Please remember that some of us do not identify as female crossdressers.

[GaleWarning]

With so many new people joining recently, it seems appropriate to inform those who may not be aware that it is presumptuous of them to begin a post using, "Hi girls" or something similar.

Many of us are not "girls" or "gurls". We are male crossdressers.

There are stickies dealing with this matter. Please read them and take note!

[Sally24]

If they are attempting to address everyone then you are right. If they identify as a girl and are addressing like minded people than addressing their post that way is entirely proper.

[Cassandra Lynn]

Ummm........for reals?

Could the op or anyone else point out these stickies for me or anything else in the rules/FAQs dealing with this, cause i could not find it.

Yeah, i understand that it is somewhat assumptive in nature and misses a few folks, but.......
I mean other than saying "hello membership", i suppose there is this, "hello all MtFs, FtMs, GGs, TSs, TGs, GQs, ISs, it is sure nice to be here".

Hmmmm, seems like another case of political correctness beating down the human spirit.

[AliceMeetsTheWizard]

I agree to a point. I don't know that I will eer say "hey girls", but if it makes the people who say it happy? Why take that from them? And it does make me feel a little like part of a "group" I must admit. I guess what I'm saying is what's the harm?

[ReineD]

With so many new people joining recently, it seems appropriate to inform those who may not be aware that it is presumptuous of them to begin a post using, "Hi girls" or something similar.

Many of us are not "girls" or "gurls". We are male crossdressers.

There are stickies dealing with this matter. Please read them and take note!

We have a rule in place somewhere, about not addressing posts to any specific gender in the forum sections that are frequented by all genders, such as Intros, Special Events, Loved Ones, Classified, etc, in short any section that is not specifically gender designated (like transmen, FAB, and M2F). I also believe the Body Issues section is for whoever has body questions, F2M & M2F.

If you see anyone addressing their posts, "Hi girls" in any of the non-gender-specific sections, please feel free to report the posts. It will only take a second for a mod to remove the "hi girls". We do this frequently.

But, if you object to a "hi girls" greeting in the M2F, please be reminded that M2F is short for "male to female", and there is really no other word than "female" to describe the gender that a GM crossdresser aims to present as. Even though a CDer may not identify as a female when he dresses, he presents as one (there are always exceptions to this of course, but most do here, according to the Gallery pics and most avatars), and it is, after all, polite to address someone in the gender they are presenting.

Edit Clayfish ... even your own avatar is clearly a girl! :)

[Pinky188]

Can I remind everyone here, that this section of the forum is Male To Female! Come on! This is is where the girls hang out and chit chat about things! If you dont want to see the words "hey girls" then go to the female to male section of the forum. Are you with me girls?

[Asche]

Speaking for myself, I don't like hearing the word "girl" used to refer to anyone except a human female under the age of about 18 or 21.

When people call adult women "girls," it always sounds like they don't take them seriously, like they're saying, "there, there, go back and play with your dolls." It's sort of like calling an African-American man "boy." And I'm not alone in this -- over the past 40+ years, I've heard an awful lot of women say they hear it as a put-down. If you do this, especially if you're male -- and a lot of GMs here at CD.com do it -- you're being sexist.

When people, especially males, call males "girls," it's usually intended as an insult. Back when I was growing up, I had people say, "what are you, some kind of girl?" to me often enough (and, no I wasn't CDing then), and I heard a lot of other boys called the same thing, and it was not a complement. 50 years have passed, and, outside CDing circles, it's still always meant as an insult. It's also a misogynistic insult, since it's based on the idea that female-ness is something disgusting or shameful. In other words, it's a two-for-the-price-of-one insult: it insults the man, but it also insults all women at the same time.

I'm sure that lots of CDs are going to try to tell me that they don't mean anything negative by calling CDs "girls." But I've seen too much evidence that a lot of CDs at some level hate their "girlishness," even while they are revelling in trying to be as "feminine" as they can be, and that's what I hear when CDs here say "girls." Besides, if you really aren't sexist or misogynistic, why make it sound like you are?

