Transexual Orgasm - Limbic System Reaction

[Koka]

Excerpt from Wikipedia:

“Experienced by males and females, orgasm is controlled by the involuntary, or autonomic, limbic system, and is accompanied by quick cycles of muscle contraction in the lower pelvic muscles, which surround the primary sexual organs and the anus.Orgasms are often associated with other involuntary actions, including muscular spasms in multiple areas of the body, a general euphoric sensation and, frequently, body movements and vocalizations are expressed. The period after orgasm (known as a refractory period) is often a relaxing experience, attributed to the release of the neurohormones oxytocin and prolactin.”

Dear Friends,

What I want to investigate is the reaction of the limbic system in transsexuals, specifically; those under hormone replacement therapy. My understanding is that after certain period of time in HRT, the male genitalia suffer a sort of transformation (i.e. testis reduction, possible penis shrinkage and/or flaccid response, less sperm, etc). How is the orgasm obtained then without the action or stimulation of the penis? Is it possible to orgasm without an erection? - My therapist mentioned that orgasms could become different once on HRT, and can actually be more female in nature, involving the entire body and not revolved around any male stimuli. As the body becomes more feminine, the mind develops a more feminine approach to sex, inviting for more romanticism, caressing and not much on pornography or the like, generally used by the male population driven by their testosterone.

How do you orgasm now that you are on HRT? This question is for those who have not had SRS yet and therefore they still carry the male genitalia.

Your input as always, is highly appreciated.:)

[Anna Lorree]

I have wondered about this as well. I will be interested in following this thread.

Anna

[Frances]

I never stopped being able to orgasm the normal way before SRS. (Electricity works fine on the other side too.)

[Jean Marie]

I have been on female hormone therapy for a year, basically my former male sexual function is totally gone [ does not happen to all TGs] a lot of shrinkage to boy parts, tecticles are receding, but no problem attaining orgasm but my climax is dry, nothing comes out even thought it feels like that is happening. I have not yet attained the abilioty to have an internmal orgasm similar to a woman. But unlike a guy I am no longer consumed with sex, it is so peqaceful. You should avoid hormone therapy if you are unwilling to permantly lose your male function.

[Dana7]

I have wondered about this as well. I will be interested in following this thread.

Anna

Agreed. I have often wondered about this. I'll be following it as well.

[ReneeT]

After 11 months of hrt ( spiro, estradiol, progesterone) and with extremely low T levels and supra-normal E levels (for a premenopausal female), i have very significant penile and testicular shrinkage. Erections are rare, and surprise me when they happen. I have had intecourse, though, and it was mutually satisfying. Orgasm for me was less intense, though. Viagra helped. Why Viagra? Well, my wife still has needs, and i will attempt to satisfy her as long as the parts are there.

[Koka]

So far, as per the replies, I see there is still the presence of climax. Interesting. There is no doubt we are sexual beings and the body will adapt. I would like to see other responses.

Renee, thank you for sharing, BTW You look amazing!!!

[Koka]

I have been on female hormone therapy for a year, basically my former male sexual function is totally gone [ does not happen to all TGs] a lot of shrinkage to boy parts, tecticles are receding, but no problem attaining orgasm but my climax is dry, nothing comes out even thought it feels like that is happening. I have not yet attained the abilioty to have an internmal orgasm similar to a woman. But unlike a guy I am no longer consumed with sex, it is so peqaceful. You should avoid hormone therapy if you are unwilling to permantly lose your male function.

Jean Marie,

Thank you for sharing. Does your climax feel more female? Does it feel different after 1 year on HRT? Just curious?

[CharleneT]

While pre-op, and on HRT, I had no trouble having orgasms**. Their nature did change, and pretty quickly. The how and why and when all changed, but it was still possible. Spontaneous erections disappeared very quickly. "It" was definitely not a male orgasm, and it was a lot of fun !! I am now 3 months post-op and the electricity is still a little weak. But there is still some swelling around my clitoris and I am patient in waiting for my brain to recognize and use the new signals ;)


** my regime was pretty std, including estrogen, anti-androgens and DHT blockers. My T levels were in the basement within 30 days of staring HRT.

[Frances]

I am now 3 months post-op and the electricity is still a little weak. But there is still some swelling around my clitoris and I am patient in waiting for my brain to recognize and use the new signals ;)

It took eight months for me to get there.

