ever been kissed by a man ?

[septifani]

:daydreaming: first of all happy new year girls :)
well,i'm not really sure if thus has been posted by other girls in this forum but just out of my curiosity,how many of you cd's who have ever been kissed by a man or by a male friend :)?
for me,i always have the fantasy to be a pretty lady in a black dress,black bra,black hose :)have a candle light dinner with a man,a gentlemen of course :daydreaming: and being treated as a lady.finally,when it's time to go home a long goodnight kiss from my man will close the date :)well,i haven't done it yet.have you done it girls :heehee:?

[Foxglove]

No, but I have had attention of other sorts from a few guys, and I didn't like it at all. If I were ever to enjoy attention from a guy, he'd have to go about it a lot different than those guys did.

[Julia_in_Pa]

I've been in a relationship with two of them and slept with a few more.

They all suck.


Julia

[septifani]

I've been in a relationship with two of them and slept with a few more.

They all suck.


Julia
hiii there Julia :)
how come they all suck?what did they do anyway?they're not romantic or what :)?

[Barbara Dugan]

Yes I've been kissed by a few guys...some are better kisser than others

[Julia_in_Pa]

Hi Septifani,

The men no matter how badly you wish for them to be like men who have a relationship with GG's are nothing more than users.
I learned early on to use them for sex and take whatever else I could get from them.

In the end the men that are interested in a trans woman are looking for nothing more than sex.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this but I'm not self abasing enough to find that 0.000001 out of the male population that represents an exception to the rule.

Don't get me wrong the sex was decent I just couldn't deal with the lack of emotional connection or support that I needed.

My advice is use and leave you'll be light years ahead for it.


Julia

[suzy1]

I've been in a relationship with two of them and slept with a few more.

They all suck.


Julia

There’s a good [and naughty] joke there but I will let someone else crack it!

[Julia_in_Pa]

I was waiting for that Suzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!

[Barbra P]

There’s a good [and naughty] joke there but I will let someone else crack it!

I was thinking along the same line but I decided not to go there.

[septifani]

Yes I've been kissed by a few guys...some are better kisser than others

hiii there Barbara :)
how were the kisses?i mean how did they feel?hehe i'm really curious how it feels,barbara


Hi Septifani,

The men no matter how badly you wish for them to be like men who have a relationship with GG's are nothing more than users.
I learned early on to use them for sex and take whatever else I could get from them.

In the end the men that are interested in a trans woman are looking for nothing more than sex.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this but I'm not self abasing enough to find that 0.000001 out of the male population that represents an exception to the rule.

Don't get me wrong the sex was decent I just couldn't deal with the lack of emotional connection or support that I needed.

My advice is use and leave you'll be light years ahead for it.


Julia

hiii Julia,yeah i would really agree with you. i believe that most men only want sex from cd's or tg's.i'm also really aware that they just wanna have sex,nothing more than that.only a few of them that really love us and have deeply feeling about us.don't you think so ? did the men just leave you like that after they had what they want(sex,of course ;p)?
i'm just curious about the kiss,the treat,the way they touch us,that's all :)thanks so much for the opinion,Julia :)

[JessicaM1985]

Yes, many times. My S.O. and I had a pretty steamy and passionate one last night as a way to ring in the new year. Sadly, he doesnt like that I crossdress, so I cant do it around him. Too bad because it would make those makeout sessions even hotter...... :(

[Barbara Dugan]

hiii there Barbara :)
how were the kisses?i mean how did they feel?hehe i'm really curious how it feels,barbara

It's hard to describe the feeling, but when both parts are into it the experience is mind blowing

[Gianna]

There’s a good [and naughty] joke there but I will let someone else crack it!

Ha ha! Why is that so funny!!!

Yeah, I've kissed a guy before, but since it was the first time, I didn't know how to react. What started out as a scary (to me) peck on the lips evolved into a slow, gentle makeout session that had my head spinning and me wondering for weeks why I liked it so much. I learned a lot from that first kiss, but most of all that it was perfectly natural and I would definitely do it again.

[septifani]

It's hard to describe the feeling, but when both parts are into it the experience is mind blowing

mind blowing? hehehe i'm sure it is :) just by looking your avatar photo,i'm sure boys will be totally crazy about you.you look very pretty,Barbara :)
i have seen most of your pics.and the boobs are awesome,i really rally really wish i had one just like yours.those girls are pretty,Barbara :)
how did you get it anyway?i envy you so much :)

[Julia_in_Pa]

Hi,

Yes the first man I had a relationship with did the age old line of " I need space" Within a week he had taken his belongings from my apartment while I was at work.

The second guy pretty much mirrored the first even though he promised otherwise.

Everyone, don't get me wrong sex with men is an incredible experience for the most part just don't expect anything further and you'll be fine.


Julia



hiii Julia,yeah i would really agree with you. i believe that most men only want sex from cd's or tg's.i'm also really aware that they just wanna have sex,nothing more than that.only a few of them that really love us and have deeply feeling about us.don't you think so ? did the men just leave you like that after they had what they want(sex,of course ;p)?
i'm just curious about the kiss,the treat,the way they touch us,that's all :)thanks so much for the opinion,Julia :)

[septifani]

Ha ha! Why is that so funny!!!

Yeah, I've kissed a guy before, but since it was the first time, I didn't know how to react. What started out as a scary (to me) peck on the lips evolved into a slow, gentle makeout session that had my head spinning and me wondering for weeks why I liked it so much. I learned a lot from that first kiss, but most of all that it was perfectly natural and I would definitely do it again.

Hiii there,Gianna...wow i think you had so much fun there :)so,did the kiss go along the way?hehe i mean,did you guys make out as a sleep together after that?

[joannemarie barker]

Yes I've kissed a man,yes it went much further,yes it was amazing and yes he let me down!