Now I've said my piece. I'm not the language police, and I'm not going to call you out if you call yourselves, or other CDs, or your SOs, or the GFs here "girls". But you know what i'll be thinking.

[Kelly DeWinter]

I've been known to identify as as a 'bi-fricated-multi-bivalved-xeno-morphic-triscatialian', allthough I have wondered from time to time what someone who idetifies as a male crossdresser would like to be called. In public would it be a feminine pronoun or not ? I do know we have some here who present as male, just dressed as female. So i can understand the desire for male pronouns. Anyone ?

[Eryn]

Thank you, Reine, for clarifying that. I was aware that there was some concern about this and have usually used a generic "hello all" when in doubt.

I don't get too up in arms when someone makes a minor pronoun gaffe. We create a very muddy situation when we wander across gender lines and it's to be expected that occasionally one of us will slip in that mud. I think that reasonable people should rise above such minor issues.

[whowhatwhen]

So what now, "Hi women!"?
Is there a problem with "girlfriend" or "boyfriend"?

I'm pro PC but this is a bit much...

[Pinky188]

Speaking for myself, I don't like hearing the word "girl" used to refer to anyone except a human female under the age of about 18 or 21.

When people call adult women "girls," it always sounds like they don't take them seriously, like they're saying, "there, there, go back and play with your dolls." It's sort of like calling an African-American man "boy." And I'm not alone in this -- over the past 40+ years, I've heard an awful lot of women say they hear it as a put-down. If you do this, especially if you're male -- and a lot of GMs here at CD.com do it -- you're being sexist.

When people, especially males, call males "girls," it's usually intended as an insult. Back when I was growing up, I had people say, "what are you, some kind of girl?" to me often enough (and, no I wasn't CDing then), and I heard a lot of other boys called the same thing, and it was not a complement. 50 years have passed, and, outside CDing circles, it's still always meant as an insult. It's also a misogynistic insult, since it's based on the idea that female-ness is something disgusting or shameful. In other words, it's a two-for-the-price-of-one insult: it insults the man, but it also insults all women at the same time.

I'm sure that lots of CDs are going to try to tell me that they don't mean anything negative by calling CDs "girls." But I've seen too much evidence that a lot of CDs at some level hate their "girlishness," even while they are revelling in trying to be as "feminine" as they can be, and that's what I hear when CDs here say "girls." Besides, if you really aren't sexist or misogynistic, why make it sound like you are?

Now I've said my piece. I'm not the language police, and I'm not going to call you out if you call yourselves, or other CDs, or your SOs, or the GFs here "girls". But you know what i'll be thinking.
WOW! You would really be offened if you hung out with me and my friends who call each other tranny girl! Come on! Get out of the dark ages! We are all self impowering girls here! And I use that term in the most respectable way! Its not demeaning to call your female friend girl! Its like guys calling each other dude! You have to loosen up and quit worring so much and have fun with life! And like I said in my previous post, this is the male to FEMALE part of the forum so hearing people say "hey girl" should not offend you here!

[darla_g]

I suppose since i am on a CD web site, I don't have a problem being addressed in the female form. I always get a chuckle out of everyone referring to "she"

[docrobbysherry]

The thing is, if you're a CD like me, at first u may be uncomfortable referring to others here as, "Girls, ladies, etc.". I certainly was on arriving here! But, u don't have to do that yourself! They're YOUR posts after all!

However, if u object to us referring to u as a, "Girl, etc.", you'll probably get used to it! As I have! Or, u may wish to move to another forum? I see it now as a form of endearment!

[kimdl93]

I have no objection to being referred to as a girl woman or she. I rather like it.

[TxKimberly]

Seems to me we could just about fill the forum with nothing but posts along these lines:
"I don't like being called this", "I don't like being called that", "I dont fall into this category, or that category"
My rule of thumb is that I try to only be offended if someone intends to offend me.
For example, a FTM posting something along the lines of "Hi guys!" would not offend me because there would be no intent to be offensive.
A troll coming into the forum and making a post like "Hey DUDES!" would really piss me off though, because he meant it to be offensive and mean.
In a forum like this, you cant have one rule fits all, and you are bound to read things that irritate you. You are gonna spend a lot of time being irritated if you choose to be offended when there is no intent behind it.

