Rising female star of fashion world actually a man!

[Shiny]

This is just one of those amazing stories that comes along only rarely!

There's a 20 something male model out there this year who just hit the scene and is tearing up the fashion world as both a male and female model! A guy who's stunning enough in female mode to make even the highest of female high fashion models green with envy, with the world's top fashion designers clamoring to book his runway talents and the ability to stir lustful feelings in nearly any normal man!

Amazing! Now, I've read about this phenomena before, back in the '80's. There were a couple male models that were androgenous enough to model women's fashions. In fact, it started a craze amongst famous designers because these men were tall, thin, had long willowy legs and didn't have the breasts that got in the way of the drape of the clothing fabric etc. They fitted the new "waif" look of the time and now it seems that history is repeating itself. The model in question is Andrej Pejic. You can start learning by typing the name in Wikipedia.

I'm not knocking the fact that this guy looks better than most women, and hey! He's taking some high fashion work from some of the most beautiful women on the planet! It's almost poetic justice in a way if you think about it. And now, this man, this guy, has become a beacon, a trendsetter, the new standard bearer for the transgender world to boot! I think this not only refreshing, but great!

It gets me thinking "What If!" Just imagine the freedom one would have, to look like that! To be able to move freely in the real world in nearly any social circle in terms of gender, presenting oneself as a man or a woman at will, whenever whimsy struck. And not only being able to "Pass" but I mean passing without question, passing with a WOW! Now I admit, in seeing this guy in male-model mode he definitely looks like a "pretty boy" model type. He couldn't play the Marlboro man but his duality in modeling, being recognized as both a top Male and Female model is quite stunning!

He's not a transgendered person, isn't a "female impersonator" perse', and isn't a cross-dresser either. And let's face it, female fashion models make mega-bucks. I say if you can get the work, go for it! He just has "the look" that symmetry and those subtle facial cues that get noticed. He's the type of blank-slate, a true chameleon that hairstylists, makeup artists and designers can create nearly any look with.

What do you folks think?

[KrystalA]

I presume you are referring to Andrej Pejic. Yes, extremely beautiful and incredibly sexy. Just go to Google and enter his name. What a doll.

[larry]

I know of whom you speak. But--Not a crossdresser ??--really ??? What do you call it when he models bras dresses and lingerie ?

[Karren H]

I follow him on Facebook... And love his style but not all his photos. Like this one from his Haus of Andrej Pejic facebook fan page.... http://m.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-c.ak/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/429770_299399926784927_172311046160483_849447_3376 65295_n.jpg.

http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299399926784927&id=172311046160483&set=a.299399306784989.69309.172311046160483&refid=20&_ft_a=172311046160483&_ft_tf=299399306784989&_ft_tpi=172311046160483&_ft_ti=6&_ft_fth=0b02f7bf8b922a4a&_ft_esp=%7B%22force_validate%22%3A%221%22%7D&_ft_time_ft=1328810742

That was me making a comment about being "lady like". Lol.

[drag n fly]

Gawd..what a mouth he has...smooches (how apro pos)Jackie How do you spell that?

[tonixd]

Jealous!!! So jealous. He is gorgeous!!!

[NicoleScott]

I presume you are referring to Andrej Pejic. Yes, extremely beautiful and incredibly sexy. Just go to Google and enter his name. What a doll.

I've seen reports about this person. Here's my question:
I always thought "androgynous" refers to the blending of traditional male and female styles. Andrej Pejic successfully pulls off modeling both male and female styles, or rather, either male or female styles, without a blending of them. If this isn't androgynous, is there a word to describe this? (yes, we hate labels, but I'm just asking)

[Kate Simmons]

Evidently CDing is an art form for this person as it is for many of us along with enjoyment.I see no problem with that whatsoever.:)

[Shiny]

I just posed an interesting question, i.e. the ability to totally pass as a woman without question, that's the part that excited me! The ability to be a guy but when you need to dress-up you can max it out and still be accepted. A wistful idea but the truth. As far as him being a cross-dresser, according to the media reports he isn't! But, hey! If I could make a million bucks a year or more by dressing-up, that's a no-brainer! In the end the guy's a "Fox" and that in itself is just amazing!

