightface: ... whatever.

[LilSissyStevie]

Something happened to me about 10 years ago. Something that changed me forever. Something that happened while I was watching porn. Maybe it was lesbian porn. I've never been able to recover from it and I hope it never happens to any of you. I wish I could turn back the clock and be the person I used to be but I have to accept that those days are over. What happened? Well, right in the middle of some steamy scene that I can't even remember.......I yawned.

[Nancy (PA)]

Definite turn-on, and I watch the whole thing.

[Veronica Nicole]

No offence to anyone but I am not turned by 2guys kissing dressed or not. I find it to be really gross. Now 2 women is a different story.

[Megan70]

Ever wonder why the ( formerly) attached video URL is missing. Moderators had a different take on it, and they should. It belongs in Media section not this one. If you want to se that eroctic CD stuff go to YouTube or many Free CD porn sites, just google it and you'll be glued to your box for hours. Not here though.

[KellyJameson]

I'm one of those weird people, pornography does nothing for me at all regardless of presentation and I find it very boring and wonder why people spend so much time and money on it. I'm dead from the waist down unless I meet someone who is alive from the waist up and so far that has not happened.

[Tamara Croft]

Ever wonder why the ( formerly) attached video URL is missing. Moderators had a different take on it, and they should. It belongs in Media section not this one. If you want to se that eroctic CD stuff go to YouTube or many Free CD porn sites, just google it and you'll be glued to your box for hours. Not here though.

First of all, the first post hasn't been edited by any mod or any url removal, secondly, if mods had a different take on this thread, it would have been removed and finally, why does it belong in the media section, is it about the news etc?

And some of y'all outta stop acting like such prudes :rolleyes: and get a grip!

[Marie-Elise]

If you're attracted to men, CDs, and/or GGs, watching your select "gender" at play is usually stimulating, Krystal! Unless you're DEAD from the waist down!

For me, it's GGs. However, I've seen CDs that looked so fem that I couldn't tell they weren't GGs! So, watching them at play is arousing, until I see a part that is definitely NOT female! Then, I'm done!

What she said. Although I did once see a GG with a CD and I thought that was hot.

[Barbara Dugan]

There is nothing wrong with that...Different strokes for different folks. To myself two CD's or two GG kissing is a major turn off, the opposite two husky guys kissing is quiet appealing to me..everyone is different

[Niya W]

First of all, the first post hasn't been edited by any mod or any url removal, secondly, if mods had a different take on this thread, it would have been removed and finally, why does it belong in the media section, is it about the news etc?

And some of y'all outta stop acting like such prudes :rolleyes: and get a grip!
That would require a surgical procedure to remove said stick. Unfortunately it's seen as an elective procedure and insurance will not cover it .

[Lori B]

First of all, the first post hasn't been edited by any mod or any url removal, secondly, if mods had a different take on this thread, it would have been removed and finally, why does it belong in the media section, is it about the news etc?

And some of y'all outta stop acting like such prudes :rolleyes: and get a grip!lol....!:heehee: that`a girl! :thumbsup:

[Jill Devine]

Yeah, me too. Buy into the whole patriarchal mess if you wish, but in the end you are only hindering the progress of women.

Whoops. I forgot. You ARE a guy aren't you?

Stephie
???

Did I miss a chapter? What do you mean?

[Niya W]

Jill we all missed that chapter . In fact I want refund on this book.

[Tamara Croft]

Yeah, me too. Buy into the whole patriarchal mess if you wish, but in the end you are only hindering the progress of women.

Whoops. I forgot. You ARE a guy aren't you?

Stephie

So you're offended by the thread and then spout some nonsense... but then you're offensive to another person by stating they 'ARE' a guy... YOU need to get over yourself and don't be such a bitch :eek:

[Niya W]

I thought this thread was going to be a mess . I'm happy it's only a few that are prudes .

[DominiqueinKY]

As far as I'm concerned...It's all good!!! :devil: Just my :2c:

[Debutante]

I certainly do! This has always been attractive and sexually appealing to me...... esp. a Tg and female, or two females..... OMG!

[sara.s]

Yuck, That is so gross! :yucky:






(To op: Can you please pm me the link to the video. Thanks :D)

[DominiqueinKY]

yuck, that is sooo gross! :yucky:

(to op: Can you please pm me the link to the video. Thanks :d)

i love this!!!!!! Lmao

[Niya W]

Just visit my special web site. I'm offering videos @ %15 off . Just enter promo code Transbian are fun.

