Are the majority of CDs and TGs straight?

[Gena Gurl]

Here's my two cent's worth, as a life long crossdresser. I see by many threads that say that the majority of CDs are straight, but my experiance has been that I do not believe that. Why? (and I do not want to upset any one it is just a personal observation) I, like alot of you go to sites like Flickr and You Tube and a meriad of porn cites that most have either cds with men or cds with cds. By far it is not straight men. Let me also say that all though I am straight I find my self attracted to a beautifull CD not becase she looks like a woman, but knowing that she is a beautiful CD. I have never been with an other CD or wanted to be with a man, but I think we need to be honest. I know I'm going to get a lot of flack from this, but this is my observation from years of crossdressing and trying to figure things out. All this said I do not harbor any ill will to those who want to be with men or CDs, just be honest whether gay or bi. Again just an oppinion, Thanks Gena

[Nikki A.]

No bash here but I'll disagree. Long time CD. And since I don't desire to be a woman I have no interest in men. As far as our TS members, since they feel that they are women, wouldn't men be the "straight" option?
I'm sure there are members who are gay or bi but that is true of society whether they dress or not.

[Diana Bain]

When dressed as a woman, I have no desire to be with a man in anyway. I do though enjoy the company of a woman.

[Gena Gurl]

I am not saying that there are not any straight cd's, as I also considermy self to be straight. An other example of this I attended a big get together for CDs, yes you know the big one. I was hit on by many CDs and at the end of the big bash I saw many pair up and go to their rooms and it wasn't to play tiddledy winks. "When the cat's away the mice will play". I am talking about crossdressers and not transexuals. Go to flickr photo sharing and you will see thousands of post that will prove my point to an extent. I too get mezmorized by CDs that would pass any day as beautiful women, but I have to realize tha it's still a man in a dress. I just want the majority to admit to it. I know things might be different here, but i do read the post's of gay or bi and by far the straifgts are always out numbered and that's the ones that will admit it. Again I do not mean to piss any one off, but after 63 years as CD it's my conclussion and you do not have to agree with me. Just be honest. Thanks Gena

[kimdl93]

Gena, the only reason you'll get flack is in basing your opinion on faulty data. The basis for your conclusion, is you tube, flikr and porn sites. These sources you mentioned are not even remotely representative of the general population of CDrs. They cater to a particular subset of the CD population that is into the sexualized aspect of dressing and more specifically to those with homosexual interests (not that there is anything wrong with that). Furthermore, they cater to non-CD individuals who may have sexualized fantasies about Transexuals.

But that's not a remotely reliable method for analyzing the sexual orientation of transgendered people. There have beeen many surveys of the larger population that have indicated that a solid majority of CDrs are heterosexual. They just don't happen to be the market for the porn sites.

[Lorileah]

Here's my two cent's worth, as a life long crossdresser. I see by many threads that say that the majority of CDs are straight, but my experiance has been that I do not believe that. Why? (and I do not want to upset any one it is just a personal observation) I, like alot of you go to sites like Flickr and You Tube and a meriad of porn cites that most have either cds with men or cds with cds. By far it is not straight men. Let me also say that all though I am straight I find my self attracted to a beautifull CD not becase she looks like a woman, but knowing that she is a beautiful CD. I have never been with an other CD or wanted to be with a man, but I think we need to be honest. I know I'm going to get a lot of flack from this, but this is my observation from years of crossdressing and trying to figure things out. All this said I do not harbor any ill will to those who want to be with men or CDs, just be honest whether gay or bi. Again just an oppinion, Thanks Gena

What you see is just the tip of the iceberg. You see the same type of sites with middle aged women, teenagers, Old folks. Do you believe that all those groups are majority NOT straight? Sort of a huge brush to paint the world with. Consider this, the porn sites are for money, so just because there are TG's on those sites does not mean their sexual persuasion is what they portray. Also sex sells, since the majority of the people of the world are satisfied with their sex lives, they don't post on these types of sites.

You make a huge and false assumption based on weak and irrelevant "facts" that cannot be substantiated. You would make a great political manager.

[Marleena]

Scientific studies show most are straight.

However anybody searching crossdressers on the internet will be inundated with porn sites. That is why so many people assume any guy that puts on a dress is gay.

[STACY B]

Yea ,,,,,,,,, What they said ,,,,,Meh,,,Meh,,,,Meh,,, Now ,,,,

[PaulaAnn]

Interesting thread. I'm TG'd,live and think as a woman....I like men so in my mind I'm straight ,but some people would consider me gay.I actually don't care how I'm labeled....I am what I am.
Paula.

[Stephanie47]

If a person peruses porn sites, watching women being degraded by men using them a sex toys, does that make all women s**ts and *****s? No. As a life long man who likes to wear women's clothing on occasion, I have had absolutely no desire to hook up with a man. I have no desire to be a woman. But, if I wasn't a man, I would not object to being a woman.

Gay men want to be with gay men. And, there may be a subset of gay men or bi-sexual men who want to be with another man dressed as a woman. You'd have to ask them why. As a heterosexual man, if I were so inclined to be unfaithful to my wife of forty years, I'd be cheating with a bona fida woman, and, not a man in a dress. And, I'd leave my dress and heels at home.

