sometimes a nice girl, sometimes a sl*t

[Abbygirl]

I find that sometimes I like to be the "good girl", wearing long dresses/skirts with my hair up, small earrings and modest makeup, but many times I get off on being the sl*t- short tight skirts, big forms with protruding nipples, BIG hair, chunky jewelry, way too much makeup and half a bottle of perfume.

Anyone else tend to waft back and forth with their look like this? Just wondering...

background info: my CD'ing occurs entirely within the confines of my house or my girlfriend's house (except for on Halloween) so it's entirely fantasy for me. I don't need to pass.

[Miss Mandy]

I know exactly what you mean...see my posting in the picture and video forum- "Miss Jessica minus 40"

[Ramie]

I know exactly what you mean, the micro minis showing off the legs with the heels, but I've gone in to a long flowing skirt phase. A lot of it for me is the lingerie. With the longer skirts it's hidden, think naughty librarian. With the short ones, well I have to watch how I walk sit and go up stairs!

[Beverley Sims]

Been there done that and like you only at home.
It is fun being off with the fairies when I can find the time but these days there are new interests like trying to blend in and interact with the women.
Women rarely want to talk about erotic fantasies that I was interested in.

[Kate Simmons]

Not really Hon. I'm only "loose" with the people I care about.:)

[Traceyjo]

I'm just like you Abby, I love the excitement of dressing as sexy as I can, very short tight dresses or skirts, heels, lots of jewellry, long hair, wanting to feel I could arouse a good looking guy but I also enjoy the much more conservative look of a just a lady around the house, feeling contentedly feminine,

[Yoku Shoujo]

One of my favorite things to do is to dress really sexy: micro mini skirt with a cute thong showing, tiny cropped tube top with a bra (unfortunately I am forced to use water balloons for the breasts until I can build up the money (and courage!) to get the real things) and my black wig (hoping to get a blond one soon as well) and go for a walk down a road that has a lot of truck traffic and tease the truckers ;)
But usually i'm fine in just some 00 skinny jeans which I am perfectly comfortable wearing around my family and in some cases when I go out.

[Ramie]

The micro mini thong combo I only wear at home for modesty! I am proud of my legs and tushie, but have not been out and about, I'm still in the closet so I pretty much wear what I want when I can.

[Tina B.]

I'm not out, but do love to wear mini skirts even at my age, when it's hot out. I mostly wear very Conservative styles, but then every now and then I dig out that big bra, tight short skirt, and low cut top, just for the fun of it.
Tina B.

[Britney Johnson]

Hi... It is impossible for a girl to not want to feel sexy vs pretty sometimes. I always enjoy looking and feeling as sexy as I can. To me it is just that ultra femininity that keeps me going back for more. I always "try" to pass, as much as I can. Looking and feeling sexy I think helps me maintain that high energy feeling when I am at home or out with the girls. There is nothing in life that I want more. Hugz Sweety... Hot n Sexy is always the best...lol

[Brenda Freeman]

I have the same interests. I love dressing up in nice outfits and looking feminine and I love putting on garters nylons and looking and feeling sexy. I have always loved looking at women in nylons and garters and see them as sexy and in control, powerful. I feel that way when I dress that way. Love when I combine both wearing nylons and garters and lingerie under a modet dress. Best of both worlds!

[Babeba]

One of my favorite things to do is to dress really sexy: micro mini skirt with a cute thong showing, tiny cropped tube top with a bra (unfortunately I am forced to use water balloons for the breasts until I can build up the money (and courage!) to get the real things) and my black wig (hoping to get a blond one soon as well) and go for a walk down a road that has a lot of truck traffic and tease the truckers ;)
But usually i'm fine in just some 00 skinny jeans which I am perfectly comfortable wearing around my family and in some cases when I go out.

I hope you live somewhere that prostitution is legal so that when you get assaulted you have at least half a chance of turning to the state for help.

[SANDRA MICHELLE]

I also like the less than demure look from time to time. My wife says all my shoes are ***** shoes, I just don't know what she's talking about,LOL!!! I have a couple of dresses that are way to short and way too young for me but I wear them just the same.

[Stephanie47]

Everything sounds cool! However, hold up on dumping toooooo much perfume on your lovely body. A lot of people are sensitive and allergic to the scent. Ever trapped in an elevator with an elderly lady wearing too much lavender? Yuck! Otherwise, just make sure you have pretty panties on! :)

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Abby, Oh well it's who we are and it's what we do.