[Cynthia Anne]

Some like it! Some don't! When they pass a rule that we all have to like the same thing then that's when I quit!:brolleyes: Hugs to all!:)

[docrobbysherry]

Just visit my special web site. I'm offering videos @ %15 off . Just enter promo code Transbian are fun.

OMG, Niya! You're on SUCH a roll! What ever antidepressant you're on, can u PLEASE PM it to me!?

[Niya W]

Bah it's just the lorazpam and hydrocodine . Sure I can't drive right now, but hey I sure do fell happy. Actually it was my sense of humor that kept me some what sane . Now off to my nude peta meetings. Just as soon as I finish eating this bloody steak.

[SweetPea_GG]

I'm still stuck on the title of "lesbian video" when it was 2 CDer kissing. So unless they were female CDers then it doesn't count as lesbian? Please correct me if I got it wrong lol

[Niya W]

I think it's safe to say the OP meant MTF CD. But hey I could be wrong . It happen once in 1999. But I could of been right so I was never wrong .

[Sophie86]

I'm still stuck on the title of "lesbian video" when it was 2 CDer kissing. So unless they were female CDers then it doesn't count as lesbian? Please correct me if I got it wrong lol

You missed the scare quotes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes) around lesbian. The title of the thread is "Lesbian" video, not Lesbian video.

[SweetPea_GG]

You missed the scare quotes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes) around lesbian. The title of the thread is "Lesbian" video, not Lesbian video.

Well with or without the quotes its not really lesbian of any form since that refers to females (GGs). And I would think the same if stated "gay" with 2 GGs dressed as men. JMO though

[catriona36]

i will watch bones b4 porn... but i will give a break down..
porn
girl on girl? hell yeah
guy on guy? hell no (even tho i am bi,gay porn does nothing for me)
guy on girl?? yeah or hell yeah if there is some hide the hand action
preop ts on girl?? yes please
pre op ts on guy? nah tho i wouldnt mind trying that game my self for one night
cd on cd? nah does nothing for me
cd on gg? not so muchbut i may do it myself given the chance.

kissing
love watching vids or clips of two girlls making out tho

but in the end you are only hindering the progress of women.... now what does that say about women who like gay male porn?

as far as picture porn goes, i would rather spend time looking at pictures of boats and the work being done on them.

Mr President, if you can buy porn for $5 on any street corner, isnt that too high a price for free speech?
"president BArtlet:No, but then $5 is too high a price for porn...
i love the west wing :)

[larry]

Now that was funny thanks.


Something happened to me about 10 years ago. Something that changed me forever. Something that happened while I was watching porn. Maybe it was lesbian porn. I've never been able to recover from it and I hope it never happens to any of you. I wish I could turn back the clock and be the person I used to be but I have to accept that those days are over. What happened? Well, right in the middle of some steamy scene that I can't even remember.......I yawned.

[docrobbysherry]

I think it's safe to say the OP meant MTF CD. But hey I could be wrong . It happen once in 1999. But I could of been right so I was never wrong .

Have u ever visited England or Oz, Niya? They have an attitude similar to yours RE driving!
They say driving on the RITE is WRONG! And, that driving on the LEFT is RITE!???

[CINDYO]

hmmm, turned on by 2 guys kissing?

[suzy1]

Well with or without the quotes its not really lesbian of any form since that refers to females (GGs). And I would think the same if stated "gay" with 2 GGs dressed as men. JMO though

I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. Will that help………..perhaps not.:idontknow:

[Niya W]

Have u ever visited England or Oz, Niya? They have an attitude similar to yours RE driving!
They say driving on the RITE is WRONG! And, that driving on the LEFT is RITE!???No they said my ego would not clear customs . Just remember, one day I'll be the poster child for NORMAL

[Shananigans]

Hot people making out is usually pretty stimulating to me. I don't really see it as degrading women if two lesbians are making out. It DOES seem to get more attention. My SO was dressed as a woman for Halloween and passing pretty well (even in crowd of people who knew him) and we kissed for maybe 2 seconds on the dance floor when some guy was like, "WOAH! Girls making out! ...Wait a minute...you aren't a girl!!!" Heterosexual mean are turned on by women...so two hot women making out is extra hot. At the same time, I think women are really hot...so, two women making out is pretty hot for me.