[Gena Gurl]

Thanks for your coments and I do respect your oppinions, I realy do, but my take is from personal experiance of so called straight cds and some of the post that I see here when some one ask gay or bi and there is always a larger group tha are that. I had also attended a crossdressing group in Dallas for two or three meetings and I can tell you that out of 25 or so members the majority where gay and bi. Please, I agree that there are many that are straight as am I, but how do you explain when at the CDs at the events are hooking up. When I was there I was approached by a "straight CD from Austin, Tx and wanted to as he said fool around. I must repeat and I know that I am painting with a brad brush, and I guess we well have to agree to disagree. These views are from a long life as a crossdresser only. Thanks Gera

[Tracii G]

Now I'm as confused as ever. I thought I knew what I was damn!

[Mistybtm]

Fore me I am bi and was before I realy got heavy into cding , that said I do find my self having A stronger desier to be with A man when I am dressed.

[Marleena]

Thanks for your coments and I do respect your oppinions, I realy do, but my take is from personal experiance of so called straight cds and some of the post that I see here when some one ask gay or bi and there is always a larger group tha are that. I had also attended a crossdressing group in Dallas for two or three meetings and I can tell you that out of 25 or so members the majority where gay and bi. Please, I agree that there are many that are straight as am I, but how do you explain when at the CDs at the events are hooking up. When I was there I was approached by a "straight CD from Austin, Tx and wanted to as he said fool around. I must repeat and I know that I am painting with a brad brush, and I guess we well have to agree to disagree. These views are from a long life as a crossdresser only. Thanks Gera

I'm just guessing here but maybe most of the ones that attend use it as an opportunity to hook up or make new like minded friends. I'm thinking the straight ones might be in relationships already.

[Beverley Sims]

I used to look in the back of my television set for dead cowboys and indins when I was younger.
Now I find myself looking over the top of the screen of my laptop for gay and lesbian CD's.:)
Me, I am as straight as the next CD'er.

[Nigella]

Gena, try using the search facility on this site. This topic is very well covered.

IMHO you have got flawed data simply by the virtue of taking the internet as the only source of information. Sites like this one are in the minority when a true representation of the TG community is sought. Many people when searching crossdressers get hit by thousands of pornographic images. Add to that feminisation, sissy and all the other words used to describe the community and the number of hits that lead to a misleading representation is hugely magnified.

[Brittany CD]

It's hard to say, considering how it can't be known how many crossdressers there are, but crossdressers often say most are straight. It's a public perception that crossdressers are gay, which is why straight crossdressers always have to explain that they're not gay, just men in women's outfits.

[almisami]

I think my own crossdressing is brought on by my severe disdain for male culture and associated things. Hence, I don't feel any attraction towards men.

[Barbara Ella]

Going to disagree, and say your data set is taken from non random samples. The sites and activities you mention do not in any way attract a true cross section of crossdressers. Hetero dressers will not go to those sites you mention in anything resembling their proportion of the population, so they are relatively meaningless to this discussion. Big crossdressing gatherings only gather those who are very out, and not at all a cross section of crossdressers again.

Your point might be valid but it cannot be made using the observations you have made. Nigella is right on.

really, I am straight, and others are not, and each of us has their perception of the balance.

Barbara

[Gena Gurl]

You guys are right I am not going by data, but from life experiances, I do not think that I'm so special that every one hit on me and I am talking about other cds. When I was younger I made a very passable gurl and was very in the closet so I wanted to meet other like minded cds, and by far was propositioned many times by other "straight cds". I will repeat my self if you are gay or bi there's nothing wrong with that so I'm not bashing. Yes I did meet some wonderful "straight cds, but by far conversations a lot of times led to sexual inuendos, and if you all are honest I would bet that a lot of you have been approched too! This is my last post on this issue I was just trying to see if any one has thought if it as I do. And I will repeat my self I do respect everyones oppinion, but no amount of scientific data will sway me from my personal life ovservations. Thanks Gena.

[NicoleScott]

I just want the majority to admit to it. Just be honest.

There's your agenda. You believe that most crossdressers aren't straight, and if they say they are, they must be dishonest. As others have said, the REAL data says most are straight.
I love to look at pictures of other crossdressers. That doesn't meake me gay.

[ReineD]

There's a difference between fantasy and the reality of sexual orientation:

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?176977-Crossdressing-and-male-attraction

And yes, there are an awful lot of admirers (tranny chasers) and CDers who get off on being attractive to them. :)

[kimdl93]

You guys are right I am not going by data, but from life experiances, .... but no amount of scientific data will sway me from my personal life ovservations. Thanks Gena.

Gena, Its certainly possible that your life experience gave you the impression that other CDs were gay. That is your unique experience. I've been in a number of GLBT friendly bars and been hit on by women, but never by a male. So, using your logic and based on my experience no gay males like CDrs, and all Lesbians are attracted to CDing males.

Again, one person's expereince is not a valid measure of everyone in a population. I have blue eye and blond hair - so all CDrs must have blue eyes and blond hair. I'm of Norwegian descent - so I guess all Norwegians are CrossDRessers. Those are absurd assertions, of course, but so is your assertion about the sexual orientation of CDrs.

If you can't be swayed by unbiased, statistically validated research then all your left with is personal impressions, which can obviously lead you astray. In your case, you seem insistent that any one individual proves your point, when vast amounts of evidence indicate the contrary.

[Gena Gurl]

Reinel, thanks for the tread you sent, I went to that thread titled "Crossdressing and the Male Attraction" and by far almost 85% said that as dressed in women's clothing the have or would consider being wit a CD or a "man's Touch". In my book that makes you gay or BI. This is from members on this site. So despute that! All I'm saying is that even if you are a crossdresser and want to be with an other crossdresser is a man and a man no ifs or butts. This said there is nothing wrong with that, just do not go around saying that you are straig, that' all!

