Wearing female clothes in public with no makup, etc.

[Barbara Jo]

I am now retired and have all the free time in in the world and presently live alone so, I can dress whenver I want to.
I'm also in great, physical health with a still, slim figure with fairly wide hips for a male and 36a breasts

So, what is my problem?
I really do not like makeup. It takes me forever to look right and my eyesight is failing making it very difficult to apply makeup without my glasses.
Also, I do not want to exit my apartment with makeup as someone is shure to see me going or coming.

However, recently I have had the serious urge to go to a shopping mall in another town dressed completely as a female without makeup or a wig. I presently have short hair.
This would probably consist of a white, fairly feminine button down blouse that may be considered asexual by some, tan female elastic waist pants and white canvas female shoes. Also, some light jewelery like stud earing and a simple, feminine chain necklace. The only thing on my head would be a pink baseball cap.
The look would be casual but definately feminine.
All I would have to do when leaving my apt is to wear a jacket and a pair of loose fitting jeans over my female pants, removing them after leaving my apt.

With my figure, I would looke like a female from the back. From the front, after seeing my face most will reallize that I'm either a very efiminate man/sissy or a masculine woman..... either a "crazy" old man or strange old woman.
To be perfectly honest, I have come to the conclusion that I'm a bit of a sissy anyway.

My beard shadow would be visible close up however. I do not have a masculine face other than that. In fact, it is more ferminine than many GGs my age. If I was not cursed with this facial hair, I would dress in public daily. It's a bit frustrating.

Anyway, I want to go to the mall during a busy period so I wont stand out as much.

I fully realize that some may laugh or make comments but I don't care and wiil completly ignore them. I just want to be myself!
Besides, no one will make a "scene" in a crowded public place.

I must say that at my, age I could not care less what people who I will never see again may in think or say about me.
It's not against the law so why not?

Has anyone done anything like this?

[sissystephanie]

Barbara Jo, my late wife always did my makeup and fixed my wig. She was way better at both thing than I could ever be. When she passed away a little over 6 years ago, I decided that I would just go out fully dressed enfemme, but with no makeup or wig! I have been doing that now for the past 6 years and have NOT had one single negative remark made. I have had compliments on my feminine outfits, which usually include a skirt or dress!! And I do go everywhere that way, shopping, or to eat, or go to the Post Office, etc. It was kind of scary at first, especially going into a large Mall and walking around dressed like that! But you know what? People really don't pay much attention! Sure they may look at you, but then they look away or at something else. They just don't care!!

So dress up and go out!! You will have fun!! BTW, I am also at least semi-retired and I am 79 years old. Have been a crossdresser for a great many years!

[Barbara Jo]

Thanks for the reply
I'm only 64 (forced early retirement) and doing OK financially.
I have come to the conclusion that I have nothing to loose but everthing to gain at this point in my life. I just want to be happy.

BTW, the pic in my avitar is fairly old and I have changed much since then. I have since gained a bit of weight (quit smoking) and my hips and breasts filled out a bit due to naturally low "t" and low does HRT. I need to get a new avitar!

So what am I waiting for?
It's my life and I can tolerate a bit of laughter from strangers. I just need to be sensible about it.
I guess I aways knew it would come to this some day after I retired.
It's now or never! :)

[Ozark]

I am 62 and have no desire to pass as a woman but I enjoy wearing women's clothes. Especially elastic waist pants.

I like to dress androgenously and I know that is spelled correctly.

There used to be a web site about men who look like old lesbians. http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/

That would describe me!

[Rachel Morley]

I fully realize that some may laugh or make comments but I don't care and wiil completly ignore them. I just want to be myself! Besides, no one will make a "scene" in a crowded public place.
I quoted this part of your post as sometimes I too feel like this. Why can't I just wear the (girls) clothes I want to wear because I like how they make me feel .. i.e happy.

What's wrong with me just being different than other guys. Ok, I'm not "following the pack" and I'm wearing the clothes (without makeup) that is usually worn by women and girls, why is it "wrong" for me to do that? I get where you're coming from. I just want to wear what I consider to be pretty clothes that make me happy, but not have anyone judge me or give a hard time for doing something that harms no one. :2c:

[noeleena]

Hi,

Barbara.