Don't understand how this is that degrading.

Porn could be argued as degrading, but the fact is that people (85% of whom are men) like to watch porn. So, it isn't really going to go away.


Well with or without the quotes its not really lesbian of any form since that refers to females (GGs). And I would think the same if stated "gay" with 2 GGs dressed as men. JMO though

When my SO is dressed as a woman, we are lesbians. You could call us "lesbians" if you really wanted. But, we're just two girl fooling around at that point. Now, if you are watching CDing porn BECAUSE they are men dressed as women and you find a man dressed as a woman stimulating, that's called a fetish. But, I see my SO as a woman even if her genitalia is different than mine.

I think it depends on how you are looking at the people. If you find two CDs hot because women are hot, then I think you could be looking at them as lesbians. It doesn't raise any "gay" implications. You find good looking women hot and these CDs pass as women well, so you can't help but be turned on. Now, if you find them hot Because of the fact they are CDs and the penis excites you...well, that's a bit different. Nothing wrong with it, I guess. But, it's getting into mixed genitalia fetishes and other stuff. I don't really find that kind of thing exciting at all, but there's a market for it because it's different. And, I guess if you watch enough of the "same ol', same ol'" porn, you might need a little taboo to progress to elicit more stimulating responses from yourself.

[Sophie86]

When my SO is dressed as a woman, we are lesbians. You could call us "lesbians" if you really wanted. But, we're just two girl fooling around at that point.

Thank you.

I don't understand the viewpoint that it's okay to refer to us with femme pronouns, but 'lesbian' is somehow verboten.

[Robyn2006]

Just wondering how/why this thread hasn't been deleted. I have no problem with it, none at all… two gorgeous women (regardless of actual gender) enjoying themselves ranks pretty high on my meter (though only soft-core, kissing stuff, thank you very much). But good lord, seems if I ever post anything the least bit sordid, I get slammed by our moderators. Over the years here I've been tamed. I've learned the length of my leash. For example, once upon a time I would have added a picture to this post of two women kissing, but I know that would be WAY over the pail and that it would be deleted. Kinda cramps my style, but, hell... love sharing with you all too much to risk removal from this site from too many infractions. (Though still a bit in the dark about what's wrong with posting fun, harmless pictures that are only meant to punctuate my post. Really miss doing that.) :sad:

Sorry, I did stray a bit from the topic at hand!

Robyn

[MackenzieMarigold]

It's a damn shame that there has to be ANY negativity towards something like that. People kiss. People have sex. That's part of life.

No one has the right to judge anyone else based on what arouses them as long as it isn't hurting anyone. Liking two girls making out, or two crossdressers making out, it's all a matter of preference. And it's beautiful either way. It's disgusting to see that a forum for CROSSDRESSING (Something that requires an OPEN MIND) would have people so closeminded as to judge someone else for enjoying something natural.

But that's just my opinion.

[Robyn2006]

Well said, Mackenzie! Hoping it's not just your opinion, but many others here. :battingeyelashes:

[PaulaAnn]

Mackenzie;Now that was nicely expressed ;I agree 100 %.

[ReineD]

Not to throw cold water on this thread or anything, but did you know that excessive porn causes ED? And this is in young guys in their 20s! A study was done on about 24,000 guys. "70% of young men seeking medical treatment for declining libido and erectile dysfunction had been for years heavy porn users":

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/02/25/scientists-internet-porn-cause-impotence/

http://yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/html/363

http://www.erectile-dysfunction-symptoms.net/study-links-pornography-to-erectile-dysfunction-in-young-men/


... just thought some of you might be interested.


Edit:


I don't understand the viewpoint that it's okay to refer to us with femme pronouns, but 'lesbian' is somehow verboten.

Oh, that was me and a few others in another thread a few weeks ago. I was pointing out that some of the members here are offended when male-identified CDs refer to themselves as lesbian when they are dressed. And, since we all have to play in the same sandbox ...... :straightface:

However, if CDs want to say they FEEL like they are lesbians when they're dressed, then no one can argue about the feelings. It's a small distinction, but an important one. :)


It's disgusting to see that a forum for CROSSDRESSING (Something that requires an OPEN MIND) would have people so closeminded as to judge someone else for enjoying something natural.