[LilSissyStevie]

Gay and straight are socially constructed categories that only describe some people. I think the late, great, Gore Vidal had it right when he said, "There is no such thing as a homosexual or a heterosexual person. There are only homo- or heterosexual acts. Most people are a mixture of impulses if not practices." A wise person on this forum, in another context, once asked what it would be like if we only had the categories of apples, oranges and banana's to describe all the different fruits (LOL!). Yet that is exactly what we try to do with sexuality. We try to sort all the fruits into straight/bi/gay and argue endlessly about which one of these categories admirers,"male lesbians" and those who are "bi when dressed" belong to when it is obvious that they belong to "none of the above." Gore Vidal also said, “Trust a nitwit society like this one to think that there are only two categories - fag and straight.”

[KellyJameson]

There are two energies that all people hold within them and can be symbolically represented by testosterone and estrogen even though it is not purely symbolic but actual.

One energy creates the desire to penetrate (act on) and the other to be penetrated (be acted on)

Usually the energy to penetrate is strongest in a male and weakest in a female and the energy to be penetrated is strongest in a female and weakest in a male.

These two energies in a crossdresser are equally strong (and they were born that way) creating a tension as each energy seeks dominance (need to be expressed and experienced) so they have the "potential" to be bi-sexual but not the "need" to be.

The sex act is the result of the mixture and relationship of these two energies to each other.

Within certain people this energy can flip back and forth in dominance so you want to "act on" and be "acted on" like a form of movement through time.

Crossdressing can be the expression of both these energies in that when you feel feminine "acted on" but see the image of yourself as a female so than experience the energy of wanting to "act on" creating the experience of both energies happening simultanously so you have the experience of the " self f..k " wanting to "act on" and " acted on" at the same time.

This could be highly addictive because there are than no restraints, you have
made two into one.

Sexuality is the expression of the relationship between two opposite energies in each person and this relationship was determined at birth so it is part of you that you than learn ways of finding harmony with (inner peace) so there is no majority only each person finding their own
truth.

[JeanneF]

Gay and straight are socially constructed categories that only describe some people. I think the late, great, Gore Vidal had it right when he said, "There is no such thing as a homosexual or a heterosexual person. There are only homo- or heterosexual acts. Most people are a mixture of impulses if not practices." A wise person on this forum, in another context, once asked what it would be like if we only had the categories of apples, oranges and banana's to describe all the different fruits (LOL!). Yet that is exactly what we try to do with sexuality. We try to sort all the fruits into straight/bi/gay and argue endlessly about which one of these categories admirers,"male lesbians" and those who are "bi when dressed" belong to when it is obvious that they belong to "none of the above." Gore Vidal also said, “Trust a nitwit society like this one to think that there are only two categories - fag and straight.”

Amen to that.

I swear, this board sometimes can be more homophobic than an Evangelical Preacher's Conference (and has just as many closet queers).

[Gaby2]

There are two energies that all people hold within them...
Sexuality is the expression of the relationship between two opposite energies in each person and this relationship was determined at birth so it is part of you that you than learn ways of finding harmony with (inner peace) so there is no majority only each person finding their own
truth.

Thanks for that Kelly... and thanks Gena
:rose2: Gaby

[Lorileah]

my take is from personal experiance of so called straight cds and some of the post that I see here when some one ask gay or bi and there is always a larger group tha are that. You must not reading all the posts and threads here. It isn't even near a majority.
I had also attended a crossdressing group in Dallas for two or three meetings and I can tell you that out of 25 or so members the majority where gay and bi. Please, I agree that there are many that are straight as am I, but how do you explain when at the CDs at the events are hooking up. When I was there I was approached by a "straight CD from Austin, Tx and wanted to as he said fool around. I must repeat and I know that I am painting with a brad brush, and I guess we well have to agree to disagree.

I'm just guessing here but maybe most of the ones that attend use it as an opportunity to hook up or make new like minded friends. I'm thinking the straight ones might be in relationships already. :yt:what Marleena said :) Making assumptions based on a small cross section ( a cross section of cross dressers :)) is not a good idea. There have been scientific studies on this and they always bear out that 50% or greater are straight, 40% or so are bi and 10% are gay. Just like in the non-crossdressing world. Your outlook would make most the men in a bar unmarried. Just because they hit on the girl on the next stool does not make them single. Maybe there is a problem with semantics here. Let's understand a few things that I have learned form being in the world and here. 50% or more of the crossdressers will never get beyond the closet. Thus you have never met that 50% in public. Let's just say out of the 50% who do get out, most go for a drive or to the gas station and never any further, so they won't be in your cross section either. So at the very least we have probably eliminated 60% (actually more but since I don't have any actual numbers we will go with 60% it is good for the following illustration). That would make the majority not on your list. But even so, the ones who go to bars or meetings or clubs or hotels are a small minority. Thus why we as transgendered people have so much trouble convincing the rest of the world we are just your normal every day run of the mill suburban (ok not that) neighbor. You are falling into the same trap and mind set that most people have of the TG community. That we are sexual ( I was going to say deviants...but that isn't even right) oddities. That what you see in the media is what we are. It isn't. You are interacting with a small part of the community. You may make a statement that "of the x number of TG's I have met the majority are bi or gay" But saying that in general TG's are bi or gay is...well wrong.

These views are from a long life as a crossdresser only. Me too. :Peace:But I want to make this abundantly clear for the SO's and lurkers who will read this thread. It isn't true. If you are a CD and reading this, you are who you are. Don't believe you have to be gay or bi to dress. And wives and SO's...OMG your husband isn't out there hitting on guys.

