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Veronica27
08-16-2012, 12:51 PM
The subject of this thread is not quite what the title might lead you to believe. I am not talking about organizing our belongings, but rather how we can change the perception of the "closet" from something shameful to being something mainstream.

There are all sorts of closets both in our homes and in other places such as the workplace, shops, hotels and so on. We have broom closets, linen closets, clothes closets, as well as a myriad of places we call cupboards or cabinets. We also have these abstract places that we call closets where people hide the fact they they may be gay, tg, cd, s&m, or any other "abnormality". In fact, if you explore the inner depths of most people's persona and psyche, you will find that virtually everyone is in some sort of closet of their own choosing.

Being in the closet can mean one of two things or both. Either your eccentricity is not visible to certain people, or else it is not known by certain people. For example a spouse may know that we crossdress, but never see it, because she does not wish to, or we do not wish to have her see us. Conversely, a friend might see us dressed to the nines at a Halloween party, without ever realizing that that is what we often do. In addition, some people may both see us and be aware, while others may never see us and be totally unaware. When looked at from this perspective, there are things about everybody that we are either unaware of, or never see. So being in the closet about crossdressing is not that unusual in the grand scheme of things as we tend to keep many things private.

Abstract closets come in many sizes and their dimensions are very fluent. We can expand or contract them as we see fit in either their visual or knowledgeable aspects. Just as virtually everybody possesses their own closets, almost every crossdresser is in his/her own closet, some quite tiny and some extremely huge. Our closets expand with everybody to whom we disclose our secret by either showing or telling (wouldn't it be refreshing if this could be a show and tell topic at school). It also expands by every adventure that we take while crossdressed, whether it be leaving the seclusion of our bedroom to explore other rooms in our home, or taking a trip to the mall to do some shopping. Every CD or TG event we attend, or walk in the park we take serves to expand our closet.

But how large can our closet become, and does it ever disappear? Some claim they are totally out of the closet, but as long as certain people remain unaware, such as an employer, then their closet exists. If there are places they would not or cannot go, such as their job, a funeral, a family gathering, then they are not totally out of their closet.

So being in the closet about our crossdressing is a totally normal and socially acceptable thing to be, in exactly the same way as your neighbour's wish to not disclose to everybody that he does crossword puzzles in the bathtub while sipping a glass of his favourite wine. By stressing the benefits of escaping from the closet and allowing ourselves the freedom to express ourselves, are we in fact harming the overall wellbeing of the community as a whole by reinforcing the stigma that there is an element of shame involved in crossdressing as evidenced by the existence of the closet to some extent for almost every crossdresser? Should we instead be normalizing the "crossdressing closet" by our words and actions? Those who are extremely out and about could emphasize the "choice" aspect of maintaining their privacy in some circumstances rather than the "need" aspect of doing so in order to maintain safety or job security etc. Those who are quite closeted should attempt to present an aura of pride rather than one of shame if accidently discovered.

All of this is difficult on a case by case basis, but if the overall thrust of the community's efforts was directed toward the normalcy aspects of crossdressing and the right to personal choice in privacy matters rather than overcoming shame or attempting to create a special "gender gifted" sense about such matters, perhaps acceptance might come more easily. The gay community gained acceptance by stressing the alternative aspect of their sexuality as opposed to a "special" aspect. Being homosexual in a majority heterosexual environment is no different from being left-handed in a majority right-handed world. I do not get a sense that the TG community has reached a stage of approaching things from that perspective, which hurts the quest of the closeted crossdresser to remove the stigma from his private affairs.

What are your thoughts?

Veronica

Karren H
08-16-2012, 01:18 PM
Mines a water closet.... because I'm always on my wife $h!t list!

kimdl93
08-16-2012, 01:20 PM
I think one need not work so hard to redefine a closet.

Barbara Ella
08-16-2012, 01:26 PM
First, being in the closet is already mainstream, and in no way have I ever seen it implied that it was shameful. It is just a statement of fact. I have stated before, and you echo it, that out closet is continually refined and re defined each time we do something new, and only secondarily has to do with going out. Just a bigger closet. I love my closet because it has so many doors for me to peek out of, and it is already so so big.

Barbara

PS, and mine tends to be the water closet, but that is only due to the prostate.

AllieSF
08-16-2012, 01:40 PM
Good one Kim. We do tend to over think things here, a lot. But to add to the conversation, I am in the closet (the one where I do not tell certain people) to my family, friends, and male mode acquaintances, and out to all others that I meet while out and dressed. I am one of those that go out all the time, including tonight to see the Broadway play War Horse. I encourage others to go out when and if they are ready and would never force or shame anyone into doing that. I do not encourage anyone to "come" out to the family, friends, et al, because that is not for me nor anyone else to decide. That is for the individual to decide if and when.

As for the general public's acceptance, or maybe better worded, tolerance, I believe that the more out there the better eventually it will be for us. I really do not care how anyone else presents themselves, because it is their choice and they will have to live with their decisions. I truly believe what others do when presenting over the top have no affect on how others may perceive me. The real world is made up of a lot of adults who have learned through life experiences not to let one bad apple spoil the barrel or serve as the only true representation of a person or group of persons. From a MtF side, so few of us come anywhere close to passing, that going stealth as a CD is basically impossible. I believe that one's character, personality, confidence, presentation and smile are much more important than whether we pass or not. I do not pass, though I think that I blend well, if I could only stop talking to everyone that I meet. But right there, by being me, I am in a a way being an ambassador for all of us. I am introducing strangers to CD's (me and my friends) and I think making a good impression on them at the same time.

