Jury Duty and Cross Dressing

[abigailf]

So, has anyone gone to jury duty while dressed?

My wife has been summoned and she is worrying about what to wear. She decided jeans and sneakers to be most comfortable. I told her I would probably wear heels and a skirt when I am summoned.

I said it partly in jest as I am not out to the public yet. It could be a bit risky. But what a fun way to make that task more enjoyable.

[whowhatwhen]

That sounds like an excellent way to avoid being on the jury, unless the judge calls you on it but then again you still get to dress up nice so it's still a win-win.

[stacycoral]

That is just the jury needs, someone with a new look on things. Make sure you wear that mini.

[Eva_nine]

i was thinking the same thing. it would be a good way to get dismissed from the jury. prosecutors typically try to pick the most "normal" people who they think will relate to the victim of the crime.

[jacky83]

I had a conversation with some one that was a member of a CD support group and the judge asked the jury if they were a member of any organization. This person explained to the judge he was a member of this group. The judge recommended that he not come dressed. He wasn't selected anyway probably because he was a police officer.

[sissystephanie]

I don't think I would crossdress for jury duty! You could be held in comtempt by the judge, besides being dismissed!

[NathalieX66]

I got summonsed...again last year. I was definitely going to go en femme. I was able to get a signed letter from my my company president to excuse me. .....worked.

When I went for JD the first time, the case was a lawsuit over an infant who died because of a drug that a doctor prescribed. The parents, I saw, were deeply anguished.
In a case like this, I don't have a heart to be a show about me.
......Makes me more feminine to be this soft & nurturing, don't it?

[Eryn]

If you are comfortable with being in all situations dressed and your state has good TG antidiscrimination laws on the books you are well within your rights to dress as you please as long as you conform to the court's dress code. Courts usually specify "business casual."

OTOH, if the judge is a bigot and decides that you are mocking or disrupting his court he can make your life hell, and if there is a reporter handy you might well find yourself on the evening news as "Transvestite tries to get out of jury duty by wearing dress."

[donnatracey]

I agree w/Stephanie! There's a time, and a place.....and the court is not it!.....:eek::eek:

[Miranda-E]

You could be held in comtempt by the judge,

on what grounds?

I agree w/Stephanie! There's a time, and a place.....and the court is not it!.....:eek::eek:

why not?
and exactly what times and places is it allowed?

[dilane]

Yes, I've done it in LA twice, and was selected both times.

The second time I was voted fore-woman!

Here's the link (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?132362-Jury-duty-en-femme-the-sequel&highlight=) where I describe my last experience at length.

[Eryn]

You could be held in comtempt by the judge

on what grounds?

Disrespect for the court, disruption, deception, or anything else that the judge's imagination might come up with.

Never argue with anyone who has an armed bailiff and a jail cell at the ready.

[Diane Smith]

The instructions I received when I was called for jury duty last summer specifically said, "no jeans."

I dressed the same way that I would have to go to work in boy mode. Still, I think my long hair and nails and maybe my tattooed eyeshadow did attract enough attention that I was dismissed by the prosecuting attorney on the one trial I was interviewed for. (The defense attorney, a nice looking young lady, had no objection.)

- Diane

[Nicole Erin]

If you do go dressed, make sure you present as best you can. Don't like show up in fishnets and petticoats or a wedding dress. Passing gas might not be a good idea either.

Or you could go in a mini-skirt and no undies and do a "sharon stone" act.

How crap a luck would you have though if the defendant was there on charges of showing up to court dressed as a woman?

[Miranda-E]

Disrespect for the court, disruption, deception, or anything else that the judge's imagination might come up with.



I take it you've never been to court dressed.
I've never done jury duty, but probate cases, testifying and several other court occasions, never had a judge even mention it.
Dress appropriately for court, act appropriately for court.

deception? WTH

[Eryn]

I take it you've never been to court dressed.
I've never done jury duty, but probate cases, testifying and several other court occasions, never had a judge even mention it.

All it takes is one.

I've never been to court dressed, but I have seen how a judge treats people who he feels are not properly respectful.

[Jacqueline Winona]

If you show up for jury duty dressed there's nearly a 100% chance you get excused. Mostly because one of the attorneys or the judge just won't know what to think. The other issue will obviously be the restrooms- use the men's, using the women's could get you arrested.

[Jackiefl]

I'll tell you Eryn your just a positive ray of sunshine!

[Eryn]

I'll tell you Eryn your just a positive ray of sunshine!

Why thank you! Living here in SoCal I find that jury duty summonses arrive far too often. I would prefer not to be so familiar with the process.

[Persephone]

I received a jury duty summons and called in as I was asked to do. I never ended up having to report to the court. But had I been required to report I planned to do it en femme. I live in a state with non-discrimination laws and dressing en femme would be in accord with what I do most of the time. As others have indicated, I would have worn "business casual."