[Bree-asaurus]

I've been on hormones for a year and a half. My balls shrunk and i don't get spontaneous erections anymore. I still get erect when turned on by my boyfriend, but it feels different... it kind of hurts. It's like it's swelling up when it SHOULDN'T be swelling up.

I do still orgasm occasionally and the usual techniques still work. But the feeling is way different. Before HRT, most of the sensation was at the tip of the penis when I orgasmed. The sensation there is now slightly diminished, and I think this is due to the lack of ejaculation. Before HRT, I had to take some muscle relaxers which caused me to not ejaculate properly and the feeling of a reduced orgasm was about the same feeling I get now.

Now the awesome part is when I do orgasm, I get this huge rush of sensation over my entire body, that can last between 2-15 minutes (the latter is rare). I just feel awesome all over and my muscles twitch a lot. My only guess is this might be what it feels like to shoot heroin :P

Another cool thing is that this awesome body sensation doesn't require an orgasm to achieve. I get this a lot simply from my boyfriend dedicating his attention to my nipples.

I rarely (more like never sans two times) orgasm with my boyfriend (I never really orgasmed with a partner before either), but the whole endorphine rush or whatever it is that makes me feel so good all over is a suitable replacement ;)

[Katesback]

To get me to the point of no return I need a belt sander, jack hammer, and a cat. Opps that was a nightmare. Nevermind.

[stacie]

I have been on female hormone therapy for a year, basically my former male sexual function is totally gone [ does not happen to all TGs] a lot of shrinkage to boy parts, tecticles are receding, but no problem attaining orgasm but my climax is dry, nothing comes out even thought it feels like that is happening. I have not yet attained the abilioty to have an internmal orgasm similar to a woman. But unlike a guy I am no longer consumed with sex, it is so peqaceful. You should avoid hormone therapy if you are unwilling to permantly lose your male function.

He we go with this person making up things again. Read his past post and you will see the lies about their age, being on HRT and asking about how to take birth control pills.

[Aprilrain]

9 months on HRT. pretty much what everybody else said, I can achieve an orgasm through masturbation but sex its self seems to have to many distractions. my orgasms have changed indeed the whole sexual experience has changed there is a much stronger emotional component to it.

[Traci Elizabeth]

What a question! I have been on HRT for just over two years now.

My testes have shrunk down to the size of Lima beans and have totally withdrawn up inside of me never to return.

My over sized clitoris as I call it now is much smaller than it was before. I used to consider myself well endowed b4 HRT but now small is ever an overstatement.

I could not get an erection if my life depended on it...no way, no how. And NOTHING exits it except urine.

My organism are totally different. Nothing whatsoever like in the past. I just have to stimulate the general area either physically or mechanically and have orgasms over and over again and again thrusting my lower body up in the air and ever muscle tightening in short spurts. Again nothing exits me (thank goodness) and I just keep having orgasms until I can't take them anymore especially using a vibrator.

What I feel now is so different but so much better than I ever felt before. For those of you who have not gotten here yet...just wait. Life's Good!

[Frances]

I never stopped being able to orgasm the normal way before SRS. (Electricity works fine on the other side too.)

Since other people have mixed the two, I would like to add that I was talking about orgasms and not ejaculation. Pretty much nothing was coming out at the end.

[StaceyJane]

I've been on HRT for 10 months now. Now I haven't had sex in a couple of years and I really don't have any urge to have sex.
As far as the do it yourself method I don't have the urge for that much either.
I'm really glad to not be controled by testosterone.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

This is something that I think gets lost in the telling a bit..its personal and we all feel sexual in different ways..pre transition, orgasm was only a relief of tension..i didn't understand it at the time...erection, bam, guilt and shame...over and over...so maybe my feelings are colored by that because now its just a very nice natural thing...

on HRT my libido was not decreased much, i had painful orgasms though , and some painful non orgasms too...the feeling of erection literally hurt..plus i still had the whole guilt shame thing going on..

Post srs, it HIGHLY depends on the surgeon, and the luck of the draw..but for me..