Shiny

[kimdl93]

Yeah, he's not a cross dresser. It just occurred to him one day that he might look incredibly hot and make a million bucks dressed up as a girl. I believe that, and I have some shares in the Brooklyn Bridge I'd like to sell.

[Sammy777]

I know of whom you speak. But--Not a crossdresser ??--really ??? What do you call it when he models bras dresses and lingerie ?

An alternative revenue stream :lol2:

[Jill Devine]

He is a crossdresser. I've seen news articles on him being out and about (off the runway) and he was wearing make up and female clothing. I think he swings between both genders outside of work.

[Jennifer in CO]

He's not a cross-dresser...he's a TRANS-dresser. I saw a clip once on him arriving at a photo shoot. He arrived wearing a short mini-dress and big furry coat and his hair straightened. From that arrival, he was dressed/makeup/etc and modeled trousers/loose jacket (male-esk) clothes! Absolutly nothing male appearing about him when he dresses, very fem-boi looking when not. I have to say this, I looked alot like him at 19, thats why my wife wanted me to go on hormones and get some curves when I was 20....had to wait till I was 21. Guess I should have looked into being a supermodel instead!

Jenn

[Jill Devine]

He's not a cross-dresser...he's a TRANS-dresser. I saw a clip once on him arriving at a photo shoot. He arrived wearing a short mini-dress and big furry coat and his hair straightened.

Jenn
Kind of validates why I classify him as a crossdresser. Any guy wearing a mini skirt, fur coat etc as day to day clothing can be labeled CD. I've also seen pics of him (outside of work) wearing high heels, skirt etc. Not sure what else he would have to wear to be considered a crossdresser. Only debate is if he is actually trying to look like a woman...

[Shananigans]

High-fashion models are really interesting to me... They have to be some of the strangest looking people...I Rarely find them attractive. (This goes for the women AND the men). The high-fashion models of the 90s were so sexy to me. But, then, something happened...I think "waif" became the new "in" thing for high-fashion.

Anyway, I think what Andrej does as a model is really cool. Clothes look great on him because they hang on him as if his body was a clothes hanger.

But, I am really not sure if I am supposed to find this sexy: http://tribune.com.pk/story/102258/about-a-boy/

However, I am not really sure if I am supposed to find this sexy either (Kate Moss): http://www.thefader.com/2009/06/22/comments-kate-moss-worst-or-best-girlfriend-in-the-world/

I just look at her and want to give her a glass of buttermilk and cornbread. Poor, baby.

Really, the only models I find that are really sexy anymore are Victoria's Secret models, and that's not really "high-fashion." And, some of them are looking pretty bad. If I look at magazines from the 40s or even the 90s...I kind of get a little disappointed. It's like the opposite of the Butter Face effect. You can see a really fine girl and you will say, "Everything is cute...but her face." Well, the models now are kind of like, "Everything else looks f*cked up, but her face."

So, I think Andrej is great as a model. Sexy???? Errrrrmmmm....no...not really. I think half of the members in the Young Adult section of this forum have his ass kicked to Hell and back in the "looks" category. Maybe not in modeling, but definitely in just looking better.

But, I don't think high-fashion is so much about sex appeal, and so Andrej fits in great. He walks the walk and is a very interesting, dynamic person. But, stand him next to Cindy Crawford in the 90s, and it makes you want to pat him on the back and tell him it will all be alright. http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image/27043/cindy-crawford.htm

It's kind of weird that we have been moving to a state where women look more and more like prepubescent boys...that's kind of how modeling has turned. And, I find that the clothes look rather good still because they look the same on these models as they do on my hanger. I also am less distracted watching high-fashion shows than I have been when the models were really good looking. So, I feel like this is a plus. But, it is kind of interesting that instead of just starving women models into looking like prepubescent boys...we just place a starving male model with long hair into the role lol. Oh, society...you so cray cray... I'm sure in 5 years we will either a) have actual prepubescent boys on the catwalk or b) be back to hot women (TG and GG) and men (TG and GM) again.

