A Crossdressing BOMBSHELL in 2014?

[Wildaboutheels]

I am fortunate enough to have the time to read a lot of various materials of all types from many sources. My guess is that in the next 2 to 3 years, Scientists will have PROOF that being GAY is in our genes. I said being GAY. I am NOT talking about any of the other definitions tossed about and fought over at these Forums on a daily basis.

There seem to be so many here, that worry that their friends or [I have no idea WHY] strangers will consider them gay if they see them acting feminine/wearing any "women's" apparel.

Scientists WILL prove it eventually, make no mistake about it. When it does happen, of course there will be at least some, if not many that deny it. Simply declare that it is some vast conspiracy by the Gay community. Like the moon landings that never happened. Did you know we faked all of those? And the 911 "freaks". According to them, WE did that to ourselves. WE blew up the twin towers!

When the discovery is made and announced will it affect YOU in any way and do you think it will spur a flood of crossdressers into the streets? They will no longer have to worry about being "pronounced" Gay simply because of the clothes they wear?

[Karren H]

Won't really affect me... I'm not gay but if you like I'll ask my son... He's gay....

[Michelle.M]

Are you serious? This has "troll" written all over it.

[Kate Simmons]

"Sticks and stones" ya know? I don't care what others call me, just so I get paid. In all honesty and to paraphrase myself from some time ago, CDing makes a lot of us happy and if we are happy we are gay. So if calling us gay makes other people happy, so be it. Just so we are happy, or gay. Works for me.:battingeyelashes::)

[docrobbysherry]

I'm sorry, Wild. But, I don't think we're buying it! Just because u say we're worried about being labeled as "gay", doesn't make it so!

I live in SoCal. Being gay here is a non-issue. What I worry about if folks find out I dress is, them thinking I'm a perv! Those r NOT so accepted here yet!

[Jackiefl]

I yam what i yam........ toot.. toot

[Wildaboutheels]

And what about those of you with SOs who begrudgingly accept your CDing? Certainly at least some of them worry that you just might be or could "turn" gay or need to go out dressed to attract guys? Whether you act on any attention at all is irrelevant. They simply do not understand the WHY of CDing.

If they no longer have to worry about the "gay issue" so often associated with CDing, might they become a bit more accepting?

[Marleena]

Well it sure makes it easier if people see us crossdressing. Are you Gay? "YUP"! :heehee:

[RADER]

Won't really affect me... I'm not gay but if you like I'll ask my son... He's gay....

Karren: you are always smiling, You must be Happy, is that jut like Gay.....a play on words.

Now we will not be here in 2014.... Remember the world ends on December 21, 2012.
Rader

[Marcie R.]

It would be great to be accepted in society regardless of how we dress

[docrobbysherry]

Well it sure makes it easier if people see us crossdressing. Are you Gay? "YUP"! :heehee:
Good one, Marleena! I wish just ONE PERSON would have asked me that when I've been out dressed! Besides other CD/TGs, I mean.


Karren: you are always smiling, You must be Happy, is that jut like Gay.....a play on words.

Now we will not be here in 2014.... Remember the world ends on December 21, 2012.
Rader
I think in the Russian calendar that's our Jan. 11, 2013, Radar. And, on the Mongolian calendar, April 17th. Hopefully, the apocalypse is Cerelian calendar based! It MAY fall on Dec. 21, 3012!

[BRANDYJ]

On a few issues that blow a hole in your theory.

You failed to address the issue of bisexuals. Are they gonna say that's in the genes too?
How about those that go to prison and have no outlet to women, so they have gay sex while in prison, but return to hetero once released.

And for the biggy you are forgetting to address:
The fact that most CD'ers are straight, but the uneducated public thinks all CD's are gay anyway. Just because scientific proof would say being gay is in the genes, does not mean the public will think we straight CD'ers are straight. They will still think we are gay. So if your theory came to be, we still will not be exonerated.

You make it sound like the only issue the public has with CD'ers is that we are all gay. WRONG...
That has so little to do with us being accepted at large. They will still think we are freaks and perverts evenif they thought we were straight.

