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TxKimberly
08-07-2012, 08:16 PM
You know, I really thought that I had posted all of this at one time or another, but apparently I’m either wrong or I can’t find it!

If y’all are reading this, you presumably know that I travel a LOT for my job, and I do the majority of it cross dressed. Yepper, I definitely qualify as an expert when it comes to “flying pretty”. In fact, at the risk of bragging, I'm pretty sure that I am the one that coined that particular phrase a few years ago. :)

I get countless comments and emails asking for advice on this and that, and so this post is intended to address the majority of those questions and concerns. Anyway, here is my preliminary post on the “do’s”, the “Don’ts”, and the “how to” of flying cross dressed.

1. Surprisingly enough, the airlines and the TSA are experienced and well trained in the proper way to deal with the transgendered. You are not going to shock or surprise them, and they are not going to hassle you.
2. Never try and fool the airline or the TSA as to your real name or gender. If you are gonna fly pretty, you just need to accept it in advance that the airline and the TSA people you are going to deal with will know beyond any shadow of a doubt who and what you are. If you can not accept this, then you should just go ahead and skip the whole adventure and fly drab. The reality is, if you make any effort to hide your real name or gender from the airline or the TSA, I can 100% guarantee you that you will not be boarding an airplane and you may even end up spending some quality time speaking with law enforcement.
Don't get me wrong, this does not mean that you need to approach any of these people and wave your hand frantically above your head while shouting "I am a male!" What it does mean is that you need to give your real information when you book the flight, and you need to present a legal and unaltered state or federal ID that gives your true and legal information.
3. You do not need to specifically tell the people that you interact with "I am transgendered." Let's face it, when you are dressed as a woman, and present an ID showing that you are male, this is abundantly clear and so there is no need to state it.
4. Speaking if ID, don't worry, your male ID will be just fine. As I said, the TSA is used to seeing this and it won’t throw them for a loop. The inspector will probably look long and hard at you and your ID, but he will ultimately pass you through. In the hundreds of flights that I've taken, I only ran into an issue once with this and it was because of a brand new inspector who was still being trained. In that case, she just quietly called her supervisor over and he politely asked if I might have another form of ID to show them just to give them more confidence that I was the same person shown in the ID. Even with this small hiccup, they were quiet and respectful, and at no time did I feel like I was getting undue attention. Quite honestly I was honored - they really had trouble believing that I was a guy!
5. Shoes! I can't speak for anyone else, but I love my pretty shoes and it will be a cold day in hell before I travel in flat or boring shoes! Now having said that, you do need to use a little common sense. Two or three times I have headed off to a 12 hour day in airports wearing new shoes that I thought were awesome and reasonably comfortable, just to discover after a bit of walking that I had made a serious mistake because the shoes were too tight or too loose and wound up being very painful by the end of a day of walking. The moral of the story is that you need to keep in mind that a day of traveling by airline can involve a lot of walking and so you need to be sure that your shoes are going to be comfortable enough for the long haul and hike.
6. You also want to keep in mind that your shoes will have to come off when going through security. A lot of women's shoes have a number of small straps and buckles that can make for an amusing spectacle for those around you while you are balancing and hopping on one foot while trying to take them off. So my advice is to plan ahead - either wear shoes that are easy to get off and on while you are standing, or just stop and loosen the buckles before you enter the security line.
7. With the advent of the new back-scatter body scanners, traveling pretty just became a bit more annoying. It will quite likely flag you for further inspection if you wear a corset, if you wear breast forms, or if your garment has any kind of decoration on it like sequins. Not to worry though, because the worst case scenario has you pulled to the side and patted down by a female TSA inspector. In fact, in my opinion, you should just go ahead and be mentally prepared for this pat down inspection to happen in any case. It is quick and professional and no big deal, so just be mentally prepared for it and don't get anxious if you are called to the side for one.
8. When it comes to wearing breast forms, you enter a slightly gray area. They are considered a medical prosthesis and so are allowed through the check point despite exceeding the maximum size for liquids and gels. The gray area is that you technically should declare them and send them through the x-ray machine to be inspected. In practice though, I have gone through these check points twice a week at countless airports around the United States and not one single time has anyone commented on it. My advice is to say nothing and just go ahead and wear them through the check point. If they want to make a fuss about them (and again, I fly a lot and they never have said anything) then the worst case scenario is that you may be asked to step aside for further inspection.
9. Something that most women would think of but that might not occur to all of us, is that the makeup you are carrying in your purse or carry-on is probably a liquid or a gel, and so it must be treated as such. This means that it has to be placed in a medium sized zip-lock bag and sent through the x-ray machine. If you leave it in your carry-on or your purse, it will be caught, and you will be pulled aside. If you do not want the hassle or the attention, then just place it in the zip-lock bag and place it in the bin as you are supposed to.
10. Oh, and don't forget that your sparklies (jewelry) will have to come off before you go through security. Your wedding ring can stay on, and if your ear rings are small and modest, you can probably get away with leaving them on too, but nothing more. So take the bracelets, bangles, and large ear rings off before you go through security.
11. Bathrooms can be a bit more dicey, but probably not the major show stopper that a lot of us would fear it to be. Most modern airports of any size will have "special needs / Family" bathrooms available that are gender neutral. Again, this is with the larger airports - all bets are off for the really small regional airports. All of the international airports I have been to have these private bathrooms, but some only have one or two, and some have a lot of them. I have not made any effort to specifically note which ones have them or where they are, but off of the top of my head I can tell you that Austin, Detroit, and Atlanta have them all over the place - pretty much everywhere there is a male and female bathroom, you will also find these "special needs" bathrooms. Salt Lake City, DFW, and Charlotte have a few scattered here and there through the terminals, but they are not at every restroom location. Oh, and don't forget that the bathrooms on the plane are gender neutral, so if you can hold it until the plane is up in the air, then you will be good-to-go!
12. What do you do if there is no gender neutral bathroom available? I would have to be honest - I don't have a full-proof answer for you on that one and so you will need to make your own decision. Considering the possible consequences, I am going to be brutally honest here. In my case, I am not entirely passable, but I think that I am close enough that people are not sure if I am male or not, and so they are unlikely to make a fuss if they see me entering or leaving the women's bathroom. Now you are gonna have to be brutally honest with yourself. Are you at least passable enough that people won’t be sure that you are male? Do you think it will make a difference if they know for certain that you are a male? I can't answer those questions for you . . .