Or, maybe I will dress Mr. Bones (the skeleton in my old anatomy lab) in underwear and a wig, then push him down the catwalk hehehe

[cracks_in_porcelain]

He is not a cross dresser. He's androgynous... If you look up the literal meaning of "Cross dresser" It says "A man that dresses to pass as a woman" There is no need top try to pass when you are naturally able and beautiful. I find him quite inspiring there are only a select few who are capable to work it out like that. If you look up his measurements he's 6'2, 30 waist, 190lbs and wears a size 11 in women's. Crazy right?

[Anna Abwaerts]

Victorias Secret models = Nay!
Secrets In Lace models = Yay!
Im talking not about the clothes in this example, I want a woman who is full bodied, large hips, I think this triggers something in my mind which says "she is fertile, healthy, will make good babies, get her". As for skinny models, I wont get this "trigger".

As for Andrej Pejic- I get the hype, there has to be first in everything, in music it was Lady Gaga, now Andrej reaps the cream of his lifestyle and what hes doing. But I also must say there are tons of no-name CDers on flickr that are gorgeous, definitely on-par with this, and even over (par).

[Shananigans]

Okay, I agree with Secrets in Lace....probably because I like vintage. Some of the girls are...err...pretty big. But, hey, we have the whole spectrum covered.

Damn, now I sound picky. Too skinny...too big. You can't make anyone happy.

But, honey, it wasn't Lady Gaga...it was Madonna!

Also, Andrej reminds me of that blonde TG from the Culture Club. They could be twins. So, I don't feel like his looks is anything new either.

But, if it gets people to be more open minded about TG modeling...hooray. But, I do wish we had more GGs and TG models that didn't look like they were in the Holocaust. I know it's great for the clothes...but...I honestly wait until I see celebrities that look a whole lot better in the clothes before I decide to shop for the style lol. I saw a model looking awful in a Valentino dress...then, Christina Agulera wore it. When I saw Christina in it, I had to have it! But, it ended up me having something a few thousand dollars cheaper but basically the same thing lol


Victorias Secret models = Nay!
Secrets In Lace models = Yay!
Im talking not about the clothes in this example, I want a woman who is full bodied, large hips, I think this triggers something in my mind which says "she is fertile, healthy, will make good babies, get her". As for skinny models, I wont get this "trigger".

As for Andrej Pejic- I get the hype, there has to be first in everything, in music it was Lady Gaga, now Andrej reaps the cream of his lifestyle and what hes doing. But I also must say there are tons of no-name CDers on flickr that are gorgeous, definitely on-par with this, and even over (par).

[Violetgray]

I find it amusing that people here disagree on whether a man wearing women's clothing is a crossdresser. To be a crossdresser, you need only wear the clothing of the opposite sex. Anything extra is just stereotyping. cracks_in_porcelain, I've NEVER seen that definition anywhere.

[larry]

An alternative revenue stream :lol2:

Good one Sammy Good one Sammy

[Jennifer8]

He's not a cross-dresser...he's a TRANS-dresser. He arrived wearing a short mini-dress and big furry coat

well Scott Weiland wears fur coats and stuff like that to is that the same?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/gtmossy/94xxxxpromomisc091zg-1.jpg

[Shananigans]

I don't know, but Scott Weiland is doing something very right. Something about him just gets me all...


And, don't get me started on Chris Cornell

[Sammy777]

If you look up the literal meaning of "Cross dresser" It says "A man that dresses to pass as a woman"

Actually the "literal" definition as found in the Merriam Webster dictionary defines Cross dressing (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cross-dressing) as: "the wearing of clothes designed for the opposite sex."
It mentions nothing about trying to look, act or emulate the opposite sex. http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt230/samanthaM76/open%20album/banghead.gif


But, then, something happened...I think "waif" became the new "in" thing for high-fashion.

So, I think Andrej is great as a model. Sexy???? Errrrrmmmm....no...not really.
I don't know, but Scott Weiland is doing something very right. Something about him just gets me all...

And, don't get me started on Chris Cornell

I have to agree that "Heroin Chic" can be down right nasty looking. Eat a sandwich already.