The pleasurable feeling is spread over a larger area, just touching my skin above my sex is very pleasing..
the ability to orgasm feels very similar, but to be honest, i can't remember how it felt before..it just feels the way it does now...it is very easy to self stimulate, but it does take time to find your spot, and it does take time for surgery to heal
its also easy to self stimulate and have a partner..since the area that is "touchy" is above your sex, its very stimulated during sex..

orders of magnitude it feels the same as best i can remember..

if i had any disappointment its that it doesnt feel like some kind of magical thing with multiple orgasmic waves....is it now a female orgasm?? how the heck should i know!!!! frankly, it feels kind of similar.
if i had a good surprise its how easily it happens, and that touching around the breasts is unexpectedly pleasurable..

if you are considering srs, you should expect a good ability to feel sexual response..you should ask your surgeon about their approach to it...and you should talk directly to recent patients..

[arbon]

I have not tried to.

A few months before starting HRT in Aug 2010 the physical intimacy between me and my wife ended and within a few weeks of HRT it seemed pretty much dead down there which I found to be a relief. I long for physical intimacy but don't think I could use it even it could still work.

[Ashley Lynn Swift]

I've been on HRT for 2 1/2 years. The first two years I really didn't notice much change other then the orgasims become more intense and long lasting atleast on the sensual level. But the last six months have definitely seen the the last of my ability to get that thing hard at all. And my testicals have not only shrunk but they have started to raise up into my body for some reason I really don't understand. But I'm not complaining as it makes it easier to wear swimsuits in public. And just about any tight pair of jeans or shorts I may wear. With out having to worry about whats down there outting me as a transsexual. And I lost the ability to make babies after three months. I know cause my girlfriend at the time wanted a baby that was ours. But by that time I had lost the potency to make that happen.

[Alyla]

Koka,

I am not undergoing any HRT, but I have experienced an orgasm while flacid and there was a discharge, a flowing out type feeling, that appeared to more body oriented than phallic and convulsive. May I explain at the risk of being scolded. Whether clothed or not, in a tucked situation, I can stimulate the perinium area with the corona (flacid) to a point where pleasureable fondling encompasses me and a slow and intense release occurs. Could I be so bold as to say it is of a fvemale nature. NO. But is an experience I have had many times. If there are any questions, just ask, and if anyone else has experienced this, It would be good for me to know, so I don't think of myself as unusual.

peace and love, Alyla

[Melody Moore]

I also agree with most of the comments about how hormones have changed everything.
No more ejaculation during orgasm, and the emotional component to my sexuality has only
got a lot stronger and definitely a lot more female in how I am stimulated and aroused.

[Niya W]

I'm a freak 3 years of hormones and my testicles barely shrunk. No spontaneous erections but I can get an erection. Last t\ime I was checked my T was >20ng per μL.

[Bree-asaurus]

I'm a freak 3 years of hormones and my testicles barely shrunk. No spontaneous erections but I can get an erection. Last t\ime I was checked my T was >20ng per μL.

Don't fret... no matter how much they shrink, it's never enough. The fact that they're still there is the killer... :(

[Niya W]

Well now they seem to be pissed off at me.

Revenge of the testis. They seem to be mad at me . Must think I plan to lay them off soon. So they plan to make as much havoc as possible. Twisting and turning them selfs when ever they can.

[ReneeT]

Well, i had better update my experience. While i was able to reach orgasm a month ago, today was a no go. Erection was still possible with the help of vitamin V, but no climax for me. It was good for her, though, and that was important. Am i in the "blackout " period between my male orgasms and post-srs female orgasms?

[JoanAz]

Though i am "only a TV" I am 72 years old and don't get hard, hardly. But I have had my nipples pierced last year and the sensitivity is 100% better I can Achive orgasim multiple time by Nipple play only, it is not like typical orgasim but 5 or more in a row, whole body is involved. It's a wonderfull experience..not male like.
(((HUGGS)))

[Hope]

My experience... and I am sitting here giggling at the question because I remember wondering about it myself at one point... and it seemed so opaque and scary, but being on this side it seems so obvious.

I have been on HRT for about 7 months, maybe 8. Lowering the T, usually with Spiro, but there are other methods, made my masturbation habits go from once a day (occasionally more - when I was younger a lot more) to once a week, or once every 2-3 weeks. This happened almost over-night, and was COMPLETELY welcome. As my dosage has ramped up, the effect has ramped up as well.