I think that takes care of most of the fussy details, so I'll also offer a few general suggestions:


1. The very first trip that I made, I was scared to death, and so I had a “back up and punt” plan in place. I had a Tupperware container filled with water in my car, along with a washrag, soap, and a change of clothes. I figured that if things got ugly, my worst case scenario would have me washing up and changing my clothes in the car, and then returning to the airline counter. Mind you, I know for certain that you will not need this plan, but it may give you confidence knowing that you will have that option available to you.
2. When I travel in the summer time, I carry a small bar of soap (think Hotel soap) and a small thing of deodorant in my liquids and gels bag. Wearing a wig, breast forms, hip pads, nylons, and a face covered in makeup, all while carrying my tool box, luggage, and a backpack around in the heat, can make for a bit of an unpleasant situation. While I have only rarely had to actually use them, I want the option of cleaning up and smelling presentable if I need it.
3. I always stop before entering the TSA checkpoint and get prepared for it. I take my sparklies off and put them in my purse, I undo the buckles on my shoes, and I take out my laptop and liquids and gels bag. That way, when I get to the x-ray belt, all I have to do is put my stuff on the belt, and reach down and slip my shoes off. This sounds silly, but I guarantee you that the first time you fly pretty, you are going to be very nervous and extremely self-conscious, and you would be surprised at just how ungraceful this is going to make you. You will be likely to fumble with and drop things, and otherwise make a spectacle of yourself, so it will be much better for you if you just get prepared before entering the checkpoint so that you just have to set your stuff on the x-ray belt.
4. At the other end of the x-ray belt, don't stand there to put your stuff back together. When you sent it through the x-ray machine, you probably had to place your things into a plastic tub or bin. Just pick up your bags and that bin and take them off to the side where you can always find seats set aside just for this purpose. There, you can put yourself and your things back together in comfort and without everyone standing around you and waiting for you to get out of their way. If you want to demonstrate the value of this principle to yourself, next time you get dressed, try putting your strappy heels on while standing, and just imagine that there are a dozen people standing behind you and waiting on you, and the conveyor belt in front of you is shoving all of your things and theirs down to the end in an avalanche of bags and belongings . . .
5. As hard as it may be to do while you are scared and nervous, try to relax and enjoy yourself, and try to be friendly to people. We are a bit unusual, and not everyone has actually met people like us. You have the chance to make their first impression of the transgendered, so do us all a favor and try to show them someone that smiles and is friendly!

ShannonDragon
08-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Hi Kimberly! You're not wrong, you did publish it. We later asked for your permission to put it in the IXE newsletter. (You kindly said "yes")

Debglam
08-07-2012, 08:38 PM
Kimberly,

If I hadn't said it before, I'll say it now:

You are awesome! Women like you will pave the way for many others!

