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Delila
07-10-2012, 01:31 AM
For those that go out dressed. Where do you find the courage? I have been out twice dressed and both times were halloween. I am even afraid to go dressed for halloween again because I am afraid friends will out me. I would love to go dressed for well anything and I have made baby steps namely in underdressing socks and panties. Ultimately I don't have the courage to go outdoors even fully dressed concerned that someone will say something. I would love to be like some of those of you that are brave and go out even though you know you will not pass. Any advice is so welcome I need to get over this mental hangup.

Eryn
07-10-2012, 01:53 AM
Your hangup seems to stem from the possibility of being seen by people who knows you. One way to deal with it is to go a comfortable distance from home where you are unlikely to see those people.

Remember, when dressed you look very much different than your male self. Even someone who knows you in male mode will walk right by you in female mode unless there is something else that tips them off.

Courage? I think I needed it the first time I went out dressed. Once I found out that the Gender Police didn't swoop down for me it gave me the confidence to do it again. After that, you build confidence and realize that being made isn't the end of the world. The less you worry about that,. the better you pass!

Rachel Renee
07-10-2012, 02:33 AM
I got to the point where my need to go out into the world over rode any fears and I just stopped caring what other people may think. But mainly it's about attitude. Regardless of whether one passes, you get back what you put out there. You've got to keep your head up, smile, and walk around like you belong there. It can be hard at first so you just gotta fake it until the confidence catches up. And it will.

Carmen
07-10-2012, 02:48 AM
Yes Delila I second Eryn's advice. put some distance between you and your home town. I don't know the nearest major city but you will discover how easy it can be to blend into the public scene there.
Personaly I feel that I pass about 75% of the time, and a lot of that comes with how well I present. I used to skirt around, avoid people altogether, always worried about someone pointing me out and screaming.
Yes I still need to take a deep breath and meditate a little before I get out of the car, but after I'm out there with no place to hide I just go with it and be the girl that I am.
Sitting in a resturant having dinner, 1 out of 10 people might focus on me for a moment, the rest just walk on by (looking at my plate) and never see me.
As long as you don't look like a drag queen and strive to dress your age, smile and project confidence, you should be fine.

Cynthia Anne
07-10-2012, 05:29 AM
I go out in my home town 'cause I don't care what others see or say! The idea of putting some distance between you and your friends is a good one! Courage comes with exsperince! Try it! You will like it!

BobbieBrooks
07-10-2012, 05:33 AM
If you have someone to go with will make it easier. Dress to blend , no one will notice. Start in a bigger city, with small steps and they will get easier. Wife will go with me, and we have fun.

BobbieB

jillleanne
07-10-2012, 07:44 AM
I got to the point where my need to go out into the world over rode any fears and I just stopped caring what other people may think. But mainly it's about attitude. Regardless of whether one passes, you get back what you put out there. You've got to keep your head up, smile, and walk around like you belong there. It can be hard at first so you just gotta fake it until the confidence catches up. And it will.

Me too. It was a needs vs wants thing. Some have it, some don't. Some will get it and love it, like us.

Bree Wagner
07-10-2012, 07:51 AM
Delia,

Lots of good advice here already.


I got to the point where my need to go out into the world over rode any fears and I just stopped caring what other people may think

I'd echo this point. It's a matter of how much do you want it vs how much do you fear the consequences of 'bad things' happening. Change either side of that formula and everything can change for you!

Being in the Denver area there are lots of great things you can try that are very friendly to your situation. I know one of the local TG groups offers a place to change (and I'd guess most, if not all, of them do too) where you can get dressed in private without having to do it at home if that's a big concern to you. If your worries are in other areas there's probably resources to help those too. Just let us know! You'll get there.

All the best,
Bree

Badtranny
07-10-2012, 07:51 AM
I am even afraid to go dressed for halloween again because I am afraid friends will out me.

Knowing you lack courage is an important step to authenticity as you must be self aware before you can ever be yourself.