[Mrs Roads]

No - can't say I have. Though I CD and wish I was born 100% woman, I have no attraction to men whatsoever. Right now, I just need to find a girlfriend that would be understanding/accepting of my CD, then I'd be a giddy girl :)

[Carol A]

Yes why back when I was much younger at a Christmas party and a little feely feely also but nothing ever happen.

[jessica.M]

thought about it but never did it

[Crysten]

There’s a good [and naughty] joke there but I will let someone else crack it!

You all are conspiring to get me kicked off this forum. I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Proverbial pole that is. I think. :-\ And no, never been kissed by a guy.

[StarrOfDelite]

Hi,

Everyone, don't get me wrong sex with men is an incredible experience for the most part just don't expect anything further and you'll be fine.

Julia

I have had a moderate amount of experience with the genre, and agree almost totally with Julia.

I think, however, that her advice to "use and leave" can be misconstrued. In the past I've had sex with men with whom I continue to have friendly relationships. Some of these relationships are sexual and some not, but none are based on any illusions that there is a "We" in the now or the future. That might be considered "using" by some people, but since it's a "eyes wide open" quid pro quo I think it's a perfectly legitimate and normal thing.

I think that the kind of men who are interested in transgenders tend to not be emotionally secure themselves, and that really prevents them from opening up and engaging in enriching, comprehensive inter-personal relationships. So, my advice to the OP is this: Do not expect the guys you kiss to be Prince Charming, because they aren't, and they can't change you into a Fairy Princess with true love's kiss.

I'm sure there are atypical men out there, but it seems to me that the chances of a gay man finding an emotionally supportive and satisfying relationship with another gay man are significantly greater than a male-oriented TG's finding a similar relationship with a Man, irrespective of his sexual orientation. There are older threads on this point, btw.

I also want to point out that the comment "sex with men is an incredible experience for the most part" is very true, but that "for the most part" statistically means merely more than half the time. It ain't always and every, trust me. Besides which, to continue with the Prince Charming and Fairy Princess analogy, like most American men most of the Admirers tend to look more like Shrek than Charming, and some of them even smell like I would image the big green guy does.

Happy New Year to You All.

[KellyJameson]

If I ever meet a man who I think is not just interested in sex, is charming, gentle, gracious, considerate, wise, I will let him kiss me but only after a year long courtship chaperoned by my mother.

[Beth Mays]

Yes.
20+ years ago.. and the story behind it.. well..ummmm

[Badtranny]

but of course I've been kissed by a man, it is my preference after all. ;-)

I have to concur with some of the other ladies that men (especially in my stage of transition) are pretty much only interested in sex. Which is fine for me right now but I can foresee a time when I will definitely want more.

The sex is almost always good, I mean even bad sex is pretty good but I can't say the same for the kissing. I've kissed um, a few and most men can't kiss worth a darn in my opinion. Gay men are generally good kissers, but for some reason straight guys haven't figured out yet that if they learned to kiss well, their dates may turn out a lot more predictably. ;-) Hell, they haven't even figured out that dancing can get them to kissing a lot faster either.

It's like I always say, I'm amazed that straight guys EVER get laid.

[Melody1985]

Nope.. And no plans to do that. Although, when I go outside, I don't mind when a guy stares for a while. Even if it is through my car window. To look attractive to a guy while en femme is cool, but that's as far as that goes for me!

[KaTanya]

Yes, many times. My S.O... Sadly, he doesnt like that I crossdress, so I cant do it around him.. :(geez, a gurl can't catch a break around here. I hope he at least likes good music...

[Being Paige]

Yes, a couple of times, I would say that both times were very exciting.

[Kathi Lake]

Let's see, my dad used to kiss my "owies" but that stopped around four or five, I believe. Oh, and my grandpa kissed me on the head once when I was around 10 - but he was drunk.

:)

Kathi

[Audreyanne]

No - can't say I have. Though I CD and wish I was born 100% woman, I have no attraction to men whatsoever. Right now, I just need to find a girlfriend that would be understanding/accepting of my CD, then I'd be a giddy girl :)

I agree. I just do not find men attractive.

[Jennifer in CO]

My very first date...it was a double date with my cousin. She set it up for her boyfriends friend so he'd have someone to talk to while they made out...in the theater, in the car, etc... I was only 14 but he thought I was 17 (my cuz told him I was 17) and per her and nearly everyone else who saw me thought I was so heck...anyway...it was just a peck on the lips...but I did kiss him back...god that was a looooong time ago...

Jenn

[Miranda-E]

men that are insterested in CD's or TG's aren't any different than men interested in women. CD/TG tend to look in bars,craigslist/online dating sites and others.
You know what women find in bars? the kind of men that go to bars looking to pick up women. Is it REALLY surprising that when a CD/TG looks in the worse places
for a man that they meet the worst men?

[Joanna Maguire]

Yes ! A few times dancing They graBed me and kissed me out of the blue !NOT VERY NICE DEFINITELY THEY WERE NOT GENTLEMEN I
REALLY WAS A MILD FORM OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

I'll admit it, I've kissed a few guys. It was kind of fun, because I love kissing, but it wasn't great. I can't quite put it into tangible words but the feeling I got from it has never lived up to the all encompassing awesomeness that comes from kissing women. It was like something was missing, like listening to music when the volume is turned down a bit too low to connect the melody and the lyrics. I have tried it more than once, including with other CDs or with men in guy mode. The reason for the multiple attempts is because I've also kissed women who weren't great kissers, so I figured try it out if the moment presents itself and see if it feels different, but every time it just never did it for me.

[Lori B]

There’s a good [and naughty] joke there but I will let someone else crack it!lmao...:doh:.........:heehee:

[Terri Andrews]

Yes ,
several times ,but only one was good at it.