Did I miss something? Other than one or two dissenters (as happens in every forum no matter the topic), didn't most others either agree with the OP, were neutral, or simply posted their own sexual preferences? What is it exactly about the general attitude in this thread that you find disgusting?

[Sophie86]

Oh, that was me and a few others in another thread a few weeks ago. I was pointing out that some of the members here are offended when male-identified CDs refer to themselves as lesbian when they are dressed. And, since we all have to play in the same sandbox ...... :straightface:

Yeah, I'm not getting into that debate again.


However, if CDs want to say they FEEL like they are lesbians when they're dressed, then no one can argue about the feelings.

Really? Because that's all I ever thought anyone in that other thread was saying. I only remember one person claiming to be literally a lesbian, and she was a TS who told the rest of us that we weren't allowed to use the word.

But whatever. I'll accept this. When I'm dressed with my wife, I feel like a lesbian.

[divamissz]

I've been turned on watching two hot CD's kissing hot and heavy. I have also been turned on by two lesbians doing it. And hot gay men, too. Even-gasp!-het couples!

Because watching two PEOPLE who are very into each other, who are attracted to each other, and who are sharing an intimate moment with each other to me is hot. Love is love. I know I'm in the minority here; that's okay.

[eluuzion]

Ok, as long as everybody is being cough, cough, “honest”…:brolleyes:

-For my “salaried” short reply…(just read my little sign at the bottom).
-For my “paid by the hour” long reply… read on...

I was born with an overzealous curiosity. After 20+ years of crossdressing there is still a sexual charge component. For me, sexual feelings are a good thing. So according to some members on the forum, I have not “matured” as a CD yet. Just for the record, I hope I never do, lol. I am still far beyond the average 54% of men that think of sex everyday. 54 times a day is probably more accurate in my case, :D.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/five-shocking-stats-about-men-and-sex

I have been looking at “porn” since I was about 10 years old and discovered my father’s stash of Playboy & Penthouse magazines hidden in his closet (with the slot machines). I think one of the first things I did when I got my first computer and internet access was surf for porn, :D. If anything I am “functioning” better “physically” now than I have in my entire life right now. “Porn” is still just another toy in my toy box, not the ONLY toy. (I have never been remotely interested in “strip clubs” or paying for any type of sexual content). Has that activity diminished my interest in chasing women? NO, at least not the ones that I consider worth “chasing”, lol.

I have known and currently know many people that are not “hetero”. It has no significant influence on how I view them as a person, or how I view myself. Sexual attraction between two people is always “appealing” to me, as long as they are both human. I am curiously interested in all sexual behaviors. I do not feel that showing curiosity and interest equates to a personal preference to engage in every behavior that I choose to observe. In my opinion, making such illogical assumptions is harboring an anal retentive perspective, which I will leave up to other people.

I also believe it is possible to find a behavior “appealing” in the short or long term, without attaching an immediate personal desire to participate in the behavior. I am also realistic enough to believe that at some point in my future, I may find myself engaged in behavior that at present time, I could never imagine myself capable of participating in. (CD is one example that comes to my mind).

So, the moral of my story here (or maybe lack of morals, lol) is this…

Yes, I find CD, gay, hetero or any other version of intimacy between consenting “partners” to be “appealing”. Yes, I still feel some sexual content to CD. No, it is not fading with “maturity”. Yes, I am still thinking about “sex” a lot, but it is not the only thing. Yes, I can still “perform” and my libido has not diminished since I first learned what the term meant when I was about 12. I function productively in society and I do not look at any decline in sexual interest as anything close to being a positive issue, lol. I do not have any imaginary friends, either. I take responsibility for all of my actions and my position in life at every point.

I realize this may cripple my chances of ever earning the coveted title of being an “authentic” CD, from the judges jury of pedantic “peers”…but somehow I think I will manage to survive…:heehee:

I never claimed to be normal. :drink:

Carry on Citizens, whatever you are...:hugs:
:love:

[Shananigans]

Not to throw cold water on this thread or anything, but did you know that excessive porn causes ED? And this is in young guys in their 20s! A study was done on about 24,000 guys. "70% of young men seeking medical treatment for declining libido and erectile dysfunction had been for years heavy porn users

Haha this is an excellent aside. I believe the area of the brain that is being desensitized by porn is the same area that can become desensitized from repeated drug use. I'm not really sure though.