[ReineD]

Reinel, thanks for the tread you sent, I went to that thread titled "Crossdressing and the Male Attraction" and by far almost 85% said that as dressed in women's clothing the have or would consider being wit a CD or a "man's Touch". In my book that makes you gay or BI. This is from members on this site. So despute that! All I'm saying is that even if you are a crossdresser and want to be with an other crossdresser is a man and a man no ifs or butts. This said there is nothing wrong with that, just do not go around saying that you are straig, that' all!

No. :)

If you look into it a little deeper, you'll see there are many CDers who *think* they are attracted to men when in fact they haven't tested the waters and figured out whether actually having sex with men is a turn-off or not. And there doesn't seem to be a desire to go ahead with the "testing", since I guess the fantasy is enough on its own. So the attraction is not to the man, but to a faceless penis that serves to emphasize and enhance feelings of femininity, which autogynephilics find arousing. The attraction is therefore to the image of the self as a woman and this is not a description of someone who is homosexual.

I'm not saying there aren't CDers who are gay, of course there are. And CDers who are bi, straight, and asexual, just the same as in the non-CDing population. The biggest difference IMO between CDers and non-CDers is the presence of a fifth sexual orientation (if you want to look at it that way) among some CDers, which is to the self as a woman (autogynephilia). THIS is what can so easily mask as an attraction to a man since it is the fantasy of a penis that serves to enhance feelings of femininity. :p

So don't base your perceptions on all the flirting you see online or all the wishing/fantasy posts. In real life it is likely that many/most (?) of these CDers would be turned off to find themselves in a sexual relationship as one male-bodied individual with another, which would be a turn-on only if someone is homosexual.


Edit - Also, be aware that in any discussion forum, it is mostly the people who feel positively about the question who will answer. If the question is, "How many of you are into guys?" most of the responses will be from members who fantasize about guys. If the question is "Who among you is straight?", you'll see a majority of responses from members who don't fantasize about men.

Also, do a physical count. Go back and count how many posts you've seen in the last three months from members who have had sex with men (while dressed and not dressed), and produce a ratio with the 7,000 people who have logged into this forum in the last three months. You'll likely get less than one percent.

[Vickie_CDTV]

One thing to bear in mind is that the images you are seeing on those sites are gay/bi trans who put those pictures out there because they are looking for attention of some sort or the other from other gay/bi trans or males who are attracted to them. You are not going to see as many images of the heterosexual dresser because they are not interested in drawing attention to themselves, at least in a manner to draw sexual attention to themselves. Think of it this way: If you live in a large city, one of the most visible public images of trans are the street prostitutes. Why? Is that because most trans are prostitutes? Or is it because they choose to make themselves visible (part of the job.) The average hetero TV is not hanging around street corners at night because they mostly dress in private, and therefore you don't see them; it does not mean they do not exist.

[Gena Gurl]

You must not reading all the posts and threads here. It isn't even near a majority.
:yt:what Marleena said :) Making assumptions based on a small cross section ( a cross section of cross dressers :)) is not a good idea. There have been scientific studies on this and they always bear out that 50% or greater are straight, 40% or so are bi and 10% are gay. Just like in the non-crossdressing world. Your outlook would make most the men in a bar unmarried. Just because they hit on the girl on the next stool does not make them single. Maybe there is a problem with semantics here. Let's understand a few things that I have learned form being in the world and here. 50% or more of the crossdressers will never get beyond the closet. Thus you have never met that 50% in public. Let's just say out of the 50% who do get out, most go for a drive or to the gas station and never any further, so they won't be in your cross section either. So at the very least we have probably eliminated 60% (actually more but since I don't have any actual numbers we will go with 60% it is good for the following illustration). That would make the majority not on your list. But even so, the ones who go to bars or meetings or clubs or hotels are a small minority. Thus why we as transgendered people have so much trouble convincing the rest of the world we are just your normal every day run of the mill suburban (ok not that) neighbor. You are falling into the same trap and mind set that most people have of the TG community. That we are sexual ( I was going to say deviants...but that isn't even right) oddities. That what you see in the media is what we are. It isn't. You are interacting with a small part of the community. You may make a statement that "of the x number of TG's I have met the majority are bi or gay" But saying that in general TG's are bi or gay is...well wrong.
Me too. :Peace:But I want to make this abundantly clear for the SO's and lurkers who will read this thread. It isn't true. If you are a CD and reading this, you are who you are. Don't believe you have to be gay or bi to dress. And wives and SO's...OMG your husband isn't out there hitting on guys.

Lorieleah. I beg to differ and this is just one of many threads on the subject, but in the tread Crossdresers and the Male attraction had 65 post of the 65 posts 48 people said that they had, or would do it with a CD or a man and this is from a thread here, you can go back and check it.Also about 12 that woud like to do it. I my self are in volved with a GG so I'm not trying to scare them off or scare them at all specialy the supportive ones and the newbees, but now that you brought up the subject of GGs How many posts have I've seen where the CD (in or out of the closet that suaore to the wife/gf that they are straigt) is caught sending and or meeting other CD online. I do not have any kind of agenda as some one posted, I love to crossdress and admire most of the women here. I'm sure i am not the first and wont be the last to to bring this up.

[ReineD]

I beg to differ and this is just one of many threads on the subject, but in the tread Crossdresers and the Male attraction had 65 post of the 65 posts 48 people said that they had, or would do it with a CD or a man and this is from a thread here, you can go back and check it.Also about 12 that woud like to do it.