The only rule is there are no rules.

[Sandra]

One of my favorite things to do is to dress really sexy: micro mini skirt with a cute thong showing, tiny cropped tube top with a bra (unfortunately I am forced to use water balloons for the breasts until I can build up the money (and courage!) to get the real things) and my black wig (hoping to get a blond one soon as well) and go for a walk down a road that has a lot of truck traffic and tease the truckers ;)


...and people wonder why the public have such a bad view on the trans community.

[Babeba]

...and people wonder why the public have such a bad view on the trans community.

It took me a while to figure out why Germaine Greer had a problem with the T community... This does clean that up, though.

[whowhatwhen]

...and people wonder why the public have such a bad view on the trans community.

I think it's another one of those 'whatever floats your boat' things which isn't going to be limited to crossdressers.
We all have our kinks, TG or not.

Edit:
Not talking about the trucker thing, that's a bit unsafe no matter what gender you are.
But fantasies are harmless anyway so meh.

[Shananigans]

Do you also watch a lot of porn? Lol jk...sort of...a little TMI, if you will.

I feel sexy when I dress sexy...but I don't get off to myself, nor do I get off to the image of myself. Dressing "****ty" in the bedroom is just a way to boost my confidence, feel good, and look nice for my SO. I guess it could be considered "feeling ****ty" if sleeping with the guy you are dating is ****ty. (?)

In general, if I am out in public, I like to be subtle but sexy. I can show off my curves and some cleavage without showing off all my goods to the world. I don't want to send the wrong impressions and, in general, mystery is a little sexy. ;) I'd say dressing around the house for your SO isn't very ****ty. If you went out dressed with your nipples showing and your underwear hanging out, I would probably just think you are kind desperate. If you dressed that way and got off on the thought/image of yourself dressed ****ty, I'd just say you are kind of narcissistic.

So, that's kind of how it works for me inside and outside of the house.

[Sandra]

What people wear inside their own home is up to them, but I'm sorry to dress like Yoku Shoujo has said she dresses, and to go outside dressed like that is given the community a bad name.

[Shananigans]

What people wear inside their own home is up to them, but I'm sorry to dress like Yoku Shoujo has said she dresses, and to go outside dressed like that is given the community a bad name.

Is this example the first (or, even last) example of what is giving the TG community a bad name?

I have never seen anyone dress like that...we don't even dress like that for foam parties. I suspect people exaggerate heavily. The typical "Row Ho" that hangs out at my SO's fraternity house doesn't even wear that. Although, she was stuck in the 90s a bit with these cut-off shirts that showed her stomach...it was cute until the drinking caught up with her and she was sporting a beer gut. She was rocking the cut-off top, blue eyeshadow, and f*cked up hair until she realized the guys saw her as disposable (they slept with her, but she was never taken to formal or anything), and the sorority girls laughed in her face when she rushed. She calmed down quite a bit and cleaned up and told me she wanted to rush my sorority, but the damage was kind of done. I'm only one person, and I'm only one vote. So, she is kind of alienated by women and the guys could give a sh*t less. Her ****tiness and attire were short-lived.

My point is that most people either exaggerate, or when their appearances back fire they clean up. (AKA they learn better). I am not sure all CDs learn, but I am not sure how many go out on a regular basis (especially, dressed like a crack wh*re).

[Sandra]

Is this example the first (or, even last) example of what is giving the TG community a bad name?



Of course it's not, it's just one of many, but that's for another thread :) As for seeing people from the trans community dressed liked this, yes I have out and about in public at a TG event in Manchester where a lot of the event is outside, and where joe public is also out and about mingling. I've also been sat having a drink in a hotel, turned and got a face full of bare arse cheeks :eek: not a pretty site.

[Stephanie Mancini]

Been dressing nowfor 40 years and i would love to say i dress classicaly but on the otherhand the picture albums from the past tell an entirely different story , its all part of the journey and learning curve we are all on and this place is the crossroads we meet to share it all wether with words or with images


Stephanie

[Silentpartner GG SO]

What people wear inside their own home is up to them, but I'm sorry to dress like Yoku Shoujo has said she dresses, and to go outside dressed like that is given the community a bad name.

I have to agree with you Sandra - and to be honest ***tty dressed CD'ers may feel sexy dressed like that but I seriously doubt they look the least bit sexy to anyone else other than themselves in their own mirrors - its amazing how sexy one can look through rose coloured spectacles.