I think someone mistook Andrej for a girl at some point. Later found he was a guy. Shook their head.
Then figured out a way to market his middle of the road looks and sat back collecting their 15%

OHHHHH Chris Cornell
I think Chris could have gave Andrej a serious run for his money when he was younger. :D
Am I wrong or does young Chris below just walk all over young Andrej? :D

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt230/samanthaM76/open%20album/chrisc1.jpg

[Shananigans]

Chris did rock an androgynous look for a while. They look different to me, but they both have very nice facial features. I think Chris could pull off a feminine look...I could so make him over.

[Sophie_C]

I'm not quite sure if androgynous fully describes what he's doing (and he does identify as a man, mostly), since the mix is variable. If he was trans dressing or cross dressing, for example, he'd trim up his brows. He intentionally leaves them large so you never forget he's not a girl. And, there are other things beyond that. I'd say the closest word is "genderf*ck" along the lines of he is what he is, with masculine and feminine characteristics, and wears whatever works for his job, but that word is pretty hard and less "free" than what he's doing.

Personally, I do like the actions he's doing since the echos of runway always eventually make it to the runway, but obviously, I'd like to see a full-on femme look pulled off one of these days, since I think it would be flattering. He is a pioneer, in a sense, actually, truly using gender a construct and pulling it off in fashion, so that can only be good...

[ReineD]

Hmmm. My cynical side tells me that Andrej is transsexual, but got caught up in the androgynous whirlwind fueled by the fashion industry and the media. And people are fascinated with him (her). Isn't it a lot more interesting to read stories about one of the only people in the world who can pass as a beautiful woman, and still be gorgeous as a metrosexual-ish guy? It's a novelty. We're already had trans models on those model reality shows, and those stories are old hat compared to Andrej.

So, who wouldn't put their plans on a back burner for a few years, in order to enjoy the ride? :)

[Sammy777]

Hmmm. My cynical side tells me that Andrej is transsexual.

So, who wouldn't put their plans on a back burner for a few years, in order to enjoy the ride? :)

That is an interesting theory. Could very well be possible.

He reminds me of a member that was here - Charlie I think?
He/She flip flopped between genders as well but steered clear of using any labels.
College student, did some modeling as a girl.
Can someone help me out on this one because now it's bugging me?

Anyway, If I was young, looked as good as he does and were already able to easily float between genders that way and was collecting a fat paycheck to do it. Hell ya I would wait. Transition now no more paycheck. Wait a bit longer get rich, then transition and retire to someplace warm :D

[Sammy777]

I think Chris could pull off a feminine look...I could so make him over.

I can think of a few things Chris can pull off






with his teeth ;)






Runs away to get video from you tube :lol2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHwA76bsxJE

[Kendappa]

I am envious. That would be some much fun, and the money has to be really nice. Can you imagine someone wanting to pay you for crossdressing. *Sigh*

[alter_3]

Shiny, I really relate to your original point. That is, it is really interesting to me that a person could switch back and forth between roles and fit naturally into either. (At least I think that may have been your point!) This is really something I think about a lot, and relate to. The whole concept is what I aspire to. This shouldn't be confused with trying to be both sexes at once (i.e. like "Pat" on Saturday Night Live, if you saw that skit - lol). It's about being kind of gender neutral and being able to pull off either look/persona on any given day, depending on the situation/mood/whim.

There are compromises of course for people who want to go this route. The gender specific traits need to be minimal.

I think this is a bit different from androgyny, although androgyny is perhaps the basis. It seems to me that it is androgyny PLUS the characteristic of shifting slightly to either side to take on that persona for a time period.

I wish there was a better term. I suppose the old "gender bender" is one, but I'm never sure if that carries a negative connotation.

[Mollyanne]

I may be "a little thick" but what's he BIG DEAL here????? "If you wear clothes of the opposite gender then you are a crossdresser, this may be a broad very brief description but it is what it is!!!! Yes, he's beautiful!!!!!! Yes he can do a gender change in a blink of an eye but the fact is still the same, what's the big deal?????

