transitioning with out hormones

[Niya W]

Is wondering has any one her transitioned with out hormones ? It's just one of those things I was thinking about since I met a TS that had breast cancer in her 30's and transtioned in her 40's. Hormones was out for her.

[Julia_in_Pa]

Wow,

I would think for most that would attempt something like that FFS and breast augmentation would have to be a must do.

Many in the porn industry have surgery without using hormones.

They obviously need their equipment working for what their doing.

After 11 years of use I have not had any issues related to hormone therapy.

Does breast cancer happen within the trans population? Yes but the percentages are extremely small.

There are people who are unable to undergo hormone therapy for one reason or another.

If your going to transition it is my opinion that HRT is mandatory for success within the framework of the majority of the trans population.


Julia

[Aprilrain]

I'd be one pissed off chick !

[Niya W]

I had no Idea she was trans till some told me. I mean other than being tall you would have no clue. She also is in her 60's

[Katesback]

Sounds like a waste of time.

[Niya W]

What if you can't take hormones you should give up ?

[danielleb]

What if you can't take hormones you should give up ?
I've often heard it referred to as purgatory. ;)

This is pretty much where I'm at. Admittedly I'm living in an unsustainable bubble, but the alternative is death, so what are my other options?! :(


I'd be one pissed off chick !
I AM!:Angry3: (Of course I always have been anyways :) )

[Amber99]

I wouldn't transition without hormones. Without hormones you can't get surgery because you would lack a sex hormone entirely and that's supposed to be really bad for bone health.

[SandraAbsent]

Transitioning without hormones...Well lets put my situation simple. I am 39 years old. Starting at the age of 34 followed by 4 years of being in and out of the hospital, I have experienced 3 heart attacks, triple bypass surgery, and a pulmonary embolism. I don't even bother at this point worrying about hormones, because I feel I would be taking my life into my own hands by taking them and I am sure my doctors would agree. So...with a lot of pain and suffering over it, I decided that I need to go full time anyways and am taking steps to make that happen. I simply cant live my life anymore pretending to be something that I am not.

Will this be successful for me? I don't know.

Are there other things I can do to aid in my presentation? Absolutely! As time goes on I will have augmentations done, possibly FFS, and anything else that will not put my heart at risk.

So yes it can be done, you can transition without hormones. Its just that much harder I think.

xoxox
Sandra.

[noeleena]

Hi,

Yes you can have surgery with out hormones one who is I S can , some trans can & have , its not the end of the world with out hormones ,
Theres ways around things just have to do things differently thats all. some dont have the corrrect hormones to start with at birth or soon after, some have both sets, & there are other supliments that can be taken .

For my self if there comes a time i cant take what im on ill change & will . & have changed as well. till then i dont need much its about knowing what your body needs & you can work with, at age 64,

what most use are synthic druges meds because as said cancer, organic can be taken with out the same fear of cancer recuring tho there is more to that so would need more tests in her case, & some food changes as well.

I was thinking if i went off my very low dose rate what would happen i would lose breast growth maintance tho not all 40 % no dought,& over 6 to 9 months , bone structure would be down a bit, tho can be compensated for. body strenght would be about the same as i did not lose more than 8 % after going on meds, age & my work did more, than meds,
worth looking at i think.

...noeleena...

[Aprilrain]

I wouldn't transition without hormones. Without hormones you can't get surgery because you would lack a sex hormone entirely and that's supposed to be really bad for bone health.

This depends on your definition of "transitioned".
There are many people who for whatever reason do not get bottom surgery but who otherwise live full time.
I would say that the commitment to live full time could be transitioned enough for some.

[Aprilrain]

Hi, what most use are synthic druges meds because as said cancer, organic can be taken with out the same fear of cancer recuring tho there is more to that so would need more tests in her case, & some food changes as ...
I googled "organic" hormones and all I came up with were the usuall botanicals often marketed to woman for menopause and or "improved" female sexual response. I was wondering if you could clarify what you mean by "organic" hormones.