[KellyJameson]

I just hope we reach a point where no one really cares about anothers sexuality

[Xrys]

Honestly, I think You are more woried about it than anyone else here. It won't affect me one bit. I find women undenyably atractive, and I want to see that atractiveness in myself. I made the joke with some friends to explain. I am a tomboy lesbian traped in a man's body.

[Barbara Ella]

The assumption of scientists "proving" something like this is ludicrous on all levels. PERIOD

And I am a highly qualified one who uses the scientific method, and know what they can and cant do...Different from what they claim for self aggrandizement.

Barbara

[Kate Simmons]

The assumption of scientists "proving" something like this is ludicrous on all levels. PERIOD

And I am a highly qualified one who uses the scientific method, and know what they can and cant do...Different from what they claim for self aggrandizement

Barbara Yeah, It's kind of like trying to make something fool proof. There is always at least one "fool" who is just a little bit smarter than everyone else.:battingeyelashes::)

[GaleWarning]

Yawn ... we already know that some people carry an XXY gene.
Doesn't stop the bigotry ...
Attitudes are developed by nurture, not nature.

[busker]

I am fortunate enough to have the time to read a lot of various materials of all types from many sources. My guess is that in the next 2 to 3 years, Scientists will have PROOF that being GAY is in our genes. I said being GAY. I am NOT talking about any of the other definitions tossed about and fought over at these Forums on a daily basis.

There seem to be so many here, that worry that their friends or [I have no idea WHY] strangers will consider them gay if they see them acting feminine/wearing any "women's" apparel.

Scientists WILL prove it eventually, make no mistake about it. When it does happen, of course there will be at least some, if not many that deny it. Simply declare that it is some vast conspiracy by the Gay community. Like the moon landings that never happened. Did you know we faked all of those? And the 911 "freaks". According to them, WE did that to ourselves. WE blew up the twin towers!

When the discovery is made and announced will it affect YOU in any way and do you think it will spur a flood of crossdressers into the streets? They will no longer have to worry about being "pronounced" Gay simply because of the clothes they wear?

Please point us in the direction of published scientific peer-reviewed articles so that WE can follow along. O/W, this is just an OPINION. And AAMOF, the gay population is so small in comparison to the general population that it isn't likely that many or any science orgs would be spending time going through the 24760 genes to make that determination--if it were possible even to do. What would it do for science? Man in general? Any number of serious diseases are more important to study than being gay. we already know that some people are homosexuals and it is described throughout the world. Frankly, I'd rather have them spending their time figuring a way to defeat the constant problem of hunger around the world. just my opinion!

[Wildaboutheels]

I am willing to bet that there are more than a couple of individuals that participate here on a regular basis, that pop pills or run to their doctor for antibiotics every time they get a hangnail? Or the hiccups? Or stub their toe? SCIENTISTS are not responsible for the ABUSE/misuse of antibiotics. They simply did the research.

Most folks are Closed Minded about something or another. Many are closed minded on just about anything not considered "normal" or on anything that does not match what THEY think is right and no amount of Scientific FACT is going to change their mind.

ANY facts that come to light, no matter when, will help those not completely closed minded make better decisions and judgements of those that are different from them.

Acceptance IS what almost all Forum questions are about. Isn't it?

[busker]

Wild, your brush is way too broad. There are only about 7000 active members here so we hardly constitute "most folks" given the population at 6.5 billion and climbing as we write. Yes, people want acceptance, here , there or anywhere. We all want to be accepted for the persons we are, whether we CD or not. Otherwise, we are talking REJECTION. I don't anyone who wants to be rejected for whom they are in this life, but perhaps you know someone. You obviously have no respect for "scientists" and since doctors write prescriptions for controlled drugs, you could as well say that they are the culprits to overuse and abuse.
when one is different from his neighbor, in whatever way, there is the absolute chance that he/she will be rejected, and it goes equally with being a CDer. society at large would see us in hates if it were possible, so yes, some on this forum seek acceptance but not from the members here but from their families, friends and the general populace, and it is NOT forthcoming in any great amount.