Start out with the next town over thing and then eventually work up to having some secret friends and soon you will have an actual double life just like so many of your sisters.

Cheryl T
07-10-2012, 07:58 AM
In addition to all the other advice about dressing as others do for where you are going and visiting a town away from yours you could also see if there are any support groups in your area.
Generally a support group will have a changing room so that you can dress on site. Many memebers don't travel dressed (even in my group) so this is a big help. After going to a few meetings and making friends maybe you will have someone to go out with and that will help ease your distress. The first meeting my wife and I attended we met some nice people and at the end of the meeting one of them said, "ok, who's going to the diner for dessert?". Well, it was something I had wanted to do so I just bolstered my courage and about 8 of us went to a local (to the meeting) diner. Everyone there treated us wonderfully and now it's monthly thing with us. It helped my confidence immensely and now we go out everywhere.

Having others to talk to and get ideas from is a great thing.

Jenniferathome
07-10-2012, 07:59 AM
Delila, most of us made baby steps: driving, walking the block, etc. The most important thing to remember is that 99.9% of people just don't care. Dress for the location and time that you are out. No one is looking and no one wants to do you harm.

linda allen
07-10-2012, 08:05 AM
Where do you find the courage? Inside you. Just decide to do it, then do it. It's like going into a cool swimming pool. It's hard to jump in, but once you do, you're fine.

Fear of recognition? Well that's normal and although some of us don't care, it's a real fear and a real problem for the rest of us.

Going away from home is a good idea of course. Here are a couple others:

If it's daytime, wear sunglasses, the bigger the better. Also a wig that covers some of your face with bangs. The wig and sunglasses, combined with your clothing, purse and jewelry will make you look much different than your male self.

Night time - for starters, it's dark so it's harder for folks to see you clearly. Parks and outdoor shopping areas are good places to walk. Walking around alone late at night is not a good idea, you may be attacked or the police may stop you to see if you are OK or to see if you are up to no good.

Wherever you go, act like you have a purpose, don't just wander around, and act like you are an actual female who has done this all her life.

It takes practice and you will get better as you practice.

STACY B
07-10-2012, 08:09 AM
Rememeber its Location,,,,,Location,,,,, Location,,,, Just like a good bizzness,,, So if you plan an outing ,,,Get the place rite . An all the other advice all the chix gave is great also . An dont dress like a hooker ,,Unless your going where Hookers hang out then you can ,,lol,, The going outta town trick isthe best for a confidence builder ,,My problem is Im friggen to Lazy ,,I want to just go down the street where I live close by,,, But hell thats just me ,, I used to be the same as you till the woman inside fried my brain ,,, She has taken over the man an has possessed him ,,, Now I just do whatever ,, An when people ask I just laugh an change the subject,,Seems to work !

sonna
07-10-2012, 08:58 AM
the more you do it the easer it gets

kimdl93
07-10-2012, 10:18 AM
When you go out in public, you will be seen by people. That goes with the territory. If this is something you want to do, then you need to prepare yourself. Of course, that means getting some appropriate and hopefully flattering clothes, pracicing with make up, maybe getting a shaper and forms if you want to look genuinely feminine. But, the key is going out to please yourself, without worrying or caring what someone might say. You can assume that some people will notice, many will be indifferent, while some may be amused, and others may be surprisingly sympathetic. And of course, the point is being happy with yourself, despite the knowledge that some people may be disapproving. Its not really courage, so much as a resolve to be oneself.

TGMarla
07-10-2012, 10:22 AM
The hardest part for me is simply leaving the house. My neighbors are retired, and often home. I worry that they may see me and immediately clock me, especially since I'm getting into MY car. Once away from home, though, I find it's easy to just be out and about. Since I'm out, and I have no safety net, I just don't worry about it. It gets easier by the minute while you're out doing things.

linda allen
07-10-2012, 10:28 AM
The hardest part for me is simply leaving the house. My neighbors are retired, and often home. I worry that they may see me and immediately clock me, especially since I'm getting into MY car. Once away from home, though, I find it's easy to just be out and about. Since I'm out, and I have no safety net, I just don't worry about it. It gets easier by the minute while you're out doing things.