Gena, you really need to pay attention to the explanation for this that I've provided in my prior posts.

Or, you can go on believing what you WANT to believe and not pay attention to the people who have been here for years, participated in tens of thousands or threads, go regularly to TG events and support groups, talk to all the wives, etc.

It's entirely up to you.

http://www.freeclipartnow.com/d/2305-1/ostrich-head-In-Sand.jpg ;)

[Gena Gurl]

Ok, I give up! I guess I will be be one of a tiny minority that feels this way. Am not going to belabor the subject any more and will try to stay with not so contreversial a subject. Please alow me tell to tell you that there are no hard feelings at all and hope that I did not offend too many of you all. Thanks Gena

[Lorileah]

but now that you brought up the subject of GGs How many posts have I've seen where the CD (in or out of the closet that suaore to the wife/gf that they are straigt) is caught sending and or meeting other CD online.

Since I read 80% of the threads posted here, I would say very few. Most are from a SO who feels deceived or has their trust broken but has never caught or even heard of her SO having sex with a man. I cannot even remember when a SO posted recently that their CD partner liked sex with men. Maybe some about being online but that is not physically interacting with a man. Like Reine said, there is a fantasy life here and a reality life. There are those who think it would be fun, right up until they actually have to touch someone. And with that:dh2:

[Tracii G]

Some like to argue semantics but what does that accomplish?
If you like sex with the same gender have at it,if you don't then don't.
Why worry when the end result negligible at best.

[Amalthea]

A simple way to clear the confusion is as close as this website. Statistically speaking, the members here might or might not represent the entire CD population but they do represent a (sub)segment. The idea is to survey this cross-section of the population. In other words, this site could ask members to answer a short (or not) voluntary survey for fun while providing interesting information potentially accurate enough to help define the population. The survey (or questions of the week...whatever), using only multiple choices, like seen on other websites, could provide instant tabulated responses to-date and a member could only participate once of course.

Just a thought.

[Kate Simmons]

That is the million dollar question, isn't it Gena? A question that can only be answered by each one of us individually.:)

[Kelli Ca]

I don't know about anyone else I look at the pics to see how. Passable and the fashion side of it all. I am married love women have no desire to be with any man, I simply think that what we call " women's " clothes are a lot nicer looser fitting more comfortable and a lot more sexy. In nature I have read that it is the male who is usually more colorful and such why change that? Just saying and besides gay straight bi who gives a damn

[kellycan27]

I hear tell it's like 80% str8... unless they're en femme, then all bets are off ! :heehee:

[Frédérique]

Are the majority of CDs and TGs straight?

Here’s a quote from the late Gore Vidal that you may find enlightening:

“We are all bisexual to begin with. That is a fact of our condition. And we are all responsive to sexual stimuli from our own as well as from the opposite sex. Certain societies at certain times, usually in the interest of maintaining the baby supply, have discouraged homosexuality. Other societies, particularly militaristic ones, have exalted it. But regardless of tribal taboos, homosexuality is a constant fact of the human condition and it is not a sickness, not a sin, not a crime ... despite the best efforts of our puritan tribe to make it all three. Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. Notice I use the word 'natural,' not normal.”

:clap:

[Sally24]

My experience is much more than going to a few conventions. I've spent much of the last 6 years helping run t-girl social clubs and by and away the largest group are hetero. There are plenty of bi and gay CDs but the majority are straight. Most of my online friends are also straight. Your experiences aren't typical of the CD community.

[Miranda-E]

Here's my two cent's worth, as a life long crossdresser. I see by many threads that say that the majority of CDs are straight, but my experiance has been that I do not believe that. Why? (and I do not want to upset any one it is just a personal observation) I, like alot of you go to sites like Flickr and You Tube and a meriad of porn cites that most have either cds with men or cds with cds. By far it is not straight men. Let me also say that all though I am straight I find my self attracted to a beautifull CD not becase she looks like a woman, but knowing that she is a beautiful CD. I have never been with an other CD or wanted to be with a man, but I think we need to be honest. I know I'm going to get a lot of flack from this, but this is my observation from years of crossdressing and trying to figure things out. All this said I do not harbor any ill will to those who want to be with men or CDs, just be honest whether gay or bi. Again just an oppinion, Thanks Gena

The ones you meet on the internet claim to be the most strait.
The ones you meet in person are much less so.
The ones you meet with their wives in earshot are very strait
The ones you meet with their wives not in earshot are are much less so.

[molly1985]

I don't think it really matters what we are. I am 100% straight and not even interested in guys. There's a difference between CD's and TG's, and I fit in the CD's. I only want to be the women I feel like I am when I want. I don't ever think about surgery or turning my body into a women. I joined this forum because I like to wear womens clothes and meet other lovely women just like me.

[ReluctantDebutant]

I think what also skews your numbers are lots and lots of CDers who are deep in the closet that they wouldn't come to a site like this. Their strong denialcoming from a deeply ingrained sense of hetrosexuallity

[Julogden]

Gena, I was out and about a lot during the late 1980's through the 1990's, met A LOT of CD's over the years, and I agree with you. I know the "official" CD stance is that most CD's are as straight as an arrow, but that seriously contradicts what I've personally experienced. As far as I'm concerned, at least 50% of CD's are attracted to other CD's.


The ones you meet on the internet claim to be the most strait.
The ones you meet in person are much less so.
The ones you meet with their wives in earshot are very strait
The ones you meet with their wives not in earshot are are much less so.

Yep, sums it up very well.

Carol :hugs:

[Eryn]

..., like alot of you go to sites like Flickr and You Tube and a meriad of porn cites that most have either cds with men or cds with cds. By far it is not straight men.

If you go by the examples on those sites you will also deduce that the average woman has DDD breasts and the average man's endowment rivals a horse's in size.

That industry is not promoting the average image. They are promoting what sells, and straight CDers just don't sell very well despite their realism.

[Jenniferathome]

You have lumped me into a group in which I do not merit membership. As I read your post, you come across as a closet homosexual who wants to legitimize his "heterosexuality" by making your behavior and interests seem typical. You are not typical. In fact, most men do not peruse sex sites, straight men are not attracted to men dressed as women. To each his own, but don't drag me into your fantasy.

[ME2.0]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but straight here also. Been with the same woman since 1994 and now have a 6 month old daughter. Wife knows about "Staci" and supports it. Sex isn't the only reason guys crossdress. I prefer to use it as an escape from my persona when I need a break. Ever have life pile up on you, and you wish you were someone else if just for a little while? Me too. I spend a night as Staci, and I'm alot more relaxed the next day.

Porn is a terrible way to stereotype crossdressers. Some do it for fetish, some do it for sex, some do it for money, some do it for attention, some do it for psycological reasons, some do it just because they want to rebel. I don't even have straight sex while I'm Staci. Staci isn't a sexual being, but I like to try to look sexy being her.

But please don't use porn to try to put a finger on us. We're quite a bit more deep than what's portrayed in those films.

Hugs,
Staci

[amielts]

Straight and gay are just labels, which are problematic for those who are gender non-conforming anyway. Being true to yourself is what matters.

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Gena, Speaking for myself straight as am arrow.

[Marleena]

This debate will always go on. Some are convinced the majority of us are gay or bi and scientific studies are wrong. Fact is I don't care what anybody else's sexual preference is. It does not affect me or bother me in the least. In other words, who cares?

[avant1465]

".... no amount of scientific data will sway me...."

Doesn't that sound like LOTS of people who have their minds made up about some subject/issue... and want to spout off, but don't really want to partake of any REAL "discussion" and/or exchange of ideas?????

[TeresaL]

Hi Gena. Based on the circumstances and places you frequent, your conclusion is probably correct. Also, the scientific data is could be somewhat flawed and skewed due to nature of crosdressing in general. I've never checked it out, but based on my own experience have come up with my own conclusions.

Closeted MtF are not contacted by the researchers if they stay closeted. DADT aren't included if they don't tell. Married MtF are probably going home after work, and might just stay there. I've never taken a survey, and maybe only a few of this site have. This is a big forum with a huge input for researchers to delve into. Are APA researchers reading the stuff here, provided there is any value that is?

I would thin that single MtF are more apt to frequent bars, clubs, and engage in either risqué behavior or gay activities. Were you married when you made the observation that you experience?

[Pythos]

I know that I am not attracted to the idea of being with a man. I nearly rejected my ex when we first started dating when I was told that she was a he. I do not dress to attract men, I dress for myself, and for any woman that appreciates the female features on a male. Yes, odd, I know, but there we are.

[Lynn Marie]

Not so sure anymore. Personally, I'm still pretty partial to the ladies. Maybe it's just that I seem to be able to talk with them so much easier. We don't compete, we compliment each other.

[Gena Gurl]

Hi Gena. Based on the circumstances and places you frequent, your conclusion is probably correct. Also, the scientific data is could be somewhat flawed and skewed due to nature of crosdressing in general. I've never checked it out, but based on my own experience have come up with my own conclusions.

Closeted MtF are not contacted by the researchers if they stay closeted. DADT aren't included if they don't tell. Married MtF are probably going home after work, and might just stay there. I've never taken a survey, and maybe only a few of this site have. This is a big forum with a huge input for researchers to delve into. Are APA researchers reading the stuff here, provided there is any value that is?

I would thin that single MtF are more apt to frequent bars, clubs, and engage in either risqué behavior or gay activities. Were you married when you made the observation that you experience?

Yes, I was married, but never fully out to my wife, she knew of my liking panties and she would buy me some and let me wear 24/7, but never diclosed my wanting to dress fully. That said and I do not want to piss of people again, I was and still am straight (someone posted that I am hidding repressed homosexual inclinings, which I do not I am 100% into GGs). I was just comenting on a life long of many personal experiances with so called straight CDs (some even married) that wanted something more than just friendship. Just saying.

[NicoleScott]

".... no amount of scientific data will sway me...."

Doesn't that sound like LOTS of people who have their minds made up about some subject/issue... and want to spout off, but don't really want to partake of any REAL "discussion" and/or exchange of ideas?????

Yes, and further attempts to convince are "kicking a dead horse".

[lthrambertv]

Yes, and further attempts to convince are "kicking a dead horse".

Amen to that! IMHO I think we've kicked the dead horse too many times.

[kellycan27]

I was and still am straight (someone posted that I am hidding repressed homosexual inclinings, which I do not I am 100% into GGs). I was just comenting on a life long of many personal experiances with so called straight CDs (some even married) that wanted something more than just friendship. Just saying.

Maybe they just think that you "protest too much", in regards to your "I am not gay" statements. You yourself seem to think that there are more "gay" cder's than some will admit..... And should your claim to be straight carry any more weight than theirs? Just saying.

[TeresaL]

Amen to that! IMHO I think we've kicked the dead horse too many times.

Gotcha. Copy on that. I is gone, rodger and out.