[cdkateinboston]

Can I remind everyone here, that this section of the forum is Male To Female! Come on!
I have to agree with this sentiment in regards to the original post. I tend to identify a little more with my masculine side then my feminne, but being referred to as she is certainly a nice pick-me-up. Which is the other part of the original post that caught my attention and that was the level of politcal correctness is sometimes a bit much. Certainly, if someone began the post that way in a deiberate attempt to rub some the wrong way, then by all means it should be addressed. But the manner that it appears to be written, particularly in the male to female lobby, seems to be a completely appropriate way to begin an address to the population of this lobby.

[Paulette]

As much hard work as I have put into blending as a woman you can call be girl all day long , in fact I would be offended if you called me anything other than a girl.

[Jessika]

I have to agree with the girls here, lol. I don't come to this forum to be my male self, I am Jessika here. Hear me roar!

[ReineD]

I do know we have some here who present as male, just dressed as female. So i can understand the desire for male pronouns. Anyone ?

I agree, but I think it's pretty safe to say the majority of the M2Fs here do wish to present as women when they dress (no matter how they identify)? Even outside this forum, in my SO's largish TG support group, there is only one person who presents as a male (with a beard) in a dress. I doubt he (or she?) would feel insulted if someone addressed the entire TG support group members with, "hi girls".

But, if someone does not want to frequent a forum where the majority do present as women, I know there are forums out there for men who like to wear skirts as men. I've visited them.

I dare say that most members here who go out, would feel insulted if they were referred to as a "he" while dressed?

[Barbara Ella]

Sorry, but i cannot bring myself to refer to the members as "Howdy Dudes in dresses." If you have adopted a female name, if you dress and present and take pictures, and use female avatars, you are female while you are here. What you are on your time is your business, but dont give me a female picture and resent being referred to as girl. This is a friendly place, and friendly women refer to each other as girls all the time.

The reference to use of "boy" is an example. Black to black it is used all the time, and worse are used as familiar greetings among like minded people. Girl is merely indicative that we are all friends here, we are all dressing as females (some more serious than others, but still the same) and I intend to be as friendly as I can be, and want all to be friendly with me. I am one of the girls when I am here. What i am when I log off is no ones business, and I would never call you girl if i met you in person, that would be presumptuous.

Have fun, be my friend

Barbara

[Pinky188]

sorry, but i cannot bring myself to refer to the members as "howdy dudes in dresses." if you have adopted a female name, if you dress and present and take pictures, and use female avatars, you are female while you are here. What you are on your time is your business, but dont give me a female picture and resent being referred to as girl. This is a friendly place, and friendly women refer to each other as girls all the time.

The reference to use of "boy" is an example. Black to black it is used all the time, and worse are used as familiar greetings among like minded people. Girl is merely indicative that we are all friends here, we are all dressing as females (some more serious than others, but still the same) and i intend to be as friendly as i can be, and want all to be friendly with me. I am one of the girls when i am here. What i am when i log off is no ones business, and i would never call you girl if i met you in person, that would be presumptuous.

Have fun, be my friend

barbara

like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BrendaAlexandra]

... Are you with me girls?

Yes, this girl is with you!

[Crissy Kay]

Can I remind everyone here, that this section of the forum is Male To Female! Come on! This is is where the girls hang out and chit chat about things! If you dont want to see the words "hey girls" then go to the female to male section of the forum. Are you with me girls?

Right On Pinky!!! While I am here I am one of the "girls"!!! I spend more time then I want to being a guy everyday. This is my girltime, no matter how I am dressed!!

[Pinky188]

Right On Pinky!!! While I am here I am one of the "girls"!!! I spend more time then I want to being a guy everyday. This is my girltime, no matter how I am dressed!!