[ReineD]

Haha this is an excellent aside. I believe the area of the brain that is being desensitized by porn is the same area that can become desensitized from repeated drug use. I'm not really sure though.

I first found this article on a computer tech blog, believe it or not, and the link was to a different source (same study) that I can't find now. They did say that too much porn makes it difficult for a guy to be able to have a mutually satisfying sexual experience with a partner, which affects libido and propels them even more towards the porn. It's a downward spiral. And if guys want to change this, they need to abstain from watching porn altogether and they exhibit the same withdrawal symptoms as people who have a chemical dependency: headaches, feelings of emptiness, listlessness, even a mild form of DTs (shaking), depending on the severity of the porn compulsion.

It's no different than any other addiction/compulsion, specifically a sexual compulsion that would also have a porn element. And the denial over this is just as strong as it is over alcoholism or other addictions/compulsions: "Oh, I don't have a problem, I can stop anytime". There are help groups (some are 12 Step) for this.

But what I found most remarkable was the ages of the men involved!!! These are men their 20s, not 50s! Can you imagine a sex life slowing down at that age, and also to lack an ability to get into a meaningful relationship because of this?

[billie earls]

We all get turned on by different things and that's what porn is supposed to do. Sometimes it's not the people in it but how they relate to each other. CD porn is a turn on for me but male to male is not, so to each his own.

[Yazna]

I love Lesbian making love... There is nothing wrong with that...is my best Fantasy to became a Lesbian...because I love GG and feminine sexy CD, TG for ever!

[Shananigans]

But what I found most remarkable was the ages of the men involved!!! These are men their 20s, not 50s! Can you imagine a sex life slowing down at that age, and also to lack an ability to get into a meaningful relationship because of this?

I can completely imagine it. I have talked to 5 different close friends who are dating men in their mid-20s that have frequent episodes of ED. My advice to them was that it was probably due to stress and to not give the guy a hard time about it. However, this leads some interesting light on the situation. I don't know if I will tell the girls about it (just to save drama...unless they come to me about it again in a couple of months), but I'm going to send out a text to my guy friends (including the guys in question) with this link included. They can take from it what they will. (I'm THAT friend that always sends random health prevention information to you anyway...it's the nurse in me). My boyfriend never had problems with ED, but he was "acting out sexually" based on stuff that he was trying to create with other people based on what he had been watching in porn. (I think you remember us going through this without me getting too detailed :) ).It took a long time before we realized it was actually an addiction to porn. Since he decided to cut it out of his life, our relationship and sex life has been mind-blowing (without being too graphic) and we've explored more fantasies and situations with each other than just running off with some random person to act out the fantasies.

Going back to the OP a little bit...I have talked to a few girls that worried they were bisexual because they were turned on by girls making out in porn. I find it kind of funny since I'm bisexual. I think it's completely natural to be turned on by in the act of sex, no matter your sexual orientation. But, I can see how this could cause sexual identity confusion and problems. When I talked to my "bisexual friends" about whether they could actually experience a woman in real life and love her...they got a little shifty and said, "Ehhhh...I don't know..." Most of the time (if not 100% of the time) fantasy does not equal reality and what you think you could do based on some porno isn't actually what you are going to do. I do think that it could drive people to act on these compulsions though.

Personally, I didn't need any porn to know I was bisexual. I figured that out before I was even a teenager. There was an internal knowing that did not need pornographic material to elicit any sexuality confusion. But, I think people that are turned on by certain images in porn analyze why they are turned on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much and it has little to do with their sexuality.

[MackenzieMarigold]

My advice to them was that it was probably due to stress and to not give the guy a hard time about it..

Oh my I'll assume you didn't catch the double entendre here :heehee:

Sorry, had to say it!




Did I miss something? Other than one or two dissenters (as happens in every forum no matter the topic), didn't most others either agree with the OP, were neutral, or simply posted their own sexual preferences? What is it exactly about the general attitude in this thread that you find disgusting?

I know it was only a few people, but I don't think there should be ANY acting that way. Like this shouldn't be a subject that has any negativity attached to it, especially in a place like this. Of course people disagree though, that's just life.

[ReineD]

I don't know if I will tell the girls about it (just to save drama...unless they come to me about it again in a couple of months), but I'm going to send out a text to my guy friends (including the guys in question) with this link included. They can take from it what they will.