[Shananigans]

Of course it's not, it's just one of many, but that's for another thread :) As for seeing people from the trans community dressed liked this, yes I have out and about in public at a TG event in Manchester where a lot of the event is outside, and where joe public is also out and about mingling. I've also been sat having a drink in a hotel, turned and got a face full of bare arse cheeks :eek: not a pretty site.

Well, I hope you said something along the lines of, "Oh, wow, I think I can see what you have had to eat tonight!" Or, perhaps, "I think you missed a spot shaving...right cheek." Or, even, "Do you know they can bleach that thing now? Something to consider for your next outfit!"

Bare a$$ can really ruin a good drink...and, a good chair. Subtle b*tchiness might make a point and introduce them to the world of how women subtly scold other women.

[Babeba]

I think it's another one of those 'whatever floats your boat' things which isn't going to be limited to crossdressers.
We all have our kinks, TG or not.

Edit:
Not talking about the trucker thing, that's a bit unsafe no matter what gender you are.
But fantasies are harmless anyway so meh.

Perpetuating sexual objectification of a group of people isn't particularly harmless if it's done in public.

I'm not going to judge someone for what they do as a consenting adult in private, but taking a perception of women as '****s' or of deliberately wearing lampooned clothing styles to places where it encourages others to hold the same view of women as sex objects and saying, 'this is the ultimate fantasy of what being a woman is all about and this is what I want to experience as a woman' is dangerous.

I don't like the word ****. It implies that there is something dirty and wrong in taking charge of one's own sexuality as a fully aware and self ruling person. It implies that certain behaviors and styles of dress condone actions and beliefs held against that person like assault or public shaming. It removes self-authority from the one being called a ****. It groups ****s into an outcaste sort of role where they are a second class person and anything negative that happens to them is justifiable because of their status as a ****. To go out in public deliberately looking to be a tease and be taken as a **** justifies and perpetuates so many violent, misogynistic memes ('that girl who dressed and acted like that was definitely a ****, so others who dress similarly are also ****s') I find it hard to fathom.

Like Shananigans pointed out, there is a big difference between ****ty and sexy, confident presentations. A lot of it boils down, i think, to the level of respect a person has for themselves and demands from others. I really don't think anyone who idolizes ****dom can really like or respect women very much.

[Sandra]

Well, I hope you said something along the lines of, "Oh, wow, I think I can see what you have had to eat tonight!" Or, perhaps, "I think you missed a spot shaving...right cheek." Or, even, "Do you know they can bleach that thing now? Something to consider for your next outfit!"

Bare a$$ can really ruin a good drink...and, a good chair. Subtle b*tchiness might make a point and introduce them to the world of how women subtly scold other women.

I was that gobsmacked I sat there mouth open...yeah I know wrong thing to do :lol:

[Vickie_CDTV]

...and people wonder why the public have such a bad view on the trans community.

Even if one takes the image of the trans community out of the equation, going around teasing straight men like that could have tragic consequences if the men read you or otherwise discover your birth gender. Folks have been killed doing this, teasing a bunch of straight men in an isolated area while alone is just a bad, bad idea.

[Shananigans]

^^^ Well, said, Babeba. Damn, girl.

I often say that people should dress how they want. But, you are right. When how you dress directly effects other people, it can be wrong. The ultimate fantasy of being a "sl*tty girl" and going out, with your a$$/undies hanging out perpetuates the ideas about women as sex objects that you have discussed. I know that I am very conscious of how I dress because I don't want people to think of me as wanting to be treated like an object. I assume that wanting to be a "female sex object" that parades around town in Saran wrap is a common fantasy for some CDs because it fits into their heterosexually sexist views of what women are supposed to be in society. (I also suspect that they watch too much porn, and take it too seriously).

I think dressing how you want is important, but you are right in how we are seeing basically a male's representation on what the ideal of being a woman is unfold. Kind of makes GGs look bad, and CDs look stupid.

[Sandra]

Abby is talking about crossdressing in her OWN HOME for her own amusement.

You are quite right Scarlet and like I said before, what people do in their own homes is up to them :)

[Shananigans]

However, back on topic... I really don't see the OP as hurting any group by his actions.

I'd say dress how you want in your own home. The rationale behind what you think about yourself based on how you are dressed is a conversation for your therapist...not me.

[whowhatwhen]

Cool stuff, insight++
:)

What about gay guys though?
Take a look at the M4M section on craigslist some time, '****' appears quite often and while I know gay people aren't immune to sexism I can't see it being a motivating factor in using the word.