So, being in the closet is really up to the individual, while being out of the closet in some way is the same and can better serve our conflicted community.

Beverley Sims
08-16-2012, 02:05 PM
My closet is more like a maze.
Every turn brings new discoveries.

franlee
08-16-2012, 02:27 PM
This thread makes me think of the rush my wife or myself one has to go through every month when the exterinator comes by to spray. Our closet is mixed with all our clothes and shoes but the shoes are in boxes and what aren't are unisex. But everything I have layed out or have put in the dirty-clothes are evidently not hers so the need to insure they are in the hamper or placed out of sight is important. The exterminator is an old friend and known for carrying a tale. But the closet is fully common ground for all of our specialty clothes and things. So coming out of the closet in my case would be a leteral possibility.

jodie k
08-16-2012, 03:00 PM
sometimes my panties are all over the place. I scoop them up...sometimes i miss.

Mikaela
08-16-2012, 03:21 PM
My closet is bigger than most, but I'm still in it.

My ears are pierced, my eyebrows are tweezed, my nails are a little longer than they should be, and my body is as shaved as I can keep it (need laser!)
I came out to my mom, I have friends in the TG community here in LA that know me in both guises. An ex-wife and ex-mother-in-law know (ex wife told after, ex MiL found out via FB). An old friend from back east knows. Everyone is cool with it, but I won't tell anyone I work with, etc. It's not something I wear on my sleeve. I can easily go to TG friendly places, but I don't like going to more mainstream places yet, much less out in the day.

So, I'm still in a closet, but it's just not only at home with no one else knowing.

ReineD
08-16-2012, 03:36 PM
Should we instead be normalizing the "crossdressing closet" by our words and actions?

If all crossdressers were to publicly and unapologetically dress at work, at family functions, and everywhere else, I agree that society would eventually see the behavior as being "normal" and it would no longer be stigmatized .... but, this would be true only IF there was a significant ratio of CDs to non-CDs. As it is, the ratio is very small and even if all CDers who dress for identity reasons should come out to everyone, the numbers are too few for the CDing to ever become mainstream. IMO.

RADER
08-16-2012, 04:00 PM
Mines a water closet.... because I'm always on my wife $h!t list!

Karren; that is very understandable. Remember to flush twice, It can be a long way home.
Rader

Veronica27
08-16-2012, 04:40 PM
First, being in the closet is already mainstream, and in no way have I ever seen it implied that it was shameful. It is just a statement of fact. Barbara

PS, and mine tends to be the water closet, but that is only due to the prostate.

Most closets are mainstream, but I am not too sure about the crossdressing closet meeting that level of public acceptance and awareness. My point is that we should be striving to remove any stigma from the crossdressing closet and attempt to achieve the necessary recognition. It is the crossdressing, not the closet, that leads to the unnecessary shame, but the closet, by association, becomes stigmatized as well as it becomes the means for hiding our shame.

How could I forget the water closet as it has become such a vital part of my life? You are probably too young to remember when Jack Paar's "W.C." reference was bleeped from the Tonight show, causing him to walk off the show for about three weeks. The incident seems ridiculous now given the state of T.V. programming these days.

Veronica

Veronica27
08-16-2012, 05:00 PM
If all crossdressers were to publicly and unapologetically dress at work, at family functions, and everywhere else, I agree that society would eventually see the behavior as being "normal" and it would no longer be stigmatized .... but, this would be true only IF there was a significant ratio of CDs to non-CDs. As it is, the ratio is very small and even if all CDers who dress for identity reasons should come out to everyone, the numbers are too few for the CDing to ever become mainstream. IMO.

I don't think that crossdressing will ever be "normal" or even "mainstream". However, I would hope that the stigma could eventually be dispelled leaving us in the same position as so many other eccentricities that people seldom worry about, and just accept. We can't expect them to fully understand, especially the non- TG forms of crossdressing, as has been more eloquently stated in another recent thread (I can't find it at the moment). But how many of us understand why people do a lot of odd-ball (to us) things? Our closets should be no different than theirs; just a place to protect our privacy. It shouldn't be necessary for most to forsake their chosen closets in order to remove the stigma.

Veronica

Veronica27
08-16-2012, 05:11 PM
I think one need not work so hard to redefine a closet.

Not so much a definition, just a description. If there's going to be any work involved, I'm out of here. I'm enjoying my retirement too much.:battingeyelashes:

Veronica

BLUE ORCHID
08-16-2012, 05:27 PM
Hi Veronica, It is like another label that we don't need.

docrobbysherry
08-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Interesting viewpoint, Veronica! However, my understanding of the 1000's of members here is that MOST, by a large number, r closeted! I'll assume being closeted for MANY also means NOT spending much time posting at cs.com?

If u feel stigmatized by the term, call yourself something else! But, I don't think many closet CDs care WHAT u call them! I certainly don't!

Actually, that's one of the NICEST things folks call me!