[Beverley Sims]

I have it on good authority that if the stock market does not crash, the world does not end and they don't remove the cable cars from SF there will be an increase in numbers of CD'ers in that city in 2014.:)

[jillleanne]

I love people that love to guess. Wish I had a nickel for every time they take a guess. lmao " .....a lot of various materials of all types from various sources...."
or spoken in another way, "Crap in = Crap out"

Let me ask you, " If it takes you an hour to dig a hole, how long does it take you to dig a half of a hole? " I suggest you do some scientific reading and get back to me on how they proved this one, ok sweetie?

[kimdl93]

I don't think that proof of the genetic or hormonal origins of homosexuality will have any bearing on how people perceive cross dressers. By the same token, I don't think that genetic or hormonal origins of CDing or transgenderism will have any bearing on public attitudes either. Things change slowly...often, out-moded ideas die out, literally, along with their adherents.

[TGMarla]

Scientific proof of anything does little to sway public opinion. Narrow people will still consider it all a choice. Opinions will not change all that much. Look at global warming. Despite mountains of history and scientific proof, people still think the world is going to melt away in the next few years. Nothing anyone says, or any scientific proof provided, alters their belief in this. The only thing that changes public opinion is time. Eventually people come to accept that which was previously unacceptable. But some seminal moment when genetic study proves that people are born the way they are is not going to suddenly change everyone's mind. It takes time for it to seep into the public sentiment.

[FrillyShelly]

I'm not gay............ But my boyfriend is though !!

Shelly.....

[Stephenie S]

Perhaps the OP does not understand that crossdressing has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.

I think this is a common misconception in the "straight" world.

S

[sierra_g]

Good one, Marleena! I wish just ONE PERSON would have asked me that when I've been out dressed! Besides other CD/TGs, I mean.


I think in the Russian calendar that's our Jan. 11, 2013, Radar. And, on the Mongolian calendar, April 17th. Hopefully, the apocalypse is Cerelian calendar based! It MAY fall on Dec. 21, 3012!


The Mayans didn't figure out 12/21/12 at 11:11am MST, archaeologists and scientists converted it over to our time table. There is no may, the next Sun age will begin as scheduled.

[Tina B.]

I don't see this helping us, most gay people know it's something your born with, and they still find us weird, so I don't see it changing the rest of the world. Unless you refuse to bed with your friends, how do they know your not gay, just because you wear a dress? The world will think what ever it wants to, until it doesn't, and facts will not change opinions, or as my ex used to say, "I've already made up my mind, don't try and confuse me with facts."
Tina B.

[Rebecca Star]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
While I'm not "gay", if you are, and this makes you happy, then great!

I on the other hand, would be over the moon, test or no test, when the day comes I or anyone can be XYZ and it's accepted - it being just another shade as each indivudual is right now.

[NicoleScott]

Most folks are Closed Minded about something or another. Many are closed minded on just about anything not considered "normal" or on anything that does not match what THEY think is right and no amount of Scientific FACT is going to change their mind.


Wild, your confidence that being gay is genetic and that science will prove it is not the same thing as a scientific fact today. Perhaps you should keep an Open Mind about this, at least until the evidence is actually in. There is a scientific method, and it's not a person with initials after his/her name making a statement.

[Jocelyn Quivers]

No effect for me really, with the whole Dec 2012 end of the world thing, no need to really worry about what happens after that date. :devil:

[Wildaboutheels]

I highly recommend Discover magazine [for one] for those of you with your heads stuck in the sand. HOPE is a good thing for anyone WILLING to listen or open their eyes. Acceptance of CDing will be incremental in any event unless one thing happens.

And therein lay the problem with the masses today.

WILLING being the operative word.

[Beth Mays]

I have a lot more in life to worry about than someone sticking labels that say Gay or anything else for that matter.
Will it affect anyones quality of life regardless of what labels others put on anything?

[Janet Bern]

By the time 2014 arrives men and women will be wearing the same clothes
How many skirts do you see today? I tell you CD's we are going the way of the dinosaur.
When I dress as a woman and go out. I feel strange that women dont wear what I wear.
I am losing interest in dressing and going out.