The few times I've been out, I underdressed and carried everything else with me and changed in a parking lot, or I left before daylight after parking where I only had a few feet between the side door of the garage and the driver's door of my vehicle.

Coming back home, you have no way of knowing who will be around so I always changed back ito boy mode first.

sissystephanie
07-10-2012, 10:51 AM
Delila, the first thing you need to do is to decide who it is you are trying to impress when you dress!! Most people, whether CD's or not, dress to satisfy themselves. There is no difference in wearing feminine garments if that is what YOU want to do. What you wear is your business, and no one else's. Put on your pretty feminine clothes, along with your makeup and fix your hair and go out!! I go out almost every day dressed enfemme, but with no makeup and no wig (I am almost bald!). My dear late wife always did my makeup and my wig, and I am terrible at both! If people don't like the way I look, that is their problem not mine!

Carla4Guage
07-10-2012, 10:53 AM
Bobbie said it best "Dress to blend , no one will notice." If you are not dressed as a hooker or teenager when the real you is considerably older, you can pull it off. Any city 20 miles away will work and you can dress is a small gas statiion rest room if necessary. Confidence comes about 15 minutes into it! Good luck & let us know how it went, bet you'll be grinning from earring to earring!

Debra Russell
07-10-2012, 11:03 AM
Post some pics of your best presentation - we will give you feed back, encouragement, or help and really if you just do it it'll be fine.....................Debra

Beverley Sims
07-10-2012, 12:24 PM
Keep thinking of Halloween and how you handled that situation.You have been here long enough to pluck up courage or meet someone to assist you.
Best of luck overcoming your hangup.
At worst, keep trying Halloween with your friends. They may wish to encourage you to go to parties in disguise.
That is basically what happened to me when I was eighteen.

KellyJameson
07-10-2012, 01:07 PM
The first step toward courage is having the courage to admit you are afraid.

There is wisdom in insecurity because a certain element of caution can protect you so each person must decide for themselves when caution becomes a prison that
limits their quality of life.

I evaluate people and avoid those who are strongly opinionated and controlling because I have found they are usually coming from places of fear. To be free you must surround yourself with people who truly value freedom not just for themselves but everyone.

Friends and family can be obstacles to personal growth and individual expression because they are invested in controlling others for their own use to support their own ambitions and needs.

Crossdressing is not so much a matter of courage in oneself to crossdress as it is the realization that most people live with so much fear inside them that it becomes dangerous to be different around them.

Instead of finding the courage to crossdress I found the courage to let go of having relationships with people who are afraid to give others the freedom to be different.

In the world there are people living without fear and you will know them by their equanimity and when you surround yourself with them and become like them you
will no longer fear being different (an individual) instead of an object subservient to the group defined as the greater good.

Find your own kind and through them you will find yourself and the courage will follow.

Jorja
07-10-2012, 02:10 PM
Start by walking over to the door. Open it. Put one foot outside. Put the second foot outside. Now get dressed as you like and try it. See, no lighting bolts have struck you. Work on this by taking a step further away from the door each time. Then decide to go for a walk or drive. Something small. Work your way up to the debutante ball. Your courage and confidence will grow with each and every step. Soon you will be out walking around town like you own it.

Helen_Highwater
07-10-2012, 08:06 PM
I know where you’re coming from; I’m only a little way ahead of you along the road and still feel the trepidation of taking those steps. These are some of the things I did early on.
Go for a drive in the early evening. You’re in a steel safety cage but out of the house. Just remember to keep a focus on your driving.
When out driving, post some letters. These can be to yourself so when they arrive you get a nice reminder of your achievement. When you do post them, park progressively further away from the post box. It increases the time you’re out the car and helps build your confidence.
Find a quiet ATM and check your balance.
Park in a superstore car park that has recycling facilities and use those.
These are things that people do so no one will think that it’s something strange and most likely not give you a second glance.
As a safety net take a change of clothes. That way if it gets too stressful you can do a quick makeover putting them over your femme things if in a real hurry.