All my girls are with me! I love that!!!!! Go girl power!

[Kerigirl2009]

I cannot believe tht this would be an issue here of all places!! I love being called a girl or wman or even sweety!!!

[Taylermade]

people are getting offended if someone happens to say "hi gurls"? Wow, people these days are so damn sensitive.

Here is a thought, just ignore it and move on with life. I would say in all honesty the majority on this site would probably classify themselves as "gurls".
So perhaps those others are OUTnumbered more than likely if I had to guess. Nothing wrong with identifying yourself as a male cd, but don't be so picky.

[Diane Smith]

What Eryn said, 100%. I try to save my outrage for meaningful issues.

- Diane

[Rachel Renee]

Sorry, but i cannot bring myself to refer to the members as "Howdy Dudes in dresses." If you have adopted a female name, if you dress and present and take pictures, and use female avatars, you are female while you are here. What you are on your time is your business, but dont give me a female picture and resent being referred to as girl. This is a friendly place, and friendly women refer to each other as girls all the time.

The reference to use of "boy" is an example. Black to black it is used all the time, and worse are used as familiar greetings among like minded people. Girl is merely indicative that we are all friends here, we are all dressing as females (some more serious than others, but still the same) and I intend to be as friendly as I can be, and want all to be friendly with me. I am one of the girls when I am here. What i am when I log off is no ones business, and I would never call you girl if i met you in person, that would be presumptuous.

Have fun, be my friend

Barbara
My sentiments, exactly.

[BillieJoEllen]

For what its worth to be addressed as a girl, lady, woman is a bit of a confidence builder for me. Seems way too many things are falling into the pc realm these days.

[Eryn]

I recall one of the first times I was out dressed, I was shopping a jewelery kiosk with a CDing friend. The salesgirl walked up and said "Hi guys, anything I can show you?" :eek:

Nope, she probably hadn't made us. GGs occasionally refer to each other as "guys!" If they can handle it, I can too.

[KellyJameson]

I prefer the intimacy of using someones first name when addressing them and to further that intimacy I honor their own individuality by giving them latitude to be themselves in whatever form that takes when communicating with me without fear of my becoming judgemental so call me what you will just do it with tenderness please.

Having lived a life filled with oppression, ridicule, rejection, humiliation, cruely, condemnation, ,physical violence and or threat of, ect... for simply not being manly enough to suit others tastes seems to have had the strange effect of making me very tolerant toward giving others the freedom to live in peace.

[JessHaust]

....But I've seen too much evidence that a lot of CDs at some level hate their "girlishness," even while they are revelling in trying to be as "feminine" as they can be, ...
Really? What evidence? I know many Crossdressers in person, and read the posts of tons more, and although some fear exposure, I've never seen and evidence that we "hate" our "girlishnese".
I love mine, and am proud to be called 'Girl'.

[Jeanna]

With so many new people joining recently, it seems appropriate to inform those who may not be aware that it is presumptuous of them to begin a post using, "Hi girls" or something similar.

Many of us are not "girls" or "gurls". We are male crossdressers.

There are stickies dealing with this matter. Please read them and take note!

Really? Take note, most of us do present as females, as you do as depicted in your avatar. Good grief Charlie Brown, this is a MTF thread that you are posting in.

[Foxglove]

"Girls" can be used as a friendly form of address for GG's, just as men often call themselves "boys". I haven't often heard some guy say to his mates, "See you later, men!" But I've heard plenty of men say "boys" or "guys" or "mates" or what have you.

I remember once greeting a group of GG's by saying, "Hi, girls!" And then I corrected myself: "Oh, excuse me. Women! I wouldn't want to be accused of sexism." And they just laughed. Calling women "girls" is being friendly, not sexist, if you're being friendly.

As for me, I've started saying, "Hi, Guys and Girls!" when I start a thread. If there are some who prefer to be addressed as "guys" on this forum, they're included, and those who prefer to be addressed as girls are included. So it seems a good solution to me.