[Starr]

Yes i have been kissed by Men and for the most part i do enjoy it.. of course i love Men... starting to think i am mor transexual then crossdresser..

star

[sandra-leigh]

To answer the original question: Not I. A gay stranger did try to pick me up once, but I had no interest at all. The closest I've come to doing anything is that a gay guy once asked me to show him a bit of leg, and I figured, "Heck, why not?" -- but that was as far as it went, and neither of us was interested in the other. I'm not saying "No, I could never do that!", but it seems improbable to me.


You know what women find in bars? the kind of men that go to bars looking to pick up women.

They do find those, but they also sometimes find people like me. I have never ever picked up a woman in a bar. I don't think I've ever even asked any of them for dates, but I am not 100% sure of that.

You might well wonder why a non-drinker ever goes to bars alone, if not to pick someone up. The answer for me is people watching, and hoping for conversation.

[helenejo]

Been kissed by a male, female, CD and transexual....maybe most exciting with the last, but as she was absolutely stunning this is probably why

[eluuzion]

Well, I have been kissed by a few male relatives like grandpas, etc. But not on the lips.

I have also been kissed by a few women who had mustaches...does that count? :D

:love:

[septifani]

Yes, a couple of times, I would say that both times were very exciting.

Hiii there Paige :)
hehehe how did it feel for you being kissed by a man?did it go any further ;p?


Well, I have been kissed by a few male relatives like grandpas, etc. But not on the lips.

I have also been kissed by a few women who had mustaches...does that count? :D

:love:

girls with mustaches??girl,that definately counts ;p
how did it feel kissing someone with mustaches?hehehe did it feel funny?itchy ;p?

[brenda b smith]

well i kiss my son on his forehead everynight before bed and sometimes he will kiss my forehead. but no never kissed a guy. I don't really think i want to

[linda allen]

Have I ever been kissed by a man?

No, I have not.

But, I have this ongoing fantasy that I would get a professional makeover and then go out on a date with a guy. There would be kissing and more. Much more. I'm just curious how it feels to be the woman.

But, it will never happen. First, I am married and love my wife. Anything like my fantasy would be cheating and I wouldn't do it even if there was no chance of being caught.

Second, I am not attracted to men sexually so I would have to get myself into some state of mind where I was. Dressing would get me part of the way there but I'm not sure it would get me all the way. It doesn't matter, it's not going to happen anyway.

[Michelle.M]

The sex is almost always good, I mean even bad sex is pretty good but I can't say the same for the kissing.

Yeah, sex is like pizza. When it's good it's great, and even when it's bad it's still pretty good.

[ArleneRaquel]

I've been kissed by a man, after all I live my life as a woman. Being kissed by a man is one reason that I have decided to live as a female.

[Renihoward]

YES many times and loved them all. The feeling of a man taking me in his arms and passionatley kissing me makes me melt. Yes each time it led to something more and I wanted it too. I love being used just a little in a ****y kinda way.

[Kristy_K]

For me Kissing a man wasn't good. I hated the whiskers.

Plus I agree with Julia. If a man is interest in you it is only for sex.

As long as you keep him horny then you might be able to control him but don't expect any emotional support from him.

It is usually only about what is between his legs that counts.

[septifani]

Have I ever been kissed by a man?

No, I have not.

But, I have this ongoing fantasy that I would get a professional makeover and then go out on a date with a guy. There would be kissing and more. Much more. I'm just curious how it feels to be the woman.

But, it will never happen. First, I am married and love my wife. Anything like my fantasy would be cheating and I wouldn't do it even if there was no chance of being caught.

Second, I am not attracted to men sexually so I would have to get myself into some state of mind where I was. Dressing would get me part of the way there but I'm not sure it would get me all the way. It doesn't matter, it's not going to happen anyway.

Hiii Linda...well sadly but true i also agree with you that men always want sex and sex.that's the only thing they want.i think if they have sex with me i would be left or dump after they satisfy crawling and exploring my whole body :(


Yes ! A few times dancing They graBed me and kissed me out of the blue !NOT VERY NICE DEFINITELY THEY WERE NOT GENTLEMEN I
REALLY WAS A MILD FORM OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

Hiii there Joanna...what..they were going to sexually abuse you?that was really awfull :(
i'm really sorry to hear that,Joanna :(
how did they were going to abuse you anyway?what did they do?

[Danille]

YES many times and loved them all. The feeling of a man taking me in his arms and passionatley kissing me makes me melt. Yes each time it led to something more and I wanted it too. I love being used just a little in a ****y kinda way.

I'm of the same fellings as Reni, If he's good, it leads to more.

[leannejames2011]

Yes, I have kissed a man. At the time, the only fem thing on was panties. I've almost decided that if me and my girlfriend breakup, I'd like to possibly persue a relationship with a man while spending time as Leanne. I would, of course, have to tell him up front that technically I'm a male too.

Leanne

[Gianna]

YES many times and loved them all. The feeling of a man taking me in his arms and passionatley kissing me makes me melt. Yes each time it led to something more and I wanted it too. I love being used just a little in a ****y kinda way.

Thank you Reni. I couldn't say it any better. The only thing I would add is my internal need to submit to his every desire until he is completely satisfied. That way he squeezes me and kisses me again!

[Nicole Brown]

Yes, I have been kissed by a gentlemen on more than several occasions. The most recent time was just last week when I took a short vacation and visited Washington DC for a few days. On my last evening there, I decided to have a quick dinner and a glass of wine in the hotel lounge. While enjoying my wine, a gentlemen approached me and asked if he could join me, I of course replied that I would enjoy it if he did.

After another glass of wine, he asked if I would like to go to a club that had dancing, again I replied that I would love to. I excused myself, went to my room to gather my coat and change to a smaller purse. We walked the 3 blocks to the club, checked my coat and were immediately on the dance floor. After about 3 hours of chatting, dancing and drinking wine we left and he walked me back to my hotel. As we walked into the hotel he reached out and pulled me close to him and kissed me. It was a long soft sensuous kiss which was a very pleasant surprise. We finally said good night about 10 minutes later after several more kisses, each just as pleasant and just as sensual.

[Regan]

I have never been kissed, but my ultimate fantasy is to be with a man as his girl friend. I also want more than a kiss, I have fantasized that ever sense I started dressing.

[ninapuella]

No I have never done that and I cant say it is the biggest dream in my life. :thumbsdn:

[Cherry Lynn]

I have been kissed and enjoyed it and what followed. Some men are better kissers just like some women are better kissers kissers than others.

[NicoleScott]

I never have, and don't expect to ever want to. But I had an interesting experience at a tg-friendly bar in Daytona Beach. I like to dress and make up over the top, and chose to go to that spot because I knew I would be seen as an obvious cd. On one occasion, I was made up as glamorous as possible, and as my eyes and brain define glamour. Heavy foundation (necessary), long thick black fake eyelashes and heavy black liquid eyeliner, and dark red lipstick applied as perfectly as I could, but very heavily. It's just the look I like. I had a long pleasant conversation with a rather scruffy blue collar type guy and out of the blue he said he wanted to kiss me. I politey declined, explaining that I'm not here for a hook-up, and that I just like to dress and makeup this way He just couldn't understand that I was not there, appearing as I was, to pick up a partner for some kind of intimate encounter. My guess is that he has a lipstick fetish. I do too, but kissing a man isn't in my fantasy library. I eventually left, without incident.

[ReineD]

He just couldn't understand that I was not there, appearing as I was, to pick up a partner for some kind of intimate encounter. My guess is that he has a lipstick fetish.

No, he just thinks along the same lines that GGs do. :)

When we make ourselves up to be sexy, it is to attract men. These are the rules of engagement in the cis world. The men look and admire, while the women seek their looks and admiration by being visually appealing. The birds and the bees and all that. :)

This is why so many GGs believe their SO's want to attract men when they dress, if they dress the way a GG would when she wants to attract a man.

I do understand why you dress, Nicole (or I think I do. :)) My point is that it takes a while before people who aren't plugged into the community can get it.

[Wendy Volare]

I like the answers

woo hoo

Wendy

[Vickie_CDTV]

This is why so many GGs believe their SO's want to attract men when they dress, if they dress the way a GG would when she wants to attract a man.


This doesn't apply to all of course, but this is one way to think of it.

When a hetero male dresses up, technically he is still dressing to please a man as a GG would, the man just happens to be himself.

[Noel Chimes]

To answer your question, yes I have been kissed. The only objectional part was his razor stubble. Guys, use a good razor and shave aganist the grain.

[sherri]

men that are insterested in CD's or TG's aren't any different than men interested in women.Sure, sex tends to be the first priority for men on the make regardless of the object of their interest, but the difference is that men chasing GGs understand that usually there is sort of a courtship ritual required. With TGs, however, all that goes out the window. For some reason, men presume that TGs don't need or expect the romance. They wouldn't dream of approaching a GG they've never met before and asking for sex point blank, but they have no problem doing so with a TG. I guess it's the old man-in-a-dress presumption. Clueless neanderthals.


CD/TG tend to look in bars,craigslist/online dating sites and others. You know what women find in bars? the kind of men that go to bars looking to pick up women. Is it REALLY surprising that when a CD/TG looks in the worse places for a man that they meet the worst men?I agree with you that there should be other venues for interaction, but the reality doesn't really match the ideal for most of us. Most guys can't even handle being seen with a TG in accepting surroundings like a TG-friendly club, let alone mainstream society. And besides, some bars and clubs are sleazy, some aren't.

I agree totally with the posts about stubble -- ewww!

Fwiw, by far the best kiss I ever had from a guy was from a black man. Just sayin'.

[Lorileah]

It is sort of like kissing a woman except you get scratched by the beard. It is also more firm and sometimes more urgent, with women. Since I am the worst kisser in the world, everyone seems better than I am.

I am not into facial hair at all so I usually avoid kissing anyone with a beard...which limits it to very few.

[seanmuscle]

Thank you Reni. I couldn't say it any better. The only thing I would add is my internal need to submit to his every desire until he is completely satisfied. That way he squeezes me and kisses me again!

sorry mod tamara. I meant to say its very romantic gianna wink...

[NicoleScott]

I appreciate your perspective, Reine (post#57). Certainly a GG would understand that dressing and making up to be glamous doesn't suspend your right to decline his advances. He just never understood that, even after my clear explanation. But as I said, nothing became of it, except (hopefully) a bit of understanding on his part, and some flattery for me.
Vickie (post #59), right you are. I just never figured anyone would be as attracted to me (en femme) and as I am.

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

When we make ourselves up to be sexy, it is to attract men.

This is why so many GGs believe their SO's want to attract men when they dress, if they dress the way a GG would when she wants to attract a man.


I've seen this argument from you before Reine, and I know there is some truth to it, however, *is* that the only reason GG's get dressed up to the nines? I don't think it is, personally. I know plenty of GGs who are in happy committed relationships, married or otherwise, that will get together for "Girls night out" type stuff and get all dressed up to the nines. I also know lesbians who have no interest in attracting men who will do the same.

My mother freaks out about going to the grocery store without her hair and makeup looking good, should I be worried that she's looking for a man in the frozen foods section, or should I probably still assume she loves my father and just wants to be presentable for other reasons, such as self confidence and such?


Sure, sex tends to be the first priority for men on the make regardless of the object of their interest, but the difference is that men chasing GGs understand that usually there is sort of a courtship ritual required. With TGs, however, all that goes out the window. For some reason, men presume that TGs don't need or expect the romance. They wouldn't dream of approaching a GG they've never met before and asking for sex point blank, but they have no problem doing so with a TG.

Actually this happens to GGs too. It probably happens at a much higher ratio amongst TGs but men can be pigs without discriminating. When out at bar and a club, guys looking to hook up are generally looking for someone who they can have sex with that night, if at all possible. Also with online dating girls get significantly more messages from guys, and every girl I know who dates online has at least one horror story or more about getting sent pictures of private parts or straight up propositions for sex on the very first message.

On the flip side, I will say that I have been hit on by guys at TG bars, and I have had some of them at least put in some of the courtship steps, such as asking about myself and trying to start a dialogue. The first time this happened I didn't quite clue in right away because I've never been a pick-up type guy, but I have figured out now, oh he's hitting on me. I politely excuse myself early on but I can see the courtship rituals being ramped up for sure.

[ReineD]

I've seen this argument from you before Reine, and I know there is some truth to it, however, *is* that the only reason GG's get dressed up to the nines? I don't think it is, personally. I know plenty of GGs who are in happy committed relationships, married or otherwise, that will get together for "Girls night out" type stuff and get all dressed up to the nines. I also know lesbians who have no interest in attracting men who will do the same.

No, I'm talking about the very fundamental, reptilian brain type reason women have adorned themselves throughout the ages: to entice men.

Of course it's more complex than that. We are also socialized to embrace a cultural aesthetics. We don't like to be different. So, we comply and eventually it becomes a part of our routine even though we have no immediate designs on a particular man. Even when it becomes a part of psyches to adorn ourselves (styling our hair, wearing makeup & jewelry, etc, can you honestly tell me that the women on the left and the middle do not dress specifically for men, compared to the woman on the right? :)

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When a hetero male dresses up, technically he is still dressing to please a man as a GG would, the man just happens to be himself.

Ah! Yes, there is a word for this. It begins and ends with an "a", and it has "gyne" in the middle. :)

[Kate Simmons]

Of course but you haven't really played the role until you've gotten the kiss and possibly more.;):)

[GingerLeigh]

Getting kissed by a man may float some crossdressers boat, but not THIS crossdresser. YUCK! It happened once as a joke. I was taken by surprise and in drab. This guy actually REALLY kissed me, and I'm surprised there was no tongue poking out...eeewwww... All I could think of was knocking his lights out! There was no fanciful fluttering heart or weak kneed blushing, just the strong urge to kick his @$$!

Ginger

[Lorileah]

When we make ourselves up to be sexy, it is to attract men. These are the rules of engagement in the cis world. The men look and admire, while the women seek their looks and admiration by being visually appealing. The birds and the bees and all that. :)



I've seen this argument from you before Reine, and I know there is some truth to it, however, *is* that the only reason GG's get dressed up to the nines? I don't think it is, personally. I know plenty of GGs who are in happy committed relationships, married or otherwise, that will get together for "Girls night out" type stuff and get all dressed up to the nines. I also know lesbians who have no interest in attracting men who will do the same.

My mother freaks out about going to the grocery store without her hair and makeup looking good, should I be worried that she's looking for a man in the frozen foods section, or should I probably still assume she loves my father and just wants to be presentable for other reasons, such as self confidence and such?

I have to agree with Ryan because I think many women dress to impress other women. Ask your mom why she does that and she will probably say "I don't want Mrs' so-n-so to see me without my make up. You know how she is." So in a way I agree with Reine and in a way it is the birds and bees but more competition for the male. You know the old joke "to attract a man show up naked and with beer." Men don't go somewhere and say "Look! Those two women have the same dress on!" More likely they will say "Look at the boobs on that one!" Women may think they are dressing to attract a man but they are dressing in competition with the other women. I don't believe that the TG's here are any different, that is why they post pictures (me included) hoping for approval of the others here. Otherwise they would post on a "different site".

And I agree that many guys are pigs.

[ReineD]

Like I mentioned, Lori, we've become socialized to look a certain way and for women it means altering their natural appearance with makeup, particular hairstyles, etc, in short doing what she can to adhere to socially prescribed "rules" of feminine aesthetics.

But, what do you thing is the fundamental reason we feel that our natural appearance isn't good enough? When you compare both ends of the full spectrum of feminine adornment (from just a bit of makeup and a cute, cuddly sweater, to the full on smokey eyes, sexy hair, jewelry that sparkles and attracts the eye, and low cut tops), what do you think is the ultimate goal for a woman who goes all out, such as in the two first pics above? :)

Fundamentally, it boils down to the birds and the bees, even if this isn't in the forefront of a woman's mind.

[Soriya]

Ummm no, so not attracted to men whatsoever.

While on the subject of kissing, I have to admit, I never realized how many people (I guess mostly guys) are bad kissers. I say this based on what GF's of mine have said. They all said I am a great kisser and always asked me where I learned to kiss like that, thinking I have had lot's of practice or something. I dunno, I just always kissed the way I do but then again, I have always been a passionate person and as a guy, love an emotional connection to my partner but I guess most guys lack that quality. It's just something that has always been natural to me.

[kathie225]

I've never kissed a man, nor have I that as one of my "bucket list" musts. In reading the various posts in this tread, I'm curious if those who have or would kiss another man would also do so if simply dressed as a male. There are many men iin this world who kiss other men and putting on or wearing feminine attire is not on their minds. So does crossdressing merely become an excuse to engage in conduct aside from the element of attracting a man by being so attired?

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

Like I mentioned, Lori, we've become socialized to look a certain way and for women it means altering their natural appearance with makeup, particular hairstyles, etc, in short doing what she can to adhere to socially prescribed "rules" of feminine aesthetics.

Ok, but here's where I still think you are being very black and white about something that is a lot more grey area than you give it credit for. Men are also socialized to look a certain way. Now, there are plenty of women who dress in the way that men are socialized to to look, and I am speaking about heterosexual women. Baggy clothes, collared shirts, no makeup, shorter hair. Do you automatically assume all women you see dressed like this are on some level trying to attract another woman? I'm guessing not.


what do you think is the ultimate goal for a woman who goes all out, such as in the two first pics above? :)

With all due respect I think your samples were a bit biased. You specifically picked photos that were blatantly and over the top trying to attract men, in fact ones that were professionally done and photo shopped to attract men not just sexually but as a marketing strategy. It doesn't at all prove that dressing femininely and with makeup and such means someone is trying to attract men, it only proves that some do, specifically these ones in this case.

It's like saying "The purpose of going to McDonald's is to eat cheeseburgers," and someone saying "Well, no, they also have chicken sandwiches and french fries," and then posting two pictures of someone at McDonald's eating cheeseburgers and someone not at mcdonald's eating chicken. "See, the people at McDonalds all are eating cheeseburgers." But the argument isn't people don't ever eat cheeseburgers at McDonalds, it's that there's other reasons to go there as well. Yes, women dress sexy for men, and vice versa. But is it the only reason? No.

Here's a photo of three women dressed up in very feminine looks and with time and effort put into their makeup as well as their accessories and attempting to fit the socialized aesthetic we're talking about, but my immediate reaction to them is not "They're clearly trying to catch themselves a man."

[Badtranny]

I've never kissed a man, nor have I that as one of my "bucket list" musts. In reading the various posts in this tread, I'm curious if those who have or would kiss another man would also do so if simply dressed as a male. There are many men iin this world who kiss other men and putting on or wearing feminine attire is not on their minds. So does crossdressing merely become an excuse to engage in conduct aside from the element of attracting a man by being so attired?

Not me. If I wasn't transitioning I would be queer as a three dollar bill.

After a couple of surgeries I will be so straight even a conservative won't mind if I kiss a guy.

[Badtranny]

Here's a photo of three women dressed up in very feminine looks and with time and effort put into their makeup as well as their accessories and attempting to fit the socialized aesthetic we're talking about, but my immediate reaction to them is not "They're clearly trying to catch themselves a man."

Waaaaaay off the point here. I mean your argument is sound in the sense that Reine's would essentially be a straw-man, IF (big IF) Nicole hadn't posted in some detail about her look for that night. Have a look at her avatar and tell me what her picture has in common with the pic you posted. I think Reine's pic was much more in line with Nicole's presentation for that evening. She wasn't made up for a day of shopping, she was admittedly as glamorous as she could be, for her evening out at a club. The offending gentlemen may have certainly misread her signals, but he sure didn't misread her advertisement.

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

I think Reine's pic was much more in line with Nicole's presentation for that evening. She wasn't made up for a day of shopping, she was admittedly as glamorous as she could be, for her evening out at a club. The offending gentlemen may have certainly misread her signals, but he sure didn't misread her advertisement.

I don't agree, Nicole wears a lot of makeup and goes for a look that is glamorous, yes, but that is not the same thing as dressing as a sex bomb like the picture of Rihanna and the other woman whose name I don't know. They're not just dressed with *glamour*, they're dressed provocatively. Nicole only described her makeup, but the rampant sexuality of Reine's picture examples was located not in the faces of those women but a few inches south. In fact Rihanna is wearing very natural makeup in her photo, some eye work and some foundation, sure, but the emphasis is on her cleavage for sure. If that's the argument, then the woman on the far right in the red and white is wearing heavier makeup than Rihanna, and since she's the example of someone *not* trying to meet a man with her look, it only further underscores my point that there are other reasons women do these things than the sole mission of trying to attract a man.

All the words Nicole used to describe her look could also be used to describe the heterosexual, executive transvestite comedian Eddie Izzard as well:

[xcdmargo]

So, here's my experience on this subject. I've kissed a few men in my life and some I enjoyed and some I did not. I have absolutely no interest in kissing guys unless I'm dressed. I simply feel like a woman when I'm dressed and I enjoy being with a guy when I'm in femme mode. Sometimes it leads to more and frankly I enjoy that part of it too. I agree with Reni in that the feeling of melting into a guys arms, having him hold you and caress you is simply wonderful.
I will agree that I much prefer a clean shaven guy as well as one with good hygiene.

I enjoy being a woman in all ways and being a little ****ty from time to time well it just feels good :)

margo

[Sue Too]

Oh Yes!! I have been kissed by several. Some are just good and some are wonderful! I don't engage in romance with a guy unless I am en femme and then I put my whole self into the act. Kissing is wonderful foreplay. I don't enjoy guys with facial hair!! The kisses can be slow and gentle or deep and passionate. French kisses are wonderful. Each type has a place in my book of foreplay. I cauld write more but that would do nothing to help me sleep tonght.

Susan in Phoenix (68 and sunny today) (and tomorrow) (and the next day)

[Marleena]

No, never been kissed by a man. I'm just not interested in men at all, but I have no issues with anybody else that enjoys it.:) To each their own.

[Joann Smith]

Twice once on the cheek from a guy that I meet in Chicago ....have not heard from him since. And once on the hand by a really drunk guy in a restaurant ...have not heard from either guy since. Its cool though they both smelled really bad

[Patsy]

In femme mode I'm not totally opposed to the idea, depends on the man I suppose. In male mode - Yuck!