They won't want to listen if they hear it from their girlfriends. They'll just tell themselves the girls are jealous or uptight, or are nagging, or something. :p

What's sad, is usually people don't want to listen until it's too late, and even then, it's hard to give up cheap thrills for the sake of long-term happiness. It's just a lot easier to say there's no harm in whatever they're doing. I know this because I went through it myself when I was younger.



(I think you remember us going through this without me getting too detailed :) ).It took a long time before we realized it was actually an addiction to porn. Since he decided to cut it out of his life, our relationship and sex life has been mind-blowing (without being too graphic) and we've explored more fantasies and situations with each other than just running off with some random person to act out the fantasies.

Yes, I remember. I'm glad it's better now. :)



Most of the time (if not 100% of the time) fantasy does not equal reality and what you think you could do based on some porno isn't actually what you are going to do. I do think that it could drive people to act on these compulsions though.I do think that it could drive people to act on these compulsions though.

I agree and furthermore, the reality for people who are into porn (more than real partners) cannot even approximate the fantasy. In the fantasy everything is under the control of your imagination. This is not the case in real life .... you can't control others or their reactions, but, this is the part of real life that can make it so magical! :)

[eluuzion]

I first found this article on a computer tech blog, believe it or not, and the link was to a different source (same study) that I can't find now. They did say that too much porn makes it difficult for a guy to be able to have a mutually satisfying sexual experience with a partner, which affects libido and propels them even more towards the porn. It's a downward spiral. And if guys want to change this, they need to abstain from watching porn altogether and they exhibit the same withdrawal symptoms as people who have a chemical dependency: headaches, feelings of emptiness, listlessness, even a mild form of DTs (shaking), depending on the severity of the porn compulsion.

It's no different than any other addiction/compulsion, specifically a sexual compulsion that would also have a porn element. And the denial over this is just as strong as it is over alcoholism or other addictions/compulsions: "Oh, I don't have a problem, I can stop anytime". There are help groups (some are 12 Step) for this.

But what I found most remarkable was the ages of the men involved!!! These are men their 20s, not 50s! Can you imagine a sex life slowing down at that age, and also to lack an ability to get into a meaningful relationship because of this?

hiya R,

This may appear to contradict my earlier comments on another thread regarding "compulsive behavior" and "addiction", but I still stand by those statements when applied to crossdressing behavior.

Since we have crossed into another aspect of the ride on this "StreetCar Named Desire"...I'll jump on...

You are right about the "addiction" cycle. Yes, it does impact dopamine and other neurotransmitter balance similar to drug addiction, etc. The easiest way to explain it in layman terms is to use Crack as an example. The "rush" of crack is so intense it exceeds the limits of any ecstasy a human could ever hope to experience. (orgasm, etc.)

So orgasms, sex, whatever pleasures in life existed prior to the cycle of addiction, will always pale in comparison with that rush of a crack pipe. It is a tough adjustment to "lower your pleasure expectations" once you experience something incredibly more intense than anything available in "normal" life.

Then add the "chasing the dragon" component. The depletion of supplies from constant draining without sufficient time for replenishment of neurotransmitters reserves such as dopamine, etc...result in trying to get money out of an ATM when your account balance is 0. The addict chases harder for that original "rush" from a reserve that no longer exists. The "reward" becomes the opposite of the addicts desire. Euphoria becomes Dysphoria. The more you do, the worse you feel and elation becomes depression and lethargy. This is the end of the cycle that often results in overdose and death of drug addicts...OD trying to find that high that does not exist anymore.

The same process with porn, sex addiction, etc. It is extremely tough to drag yourself back to normalcy from the bottom of a hole, knowing you will never experience the type of high you know exists...or did exist at one time. It is a long process. You are in too deep before you realize it.

You can recover...but the process you describe is accurate, and extremely tough to recover from. Particularly when there are triggers all around you. It is very difficult for people to understand why addicts "relapse", because they have no idea of reference for comparison. I am totally amazed that anybody is able to make a full and permanent recovery from those nightmares. But many do.

I have my problems in life, just as everyone does. But I am very thankful that is not one of them!


:love:

[ReineD]

Thanks for explaining the process, Eluuzion. :hugs:

Edit ... you know, I always thought our forebears were uptight or overly religious for discouraging drinking, porn, "wild life" type activities, and I was thankful for the 60s cultural revolution that told us it was OK indulge in whatever we want.

But, now I'm beginning to wonder if people in prior generations had an inkling of the dangers that can befall a person when they put their neurotransmitters out of whack. It doesn't matter what it is ... drugs, alcohol, sex, even food compulsions and when it reaches a point where you can't function normally, these things keep people isolated and can seriously impact the quality of life to the point, as you say, where it is damn well hard to climb out of it. And what's sad is that many times people settle for a mediocre life because they can't face what they must do in order to help themselves. They tell themselves they are happy as long as they can continue to indulge in their compulsions.

One of the secrets to happiness may well be the trite saying: "Everything in moderation", in other words, balance.

[eluuzion]

RD...:hugs:

It is no coincidence that the “everything in moderation” wisdom keeps making more sense the older we get, eh? Lol

I suppose Andy Rooney could have answered this one for us. But he died last night and we are on our own again. Boo-Hoo:sad:

Let’s face it. Everything that is fun in life is either potentially addicting or against the law…or both. Lol (even CD forums, lol)

But everyday above ground is still a good day…:hugs:
:love:

[ReineD]

It is no coincidence that the “everything in moderation” wisdom keeps making more sense the older we get, eh? Lol

Well, here's a well-worn refrain: I wish I knew in my 20s & 30s, what I know now. :)

Still, you're right ... it's good as long as we're still here. That's too bad about AR. I hadn't heard that.

[Momarie]

But two crossdressers aren't two lesbians...so you are turned on by two men who dress like women?


Or like Divamissz said:
"Because watching two PEOPLE who are very into each other, who are attracted to each other, and who are sharing an intimate moment with each other to me is hot. Love is love."

Miss Diva I don't think you are in the minority at all!

[Shananigans]

you know, I always thought our forebears were uptight or overly religious for discouraging drinking, porn, "wild life" type activities, and I was thankful for the 60s cultural revolution that told us it was OK indulge in whatever we want.

But, now I'm beginning to wonder if people in prior generations had an inkling of the dangers that can befall a person when they put their neurotransmitters out of whack. It doesn't matter what it is ... drugs, alcohol, sex, even food compulsions and when it reaches a point where you can't function normally, these things keep people isolated and can seriously impact the quality of life to the point, as you say, where it is damn well hard to climb out of it. And what's sad is that many times people settle for a mediocre life because they can't face what they must do in order to help themselves. They tell themselves they are happy as long as they can continue to indulge in their compulsions.

One of the secrets to happiness may well be the trite saying: "Everything in moderation", in other words, balance.

You're so right. I also hate it when people are absolutely against porn, or say that anything is just inherently evil. I think anything in excess can be bad.

Like I have told my SO, I never was bothered by the porn he watched or his fantasies (I mean, I watch porn and have my own thoughts and fantasies, so it's a little hard to be judgmental). But, when you make you entire life about the stuff you have seen in porn and tear apart relationships and begin self-destructive behaviors...you have a real problem. And, it may mean you can never watch porn again. But, I think for anyone in that boat it has to be THEIR decision to stop. Just like with any drug or addiction.

But, I want to say that most people don't really have this problem. My friend was part of a research study that showed porn addiction as one of the fastest growing addictions...so, maybe I'm wrong. But, we are also getting killed off with things like heart disease and atherosclerosis because of our love for junk food.

Everything in moderation.

But, it's just so damn good. What a life to eat cheeseburgers and watch porn all day...ahhhhh

[ReineD]

But, it's just so damn good. What a life to eat cheeseburgers and watch porn all day...ahhhhh

... and Heath Bars! :)

Thank God Halloween is over and the candy isle is empty. lol

[SFRobin]

... it's just sex and it washes off.:heehee:

Kelly, I love that line...

[Aprilrain]

For a lot of straight men, watching women being sexually involved with other women is like watching American football without the advert breaks. It is all the things that wobble, jiggle and glide and give you visual pleasure without that rather scary bloke with the moustache being involved.

SO thats why I always like the porn with the guys in it better! He's NOT scary! watching 2 chicks make out, meh. watching 2 dudes make out, eww no thank you. watching CDs do much of anything, yeah no. watching a guy and a girl get it on, uh YEAH! but frankly I really can't see the appeal in porn.