[ME2.0]

Gena, The reason most straight people claim that crossdressers are gay is because anyone who does something out of the norm is easier dealt with by claiming that they belong to a different group. It happens with race, with crime, with sexual orientation. When a straight guy sees a man in a skirt, he can't believe what he's seeing. The easiest way for him to deal with it is to say, I'm straight, and I don't do that, therefore, he must not be straight. He could not comprehend how a man who wears a skirt could possibly come from his group.

You see this same thing with gays and child molesters. Gays have a difficult time admitting that a child molester who is male and preys on male children could be homosexual. They try to use every semantic to put him in a different group as them, but by definition, if you have have sex or desire sex with someone of the same sex as you, you are homosexual. I have no problem admitting that some sex offenders are heterosexual and some are homosexual, but some people can't stand the idea that less desireable people may share their group.

I think an important question here is: Why is it so important to you that people agree with you. Does it make you feel more secure in your own sexuality if they agree? Do you feel less balanced if they don't? What if half of the people agree with you? Is that good enough for you? I guess better stated: Why is the question and it's answer so important to you?

The true answer is: there is no answer. It's different for everyone. And it isn't right and it isn't wrong. It just is. You may be a sexually promiscuous homosexual, trying to bang every neighbor guy on the block, but you can't justify your sexuality by trying to get everyone who's a crossdresser to say, "yeah, we want to bang all of our neighbor guys too." As you can see from all of the wonderful people that took the time to answer you, crossdressing isn't a one size fits all hobby or lifestyle.

Don't look for yourself too long, you might miss alot of great scenery and people along the way.
Staci

[NathalieX66]

I'm madly attracted to women.
Heck, I'd even be one.
I'll be willing to do hormone replacement therapy (HRT) just to be one.
I guess I'm trans lesbian. I'll leave it at that.....goodnight!

[geri]

misty,

me too.
geri

[CassieCutie]

I love women, and men! I do have to say I notice more men while en femme though! LOL

[Cheryl T]

Can't speak for anyone else, but the majority of this gal is straight.

[May(be)]

I'm madly attracted to women.
Heck, I'd even be one.
I'll be willing to do hormone replacement therapy (HRT) just to be one.
I guess I'm trans lesbian. I'll leave it at that.....goodnight!

I can echo those sentiments. This is impossible for me at this time, though.

[sometimes_miss]

Either we are straight, or we wish we were straight (you can see this by the huge number of men here who create female personas/identities in order to distance those female personality traits from their male self, they are so upset by the prospect of being female; just read how many supposedly 'straight' males here openly admit to being sexually attracted to males, wanting to date and have sex with other males BUT ONLY when they are in their 'female' identity). There is such a huge stigma against homosexuality, that any boy who grows up with any feminine feelings usually tries to hide it not only from others, but himself as well because we are taught practically as soon as we are self aware that behaving or looking like a girl is the worst thing in the world for a boy, and feminine adjectives and pronouns are routinely used by other people (both male and female) to insult boys when we were growing up. That feeling will last our lifetimes; and it only begins to dissipate when we become emotionally exhausted by all the mental gymnastics necessary to function with the male/female war going on in our subconscious minds.

[RachelRoxx]

Im for the most part straight I guess. I LOVE women but theres something very attractive about a passable sexy CD.

[May(be)]

I'm not even sure what the term "straight" means in the context of the trans community.

Also, why isn't the word crossdresser part of this website's dictionary? It always comes up as a misspelling. We should fix that. If our own forum can't be accepting of our lifestyle, how can the rest of the world? Amirite?

[JasmineD]

Hi Gena Gurl:

Your premise of coming to certain conclusion bases on social media is just laughable especially in case of CDs. First of all those who join or post these site [This forum included] are far more involved and out and about. Very Very latge majority of CD remain in closet and no one else knows. They just derss up privately. Many more are in DADT relationship or even when spouse or small inner circle knows, it is still a private affair. They never go out or attend any events. Those who participate in CD events are also much more advanced in the "Hobby" and some may also be curious to advance to next level or atleast explore it. I would even take medical or pschycological studies with a grain of salt due to same restrain because those who go to therapy have other issues related to it and majority as noted above are never included in it.

Hi KellyJameson:

Desire ot dress up nhas nothing to do with desire to be penetrated. this in one correelation that is even more riduculous than even Gena's premise.

Asr me, 100% streight, no attraction for men [even thought of man's part touching me will make me vomit]. Happily marriied to GG and will stay that way for ever

[kellycan27]

I'm not even sure what the term "straight" means in the context of the trans community.

Also, why isn't the word crossdresser part of this website's dictionary? It always comes up as a misspelling. We should fix that. If our own forum can't be accepting of our lifestyle, how can the rest of the world? Amirite?

Nope urwrong because it is a misspelling .. the correct spelling is two words... cross dresser not crossdresser. Crossdresser is used as one word for the web address. If you want to look it up in say.. Webster's Dictionary you'll find it under cross-dressing or cross-dresser. I think straight means the same thing here as it does everywhere else.. as in heterosexual.

[sometimes_miss]

Im for the most part straight I guess. I LOVE women but theres something very attractive about a passable sexy CD.
'Passable' CD's generate all the visual sex signals that genuine girls do; men are visual creatures, and respond to what we see. Especially since those CD's make every effort to display those female visual signals to the max, hair is sexy, make up is sexy, outfit, shoes, behavior usually sexually exaggerated. It's a normal response; but do you see any men attracted to tall, fat and homely crossdressers wearing a wig that doesn't fit and a moo moo dress? No? I didn't think so. I've never been attracted to men; but last night on TV I was watching a show I think called Rosetti and Isles, and there was a scene with a TG prostitute, and my initial reaction was, oh my god is she hot, and the feeling didn't go away even after he started talking making it apparent that he was a guy, that's how strong our visual input impacts our decisions.