As for me, I'm a girl on this forum, whatever about life on the outside. But recently I was addressed as "Annabelle" by a friend, and it didn't bother me the least bit. Made me wish I'd heard more of it in my life.

Best wishes, Annabelle

[muzzy]

You can call me girlie,girl and gurl if you like ,just don't call me late for a date xoxo

[Jocelyn Quivers]

Count me in as one of the girls "girlfriends!" No matter how mannish I might happen to be!

[Julie Martin]

To each their own. Seems like much ado about nothing to me..but then, what do I know. I'm a guy. Girl? Gurl? Whatever :-). Have a great day, people!

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

As someone whose avatar is usually a picture of me in boy mode, and whose general mode of presentation is usually male, I have no problem being lumped in with the girls. After all, for years now I've heard groups including and sometimes even exclusively comprised women referred to as "you guys," and it doesn't seem to be a huge issue. In Spanish and I assume a lot of other languages, you always default to the masculine pronouns whenever there are any men involved it seems, so I just view this board as the opposite of that, here we default to female because of the nature of the board. And, I always want to be "of the the girls" the same way plenty of girls I know are happy to be "one of the guys."

Having said that, I definitely get annoyed when people insist on using the feminine pronouns when referring to someone who is specifically not presenting as female. Such as Eddie Izzard which I've seen and Andrej Pejic, which is a little more understandable but technically incorrect.

Clayfish I do agree with Reine though that you confuse the matter by having an extremely girly avatar. There's nothing wrong with Tinkerbell, she's a favorite of my youngest niece, but it definitely shapes the way people think of you when you post.

[Imeni]

Is this seriously an issue needed to be brought up? Seems like someone is being overly sensitive... o.o Speaking as a Man who looks the least feminine you can be in a dress, I would feel a little wierd if someone started referring to me as "Maam, sweety, girl or hun", mostly due to the fact that I wont ever look like I do in my head. Which is why I prefer the gender neutral, "Dude" or, with my very old friends, "B-man". It has nothing to do with sexism, or whatever nonsense was spouted here. I've never seen the term "ladies or girls" in the start of a thread used with a negative feeling behind it, so why poke a bear that has no issue with the actual stick. Sort of feels like someone is stirring up the hornet's nest just to watch the hornets get pissed off.

But thats my two sense. Too bad a couple of pennies don't amount to much these days. ;)

[Diane Elizabeth]

I only read a few of the responses here and it was making me PO'd. I am sooooo tired of all this political correctness everywhere I go. If you (those that take offense) aren't happy being addressed as "girls" here then skip the posts and read the ones that are addressed to you. I understand that feelings can be hurt but no one should be taking offense of how a letter or a post is addressed to greater population. This website is open to a wide variety of people FtM, MtF,

[Sara Jessica]

I dare to say that those who share OP's POV are in the minority in the MTF section.

If one ID's as a CD'er, they are more likely than not to take on a feminine persona when dressing. If one is like myself who identifies on the TS end of the spectrum, my persona is what it is, 100% female. But regardless, it would be rude to refer to either camp as male.


Speaking for myself, I don't like hearing the word "girl" used to refer to anyone except a human female under the age of about 18 or 21.

When people call adult women "girls," it always sounds like they don't take them seriously, like they're saying, "there, there, go back and play with your dolls." It's sort of like calling an African-American man "boy." And I'm not alone in this -- over the past 40+ years, I've heard an awful lot of women say they hear it as a put-down. If you do this, especially if you're male -- and a lot of GMs here at CD.com do it -- you're being sexist.

When people, especially males, call males "girls," it's usually intended as an insult. Back when I was growing up, I had people say, "what are you, some kind of girl?" to me often enough (and, no I wasn't CDing then), and I heard a lot of other boys called the same thing, and it was not a complement. 50 years have passed, and, outside CDing circles, it's still always meant as an insult. It's also a misogynistic insult, since it's based on the idea that female-ness is something disgusting or shameful. In other words, it's a two-for-the-price-of-one insult: it insults the man, but it also insults all women at the same time.