Hugs,
Debby

TxKimberly
08-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Hi Kimberly! You're not wrong, you did publish it. We later asked for your permission to put it in the IXE newsletter. (You kindly said "yes")

I could have sworn that I had, but when I went looking for it, I couldn't find it. This getting old shit is becoming a pain in the butt!

Rachel Morley
08-07-2012, 09:36 PM
As hard as it may be to do while you are scared and nervous, try to relax and enjoy yourself, and try to be friendly to people. We are a bit unusual, and not everyone has actually met people like us. You have the chance to make their first impression of the transgendered, so do us all a favor and try to show them someone that smiles and is friendly!

This is such an awesome piece. I hadn't read it before. There is such a lot of great advice but my favorite part is the last one .... and I agree with Debby, Kimberly .. you are the best!

Marleena
08-07-2012, 10:23 PM
Thanks Kimberly! You posted some really good advice here.:)

stacycoral
08-07-2012, 11:06 PM
Kim, thanks for the all information you gave us girls, someday i hope i can use them,

Tracii G
08-07-2012, 11:57 PM
Very concise and to the point thanks Kim.

Stephanie47
08-08-2012, 12:40 AM
Thanks Kimberly! My question is: :How in the world do you not get timed out keyboarding such a long thread??? You and Frederique post really long threads, and, I get timed out so often it gets get infuriating sometimes.

JohannaSophia
08-08-2012, 01:07 AM
Thanks for sharing your experience, Brave Girl.

bridget thronton
08-08-2012, 01:55 AM
Thank you very much kim

Persephone
08-08-2012, 02:06 AM
Beautifully done, Kimberly! Thanks!

Hugs,
Persephone.

Katie83
08-08-2012, 02:57 AM
That is some great advice Kimberly. I'm so impressed that people have the courage to do this. I wish i could too.
Katie

Paula_56
08-08-2012, 05:35 AM
Thanks Kim you are a role model and community leader you have given us so much

erickka
08-08-2012, 05:37 AM
Awesome post Kimberly! Great advice to us from someone who is "in the know". BTW, I love your new avatar!

Mollyanne
08-08-2012, 05:41 AM
Hey Kim, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PUT BUT TO SAY------YOU ROCK GIRL, YOU REALLY ROCK!!!!!!! That piece was absolutely ON TARGET!!!!!

Molly

BLUE ORCHID
08-08-2012, 06:06 AM
Hi Kim, There's no one that fly's any prettier than you.

Anybody thinking about flying pretty should print this out and study it on the way to the airport check in.

Carroll
08-08-2012, 07:17 AM
I have only one criticism...you said "I am not entirely passable" To that I say BS!
Thats all I got! :)

TxKimberly
08-08-2012, 07:33 AM
Thank you everyone!



Thanks Kimberly! My question is: :How in the world do you not get timed out keyboarding such a long thread??? You and Frederique post really long threads, and, I get timed out so often it gets get infuriating sometimes.

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Stephanie, when you log onto the forum, there is a check box that says "Remember me". If you check that box, you don't get logged out! Also, I usually write all of this somewhere else and then cut and paste it into the forum. Usually I post to my blog first and then paste it in here.

AndreaS
08-08-2012, 07:48 AM
Just wanted to let you know that I poured over your information previously before I "flew pretty" for the first time almost 2 years ago. It gave me the confidence I needed to make this goal of mine happen. That's what I come here for - encouragement, useful information, and just good old-fashioned girl talk.

Thanks again for being an inspiration as well as a source of information.

Krististeph
08-08-2012, 07:58 AM
Awesome, as usual, Kim.

We've got some SERIOUSLY cool people here at Crossdressers.com, I'm really glad to be able to 'hang out' with you all, even if i am more of a chicken than y'all. :-)

-Kristi

Krististeph
08-08-2012, 08:06 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7120/7739435412_81209fe371_o.jpg

Stephanie, when you log onto the forum, there is a check box that says "Remember me". If you check that box, you don't get logged out! Also, I usually write all of this somewhere else and then cut and paste it into the forum. Usually I post to my blog first and then paste it in here.

Kim and Steph, and others-

I'm more thumbs than most, make many mistakes typing- i've accidentally 'backed-out' of the post i was writing many times (losing the text for good), usually a good 2/3 or more of the way into it. Finally just opened a word file called 'CD off-line editing.docx', and just use that for writing longer stuff, or when i'm at risk of losing more than a couple of paragraphs.

I don't know how Frederique does it- unless words pour forth from her mouth perfectly, i'm betting she writes/edits with word or something similar- like a veteran newspaper columnist. (Personally i think it has a lot to do with her taste in music... :-) (Hi Fre!) )

-Kristi

Chari
08-08-2012, 08:35 AM
Kim, Again, another post that is humorous and informative! Your adventures are the hope of many of us! Thanx for sharing.

Claire Cook
08-08-2012, 09:06 AM
Kim,

WOW! This totally mirrors my experience flying pretty, and all of your advice is right on! "All of the above" matches my experience exactly, from dealing with TSA personnel and scanners to watching out for the dangly stuff. I hadn't thought of the soap and deodorant -- great idea for those of us flying from TX, LA, FL or other hot and humid areas in the summer. (Yes, I'll admit there is a little extra stess involved in flying pretty, and I always use a second dash of antiperspirant when I leave. Why not carry it on?)

The one thing that at least for me has not been so much of an issue is using the ladies' room. Most girls are just wanting to do a fast in / out, and really don't have the time to fully check me out, if they care at all. I just make quick eye contact, smile and press on. Of course it seems that ladies' rooms in airports are always more crowded then men's rooms, so I try to time things so that I avoid any crowds (yeah, right...).

One thing you didn't mention is that more and more restaurants and bars in airports now check ID's before serviing alcohol. This has led to several interesting interchanges with waitresses -- none of them negative. Again, I always use my passport or driver's license with my male picture, but I suppose you could use an ID with a femme image in this case.

BTW, in terms of lengthy posts -- I compost (COMPOST?) err, compose and fine-tune mine with a word processor, then cut-and paste it into the Compose box.

As usual, you are showing the way, and encouraging the rest of us. Thanks again!!

Claire

IngeInCO
08-08-2012, 09:18 AM
Thanks Kimberly! Well written and very informative. I may just go straight from the closet to the friendly skies! Very inspirational as well.

kimdl93
08-08-2012, 09:22 AM
I didnt see this the first time around,so I appreciate the posting. Lot softwood practical advice, muchofwhich applies to any travel situation, air orlando based. I recently returned after traveling to Minnesota and back en femme. Hada wonderful trip and was treated courteously by everyone I encounter.

TGMarla
08-08-2012, 11:22 AM
Dang, Kimbers. You're a regular public service all unto yourself!

You rock, chick!

katie_barns
08-08-2012, 12:00 PM
I have never flown Pretty. [ I love that term]. After reading this and doing some research I am ready! I have always wanted to but really thought TSA would lock me up as a terrorist impersonating a woman. I see now it can be done. I am so relieved, and excited. My next trip will be dressed. I don't know when that will be but I do fly 5 or 6 times a year. I still need to do some research, and be careful; but all the advice I seen here should make it go smooth.
Thank you so much Kimberly for re-posting this. You made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!

Voulez-Vous
08-08-2012, 12:37 PM
Flying pretty? I’m probably the only one to ask this here, but WHY would you feel the need to do this? I’m not TS, or TG, and just a CD, so maybe I just can’t grasp this. Knowing that CD-ing is not universally accepted, and after all the beefed up airline security since 9-11, why would you subject yourself to almost imminent humiliation (unless you’re into that) if you weren’t a transitioning TS? Yeah, I get the whole “these airline people have seen everything” deal, my question is still WHY do it?
Perplexed…

Inna
08-08-2012, 12:48 PM
there is another way to "Fly Pretty" however, it takes 2-6 years, multiple surgeries, court appearances, and same fantastic clothing as before!
So I guess it may be just easier, at least for now, to take your advice Kim!!!!!!!

LOL, still laughing, Inna

Debglam
08-08-2012, 03:37 PM
Flying pretty? I’m probably the only one to ask this here, but WHY would you feel the need to do this? I’m not TS, or TG, and just a CD, so maybe I just can’t grasp this. Knowing that CD-ing is not universally accepted, and after all the beefed up airline security since 9-11, why would you subject yourself to almost imminent humiliation (unless you’re into that) if you weren’t a transitioning TS? Yeah, I get the whole “these airline people have seen everything” deal, my question is still WHY do it?
Perplexed…

Because for those of us on the trans spectrum this is who we are and not something we do. On top of that, I don't let other's attitudes or stupidity dictate what I do or when and where i do it! It took me a while to reach this point but IMO it is a healthy place for all of us to be!

Finally an airport is probably one of the safest places to go en femme. Pretty much every type of person under the sun plus security that isn't going to tolerate any kind of disturbance, i.e. someone harassing you because of how you are dressed.

I haven't flown pretty YET but only because I'm more concerned with how my makeup will withstand the dry air in the plane! :D. Kimberly, care to comment?

katie_barns
08-08-2012, 04:06 PM
Flying pretty? I’m probably the only one to ask this here, but WHY would you feel the need to do this? I’m not TS, or TG, and just a CD, so maybe I just can’t grasp this. Knowing that CD-ing is not universally accepted, and after all the beefed up airline security since 9-11, why would you subject yourself to almost imminent humiliation (unless you’re into that) if you weren’t a transitioning TS? Yeah, I get the whole “these airline people have seen everything” deal, my question is still WHY do it?
Perplexed…

Why did the chicken cross the road.
If I want to be in public dressed why would I have to change to drab if I wanted to fly. I love being out and about dressed. Most CD's will start by just getting out of the house. After you have been doing it for a while you find you can go anywhere dressed. Why should the airport be any different. If I want to go on vacation dressed and spend the entire time en femme, why should I have to take male cloths just for the airport.
I see your persective on its a lot of trouble so why do it. I will do it because I can.

Voulez-Vous
08-08-2012, 05:02 PM
Why did the chicken cross the road.
Because he had a gig at Chick-fil-A ?


If I want to be in public dressed why would I have to change to drab if I wanted to fly. I love being out and about dressed. Most CD's will start by just getting out of the house. After you have been doing it for a while you find you can go anywhere dressed. Why should the airport be any different. If I want to go on vacation dressed and spend the entire time en femme, why should I have to take male cloths just for the airport.
I see your persective on its a lot of trouble so why do it. I will do it because I can.

"I will do it because I can" - I suppose that's the bottom line, huh? Understand that I'm NOT knocking it, I just don't personally get the need to do it while flying. So, with that being said, if this is what floats your boat, go for it...

Marcia Blue
08-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the great advice Kimberly.
Flying pretty is on my bucket list. I just need to have a place and a reason to travel.

Admin/Mods: Could this thread be put up as sticky?

Ashley D.
08-08-2012, 08:40 PM
Last time I flew pritty was pre 9/11 yes I'm old lol
I have never really thought about how it has changed.
Great read thank you Kimberly!

aly01
08-09-2012, 12:29 AM
Kim thanks for the advice. You would have good advice as someone who does it a lot and looks good doing it at that.

Michelle (Oz)
08-09-2012, 01:53 AM
Kim

Your similar advice to me a half a decade ago was very helpful in flying pretty (although opinions of others might not agree about prettiness). Your post is equally relevant here in Australia - if anything it is a bit easier here by not needing to show ID if you check in online or have frequent flyer status.

I do wish I pass as well as you though and could wear the heels!! Arthritis is a pain (literally). After a 4 year break from CDing, flying is again my aim and motivation to lose weight.

Voulez-Vous - to answer your question from my point of view. It is a challenging and exciting experience but really not too much different to going out in public. It takes acceptance of yourself and acknowledgement that people are much more accepting than what we might think.

Michelle (Oz)

TxKimberly
08-09-2012, 08:59 PM
Flying pretty? I’m probably the only one to ask this here, but WHY would you feel the need to do this? I’m not TS, or TG, and just a CD, so maybe I just can’t grasp this. Knowing that CD-ing is not universally accepted, and after all the beefed up airline security since 9-11, why would you subject yourself to almost imminent humiliation (unless you’re into that) if you weren’t a transitioning TS? Yeah, I get the whole “these airline people have seen everything” deal, my question is still WHY do it?
Perplexed…

Wow - I'm not sure where to start in trying to answer your question!

First off, I think that you and many others make an invalid assumption:


why would you subject yourself to almost imminent humiliation

I've been traveling this way for over half a decade now and have never, not one single time, been either mistreated or humiliated. On the contrary, most people that I have interacted with (and again, that's a LOT of people through the years) have treated me exceptionally well and been very friendly.

As for the rest of your question, there are variations between being "just" a CD as you put it, and being a TS - it's not always one or the other. In my case, I am not willing to loose my wife and children, nor my career, in order to go full time, but that doesn't mean that I wont take every single chance that I can get to grab every little bit of time in this world that I can as a woman.

Why would anyone go anywhere except to work and then to home? That is all that is really needed to survive after all - earn your money and live in your castle. We all go to other places every day because there is a life to be lived, and most of us want more than mere existence - we want to do things that fulfill us and add flavor and interest into our world.

In your typical work week, I spend anywhere from 20 to 40 hours in airports and airplanes - this is the nature of my job. Once, I spent these hours miserable and unhappy. Since I started traveling as a woman, I spend these hours happy and fulfilled. Unlike so many other people, I LOVE my job and look forward to almost each and every trip because it gives me the chance to be me.

Why on God's green Earth would I not travel this way?

steftoday
08-09-2012, 09:14 PM
Unlike so many other people, I LOVE my job and look forward to almost each and every trip because it gives me the chance to be me.

Why on God's green Earth would I not travel this way?

you so rock, Kim. Always a pleasure to read your posts!!

TxKimberly
08-09-2012, 09:26 PM
you so rock, Kim. Always a pleasure to read your posts!!

Awe thanks Stef! :)

Starr
08-10-2012, 09:11 AM
Hi Kimberly,

You have always inspired me to get out and be me, and thanks to reading your blog and the things you post here and other places i have become very comfortable going out and doing things while dressed. I am sure I speak for everyone here when I say Thank you for your courage, and your inspiration to dress and be ourselves.

To you other girls, i did a copy and paste of what Kimberly wrote and put it in a file folder I keep called self help. This is where i put all kinds of information on being a better girl. Kimberly I hope to join your club and fly pretty this Jan. when I have a trip to Vegas planned.

Jamie

katie_barns
08-10-2012, 11:01 AM
"I will do it because I can" - I suppose that's the bottom line, huh? Understand that I'm NOT knocking it, I just don't personally get the need to do it while flying. So, with that being said, if this is what floats your boat, go for it...

VV Thats what so great about this site and being a CD. There are not 2 of us alike. We can not agree and still be sisters at heart;

Voulez-Vous
08-10-2012, 02:01 PM
Why on God's green Earth would I not travel this way?

Why? Ok, I’m going to be brutally honest here and I know I’ll take heat for this. Because after 9-11, I believe airline security, homeland security, and whoever have many things to concern themselves with and don’t need any unnecessary distractions. No, I’m not saying some guy wearing women’s clothes will be their biggest worry of the day. I’m just saying I personally don’t see the purpose of doing this while flying. Do you feel you have to prove something to yourself or somebody else? Again, not being a smartass, and I’m not the exhibitionist type, so I guess I still don’t get it.
Let’s visualize a very extreme “what if” here. WHAT IF you found yourself in a
9-11 type scenario, the plane gets high jacked, crashes, or whatever. You somehow survive in whatever condition. Need I say more? I kinda doubt you'll be able to get to your plastic container of soap and water, and guy clothes.
Sure, you can laugh it off, but think about it for a moment.

katie_barns
08-10-2012, 02:35 PM
V V
I realize this was directed at Kimberly, but I am about as passionate about this as you seem to be.
I apologize if I am wrong but it seems that you are talking about FEAR. Fear of being discovered. Fear of what people would think. Fear of being outed. If I worried about all the what if's that could happen when I dressed then I would never leave the house. For that matter, my house might not be safe either. I would have to stop dressing all together. I try not to let fear rule my life. I do admit sometimes it does anyway.

The last thing I want to do is inconvenience others by being myself. I don't think the post 911 world is too inconvenienced by my cross-dressing. If that was the case then we all need to stop being ourselves and join the cookie cutter ideal of what a normal person is. Forget about trying to be free and let the government and fear mongers dictate our lives. Maybe we shouldn't let breast cancer survivors fly because they have prosthesis, or maybe that war vet with the metal plate in his head. Maybe that grandfather with the pacemaker should not fly either. I know I am ranting and I am sorry.

V V I understand where you are coming from. I really do! As crossdressers we don't want to put out a bad image of what we are. I don't really want to rock the boat. But sitting at home and not flying just because I am different doesn't fly [pardon the pun] with me.
When I fly pretty, the plane can crash, and I may die and everyone in the world will know I was a CD. That means I am going to wear my pretty pumps. They can say he was a freak but at least he had good taste.

Voulez-Vous
08-10-2012, 04:02 PM
That means I am going to wear my pretty pumps. They can say he was a freak but at least he had good taste.

If that works for you, by all means, go for it. Maybe you're 'out' to everyone in your life or else just don't care what people think…that's certainly your choice to make. But not everyone shares this same viewpoint.
So, maybe I should just say - if you’re not prepared for the risk of being ‘outed’ to the entire world and everyone who watches CNN, I wouldn’t recommend ‘flying pretty’.

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 05:54 PM
Well hell, Katie just took most of the words out of my mouth, and much of it verbatim at that!
VV, may I ask how old you are? That's not a slam, just honest curiosity. When I was much younger I might have agreed with you up to a point. There comes a time though, or at least in my case there came a time, when you get tired of being afraid. Where you are sick to damn death of undeserved fear and unearned shame. Do you know that despite my current activities, there was a time when I can remember thinking that I would have no choice but to suicide if I were discovered? Scary thing is, I WOULD have back then too.
Why do I do it? Because I damned well want to and on some level need to.
Why do I do it? Because this is America and I am free to.
Why am I willing to inconvenience the TSA? Because I earned the right to when I devoted twelve years of active duty service to the US Army in order to make damned sure that I remained free. When most of them were still in grade school, I, my wife, and my children were highly inconvenienced doing what it took to keep them safe.
Yeah, they can take a couple of extra seconds more out of their busy day to pass my happy ass through their line.
By all means stay at home VV, but while you're there I'd like you to realize that the damned terrorists apparently won in your case. If they know that they scared or shamed just one person like you or I into staying out of site then they have won. Just imagine the satisfaction they would get from knowing this.

You know what's ironic? I bullshit you not - I was gonna fly home drab tomorrow and avoid the pain in the ass, but you have inspired me! Tomorrow Kimberly is gonna fly the free skies of the United States, and in the highly unlikely event that a TSA inspector has a problem with it, SGT Huddle is gonna jump right down his damned throat with both boots. :)

kathtx
08-10-2012, 06:01 PM
VV, if you only dress at home then a meteor could hit your house and you'd end up outed on CNN anyway.

Stephanie-L
08-10-2012, 06:06 PM
By all means stay at home VV, but while you're there I'd like you to realize that the damned terrorists apparently won in your case. If they know that they scared or shamed just one person like you or I into staying out of site then they have won. Just imagine the satisfaction they would get from knowing this.


Hip Hip Hooray for you Kim. I keep telling people that every time we change our way of lives, even a little, because of terrorists, or crazies, or someone, then we have lost and they have won. So, keep flying pretty and inspiring the rest of us to do so..................Stephanie

Voulez-Vous
08-10-2012, 06:31 PM
By all means stay at home VV, but while you're there I'd like you to realize that the damned terrorists apparently won in your case.

I'm 57, and just because I would never choose to 'fly pretty', Al-Qaeda gets no bonus points from me.
I believe The Isley Brothers said it best - "It's your thing, do what ya wannado...."
But be prepared to take responsibility for your decisions. Just sayin...

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 06:43 PM
.....But be prepared to take responsibility for your decisions. Just sayin...

Absolutely - don't get me wrong, I might bitch and cry if things DO ever go that far south, but I WILL take responsibility for what I do.

My Lady Marsea
08-10-2012, 07:29 PM
I don't care about the "why would you ?" aspect or fight here 'cuz I'm like so totally out and about 24/7 living as I was meant to be, live and let live being my attitude.
So I have a legit question Kim. The last time I flew it was like 99 bucks round trip Vegas to Orlando and I just bought the ticket on line, like walked into the airport w/ everything I wanted in or on me, checked myself and the the bag in and sashayed right to the boarding gate and got on the thing. Now things have changed including proof of ID or wutever. I don't have a passport, don't really want one since I was US of A legal born and there is like sooo much to see and do in my own great country I'm not planing on spending my money or time outside of it. Anyway, there might be like a future trip to another state here in the USA. So the question: do I need a stupid passport for in country flight (gawd I hope not) or is my AZ issued driver license gonna be good enough? I guess I could call our airport here in Podunk, but all the push 1...push2...transfer to whoever about 4 people away, etc and my lack of Spanish might be more than I like want to endure. Thxxx..... .

kellycan27
08-10-2012, 07:40 PM
I could see you giving an interview from the crash site on CNN !:heehee:

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 07:44 PM
So the question: do I need a stupid passport for in country flight (gawd I hope not) or is my AZ issued driver license gonna be good enough? .

Your drivers license is just fine and there is no need at all to carry a passport. I generally carry MINE with me because I never know when I might get a call "I need you in Germany tomorrow!"


I could see you giving an interview from the crash site on CNN !:heehee:

Oh great! Now y'all have jinxed me! Watch, I'm gonna die in a plane accident tomorrow! Look at the upside - my company will pay my wife TWICE as much if I die while on a business trip! Of course she'll need that money to hire the moving crew to carry my shit outta my closet. . .

kellycan27
08-10-2012, 07:51 PM
Your drivers license is just fine and there is no need at all to carry a passport. I generally carry MINE with me because I never know when I might get a call "I need you in Germany tomorrow!"



Oh great! Now y'all have jinxed me! Watch, I'm gonna die in a plane accident tomorrow! Look at the upside - my company will pay my wife TWICE as much if I die while on a business trip! Of course she'll need that money to hire the moving crew to carry my shit outta my closet. . .

Does the wife know this? LOL

steftoday
08-10-2012, 07:54 PM
Your drivers license is just fine and there is no need at all to carry a passport. I generally carry MINE with me because I never know when I might get a call "I need you in Germany tomorrow!"