[PrettyFlowingGown]

I watch 2 GG's alot, thats nice. A TG and GG is quite nice too, if the TG is pretty. Have'nt seen 2 CDs together in porn, but i've been with a CD sexually a few times.

[Badtranny]

Ok, as long as everybody is being cough, cough, “honest”…:brolleyes:

Gosh Eluuzion, that was excellent.

[LaurenAnne]

What ever turns you on. As long as you are not hurting other people.

Sherry said it all for me.

SUZY

Seriously. If the internet has taught us anything it's that men and woman are turned on by all variety.

[Shelly67]

Seriously. If the internet has taught us anything it's that men and woman are turned on by all variety.

On such a delicate subject , it reminded me of something I saw on television a few months ago . The thread caused me to deliberate further ..... therefore ...
In response to Laurens quote - I couldnt agree more .
Each to theyre own .......
Unless .....
I saw a program discussing the type of porn availble today - not the Readybrek glow type of a vhs thats been copied ten thousand fold either. The program featured both men and females and the effect ofveiwing pornography . One thing seemed very evident - a lot of porn has to shock , and the film companies are seriously trying to out do each other with the shock factor. Its beome almost abusive in its content . A lady who was watching a clip along with the other female show guests on the program burst into tears , worried that her teenage sons would be able to access such material . One actor / producer was openlly named by an actress herself- so I had a peek online . Surely things weren't that bad ?
I was wrong .
The man is nothing more than an animal .
I was offended , worried , and in total horror that such men treat women so disrespectfully and then are allowed make a living from it .
It just isnt descent .
Or humane.
I won't divulge or go on about him anymore .... except this . I spoke to a dear friend via another crossdressing site , he and his wife took a peek too and were horrified at the content and for the poor actress involved .
Let me make one thing totally clear - this type of adult entertainment is readily sold - legally . In my own consideration it's wrong . Please , believe me i have an open mind , but somethings are just crazy . My good friend then remarked on how in contrast they sometimes enjoyed viewing a movie together and have found transgender films far more respective towards the actors concerned . The content very adult , but more loving . They both also commented that the ideal of shock had crossed over into lesbian erotica .
I continued to consider the reality of porn ... its true , no matter the gender certain things float boats , whilst some titles are just so disrespective , abusive and selfish . I know we all have a choice to click off , but should such movies be out there at all ?
Therefore I can only think this ...in my own consideration . No matter the genders , surely if the content is there to arouse an adult but in a context that is at best non shocking then its a censors job well done .
The onus is on the concenting viewers choice , but surely that remains a reality that shouldn't be the start of questioning oneself?


However , if the content is border line horror , then how on earth can a censorship pass it - or worse - how on all that is right can people get off on such viewing material . ?
And where the hell will it all eclipse and end ?
Perhaps its worth considering .... watching two cd'ers kissing is one thing , but in certain other adult movies the behaviour of paricular stars may encourage some people out there that the behaviour is correct , by god I hope they don't try to emulate it .
Its odd how some people can find the content of some films questionable , but in a fleeting moment find other extreme content enjoyable .
But then again , there are those out there in the big wide world that call people like myself a pervert , freak , weirdo for my liking to dress like a woman .
Its double standards .
Nothing more .
BUT very worrying .

[KrystalA]

Wow! I seem to have really opened a can of worms here! One thing that confuses me though, is how did the subject matter of the responses get around to porn? It was a video of two "women" kissing while fully dressed. I don't consider it to be porn unless there is at least some nudity or sexual activity other than kissing involved. Am I too liberal, or are others too uptight?

[Shelly67]

Your right - I certainly went a little off target - lol
Perhaps it was the witnessing such a sensitive moment of kissing viewed in porn only ,that then started the ball rolling .
Could it be I was too presumptious in my own return ? i do often ramble ..... as my wifes often said " honesty maybe your only excuse - but you do go on " - LOL
Mind you , I've got to be "honest" , watching a man and woman kissing does nothing for me really .
However seeing two females ( including crossdressers ) kissing seems like such a gentle sincere moment of total surrender .... I find it sexy .
Perhaps its because its more pleasing on the eye ........... ?

[Shananigans]

Krystal,

I think everyone's mind wonders a bit. Two hot people making out automatically has me thinking about other things...especially if it's just like an internet video...I would automatically be thinking, "Alright...where might this go?"

So, I think we made a logical leap towards higher sexual implications....

But, maybe my mind is in the gutter :)