I think a lot of people suffer under the misconception that synthetic steroidal hormones are different from a GGs naturally occurring hormones. Synthetic estrogens are chemically identical to the hormones GGs ovaries make. the human body can't tell the difference! Steroids being what they are do carry risks.
The botanicals that CDers often talk about and take are chemically similar but differ somewhat in their chemical structure which is why for the purpose of transitioning from male to female these substances are basically useless, well that and without an anti androgen one will not get very far.

[Koka]

I thought about it for a long time and I still think about it, but the reality is that if one wants to feminize the body naturally, one must take estrogen. The risks can be controlled by routine check ups with a doctor, preferably an endocrinologist. Everybody is different and therefore the reactions and risks are different. For instance today, my breasts are hurting like crazy and It is a sign of growing but I am also having a mild headache which could be related to that. Who knows.

BUT

It can be possible, one can transition with out hormones but it will take more effort in terms of looking feminine. With time testosterone will continue its job of masculinizing (<-does this word exist at all?)the body but I think that with a good diet regime, exercise, high quality wigs, laser/electrolysis work and high quality make up, one can be very passable as well as proper voice and mannerism training.

[noeleena]

Hi,
Natural-hormones.net

www.hormonsolutions.com.au

SupplementSpot.com

Dr John Lee did tests on some many 100s of women & he wrote a book as well on his findings if you can find a copy have a read , there may be others as well.

Estrone Deficiency ,

Is the general term used to discribe the female sex hormones ( estradiol estrone & estriol collectively ,Estrogen plays a central role in nourishing & protecting the body exerting influence over & among other things Cholesterol levels & osteal cardiac , dermal ,& nerual health plus production & secretion of other important hormones,

Synthic can help tho if you check out for how long you will see the bodys recepters can be fooled for a while ,

long term is a different matter. in fact the body will shut them down & then other problems arise,

When you understand while working with some one for 37 years & the effects .....some ..... meds have had & the adverse side effects youll understand what happens to the body after a while, some will work for 2 -3 years some longer some 6 monthes is the limit then you have to stop or cancer & other isues start.

The H R T are / were for women not men male bodys tho they seem to work quite well ,

yes i know of cases cancer did come about tho it may have been there to start with & with the meds just moved very quickly to grow , suisde in this case.
& some i know have had to come off them because of major health concerns.

Allso some meds work tho not for every one in the same way. i know some dont work in my case.

Yes if you mean , i'll just say ....some.... herbels dont work. im not talking about those , this is just about those i have given you the info on .

Synthic = normal womens hormones are not the same they are made to mimic not replace, tho if they did then there would be ...no .... side effects at all.... synthic are pure cemical not natrual.

as to anti blockers they did very little for my self & really i wasted my time takeing them & they would not have worked any way. because with in the time i did take them it was a matter of under 3 years i had no need to because of surgery.

So E was of more benefit , i had age on my side at the time age 56. & being I S, so different factors come in to it for my self.

Any way have a look at the info . most of my info is about women because thats where i have had to work within that side of the issues,
As to men i have not had a lot of info because there is no real data to look at. there may be some out there , just i.v not seen that, Oh , different types of meds can be better than others , its just too many to know all thier make ups & then type dose rate & the person concerned . to many factors involved,

Koka . i for got to say . im a masculine looking male / woman facial wise so did hormones really do much for this kid. i dont think so. tho some of my friends have said i do look quite female looking , . its mirror , mirror on the wall whos the ..........you know the saying. well it sure is not me. over 7 years on meds .
It comes down to what you see is what you get, like my avatar,

...noeleena...

[Beth-Lock]

I'm trying it. ---------------------------------

[Traci Elizabeth]

Well truth be told, most of us started transition BEFORE HRT. But in the vast majority of us, HRT was not far behind.

[Niya W]

What hormones did for me was to grow boobs. My skin was already soft. Always had a great completion. It all really depends on were you start.

[Koka]

My understandig is that if we want natural hormones, then we can only get them from our bodies, neither plants or synthetics are considered natural. We are not plants, we are humans, and very complex in biological structure.

Estrogen made in lab is derived from plants nowadays and labs in order to be able to patent their brand they need to change their molecular structure a bit. So 99.99 % of lab hormones I dare to say could be natural.( from plants). Correct me if I am wrong.

[Niya W]

Not all estrogen comes from plants. Look how Primerin is made. Not all estrogens are the same.