Any thoughts?

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I don't know the answer to that, I guess they like the way it looks and the problem is the association with 's*utty'?
On the other hand the clothes exist in the first place so there needed to be a market for them, is it just the perception of why they're wearing it?

Don't mind me, I'm bored.
:)
vvvvvvvvv

[Silentpartner GG SO]

I do find it slightly disturbing that some CD'ers consider s**tty attire is sexy - what does that say about their view of women?

[christinac]

What people wear inside their own home is up to them, but I'm sorry to dress like Yoku Shoujo has said she dresses, and to go outside dressed like that is given the community a bad name.

I agree one hundred percent. Foolishness like that can destroy in seconds the acceptance than many of us have spent years trying to achieve.

[Silentpartner GG SO]

I'm starting a new thread so as not to sidetrack this one

[Babeba]

^^^ Well, said, Babeba. Damn, girl.

I often say that people should dress how they want. But, you are right. When how you dress directly effects other people, it can be wrong. The ultimate fantasy of being a "sl*tty girl" and going out, with your a$$/undies hanging out perpetuates the ideas about women as sex objects that you have discussed. I know that I am very conscious of how I dress because I don't want people to think of me as wanting to be treated like an object. I assume that wanting to be a "female sex object" that parades around town in Saran wrap is a common fantasy for some CDs because it fits into their heterosexually sexist views of what women are supposed to be in society. (I also suspect that they watch too much porn, and take it too seriously).

I think dressing how you want is important, but you are right in how we are seeing basically a male's representation on what the ideal of being a woman is unfold. Kind of makes GGs look bad, and CDs look stupid.


I totally agree with you on the too much porn!

Back on topic - I still don't like the word ****, it is not something that belongs in a positive atmosphere, but if a person gets their kicks from deliberately sexually humiliating themselves without letting it spill over into other misogyny or attitudes about women as objects and can walk past a woman in a bikini (for instance) without mentally tainting her with that same **** brush no harm done, right?

[Shananigans]

I would think in the male-for-male section of gay men, it would not be men dressing up as women in a sl*tty manner. It would be men loosely having sex with other men.

I could be wrong. I try to avoid Craigslist like the plague because it's a sausage fest in general. It could be on the M4M section that there are CDs looking to fulfill some fantasy they saw on a porno once...I don't really know or doubt anything, because men never cease to amaze me.

I think there is definitely a market for "sl*tty" clothes, but I think a lot of stuff is bedroom intended that make it out of the bedroom. Or, people distort their clothes by not wearing undershirts where they are intended, or allow their underwear to hang out.

I don't know where most people shop. I shop at Bebe, Lucky, Urban Outfitters, Anthropologie, Express, and Banana Republic...I don't really see anyone dressing like crack hos...not much of a market for it in my fashion crowd. You can dress sexy without having your butt cheeks showing. But, it does take some fashion sense. I guess it really depends on what type of places you shop and what kind of company you keep. I see some people at the corner of Arkadelphia dressed rather interesting...there's probably a market for it, but I'm not sure they are wearing their outfits as intended. I also wouldn't call them very fashionable people that follow the market trends of what is "in now." So, yeah, some people dress a certain way...but, my circle tends to be the "lady on the streets and a freak in the bed" crowd. (Though, my attitude could be more "ladylike" at times.


Cool stuff, insight++
:)

What about gay guys though?
Take a look at the M4M section on craigslist some time, '****' appears quite often and while I know gay people aren't immune to sexism I can't see it being a motivating factor in using the word.

Any thoughts?

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I don't know the answer to that, I guess they like the way it looks and the problem is the association with 's*utty'?
On the other hand the clothes exist in the first place so there needed to be a market for them, is it just the perception of why they're wearing it?

Don't mind me, I'm bored.
:)
vvvvvvvvv

[whowhatwhen]

Gotcha!
:)

For the record I looked at the M4M section out of curiosity, not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Kate Simmons]

Holy Moley did this get overblown and out of whack. Abby was simply saying that sometimes she portrays the straight laced girl being modestly dressed, etc. but sometimes she likes to dress on the wild side, all in the confines of her home or GF's home mind you. Just for the record I do know women who do get a bit racey sometimes and aren't their normal "self" temporarily. Happens to the best of us my friends.:)

[Shananigans]

Holy Moley did this get overblown and out of whack. Abby was simply saying that sometimes she portrays the straight laced girl being modestly dressed, etc. but sometimes she likes to dress on the wild side, all in the confines of her home or GF's home mind you. Just for the record I do know women who do get a bit racey sometimes and aren't their normal "self" temporarily. Happens to the best of us my friends.:)

I agree. Although, I think people were reacting because, in a way, we just took things out of the bedroom with this thread. It got into a debate of what the "chasing after the ****ty image" means for CDs, and what it says about their perception of women.