[sterling12]

Amazin! "Folks, I also live down here in The Tampa Area, and I want to assure you it's not anything in The Water! Wilda does NOT speak for any of the rest of us!"

OK, you claim that you read a lot and you have come up with this hypothesis from all your "research." Please share with us your Sources. Cite us some Bibliography so that we can also learn from these esteemed scholars. Is your Info from The American Psychology Association....or Creative Loafing? Did you get this idea from Actual, verifiable, credible, and researched sources.... or, is this the latest rant from some Religious Right-Wing Crazy?

We are all waiting with "Baited Breath." We love to learn! Just give us your Sources!

Peace and Love, Joanie

[cassandra54]

that is funny if you think about it. being gay is not in our jeans. i don't think anyone is born gay you just get sucked into it. lol

[Foxglove]

Scientific proof of anything does little to sway public opinion. Narrow people will still consider it all a choice. Opinions will not change all that much . . . The only thing that changes public opinion is time. Eventually people come to accept that which was previously unacceptable. But some seminal moment when genetic study proves that people are born the way they are is not going to suddenly change everyone's mind. It takes time for it to seep into the public sentiment.

I'd agree with all of this. And though the OP concerns homosexuality, it's my hope that scientists will eventually nail down the cause of TGism. May not happen in my lifetime, but I hope it happens eventually.

Why? Because I think it would help TG people psychologically. A lot of people on this forum say the reasons for their being TG don't matter to them. But it's one thing to say that when we don't actually know the cause. When we do know the cause, you never know, it might comfort you in some way. I know it would me. Why? Because then I'd know. Then I'd understand. Knowing and understanding can offer great comfort. I know from my experience that when I'm hurting about something, once I understand the cause of that hurt, it helps me deal with it.

But I think what Marla is saying is true. Knowing the cause of TGism wouldn't immediately help us as far as the general public is concerned. A lot of them would still despise us. But after several generations of people knowing and getting used to the idea that TGism is simply one more natural, albeit strange, phenomenon in this strange world, I believe their attitudes towards us would change. Especially when they cop onto the notion that we simply are what we are, we're born the way we are. People do respect science in a way, and when science "endorses" us, so to speak, it will help us gain acceptance.

Best wishes, Annabelle

[ReineD]

When the discovery is made and announced will it affect YOU in any way and do you think it will spur a flood of crossdressers into the streets? They will no longer have to worry about being "pronounced" Gay simply because of the clothes they wear?

First, I want to say I am a staunch believer that everyone should be free to express all of who they are. I don't understand why there is such prejudice in the mainstream against those who fall at either end of the bell curve.

That said, even when it is proven that sexual preference (and also gender ID) is genetic (or biological), it will take more than knowing this to cause widespread acceptance among large pockets of people. I'm afraid they will still tend to look at it (based on the science alone), as an aberration of nature since there still is only a small percentage of the population that is same-sex attracted.

[Shananigans]

This may help you understand genetics better in relation to this area.

How the Gay Gene May be passed on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0

History of the "Gay Gene": http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/genomics/2002/pierce/gaygene.htm

Hamer and LeVay's Studies Explained: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html

Homosexuality is defined by action, and not by genetics. Just as someone with the genetic predisposition for bipolar disorder may never in fact EVER become bipolar, a person with a gene that may or may not predispose them to homosexual behavior may never in fact EVER become involved in homosexual actions.

Lastly, the human genome is pretty complex. So, we aren't talking about ONE gene that is making someone gay. It's rather the interplay of multiple genes. Again, having these genes does not necessarily mean that YOU WILL be gay. It may just mean that you have a genetic predisposition to being gay, just as someone else may have a genetic predisposition to something else. It will be a combination of genetics, your environment, and your actions that will ultimately define if a person is homosexual. Remember that behavioral genetics isn't quite as black and white as eye or hair color.