I do it all the time tho im a bit different its not a issue or has any problems because i hardly wear any make up.just lippy & eye browliner becuse of burning my face years ago. im allso 64,

Tho im well known & have joined many groups im accepted for who i am , i have masculin facial features so dont really pass as many women would look tho thats not a issue ether, Im I S if that helps. tho i am a woman just different thats all.

One of the details is in accepting who you are , we can.t help how we are born & or how we look other than sugery & at our age its not worth it, not for my self its not.

I would get known join some groups & go from there, as iv said else were im in world wide groups & have a neat time with people . all part of being who you are & gaining acceptance from others,

I do know one or two who dont wear make up & do wear womens clothes & they dont try to be women because they are male, just like the clothes.

The other thing is & this is me i get looked at because i dont blend in & dont try to. i do wear clothes that are a bit different not all the time tho.
& in my pic youll see i wear my head wear. scarves & i am wearing then as a turbin style now as well as what you see in my avatar.

& i get nice comments .part of being different.


...noeleena...

[calebsmithxd]

I think you are all inspirational. You are all capturing something that I feel. More power to you!

[CassieV]

Barbara, this is actually my preferred scenario! I have never gone out presenting 100% female. I either wear rather ambiguous tops and pants, or I go out at night in things that are a bit more overt (for example I went out in a skirt and blouse just last night with no other preparation). This is just how I feel most comfortable with myself. If it's what you want, do it, and who cares? People in a mall you'll never see again? :)

[Barbara Ella]

Barbara, I am 65, retired, and new to this, and learning much in recent days. I have found out that if you can, and want to, you should.

I am trying to develop my new life along these lines now also.

Enjoy, Babes

[Barbara Jo]

In my case, before I retired, I worked in blue collar macho environment and I had to be careful that nobody there found out. I never knew when I might run into on of them, even out of town.
However, now, that is no longer an issue and the ony people I'm now concerned about are my neighbors.

I may go to the mall monday.
Wish me luck!:)

[marlacd]

A friend of mine does it, and doesn't worry about what others think. I say go for it.
You couldn't look worse than the women I see wearing PJ bottoms, house slippers, and are about 100lbs overweight, out shopping!

[Barbara Jo]

^ ^ ^
Good point! :D

[lady di]

i dress in girl pants & tops with a small amount makeup jeweler panies & nailes done it keep them guessing & me happy...................................di

[Raychel]

You couldn't look worse than the women I see wearing PJ bottoms, house slippers, and are about 100lbs overweight, out shopping!

Or the 300lbs blob in spandex pant with stretch top that doesn't even cover her belly.

Very good point, We would certainly look better then them.

[Tina B.]

I just want to wear what I consider to be pretty clothes that make me happy, but not have anyone judge me or give a hard time for doing something that harms no one. :2c:

Sorry Rachel, maybe in a prefect world, but in this one, people judge you, no matter who you are, no matter what you do, people judge you, it's just what humans do!
Tina B.

[Mollyanne]

Hi BJ, I too am retired and 64(ugly age)!!!!! I haven't gone out yet except at night( yeah I'm chicken) and the wife kinda' knows but doesn't acknowledge my feminine "other self". I have wanted to do that very same thing but have always found a "reasonable excuse" not to. The thing here is you have nothing to fear and everything to gain from the experience. If we lived closer, I would wholeheartedly suggest we do this together. There is safety in numbers!!!!!

Molly

[Robynts]

Barbara, I am still a kid but I too have the same eyesight issue. I recently discovered wall mounted swivel arm magnifying makeup mirrors. The one I bought is a 10x magnification and it is amazing. I can actually see my face, eyes and even individual eyebrows when I do my makeup or thin my brows. No more doing makeup by sense of feel or with a 3 inch paint brush!

Robyn

[HollyCD]

I have done this since I was around 19 (now 40+). Wife doesn't know about CDing so about once or twice a year I go to a city an hour or so away and go to small non-mainstream stores. Don't have time or place for makeup, nails, wig so go in full male mode. I love ladies active wear and usually wear cotton or spandex leggings with a waist length shirt or light jacket and tennis shoes. When feeling brave my favorite is tan/neutral colored dance/exercise tights with black spandex exercise short-shorts and waist length shirt. I am slim and fit (5'6" @ 140lbs) so the clothes "work" as exercise wear. I hope to go "Christmas shopping" soon and plan to go to a shoe store like this to buy new tennis shoes and some classic Mary Jane style pumps with ankle strap and around 2" "wide" heel or maybe ankle boots. A lot of times when buying new shoes you can walk out wearing what you purchase. Hope to do this with the pumps, at least back to the car. May put on some black leggings and do more shopping in the pumps. Also like to go to parks in faraway cities to walk the trails. Have thought about buying wig to help conceal my identity a little, may help from being caught in case of a chance encounter with someone I know.