[seanmuscle]

So, here's my experience on this subject. I've kissed a few men in my life and some I enjoyed and some I did not. I have absolutely no interest in kissing guys unless I'm dressed. I simply feel like a woman when I'm dressed and I enjoy being with a guy when I'm in femme mode. Sometimes it leads to more and frankly I enjoy that part of it too. I agree with Reni in that the feeling of melting into a guys arms, having him hold you and caress you is simply wonderful.
I will agree that I much prefer a clean shaven guy as well as one with good hygiene.

I enjoy being a woman in all ways and being a little ****ty from time to time well it just feels good :)

margo

And for a man there is nothing more fulfilling that holding a woman in his arms and protecting her

[danielletorresani]

I've never kissed a dude before.

Even though I'd be interested and open to experimenting with a CD, I'm still kinda weirded out by the idea of kissing them. Strange indeed...I'd be willing to fool around with a CD but I wouldn't be willing to kiss them.

[Amymonroe]

i remember my first his name was steven. and i enjoyed it. we took it a lot further too.

[hmerkin]

Oh Yes,
The Man Was A Big Person wearing Nylon Panties, Pantyhose, a Slip and High Heel Pumps! She/He was bound and gagged....more than necessary... so a peck on the cheek surficed.

[CINDYO]

wow this question has generated a lot, a ton of views. Looks like people on this site are really interested on the topic "ever been kissed by a man". hmmmmm. I wonder when i read the responses if all those xdressers that say they have and would like to, or dream about it etc. identify themselves as bi-sexual. Just an innocent, relevant question from a GG. I admit i do not know much about xdressing, but i do know that a hetero man would never kiss another man, probably would not even look at this post as he would not be interested. Given the number of views, i just wonder. I know that the type of clothes one wears does not change change the sexuality of a person. That is something that does not flip back and forth.

[Mark/Rebecca]

Julia, you must be lovely. To get a man (let alone 2) to commit to a move in relationship meant a much bigger committment based also on romance. Im sure the pressure of being in a trans relationship was just too overwhelming. You have been dealing with it probably all of your life, and he mustve panicked? Ill bet if you texted something simple like "miss you" you would find that his feelings for you were deeper. I hope soon that we will be as commonly accepted as boyz

(ftm)
Hi,

Yes the first man I had a relationship with did the age old line of " I need space" Within a week he had taken his belongings from my apartment while I was at work.

The second guy pretty much mirrored the first even though he promised otherwise.

Everyone, don't get me wrong sex with men is an incredible experience for the most part just don't expect anything further and you'll be fine.


Julia

[linda allen]

Not me. If I wasn't transitioning I would be queer as a three dollar bill.

After a couple of surgeries I will be so straight even a conservative won't mind if I kiss a guy.

So that brings up an interresting point - what is the definition of "gay" ("queer as a three dollar bill")? If you are a male and have sex with other males, the world sees you as gay. But if you feel like a woman inside, are you still gay? If you are a male but dressing and living as a woman, and have sex with males, are you still gay? Taking hormones to feminize yourself? Have had breast implants but still have male genitals?

So at what point are you no longer gay, but just a "normal" woman having sex with males?

[linda allen]

wow this question has generated a lot, a ton of views. Looks like people on this site are really interested on the topic "ever been kissed by a man". hmmmmm. I wonder when i read the responses if all those xdressers that say they have and would like to, or dream about it etc. identify themselves as bi-sexual. Just an innocent, relevant question from a GG. I admit i do not know much about xdressing, but i do know that a hetero man would never kiss another man, probably would not even look at this post as he would not be interested. Given the number of views, i just wonder. I know that the type of clothes one wears does not change change the sexuality of a person. That is something that does not flip back and forth.
I can only speak for myself and I've already posted.

I don't identify as bisexual at all. Or homosexual. That said, I like to dress and "pretend" that I am a female. Part of that pretending might be to be kissed (or more) by a male. It's more about wondering what it feels like to be female than anything else.

As I already posted, it's not going to happpen for many reasons, but it's something I think about at times. The male in my fantasy has no face or name.

[sherri]

Actually this happens to GGs too. It probably happens at a much higher ratio amongst TGs but men can be pigs without discriminating. When out at bar and a club, guys looking to hook up are generally looking for someone who they can have sex with that night, if at all possible. Also with online dating girls get significantly more messages from guys, and every girl I know who dates online has at least one horror story or more about getting sent pictures of private parts or straight up propositions for sex on the very first message. I think you know what I meant, generally speaking.


On the flip side, I will say that I have been hit on by guys at TG bars, and I have had some of them at least put in some of the courtship steps, such as asking about myself and trying to start a dialogue. The first time this happened I didn't quite clue in right away because I've never been a pick-up type guy, but I have figured out now, oh he's hitting on me. I politely excuse myself early on but I can see the courtship rituals being ramped up for sure.I think you and I have radically different ideas about what constitutes courtship. Getting hit on or chatted up ain't it exactly. :-) But actually the word courtship may be a little over the top regarding my expectations. If a man (or woman) is interested in me, I only expect three things: 1) he has come to terms with his interest in TGs and doesn't feel the need to hide it (or me); 2) sneaking off to a motel room is not my idea of dating, and if he's not ready for dating, he might as well forget it; and 3) he understands that there must be mutual chemistry and the cultivation of some sort of relationship before sex is gonna happen.

[Kate Simmons]

Like I mentioned, Lori, we've become socialized to look a certain way and for women it means altering their natural appearance with makeup, particular hairstyles, etc, in short doing what she can to adhere to socially prescribed "rules" of feminine aesthetics.