It's always good to read and understand things before you get in an uproar about things. ;)

[Kate Simmons]

Shan said something that got me thinking that the person or persons who "determine" someone is gay may in fact have the predisposition in their own genes. In other words, "Judge ye not!":)

[Shananigans]

Shan said something that got me thinking that the person or persons who "determine" someone is gay may in fact have the predisposition in their own genes. In other words, "Judge ye not!":)

This is true. Though I could walk into a genetics clinic and know everything about my genetic predisposition to certain psychological disorders, cancers, behaviors, etc. I am not going to do that. The ONLY way it would be useful to me is to know what cancer risks I have inherited. However, do I want to spend the rest of my life in fear that I may get colon cancer? I'm already freaked out enough as it is. I'll probably die from something that I never saw coming...because, that's usually how things go, I feel. Should I not just get screened for EVERYTHING like everyone else? Perhaps, since I know breast cancer runs in my family (I actually did not know this until recently), I will pay more attention and be sure to keep my screening appointments. But, I do not need to stress myself out.

As far as genetic testing for behaviors...
I'm bisexual. Do I have the "bisexual" gene? Maybe and maybe not. What if I did not have the bisexual gene? Does that mean I am not *gay* enough? Am I not still bisexual since I am attracted to both men and women? I am sure my behaviors in this area define me more as bisexual than my actual genetics. Should I run to the nearest genetics clinic to get tested to see if I have the right genes in alignment that may or may not be correlated to gay? No. I'll save my money. I'm pretty sure I am bisexual.

Also, just as you said...what if I have never done anything remotely gay in my life? I go to get genetic testing for something unrelated and I am told, "Oh, by the way, you seem to have the genetic predisposition to be gay." Will this not influence my behavior? Perhaps, if I went my whole life just doing what I felt like doing, I wouldn't let others tell me what may or may not define me. We define ourselves, ultimately.

Don't get me wrong...I love science. But, no scientist is going to tell you that you have certain genes, and, therefore, YOU ARE GAY. No...scientists usually never say things in absolutes. Ruling things in absolutes goes against what science is as a whole. Therefore, yes, find genetic predispositions for things. Move forward in the name of science and understanding. But, remember, science is all about correlation (never causation)...and, a true scientist will not give you absolute answers. Everything is up for questioning...that's why we continue to advance in science.

[Rebecca Star]

The OP topic title is, "A Crossdressing BOMBSHELL in 2014?"


My guess is that in the next 2 to 3 years, Scientists will have PROOF that being GAY is in our genes. I said being GAY. I am NOT talking about any of the other definitions tossed about and fought over at these Forums on a daily basis.

I had to re-read the OP a few times, and even then, I'm still not 100% sure if Wild was using this to say, if this test became available it would prove that not all crossdressers are gay.

Or

Is it saying "being GAY is in our genes" as the bold states.

Reisterating everyone has a right to express their views but I personally don't understand why this was posted. Seems like someone was bored and decided on injecting sensationalism, especially as this post is built on nothing more than an opinion; correction a guess, with no referencing material links.

[Shananigans]

Rebecca is right. I was a little confused too at the OP. I took it to mean that the OP wa saying scientists will find a "gay gene." And, that maybe there will be some correlation to feminine portrayal by men and this gay gene.

However, Hamer discovered the "gay gene" in 1993, but his experiments weren't without reasonable error. Therefore, we can say from Hamer's studies and LaVey's study (of brain structure) that there does appear to be some genetic involvement in sexuality. However, this is correlational data (always) and NOT causational data.

And, it was in 1993... Currently, the accepted theories are that behavior is determined by an interplay of both genes and environment.

However, genetic testing remains quite expensive and it is your personal choice to have genetic testing. Therefore, I would venture to say that very few people will know whether or not they may or may not have the genes that may or may not be correlated with homosexual behavior.

If you are gay, you probably already know it. I'm bi and I know it...so, I'll clap my hands. But, I think most people can appreciate research on the human genome and what good it has done now that we have mapped the genome.

[RainyNightGirl]

I just hope we reach a point where no one really cares about anothers sexuality

Well said Kelly, I am hoping for the day....

[muzzy]

I just love wearing panties and lingerie....who cares !