I'm sure that lots of CDs are going to try to tell me that they don't mean anything negative by calling CDs "girls." But I've seen too much evidence that a lot of CDs at some level hate their "girlishness," even while they are revelling in trying to be as "feminine" as they can be, and that's what I hear when CDs here say "girls." Besides, if you really aren't sexist or misogynistic, why make it sound like you are?

Now I've said my piece. I'm not the language police, and I'm not going to call you out if you call yourselves, or other CDs, or your SOs, or the GFs here "girls". But you know what i'll be thinking.

I was called out on using the term girls several years ago in another forum. IIRC, it was for my use of the term "gg", that the "girl" in girls carried the very perceptions you are talking about along with the fact that how do we truly know one is "genetic" (oh please)? I pointed out many areas where natal females often use the term "girl". A perfect example is "girls night out" but regardless, I hear it used weekly, whether from my wife, our friends or colleagues at work. Hearing it used in a general sense in pages such as these doesn't bother me although personally, I rarely use the term "gg" and instead default to natal female out of respect for the woman who originally called me out.

The CD'er going a bit over the top with the usage of the term "girl" is more likely than not very harmless and is not necessarily a symptom of any sort of misogyny. Instead, I often see it as arising out of behavior befitting a teenager who is finding her way in the world. Granted, we are likely talking about an adult male who is coming to terms with his CD'ing and/or exploring methods of expression but either way, when one puts it into context and assuming there is no overt misogynistic statements, it really is rather harmless and not worth too much effort to worry about. If anything, it often comes across as fake or contrived but again, I try not to read too much into it.

[Sarasometimes]

Exactly PINKY! I'm with you GIRL/GURL. to those offended Lighten up! You are in "male to FEMALE Crossdressing", when in Rome..... With all the things we have to worry about I'm stumped how a friendly greeting offends you?
Here is my PC closing: bye girls, guys, gurls, ladies, gentlemen, bros, he/shes, she/hes, all y'alls, senora, senors, comrades, madames, mademoiselles, misseurs...sorry if I missed someone but I ran out of time.

[HannahF6]

I'm also one of the girls on this issue.

Hannah

[Renee W]

When I am on this site, I am Renee, so therefore I have no issue being lumped into a classification of 'girls'.

Out of curiosity, I looked up the defintion of some of the terms mentioned above in the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary and here is what I found:

Girl-
a : a female child from birth to adulthood
b : daughter
c : a young unmarried woman
d (sometimes offensive) : a single or married woman of any age
Guy-
a : man, fellow
b : person —used in plural to refer to the members of a group regardless of sex

[Wonderwho]

I have seen less of a heated response to far more important posts. We all go by names we relate to and if you are not pleased by Girl then you might want to take a closer look at the site you are on an why you are here!

[Cheryl T]

I certainly hope I don't look like a man....so please, do call me a girl!

[LeannL]

For the record, you can call me anything you want as long as you don't call me late for breakfast :)

Leann

[kymmieLorain]

So what is the forum getting politically correct? Come on people get a life. If you are presenting yourself as a female, I believe being called a girl would be a compliment. If we still had polls on here we could vote on it. This IS America land of free speech and that right is protected by the Constitution of the Untied States of America. Further more, I will address whom ever as I feel fit. If you do not like it, don't read my posts.

Off my soap box, LOL

Kymmie

[minalost]

Seems to me we could just about fill the forum with nothing but posts along these lines:
"I don't like being called this", "I don't like being called that", "I dont fall into this category, or that category"
My rule of thumb is that I try to only be offended if someone intends to offend me.
For example, a FTM posting something along the lines of "Hi guys!" would not offend me because there would be no intent to be offensive.
A troll coming into the forum and making a post like "Hey DUDES!" would really piss me off though, because he meant it to be offensive and mean.
In a forum like this, you cant have one rule fits all, and you are bound to read things that irritate you. You are gonna spend a lot of time being irritated if you choose to be offended when there is no intent behind it.

YES!!!!!! You said it perfectly! Now I'll read the rest...