melissacd
07-10-2012, 08:13 PM
Delila,

There was a time when I looked at others on this site who were going out into the public, who were living their true selves and thinking wow I wish that I had their courage but I will never be able to do that. That was in 2004. Since then I have convinced myse;f that dressing is my authentic self and I just go out in to the world with my head held high and with a level of confidence that says to others this is me and I am proud of who I am. The surprising thing that I found is that if I carry myself out in the world as if I belong the there, whether I pass or not, that they just accept me as a female, treat me with friendship, respect and acceptance. Our biggest challenge to getting out there is ourselves.

Josie M
07-10-2012, 09:04 PM
As many others have said, the need to express yourself as you are overrides fear and you just need to be able to get out. Going out far from home may make you feel a little more confident. You can also pick a place where crossdressing wouldn't be that out of place. Going out with friends or a support group could help as well.

AllieSF
07-10-2012, 09:09 PM
A lot of great advice so far. I used to hate giving public speeches, at school, at work, wherever. Now people who know me today in male, and especially in female, mode, will not believe that as I am frequently called Chatty Cathy by more than a few friends. I still do not like giving public formal speeches. I learned to get over that as best that I could do by thinking that I had a 10-15 minute speech and that was all. My exposure to embarrassment was basically limited to those 15 minutes. That helped a lot, i.e. realizing that my time in the spotlight would be very limited and then the spotlight would shift to the next person. The other thing that really helped the most was just doing what I dreaded as much as possible, when the opportunities arose. From that I learned that I was scared and physically upset for the initial times in the spotlight, and then I began to feel less worried and afraid the more I did it. Lesson learned, the more times you do something you are afraid to do, the easier it gets to do it again. So, now echoing the other recommendations, start with activities that may cause you concern as related to crossdressing, like shopping in male mode for women's clothes, accessories, makeup, whatever. Then do those little short time outings en femme like driving, walking somewhere, and slowly increase you contact with the real world and real people, not by talking with them, just by walking past and among them. I recommend evening outings, because there is something about the dark that gives a sense of security, real or imagined. If you want to go to a drag/gay/lesbian bar, then scope it out in male mode to see where everything is and to later be able to enter a place that you have been before. Over the long or mid term you will find that your fears are much less (courage is going up) and that your self confidence (in my opinion the key ingredient for a successful outing) will start to increase greatly. Go at your own speed and take the risks that you determine are worth it. Good luck.

Starr
07-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Well my courage seems to have come from letting my hair grow.. i was out of work for about 4 years started my retirement a little early so had money to pay bills just not to get out much so no one who knew me saw me much during that time. While i was off i never got my hair cut, it is now half way down my back and i dyed it red.. it was a salt and pepper.. with more and more salt..lol.
Anyway, once it got out where i could make it look like a girls hair when i dressed it was pretty easy.. it was me, yea i had on make up and carried a purse.. i wore a bra and forms.. topped with a blouse and skirt.. but it was me..
I stood tall..lol i'm 6'... and looked at people, smiled and went about my business. The long hair, make up and generally appearing to be an older female is enough that most people don't give a second look because they don't look good on the first one and simple take me for what i appear to be at first glance .. an older woman out shopping.

I have talked with people in stores when shopping, i have tried on dresses in stores, and generally enjoyed being out in public in a way that makes me happy.. and being happy is what really matters..

Katrina Black
07-10-2012, 09:42 PM
It still scares me every time for the first 3 seconds then im good ... find the support meet up group in your area .test the waters ... next go to a gay friendly bar ,if there is one near you ,, they will completly accept you and its just a quick walk from the parking lot to the door ... then your safe .. baby steps

Chickhe
07-11-2012, 12:11 AM
To me courage comes from considering the cost of doing nothing.