Hugs,
Persephone.

[Raychel]

Don't worry about what you wear, Wear whatever is most comfortable for the day. I just did Jury Duty and sitting in that room all day is a total bore. Be comfortable and bring a good book.

[LeannL]

If you show up for jury duty dressed there's nearly a 100% chance you get excused. Mostly because one of the attorneys or the judge just won't know what to think. The other issue will obviously be the restrooms- use the men's, using the women's could get you arrested.

Janice,
While I have not had the experience myself, there have been two or three stories here in the last year of members actually doing so. The most recent one, Dilane became the foreperson (forewoman?). Here is the link:

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?132362-Jury-duty-en-femme-the-sequel

Leann

[Karren H]

Last time I went I considered going enfemme but glad I didn't. Knew a couple people in the jury pool.. And as far as what to wear. Dress up if you go.. Enfemme or not. I wore a suit as did one of my friends and neither of us were picked. They chose mainly middle aged poorly dressed women... Lucky for me I don't do "poorly dressed" well!

[NicoleScott]

Just call the court and ask.

[whowhatwhen]

Noooooooo!
I mean to open the can of tuna, not worms!

*sobs quietly*

[TxKimberly]

I got summonsed...again last year. I was definitely going to go en femme. I was able to get a signed letter from my my company president to excuse me. .....worked.

When I went for JD the first time, the case was a lawsuit over an infant who died because of a drug that a doctor prescribed. The parents, I saw, were deeply anguished.
In a case like this, I don't have a heart to be a show about me.
......Makes me more feminine to be this soft & nurturing, don't it?

I'm with you on this one. When I had JD, it was for a man that had molested a four year old girl, and there was just no way I was going to go dressed. One of the very worst things that I have ever had to go through . . .

I dont recall who, but I have read about someone here that went to JD selection dressed and DID get chosen.

[Aprilrain]

thats one way to get out of jury duty!

[joank]

Last time I went I wore an NRA T-shirt and NRA Logo hat. ( I was not selected.)

[arbon]

I have jury duty in april / may so it is something I have been thinking about. I already know there is no way I will show up presenting as male, just not sure how that will be taken here. I know the local magistrate judge, he knows I am transitioning and has always been respectful to me, but he is also rather firm and no bs from those called to jury duty. Guess I will find out.

Also planning to file for my name change at about that same time

[earleen]

that would be a great way to come out! i myself have tried it and just when i think i am feeling pretty good i start receiving weird stares from everyone. i also wished i had a wife who supported my dressing up!

[abigailf]

Well, for someone who travels internationally dressed, if going through foreign immigration and customs where their laws are not governed by the US isn't enough to scare me, than I doubt a Judge behind a bench will.

Being brought out by such a miscarriage of injustice would be right up my alley anyway. It will save me the trouble of meeting everyone I know in person to tell them.

My biggest worry would be running into someone my wife and I know that is not aware of me. It would be all down hill from there.


Yes, I've done it in LA twice, and was selected both times.

The second time I was voted fore-woman!

Here's the link (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?132362-Jury-duty-en-femme-the-sequel&highlight=) where I describe my last experience at length.

I need to learn how to use the search tool better. I searched for Jury Duty and I got 5 responses and none of them were this one.

[Stephanie47]

In Washington State the law protects cross dressers from discrimination. I suppose nobody could object in state or local courts, but, the federal court may have a different opinion. I would not appear en femme, especially if not dressing for the selection process. I would think appearing en femme would be a distraction from the seriousness of the judicial process.

[Acastina]

I received a jury duty summons and called in as I was asked to do. I never ended up having to report to the court. But had I been required to report I planned to do it en femme. I live in a state with non-discrimination laws and dressing en femme would be in accord with what I do most of the time. As others have indicated, I would have worn "business casual."

Hugs,
Persephone.

If you're willing to be identified as your male self in open court, my opinion (California law license since 1978) is that you have the right to show up en femme, but you will most likely be thanked and excused by one side or the other by way of a peremptory challenge (one not based on cause, such as knowing one of the parties or attorneys). If you do so, be prepared to offer justification for your appearance, which will entail more privacy risks.


The other issue will obviously be the restrooms- use the men's, using the women's could get you arrested.

Not quite. California has a comprehensive non-discrimination statute, modeled on the federal Civil Rights Act, that includes gender identity, gender expression, and perceived gender along with the usual categories, such as race, religion, and so forth. Among the protections is access to public accommodations, of which public restrooms are an example. Bottom line: whether you're perceived as a "normal" woman, a semi-attractive woman, or a man in a dress doesn't really matter under this law, and CD/TG folk in California should be aware of it. It reflects our legislature's awareness of TG issues, such as a person just starting to transition who is easily read, as well as the commonsense view that it would be more disorderly for someone presenting as a woman to use the men's room. Disorderly conduct is the usual catch-all charge in such cases, and that means you have to be doing something disorderly, not simply be perceived as doing something wrong by someone who's ignorant of the law.