[Lorileah]

i believe the Admin tried to stop this address a year or more ago. The thing is it tends to marginalize certain people. I get that.

Count me as the one who doesn't like "Gurls" or Gurlz" as I find it rather silly and inane. Otherwise, when you address a member here who presents as female, then Ladies, Girls, etc seems OK. I do think girls is sort of degrading to anyone under say 18. There are certain words or phrases that can express paternalism or can express a "higher than thou" position. Boy has pretty much been dropped from daily language as it often meant subservient male (in many races).

All that said, I don't care, I usually skip over the greetings that say "Girls" or similar just as I skip over letters that come in the mail that say "Greetings". I wonder if you visit a biker forum if they address each other as "Hey Bikers!" or a modelers section as "Hey you people who like to make little things". All in all it just seems silly.

[JessHaust]

i believe the Admin tried to stop this address a year or more ago. The thing is it tends to marginalize certain people. I get that.

Count me as the one who doesn't like "Gurls" or Gurlz" as I find it rather silly and inane. Otherwise, when you address a member here who presents as female, then Ladies, Girls, etc seems OK. I do think girls is sort of degrading to anyone under say 18. There are certain words or phrases that can express paternalism or can express a "higher than thou" position. Boy has pretty much been dropped from daily language as it often meant subservient male (in many races).

All that said, I don't care, I usually skip over the greetings that say "Girls" or similar just as I skip over letters that come in the mail that say "Greetings". I wonder if you visit a biker forum if they address each other as "Hey Bikers!" or a modelers section as "Hey you people who like to make little things". All in all it just seems silly.

Lori, I agree with you completely. I have no problems with Girl, Lady etc. But there is just something about Gurl that rubs me wrong.

[Sally24]

As a husband and a father to a 30 something daughter I here "girls" used by GGs all the time. If it was a male using it to cis females then maybe it would be improper.

[ReineD]

Maybe it's regional thing, but my girlfriends and I usually say, "Aw, c'mon you guys!", whether we are addressing men or women, although if I'm describing an evening out with my girlfriends, I'll call it "the girls' night out".

I tend to use, "Ladies, " a lot here though, in the FAB forum. I would feel silly saying "you guys" to the FABs here for some reason. :p

I also don't like the misspelling "gurls/gurlz" or for the FtMs, "bois/boyz". It has a "not quite" connotation about it, as in "not quite a girl or not quite a guy, so let's misspell the word to reflect this".

[Eryn]

...there is just something about Gurl that rubs me wrong.

Me too, girls, likely because I'm a bit of a spelling nazi. I can live with it, but I work so hard to be perceived as a girl that I don't really want to distinguish myself as something different.

[Lorenqt]

I have no problem being called a girl. Honestly I'd rather bea a girl than a guy any day.

[Laura-uk]

I agree that it's all pollitical correctness gone mad, if you travel to my part of the world, shop staff etc may address you as "duck" this offends some but tough, if your closed minded then stick to closed minded interests & use tunnel vision. No one intends to offend, you should learn to take things with a pinch of salt & move on!, gurl x

[prettytoes]

I am obviously "a man in a skirt". I do not attempt to present as a female...my mustache kind of hampers my passing! I simply like the look and feel of women's clothing on me.
I have no problem with posts being started with "hi girls", etc. It's all part of the fun of being here; kind of the spirit of the forum. Seems like someone is just wound a bit too tight! Lighten up; life's too short to be so uptight!

[az_azeel]

and im saying that the thread has run its course.... there is only one section where there is a sticky referring to starting threads with "Hi girls" or similiar and that is the lounge....

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?156785-Notice..-about-Girls-Youtube-Videos-and-section-Reminder

just incase its missed.....

[Tamara Croft]

i believe the Admin tried to stop this address a year or more ago. The thing is it tends to marginalize certain people. I get that.

I know this is a closed thread, but I just wanted to correct you Lori... it was addressed in the lounge, not any part of the MTF section at all and it's also been addressed in the young members section, that's all.