[Ayame]

The reality is both gender and sexuality is different in every person, with infinite combinations. Why is this even an issue? I feel often cross dressers that are straight feel the need to say they are into women. Why would they do this? This is because being a cross dresser puts them outside the societal norm, so by flaunting their sexuality, they are trying to justify why they should be back in the norm. "I might be a cross dresser, but no no no I'm not into men". Tying to figure out sexuality amongst cross dressers is as silly as tying to find it out amongst Hispanic people, gardeners, and plumbers. Love who you want to and be with who you want to be, you will most likely find no special demographics amongst cross dressers, since there are people that are gay/straight/bi/pan/asexual etc... from all walks of life.

[Lorileah]

I can't believe this thread is still going on....

but do you see any men attracted to tall, fat and homely crossdressers wearing a wig that doesn't fit and a moo moo dress?

Hey sometimes_miss, you must hang out at the same bars I do :)

[cdkrista420]

It's really impossible to label this. I'm only physically attracted to girls, but I can be sexually attracted to anyone sexi

[kellycan27]

It's really impossible to label this. I'm only physically attracted to girls, but I can be sexually attracted to anyone sexi

How about.. heteroflexible? :heehee: I know it works for me.

[cdkrista420]

How about.. heteroflexible? :heehee: I know it works for me.

Ya, that probably works :battingeyelashes:

[cdlovesy]

Personally I'm straight, but open minded. I won't dismiss the possibility but still wont say its gonna happen.

[Aylineira]

OK I guess I'll throw my vote in.

I am a straight crossdresser. I've been this way even before I knew what sex was (Tried on mom's heels when i was 5 or 6). I have always loved how women's clothes felt on me and looked.

Those porn sites and other social media sites are a poor source material. I certainly wouldn't write a paper citing my sources from any of those places.

[xdressed]

I think part of the confusion here is that you'll see someone who says they are a straight CDer but you assume they are gay or bi because they have come onto you or another CDer, whereas you haven't factored in all the straight CDs that didn't. Also, sexuality becomes kind of vague when gender itself becomes more fluid. The reason many of us straight crossdressers can find another highly passable crossdresser attractive even though we know they are a man is the same reason we can be turned on by a drawing of an attractive lady. It is the image of a woman rather than women themselves

[KellyCT2011]

I would have to say I am bi. I am only into guys while dressed as "Kelly". While in guy mode, I have no interest in men whatsoever.

[JohannaSophia]

I am only sexually attracted to women although I enjoy anal play and am honestly curious what the real thing would feel like...maybe in the right situation. That would have nothing to do with Crossdressing unless for some reason the top needed me to do it.

It is a good question if I were young and unattached how I would respond to a truly feminine crossdresser, I like to think I would have had as open a mind as I do today.

[krissy]

Im straight and I have been dressing since 10 I love my wife but i also love to dress

[sissystephanie]

I have been dressing enfemme since I was 6 years old, and I am now 80! I was married for almost 50 years to a dear lady who totally supported my crossdressing. Over the many years of being a crossdresser, as Stephanie I was out in public frequently. Many times as Stephanie I have been approached by men who obviously wanted to have sex. I have never done that and never will. I am a crossdresser, but I am still a MAN and always will be! And I believe that the majority of MTF CD's are totally straight!!

[NathalieX66]

TG folks, I see , are pansexual.
I've met many hetero & married TG folks, some who are just crossdressers , others who are transsexual.
I've met many bisexual crossdressers that are also somewhere of the spectrum of crossdresser and/or transsexual. FYI: one is transsexual, not is a transsexual. It's a mind or brain wiring issue.
MTF crossdressers that are gay, I swear the number falls off. You go into a gay club, and you can be admired by guys, but the numbers seem to be into the guy/guy action.
My advice is: don't compare yourself to others. Be yourself as you really are. Find yourself as you really are, and enjoy the journey of life.

[Launa]

I'm not attracted to males. I'm sure if I saw a real good looking CD then I would say wow "how cute" but I wouldn't want to be intimate with anybody that resembled a guy ever.............................................. .................................................. ...............

[Davena Doll]

I have been reading this post for a few days now. It looks like 20 to 30 % are Bi, bummer other wise i could fantasize more.

[Michelia]

I think it depends on the circles you find yourself in. I think most CD's are straight by far..even quite a few TS that I know...But most of them are in the closet or at least not as visible! They are spread all over the place...Now if I go to a gay bar and meet my tgirl friends there, they all like guys! But that is a very small sampling of the tg population out there.

There are a lot of us somewhere in the middle. I considered myself totally straight when I joined this site. After a boyfriend or two, I am not sure about that anymore...even though I still prefer girls. But I am finding out that for me it is more about the person than the gender. Of course, if I had never ventured and explored that far, I would probably still see my self as totally straight!

[Michelle.M]

I think most CD's are straight by far..even quite a few TS that I know

You're absolutely correct. I am TS and I am totally straight. And my boyfriend is very happy that I am.

[Rachel Flowers]

This topic is a hardy perennial on this site.

I know this view won't be popular, but I don't believe straight or gay exist as mutually exclusive categories any more than male or female.

In short, we're all bi but we're conditioned to plonk ourselves into one camp or t'other.