Delila
07-11-2012, 01:00 AM
So many amazing replies to this thread that I can't respond to any one. I will admit that a large part of my concern is because I live in a townhome and there is a very real possibility that the instant that I walk out of my door I will be made. There is also the fact that I am married and we live in what could be called a small state where any city withing reasonable driving distance one or the other of us would know someone. I would love to live in a place where options exist to go to a somewhat distant town and dress sadly that does not exist. I am also not aware of any groups in my area though I would welcome them openly. I live in lakewood colorado if there are any groups in this area I would absolutely welcome an invite. Again I would like to say thank you all for the input it all was welcome and the vast majority made sense. Thanks.

Jorja
07-11-2012, 01:30 PM
I will admit that a large part of my concern is because I live in a townhome and there is a very real possibility that the instant that I walk out of my door I will be made.

Just tell them you are the cleaning lady. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :)

Ms Mira
07-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Though I don't know your exact situation, being 'outed' can be one of those things that takes on EPIC proportions in your mind that's not nearly so bad in reality. I know in my case it was hard to even say the words "I'm a crossdresser" in a room by myself for a long while. But then I told that first person (which took a couple HOURS, haha)... then the next, then the next, and now most of the people who matter to me know about Mira.

I couldn't even imagine trying to go out before I was cool with myself though. It's kind of... jumping steps, which will bite you eventually. And to get to that point of being totally confident in my skin, I needed their help.

AllieSF
07-11-2012, 01:43 PM
I live in a town home community and am friends with all my neighbors. Also my son used to live with me but mainly stayed in his room. I just dressed almost completely in the bathroom, put on baggy men's clothing with my base makeup already on too and walked out the door and drove away to a nearby parking lot to finish up the process. I was never caught and that never stopped me from getting out and enjoying the fresh air and real life experiences. It can be done very successfully!

Jamiegirl1
07-11-2012, 02:08 PM
I found the courage to go out dressed,because I cannot dress at home.......I keep all my clothes in my truck and all my makeup.....it is sooo much fun to be out dressed,drive around,go into stores....I have learned to ignore laughter from ignorant people,I have gotten a few nice compliments from women,and some men....the most important thing to remember is listen to your intuition and be aware of your surroundings....I won't get out of my vehicle and go into a store if there are a couple of teenagers around,they will feed off each other and things could get ugly.....I will keep driving to another store or wait til they have left.....anytime there is a chance that something could be a bad situation,leave immediately.....Most of the time you won't have any problems,people in general just don't care......I have alot of fun dressing and could not imagine never being out in public........Hope this helps..Have fun...Jamie Oh,and by the way,I work and dress in a city that is about an hour from my house,not too worried about anyone recognizing me,except I was spotted by a coworker a couple of months ago,he asked if my wife was in town and driving my truck,this caught me off guard,I said no,he must have seen a different truck.....not likely,I have a one of a kind old truck......I should have just said it was my wife.........I'm sure I will be found out one of these days,but the reward is worth the risk........

Kate Simmons
07-11-2012, 04:03 PM
One thing you have to decide is if you are here to please other people or are you here to discover who you are. The answer will determine what you will do next.:)

Lorenqt
07-11-2012, 10:39 PM
Where do you find the courage?

I find my courage in a bottle.:laughing:

Cindy J Angel
07-11-2012, 11:21 PM
it just what outhers have said. once u get out its not to bad. people just have outher things to do life now is allways in the fast lane. for me its getting out my own door, and i go out quit a lot just to do aver day things went out today. what i do is take pic and look at them first just to see what aver body elas see. remamber your makeup, less is more blend dering the day woman put less on then at night.act like u went to be there and when u do get read our some one dose say something just own up and tell them this is what i like to do most time that will work. but most time people will just do there own thing. and leave u a lone. my heart stell pounds at times so keep working on it and it will come if u went it.

Chardonnay Merlot
07-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Sometimes you are in a situation where you just don't have a choice. That is how my neighbors found out. I was running late for my support group meeting and my neighbors were all outside...so I had to walk to my car...I didn't notice everybody saw me until the next day.