This is why I don't generally discuss my intimate apparel. When it leaves the bedroom (verbally or physically), it is kind of up for public scrutiny. I remarked once on this forum about bedroom behaviors of mine, and I got psychoanalyzed... Some people found the fantasies offensive. It was a fantasy thread. It was hard to make a good debate on how it wasn't a little offensive lol. So, I realized that this is probably why I only share certain things with my SO and keep things in the bedroom. When you let it out (verbally or physically), you are going to get everyone's opinions on your behavior. But, I assume that the OP was looking for other CDs that partcipate in the "girl sl*t" fantasy to help validate his actions. Unfortunately, for every person who validates you, you get 10 more who do not.

[Kate Simmons]

For sure Shan. Critics, it seems, are a dime a dozen but not one of them signs my paycheck.:battingeyelashes::)

[Janine cd]

There was a time when I felt that dressing in flimsy lingerie was appealing, but that was long ago. I like dressing in modest and refined attire now.

[Lyndaloves]

HJere we go again

Lynda

[Sandy Michaels]

i dress accordingly to the occasion. if it's for myself i like dresses, knee length skirts and always with stockings. if it's for bedroom play then i break out the really sl**ty stuff. i might dress like that, if i went out dresses, but that's because i'm easy to begin with. i don't go out dressed so thats not an isue for me.

[jillleanne]

Yep. Then there is also the 'plain-Jane' country bumpkin in the garden wearing tights, flat sandals/flip-flops, and a t-top with hair up and back. I still wear the hoops and makeup however. What a way to destroy my real painted nails!!!!!!

[Lesley_Roberta]

Leslie has nothing polite to say about girls looking like prostitutes.

Me, I am also not a fan of looking like that (****ty).

We both likely would react the same seeing a woman dressed like that. No chance I want to join that group I guess.

Very old fashioned in my mind set.

I encountered a girl walking past me on the sidewalk one day. She had to be high school age. Gust of wind and it made it plain, that girl is NOT wearing panties, I KNOW what a girl looks like down there!

I was messed up for the rest of the day. How can women any age walk around like that? But asking of my friends that are actual ladies and my age, and I was shocked to learn, yes, some of us like to walk around bare assed under our skirt or dress.

I can't see myself ever doing that of course. Besides, society would likely react with 'wow, sexy' if a woman flashes, but if a gust of wind lets a woman see your male gear, you get arrested on sex crimes.

[mykhelee]

I have always like showing a bit of leg, but I prefer to dress classy and sexy. I prefer skirts that end just above the knee on occasion but nothing short enough to show off the goods so to speak.
roho.....took me a minute to get that.

[Lori Robins]

Isn't that normal? I thought everyone did that :D

[NicoleScott]

Since when does being a crossdresser require you to be soldier for the cause of public acceptance? People dress as they do for their own reasons. Suggesting that CD's who dress sl*tty do so with the intention of disrespecting women is unfounded. There was another thread on this. Several people said they like to dress sl*tty, but none said it was for the purpose of disrespecting women. It is an individual's choice to take offense (or not). If you don't like it, don't look.

[Antoinette]

I like to dress sexy but never ****ty. Hell I find it unactractive when a GG does it. Something just screams dirty and they look as if you touch them they'd be sticky...gross. like I mostly say, just keep it classy (v^-^)b

[Badtranny]

Since when does being a crossdresser require you to be soldier for the cause of public acceptance? People dress as they do for their own reasons. Suggesting that CD's who dress sl*tty do so with the intention of disrespecting women is unfounded. There was another thread on this. Several people said they like to dress sl*tty, but none said it was for the purpose of disrespecting women. It is an individual's choice to take offense (or not). If you don't like it, don't look.

Nicole, I think the broader idea is that if CD's are "emulating" women, then dressing as an immediately available woman indicates that CD's have a skewed idea of womanhood. The "act" of dressing isn't what would be considered disrespectful, it's the reason why they are doing it. It runs along the same lines as the threads about feeling the urge to clean the house when dressed en-fem.