But, what do you thing is the fundamental reason we feel that our natural appearance isn't good enough? When you compare both ends of the full spectrum of feminine adornment (from just a bit of makeup and a cute, cuddly sweater, to the full on smokey eyes, sexy hair, jewelry that sparkles and attracts the eye, and low cut tops), what do you think is the ultimate goal for a woman who goes all out, such as in the two first pics above? :)

Fundamentally, it boils down to the birds and the bees, even if this isn't in the forefront of a woman's mind.Pretty much Reine. That's what a lot of them don't get. Unless you get a taste of that euphoria, you really don't have a clue what it (and life) is all about.:)

[Julia_in_Pa]

Thank you for kind words sweetheart. :O)


Julia



Julia, you must be lovely. To get a man (let alone 2) to commit to a move in relationship meant a much bigger committment based also on romance. Im sure the pressure of being in a trans relationship was just too overwhelming. You have been dealing with it probably all of your life, and he mustve panicked? Ill bet if you texted something simple like "miss you" you would find that his feelings for you were deeper. I hope soon that we will be as commonly accepted as boyz

(ftm)

[Badtranny]

So at what point are you no longer gay, but just a "normal" woman having sex with males?

Well I think the logical answer would be after SRS. As long as there is a sword fight, it's not a physically hetero situation.

In a deeper sense, I've never really identified as a man, certainly never felt like one so an argument can be made that in a spiritual sense I have never been gay. However, I think that sounds a little bit too much like pretend land. The fact is I was born a man and I have a man's body and sense I am attracted to men, at least one of us has to be gay right?

This is why I'm transitioning. I don't identify as a gay man so the life I want to live is impossible in this body.

[Tashee]

First time I had Zero idea this was going to happen. I was not attracted to men nor happy with my mate for coming on so fast. But I went along and ahhhhhh I Loved it talk about the old joke come to life. I Must have been good too. A month later I get a invite for Dinner after we have coffee drinks. OK that melted my heart. We go to his home his Mate was coming over soon. To My Surprise me and My man were into it his mate Well Our Mate came over. Dammit they had this planned, I heard sounds He was focus on me. Im Like Gladly! Soon I noticed 2 persons on me. I was Strangly frightened. They Calmed me down. The Night Lasted until 4 something AM. The Next Day and Days,weeks Had me wondering what kind of a girl Am I.Why I found so much pleasure in the sexual relief of other men. Yes It Bothered me Until I stoped worrying about it. This was Before I was Ill. Thanks For letting me share Girls.

[NicoleScott]

The offending gentlemen may have certainly misread her signals, but he sure didn't misread her advertisement.

I'm not sure I see the difference, but that's OK. Any signals or advertisement sent were not intentional, that is, with the purpose of attracting and hooking up. That's just how I make up and dress, always. I stay in far more than I go out, and I dress and make up over-the-top when I stay at home. I chose to go to a tg-friendly club because I felt I would be more comfortable there, even as an obvious cd, than I would in a more "mainstream" public place, or by toning it down. The point of my original post was that even after explaining my look and presence there, the words didn't register, as he firmly believed that my purpose was to attract and hook up. But as Reine said, it's going to take some time for people outside the community to get it.
This may surprise you, but as much as I like glamour, of Reine's three pics, I am attracted more strongly to the one on the right, the one who appears to be the least glamorous, or at least the one who appears to be the least overtly sexy. Funny how the brain works.

[cdliz15]

I have never been kissed by a man. I'm not attracted to men, but I have fantasized about being escorted by a gentleman, going on a date, some dancing, and maybe even a kiss. I must say, I'm glad to see I'm not the only gurl who has thought about that.

[Badtranny]

In femme mode I'm not totally opposed to the idea, depends on the man I suppose. In male mode - Yuck!

Maybe a couple of drinks would suffice.

This reminds me of the old Superman joke. Take of the glasses and Clark becomes superman. Put on a wig and you become gay. No wig, totally straight, yuk.

Wig, gay.

No wig, straight.

[moondog]

Nope. I'm still trying to figure out who I am.

By the way I think Badtranny (AKA Melissa) and Julia in Pa are absolutely stunning. That is not to say nobody else is, I just find you two super sexy and attractive...personal tastes and attractions.

[Lorileah]

I wonder when i read the responses if all those xdressers that say they have and would like to, or dream about it etc. identify themselves as bi-sexual. Just an innocent, relevant question from a GG.

I have posted many times before that yes, I am Bi. Your question is important here. I agree you can't swap back and forth, but having bi (or gay) fantasies does not make one bi or gay IMO. So many here transition in their minds when dressed to female that they also think about men in sexual ways. But fantasies go away quickly when they start coming true.

[moondog]

Lorileah,

I don't know if that's my situation, but I'm definately attracted to men when I'm dressed. I've never been made-up or gone out dressed, but it's this internal feeling that I need to be with a man, like the girl takes over or something. Currently I'm married and I won't cheat, although my relationship is falling apart because of other reasons. Will I try getting a boyfriend when I'm single? I don't know, this is all new to me. I hope I don't discover that I am a roaring heterosexual when I'm all dressed and made-up pretty and I've got a sexy naked man standing in front of me, that would really suck...and not in the good way.

[christina s]

wow this question has generated a lot, a ton of views. Looks like people on this site are really interested on the topic "ever been kissed by a man". hmmmmm. I wonder when i read the responses if all those xdressers that say they have and would like to, or dream about it etc. identify themselves as bi-sexual. Just an innocent, relevant question from a GG. I admit i do not know much about xdressing, but i do know that a hetero man would never kiss another man, probably would not even look at this post as he would not be interested. Given the number of views, i just wonder. I know that the type of clothes one wears does not change change the sexuality of a person. That is something that does not flip back and forth.
While some wont admit it, think most who have answered yes are at least Bi-curious . Which i'm one of . The idea of getting to dress up and take the female role is kind of appealing to me .

[Nigella]

This thread has gone way off topic with side issues/observations etc being commented on, I may re-open the thread once I can pick out the off topic posts, possibly with a view to starting a new thread based on them.