Just because you have the right, however, doesn't mean some hysterical restroom user or misguided security/cop won't disregard the law or act in ignorance of it, so be prepared.

[sometimes_miss]

I said it partly in jest as I am not out to the public yet. It could be a bit risky. But what a fun way to make that task more enjoyable. A BIT risky??
The judge could make a good case of you're using your crossdressing to get out of jury duty, especially since you're not 'out' yet. It would seem that the only reason you suddenly 'came out' was to get out of jury duty. You'd probably wind up in a cell, cited for contempt of court, with god knows what kind of people. Think about all the possible ramifications of your actions before you do them. Some could be quite severe.

[abigailf]

A BIT risky??
The judge could make a good case of you're using your crossdressing to get out of jury duty, especially since you're not 'out' yet. It would seem that the only reason you suddenly 'came out' was to get out of jury duty. You'd probably wind up in a cell, cited for contempt of court, with god knows what kind of people. Think about all the possible ramifications of your actions before you do them. Some could be quite severe.

Thank you for your concern. The risk I refer to is not legal risk but of seeing someone my wife knows there.

You need to realize, I am a transsexual and not a cross dresser. I am actually a woman, but being the doctor said I was a boy at birth I am now stuck with the label of "transsexual" and an incorrect ID. I barely own any male clothes anymore. Maybe a suit and some over-sized slacks. I go as female or I don't go at all. If that ends me up in jail with a bunch of big fat hairy men, then I suspect I may need to recall those years of martial arts training and then prepare for the legal battle of a lifetime.

I would not prefer it, but I don't fear it. Because there is nothing worse then living like a male when everything inside of you screams otherwise.

This is just who I am and if it isn't legal, then by God I will make it legal.

Besides, as others have stated, I am not the first transsexual to go to Jury Duty.

[Jacqueline Winona]

Janice,
While I have not had the experience myself, there have been two or three stories here in the last year of members actually doing so. The most recent one, Dilane became the foreperson (forewoman?). Here is the link:

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?132362-Jury-duty-en-femme-the-sequel

Leann
Leann,thank you for sharing that link, wow I am surprised! That will teach me to speculate! :)

[Jamie001]

Disrespect for the court, disruption, deception, or anything else that the judge's imagination might come up with.

Never argue with anyone who has an armed bailiff and a jail cell at the ready.

I don't understand. There is no disrespect. It's no different that a woman wearing a suit and a tie.

[Eryn]

I don't understand. There is no disrespect. It's no different that a woman wearing a suit and a tie.

In your opinion. Others may have differing opinions. One of them might also have a gavel.

I'll refer back to my original thought. If you have confidence in your ability to present as a woman comfortably for an extended period of time and you are supported by adequate anti-discrimination statutes then there is no problem with going dressed. Just about all TS folk and many CDers who spend most of their time en femme fall into this category.

For those of us who aren't at that level of confidence it would be best to save CDing for a less stressful environment.

[Danni Bear]

there is no statute that prevents you from dressing as you like on jury duty. there are social norms for your area that can be worse than statutes though. how you are percieved by the judge and the lawyers can differ greatly in court as opposed to outside the courtroom. cd'ing in court can result in problems most of the time, only each individual can determine if the risks outweigh the possible ramifications. I made several j.d. appearances as a female well before I transitioned but was well known ahead of time as a crossdresser and transexual. it was a non-event in my case as I dressed that way all the time.

just be prepared whatever happens

Danni

[linda allen]

I don't think I would crossdress for jury duty! You could be held in comtempt by the judge, besides being dismissed!

Yep. Judges don't have a sense of humor when it comes to such things. Amd you probably don't want to spend the night in jail dressed as a girl.

[linda allen]

there is no statute that prevents you from dressing as you like on jury duty. ...........
Perhaps, but judges have a lot of discretion in their courtrooms.

A former co-worker of mine, a rather large man, was called to jury duty and showed up in his work clothes. The judge told him he had to wear dress pants and shirt and a coat and tie. When he protested that he didn't own any dress clothes, the judge told him to buy or borrow them. He ended up buying a suit just for jury duty.

[abigailf]

... don't want to spend the night in jail dressed as a girl.

Look at the bright side, it would be another thing you could cross off (or add on and then cross off) the things I did as a girl list. :)

[EllieOPKS]

I would suspect the judge would see you as "Klinger" from MASH trying to get out of jury duty. The defense and prosecutor would probably see you as someone who would not take the case seriously. Personally I have no desire to ever be on a jury and it's primarily because the law has been twisted to the point that not all evidence and individual history can be conveyed.

[Vieja]

Lucky me I haven't had jury duty for twenty years. I guess there are some benefits to becoming a senior citizen.


Vieja