[StevieTV]

I believe there was a thread that mentioned blending in. That's my usual desire when out in public. For instance, I was shopping yesterday entirely in womens clothes without wig and make up. I wore skinny jeans, low heel boots, cashmere turtleneck top along with a thigh length leather car coat (and of course underdressed as well). I shopped for more clothes, groceries as well went to a craft fair. At the craft fair I chatted with vendors and had no wierd glances or comments. In fact, the only time I thought I was being scrutinized was from a teenage girl, roughly my height and size. I smiled as I'm sure she was thinking how to copy my look.

[Barbara Jo]

Well, tomorrow is the day! I'm excited about it! :)

[sissystephanie]

I hope you do go out to a Mall on Monday! I know you will enjoy getting out like that!! And you will learn that while people may look at you "twice", they really don't care. At least not where I live in Georgia! BTW, there is a little town 45 miles southeast of Buffalo, N.Y. that is my ancestral homestead! It was founded in 1808 by my great great grandfather!!

[LIKETODRESS2]

GO out in gilrs jeans now and then if i go in a dress or a skirt it to a drag party .

[Asche]

Maybe this will be considered beside the point, but ...

I know quite a few women (GF) who seldom or never wear makeup. I also know a few women (GFs) who have hair that would be considered short on a man. As far as I can tell, nobody gives them a second glance, or at least no more than they would any woman.

So why would anyone consider it a faux pas to go out en femme without makeup or a wig? Or is this against some rule of CDing that I wasn't aware of? (Of course, "that I wasn't aware of" isn't saying much -- I'm probably one of the least hep-to-CDing-rules of anyone here.)

Granted, I know women who would sooner go to the mall naked from the neck down than be seen in public without makeup, but can't you just pretend you're not from that subculture?

[dizzy]

Just do it, I went out to the Post Office and to Kmart today wearing yoga pants and an obviously womens shirt, it had all the glitter on it, breast forms and just a light coat of foundation and mascara, couple rings,a neck lace and my finger nails were painted purple with sparkles, nobody paid any attention to me as far as I could tell. I was dressed mostly like in my picture I have posted in the pictures section.

[CassieV]

Dizzy, that sounds fantastic. That's what I'm aiming for myself.

[kimdl93]

I used to tread what I considered a borderline, wearing slides with 2" heels, a woman's top and jeans...even a bit of make up. I know that some folks looked at me as being an effeminate or metrosexual, but maybe that' was an appropriate characterization, and frankly, it certainly didn't hurt anyone. Now, I'm more comfortable going full femme, but I can't bring myself to go without makeup. I just feel like I have to do something to soften my more masculine features when I go out.

I can understand the frustration with makeup, particularly when your vision is a problem.

[LeaP]

I say go for it. Consider the alternative: wearing makeup with no clothes! Perhaps either approach gives away the farm, but only one will get you arrested!

More seriously, you might just go for partial makeup, i.e., foundation, concealer, etc., but skip the eye makeup in favor of lightly-tinted glasses (femme, of course). It gets around the worst of the sight issues - applying eye makeup.

Lea

[CassieV]

....the more I read that post, the more it appeals to me. Boy mode with light makeup...! I think I will have to try that!

[Dawn cd]

I think what you're describing is a good option, Barbara. Please let us know how it went.

If I were doing it, I would wear a wide-brimmed hat (esp in summertime) or a smaller brimmed in winter, plus shades. There are moisturizers out there with a little tint that would help to hide your beard. I use Aveeno tinted moisturizer. Try that, plus powder, plus lipstick. No elaborate makeup needed.

[Barbara Jo]

I did it!:D
I got dressed early and got to the mall about noon time I decided to lightly apply some pan stick with a little blush and that was it. I also decided to wear my white female pointed toe canvas flats. They are shoes of like deck shoes. Anyway, they're definately more feminie than the shoes I was going to wear.