Oh great! Now y'all have jinxed me! Watch, I'm gonna die in a plane accident tomorrow! Look at the upside - my company will pay my wife TWICE as much if I die while on a business trip! Of course she'll need that money to hire the moving crew to carry my shit outta my closet. . .

ooo! ooo! Dibs on all of Kim's strappy shoes!! :p

Just kidding, Ms. Huddle!!!!

Don't you go and get yourself killed! There's plenty of us here that would miss the hell out of you!:brokenheart:

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 07:58 PM
Does the wife know this? LOL

She does! Scares the hell outta me too!

Debglam
08-10-2012, 08:12 PM
Personally, I avoid flying pretty because of the possibility of alien abduction. I would hate for them to get the wrong idea of "male" and "female" based on examining moi! :eek:

I did always wonder about the "Trans" in Trans World Airlines (TWA) though! :battingeyelashes:

Hugs,
Debby

Marleena
08-10-2012, 08:33 PM
I'm scared! I feel a purge coming on..:D

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 08:49 PM
Personally, I avoid flying pretty because of the possibility of alien abduction. I would hate for them to get the wrong idea of "male" and "female" based on examining moi! :eek:

I did always wonder about the "Trans" in Trans World Airlines (TWA) though! :battingeyelashes:

Hugs,
Debby

It occurs to me that in the case of alien abduction, male or female doesn't matter! It's anal probing and we are all pretty much the same in that department.

(OK, so I'm pushing it a bit for a laugh here!)

Jackiefl
08-10-2012, 08:54 PM
Kimberly, I want to thank you for all your inspiration and word of wisdom. I flew pretty to Vegas with my wife, your posts helped convince my wife that this would not be a problem. I am very grateful for that. You are always so positive I enjoy your posts and encouragement.

Jackiefl
08-10-2012, 09:01 PM
VV: I have read many of your posts, most of them appear very negative. I seems to me your would find something wrong even if you won the lottery. I believe sometimes you just have to put your fears aside and do what feels right.

kellycan27
08-10-2012, 09:12 PM
ooo! ooo! Dibs on all of Kim's strappy shoes!! :p

Just kidding, Ms. Huddle!!!!

Don't you go and get yourself killed! There's plenty of us here that would miss the hell out of you!:brokenheart:

Yikes Kim.. you're not even gone yet and they're dividing up your stuff! lol

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 09:22 PM
Yikes Kim.. you're not even gone yet and they're dividing up your stuff! lol

Yeah, funny how that happens aint it? I got news for 'em though - my daughter-in-law wears the same size I do, she LOVES shoes,and she is mean as hell if you get between her and something that she wants. I wish 'em all the best of luck, because I wouldn't tangle with her!

Debglam
08-10-2012, 09:41 PM
It occurs to me that in the case of alien abduction, male or female doesn't matter! It's anal probing and we are all pretty much the same in that department.

Ooooooh! Would it make a difference if I was in First Class or Coach??? :heehee:

:alien:

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 09:53 PM
Ooooooh! Would it make a difference if I was in First Class or Coach??? :heehee:

:alien:

I don't think that the aliens will care. Either way, you're just an ignorant primate in need of anal probing.

Debglam
08-10-2012, 10:03 PM
Either way, your just an ignorant primate in need of anal probing.

Sister, that's not the first time I've heard that! :tongueout

Kimberly, back to my original post in this thread! You are alright!

:hugs:
Debby

TxKimberly
08-10-2012, 10:07 PM
Sister, that's not the first time I've heard that! :tongueout

Kimberly, back to my original post in this thread! You are alright!

:hugs:
Debby

And so are you Debby! With any luck, if we all stick together, we'll make it through this! ;)

steftoday
08-11-2012, 07:35 AM
Yikes Kim.. you're not even gone yet and they're dividing up your stuff! lol

awww, Kelly. Kim knows I'm just fooling around! I don't wish harm on anyone; and especially to ladies like Kim to lead the way for us chickens...

Besides, I don't want to get beat up by here daughter-in-law... :D

Deidra Cowen
08-12-2012, 09:17 AM
Good stuff, I average at least one trip a week on airlines...but never have flown Pretty as you call it. I wondered about the breast forms, interesting info there. One of my hangups would be shoes too, I am not too proud of my feet and I hate the idea of taking my shoes off in girly mode while at the checkpoint. But...I just might give flying pretty a shot when fall comes and its not 90 degrees out there! I melt in the heat with my wig and MAC makeup slapped on thick.

Ediosa
08-12-2012, 09:38 AM
SGT Huddle is gonna jump right down his damned throat with both boots. :)

Hey, Kim....you know you helped me out flying my first time and all I have to day is thank you. Now, about the quote above....don't you mean "down his damned throat with both heels"......LOL!!! :)