I have definitely had testicular atrophy, though not everything I had hoped for. They are maybe 1/2 the size they once were, but they do tend to vary in size from time to time. I have had some distinct penile atrophy as well. It is starting to look almost like a pre-pubertal organ... though still not quite. There is a drastic reduction in ejaculate, there is still SOME... but it is about 1/10th as much ad the consistency is much different as well. All VERY welcome changes.

Erections... are a bit more complicated. I still have them, much to my chagrin, but they take longer to achieve and they are of a lower quality than previously. This is good stuff and there is a definite trend towards ED, but it is not there yet. Previously, I had 0 ED issues - to be honest, my problems tended to go the other way. ... Here is the fun part: erections are painful. My endo assures me that this is normal, and won't go away until I have attained ED... but... damn is it a buzz kill. Both due to the pain issue, and a non-scientific experience / belief that the less often I get erections, and the less "complete" an erection I DO get, the sooner I will get to happy permanent ED-land. A girl can hope. Which makes orgasm complicated as there is an odd feed-back loop created. The more I get aroused, and the closer I get to orgasm, the more my penis hurts... and naturally the less aroused I become as a result... and around and around and around I can go. Yippie.

Orgasm does however happen... and it happens in more or less the same way it always has... it is still very genitally focused... as I think you will hear is the case for most women.

The biggest change has been the loss of T - without the need for immediate and nearly constant gratification that comes along with the bloody T, I am much more free to explore and be involved in a sexual relationship with my partner, that is much more emotional and romantic... rather than... well... like a guy.

[Koka]

I would like to know what ED stands for. It is very interesting to see the different posts and experiences told by our friends here. No matter what, the body is a sexual entity and it seems that one way or another it will find a way to express it's sexual need.



My experience... and I am sitting here giggling at the question because I remember wondering about it myself at one point... and it seemed so opaque and scary, but being on this side it seems so obvious.

I have been on HRT for about 7 months, maybe 8. Lowering the T, usually with Spiro, but there are other methods, made my masturbation habits go from once a day (occasionally more - when I was younger a lot more) to once a week, or once every 2-3 weeks. This happened almost over-night, and was COMPLETELY welcome. As my dosage has ramped up, the effect has ramped up as well.

I have definitely had testicular atrophy, though not everything I had hoped for. They are maybe 1/2 the size they once were, but they do tend to vary in size from time to time. I have had some distinct penile atrophy as well. It is starting to look almost like a pre-pubertal organ... though still not quite. There is a drastic reduction in ejaculate, there is still SOME... but it is about 1/10th as much ad the consistency is much different as well. All VERY welcome changes.

Erections... are a bit more complicated. I still have them, much to my chagrin, but they take longer to achieve and they are of a lower quality than previously. This is good stuff and there is a definite trend towards ED, but it is not there yet. Previously, I had 0 ED issues - to be honest, my problems tended to go the other way. ... Here is the fun part: erections are painful. My endo assures me that this is normal, and won't go away until I have attained ED... but... damn is it a buzz kill. Both due to the pain issue, and a non-scientific experience / belief that the less often I get erections, and the less "complete" an erection I DO get, the sooner I will get to happy permanent ED-land. A girl can hope. Which makes orgasm complicated as there is an odd feed-back loop created. The more I get aroused, and the closer I get to orgasm, the more my penis hurts... and naturally the less aroused I become as a result... and around and around and around I can go. Yippie.

Orgasm does however happen... and it happens in more or less the same way it always has... it is still very genitally focused... as I think you will hear is the case for most women.

The biggest change has been the loss of T - without the need for immediate and nearly constant gratification that comes along with the bloody T, I am much more free to explore and be involved in a sexual relationship with my partner, that is much more emotional and romantic... rather than... well... like a guy.

[Melody Moore]

I would like to know what ED stands for.
Erectile Dysfunction

[Andrea85]

5 years on HRT and orgasms are OMG amazing now. Nothing like before. But that may have been because of who I was with when I experienced them. Oh well, that's the past now.

[Niya W]

Well I've never been able to achieve an orgasm with my penis . Now touch me the right way and I'll scream. even before hormones I would never ***. THat has pissed few GG's off. I've always been the touchy feely type .