Also, the blouse I wore is a bit sheer with an embriodered, floral design on it and the end result was, you could more or less see my bra underneath it.
Adding my light pink baseball cap (NY of course), the overall look was casual but, still quite feminine. I felt quite feminine dressed like that in public . :battingeyelashes:


I actually felt fairly comfortable on the road partially due to the fact that I had no heavey makeup on. In an emergency on the road, I just had to slip on my jeans and jacket over the female clothers. A paper towel would have quickly erased the light makeup.

I really got no bad reactions, and mostly no one payed any attetion to me. However, I did get a few smiles and knowing looks from a few older women and even from one younger girl. I advoided group of males of ciourse.

An enjoyable experience overall. :)

[Rachel Morley]

Wow ... wearing a blouse that shows (more or less) your bra is going for it :) Having said that, I've done similar but my top wasn't "a bit sheer" it was the fitted-ness that showed of the outline of my bra. Anyway, congratulations on being able to do it and having a good time whilest doing it!

[linda allen]

Sorry Rachel, maybe in a prefect world, but in this one, people judge you, no matter who you are, no matter what you do, people judge you, it's just what humans do!
Tina B.
That's very true.
You can do whatever you want (as long as its legal) but people will judge you. Now it's up to you if you care what they think or not. Most of us do, even if we won't admit it.

As for me (and you can judge me if you wish), I will go out as a male or female, but not part one and part another. If I'm wearing boobs, I'll be wearing female clothing, hip padding, a wig, at least minimal makeup, and will have shaved as close as possible. I'm not a "shove it in your face" type of person.

I don't get to go out as a female very often though.

[linda allen]

Maybe this will be considered beside the point, but ...

I know quite a few women (GF) who seldom or never wear makeup. I also know a few women (GFs) who have hair that would be considered short on a man. As far as I can tell, nobody gives them a second glance, or at least no more than they would any woman.

So why would anyone consider it a faux pas to go out en femme without makeup or a wig? Or is this against some rule of CDing that I wasn't aware of? (Of course, "that I wasn't aware of" isn't saying much -- I'm probably one of the least hep-to-CDing-rules of anyone here.)

Granted, I know women who would sooner go to the mall naked from the neck down than be seen in public without makeup, but can't you just pretend you're not from that subculture?
Lots of the women I know (including my wife) only wear makeup for special events. The difference though, is that they are genuine females and look like females without makeup. Most of us need the makeup to hide beards and to create the illusion that we are females. So far, I've only used lipstick and foundation and worn sunglasses. Next time, I plan to do the eyes but also wear glasses. I need them anyway.

[Barbara Jo]

Wow ... wearing a blouse that shows (more or less) your bra is going for it :) Having said that, I've done similar but my top wasn't "a bit sheer" it was the fitted-ness that showed of the outline of my bra. Anyway, congratulations on being able to do it and having a good time whilest doing it!

Yeah, I figured that if I was going to do it, I might as well go for broke.
It left nothing to the imaginatiion that I was wearing a bra and therefore panties and I wanted people to know it, even if they realized that I was not a female.
To be honest, that was part of the thrill for me.

[dizzy]

Congratulations on the outing.

One thing that is to your advantage at least this time of the year, I think at least, most everyone that is out is so focused on shopping becasue of Christmas and it will get worse or better the closer Christmas gets, then to worry about what is going on around them.

[Launa]

I'm going to test the water soon, I look totaly male. I am going to go to get my hair done and I am going to wear male jeans and coat with a real fluffy, ruffly, flowerly looking top with some sort of necklace. I will see what they say when I get to the salon! I'm going to try it in the morning and during the week. Can't wait.

[Brenn]

I've posted this before in similar threads, but I mix women's clothes with my male presentation all the time, including nylons, shorts and mary-janes or ballet flats. I also wear Keds quite often. No one seems to care and my wife goes along with it as well. I have not tried to "pass" in over 10 years.

[Dawn cd]

Congratulations, BJ. We all share your joy.

[Ashley_Marie]

I don't wear makeup myself, a lot of times I don't even have a wig on. I actually hate putting on makeup, and I actually used to have to do it when I was acting in a local community theater.

I nowadays wear my femme clothes, I haven't bought any male clothes in some time, 24/7. Been doing that for the last 6 months. I do tend to wear a jacket though to hide the fact I have my forms in. But no one seems to notice as I walk past. And even if they do notice they don't say anything, especially if they happen to catch a peek beneath my jacket.

Most folks don't generally care.

[Cassie Weber]

Congrats on the positive outing. I used to live in Upstate NY and know that the people there aren't always the most progressive.