Mollyanne

[Shananigans]

Hmmm. My cynical side tells me that Andrej is transsexual, but got caught up in the androgynous whirlwind fueled by the fashion industry and the media. And people are fascinated with him (her). Isn't it a lot more interesting to read stories about one of the only people in the world who can pass as a beautiful woman, and still be gorgeous as a metrosexual-ish guy? It's a novelty. We're already had trans models on those model reality shows, and those stories are old hat compared to Andrej.

So, who wouldn't put their plans on a back burner for a few years, in order to enjoy the ride? :)

Reine, I feel that you are probably right. I kind of wish he would come out with it! You read in some magazine that he feels like he is a girl sometimes...and, then in other magazine he says he is not a girl. Good grief. I think the fashion industry is twisting his arm.


I wish there was someone out there getting a lot of buzz and saying, "I'm TG...whatever."

I read the dimensions of Andrej posted by Cracks_in_Porcelain...and, my SO and were like, "Is this impressive???" We weren't sure. My SO is 6'1", 180 pounds, 30 inch waist, and a size 10/12 (depends on the brand). I think my SO needs to ride this train and go out there and just be out and out with saying she is TG lol. This is one of out get rich schemes.

[Sammy777]

I may be "a little thick" but what's he BIG DEAL here?????
Yes, he's beautiful!!!!!! Yes he can do a gender change in a blink of an eye but the fact is still the same, what's the big deal?????

The deal, or allure about him is that he can do just that. He is one stop shopping for a male and female model, lol. Part of it goes towards the wow or shock factor of using him as a female model is the reaction of people looking at him and going uhhhh, what, wait, that's a guy?
Take the enhancing bra ads, he brought a definite wow factor to the copy in showing that if it helped him, imagine what it will do for you. His agent has learned quickly how to market that quality in him to the masses

[Ally 2112]

Remember the 80's and boy george ? if you look at the last couple of vids of him he was almost totally passible .My point is i think it is a novelty but hey if it helps people aceppt a little bit ! it is good

[Leslie Langford]

I dunno - these two guys seem to pass very well...:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGCw20W1bI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rR7dq6S08

One is from a Czech television series, the other from a recent German movie.

No subtitles, but I'm sure all of you get the gist of what's going on there...:thumbsup:

Then, of course, there's always Dave Foley from the 1990's Canadian comedy series "Kids in the Hall"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRb80xzimE

In many ways, he's the gold standard when you also take into consideration his versatility.

And who can forget Christopher Morely in "Freebie and the Bean"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Vu0UPFnB8&feature=related

We should all be this passable... ;)

[Pythos]

I like this model, he is very much in my vein when it comes to preferred appearances, I have been told by women at the clubs I am very beautiful to look at, and fun to talk to. I no longer wear forms, nor modify my body in anyway. Much like Andre.

[Kate T]

Unfortunately I am with the cynics here. A recent documentary / short story on Andrej on oz TV by a very obscure taxpayer funded arts program ( you gotta love socialism hey guys!!) to be honest showed a young vulnerable man caught up in the hype of high fashion. I believe he (/she as during this program there was far more evidence of TS elements to his character) is a genuine person and I do hope he does not get chewed up and spat out by an industry so caught up in its own beautiful reflection it burns up the souls of those who are trapped by it.

[Leslie Langford]

Considering the kind of money that Andrei is making as s/he quickly ascends to "Supermodel" status - not to mention the almost universal adulation (shock and awe?, to co-opt a notorious saying) that s/he attracts as s/he basks in the proverbial 15 minutes of fame - I have a hard time seeing him/her as a victim.

He/she is milking this fascination with his/her androgyny for all it's worth, and I say "Good on you, Andrej". Most recently, s/he was also featured in a cover story in the February issue of Canada's Fashion magazine to almost universal acclaim:

http://www.fashionmagazine.com/blogs/fashion/2011/12/21/february-2012-table-of-contents/

Even better, s/he got to meet Britain's Queen Elizabeth last fall - by special invitation, no less, and also in en femme mode, I might add. Who said that the British monarchy was a fossilized relic and out of touch with today's reality? ;)

This is hardly the image of victimization, and we should all be lucky enough to be so revered and so well rewarded for our crossdressing inclinations and efforts...:eek: :heehee: :thumbsup: