Hate crime - again

[johanna.kitten]

Hiya!

So for the third time in five weeks...

I was minding my own down a city centre bar last nite and in my current state I will not pass (CD/TG, 10 months on HRT). A middle aged kinda brute "working class/blue collar" male with his SO/GG next to him stared to ask me questions to why I presented myself as female. Conversation on his part escalated in less than 20s into threats of violence and threatening behavior. SO tried to step in...

As every single thing I do is recorded 24/7, I got it all on video (encrypted and stored in 5 locations) I checked with the staff - the person is a known regular. An apology was relayed to me via the staff and not accepted. Obviously - as he did not even have the courage to apologise in person.

A visit to the local one stop cop shop and this is now a police matter - I will never stand down. Calling my lawyer first thing tomorrow morning.

Hugs
/Giovanna

[Launa]

This guy is a wa*ker, its is a good thing that you won't back down. You said this is the 3rd time in 5 weeks, are these incidents happening the same parts of the city?

[johanna.kitten]

Yeah, from now on I will develop 0 tolerance when it comes to these things.

Well, twice it has happened in pretty much the same area, but I don't think there is any connection with the area itself. The other time it was in another country. I have been once warned about this venue, I was informed it was rough and that I would never be accepted there. So, the more interesting then I thought and the last 4 weeks I've been in there at least 10-15 times and I have already made friends with some of the regulars, got them on FB and even got contact details of a fully transitioned girl that I met in there. I think I made some progress in educating them a little.

Hugs
/Giovanna

[AudreyTN]

exactly why i have my carry permit. if the violence begins on their end, I'll finish things on my end. I'd have told that clown in a nice manner, it was none of his business and it didn't concern him and then made an attempt to move on down the road or leave or go elsewhere.

[johanna.kitten]

exactly why i have my carry permit. if the violence begins on their end, I'll finish things on my end. I'd have told that clown in a nice manner, it was none of his business and it didn't concern him and then made an attempt to move on down the road or leave or go elsewhere.

I was threatened with violence if I would not leave the premises - so, I replied that I'd leave him well alone but not leave, turned around and walked off to the bar. BTW, I have been informed this person has been heard by the police.

Hugs
/Giovanna

[Thera Home]

Hiya!

I checked with the staff - the person is a known regular.


Next time wait for him in drab and take care of business.:kickbutt::spank::bitchslap:

Thera

[Bree-asaurus]

Next time wait for him in drab and take care of business.:kickbutt::spank::bitchslap:

Thera

Yeah, because violence solves everything...

[Thera Home]

Yeah, because violence solves everything...

Bree
You very well know that some folks just like learning the hard way:D

Thera

[Kathryn Martin]

Yeah, because violence solves everything...

Thank you, Bree you said it all


Next time wait for him in drab and take care of business.:kickbutt::spank::bitchslap:

Thera

Sometimes I wonder whether some just do not get it. There is no drab for us. Just a life to live. And no carrying permit and taking care of business as you state and Audrey implies prevents violence against women, in fact it makes it worse.

[AudreyTN]

Thank you, Bree you said it all



Sometimes I wonder whether some just do not get it. There is no drab for us. Just a life to live. And no carrying permit and taking care of business as you state and Audrey implies prevents violence against women, in fact it makes it worse.

Kathyrn,

I beg to differ. Why do you think criminals make violent attacks in gun free zones? Because they know no one is going to be able to shoot back. If criminals knew people were carrying, they are less likely to commit violent crimes. It doesn't prevent everything, but I'll be dammed if I'm going to be a statistic. Some of you may not give a rip about your personal safety and that's fine, that's your business. I'm not going to just stand there and allow someone to beat me to death because they have a problem with the fact that I am transgender, or because I wear panties and women's clothes.

I guarantee, if transwomen and men had permits and firearms, there would be a lot less attacks. Self-defense is a RIGHT, not a privilege. Ignorant, hateful and bigoted people are out there killing transgender men and women because they simply don't like them or their preference in clothing. I think it's YOU who does not "get it". You can talk to an attacker all you want, but it's not going to stop him or her from beating on you, or killing you.

Force MUST be returned with FORCE, that's the only message criminals understand, and the only message that people that are willing to carry out violent hate crimes against GLBT citizens will ever understand. Enough people respond to FORCE with FORCE, then the attackers will back off and think twice.

This is not a condonation of violence, it's promotion of SELF-DEFENSE. If you don't know the difference, then you should find out. SELF-DEFENSE is the use of force when the threat of serious bodily harm, injury or death is IMMINENT, and that's the only time Self-Defense should ever be exercised.

[kellycan27]

Someone's testosterone is showing :heehee:

[AudreyTN]

Someone's testosterone is showing :heehee:

not really. excercising self-defense has nothing to do with testosterone. I know plenty of women who carry and have permits.

[Tara D. Rose]

AudryTN, you said it so perfectly. I agree with you. I don't like violence, I love peace and harmony. When people oppose violence, I think maybe they're speaking of the initial aggressor, and not the defender. I am not a fan of an out of line aggressor, but I am a strong supporter of retaliation even if it is violent. I know on other threads where we cd's talk of what we would do, some of us that feel this way, have been criticized for saying that if a threat was too strong and definitely about to happen and is imminent, I'm all for doing almost everything I can do to stay out of or get out of a situation. I'll go the other way. I'll even move to another table. I would give them all the room they need, I'll try to defuse the situation as peacefully as I can, even if it sort of makes me look bad in front of my friends. But if they come back over to me and threaten me after I've given them an out, then I'm a firm believer in self defense.

Like in the following link. It's the famous clip where there were a lot of cd's walking in what looks like could be like any downtown somewhere USA at night. It may have been a Tg event in that town. Plenty of people around. Well these three punks were obviously drunk, and they picked a fight with some other men there, they sort of won that fight, then they walked down the street congratulating each other and high fiving each other after just picking the fight. Well they walked on down the street when 2 cd's past them, the shirtless guy turns to follow and verbally harass the two cd's. It got physical in seconds, another cd swiftly walks up and punches one bully and he goes down, then one punch to the other bully and he goes down. The cd's getting harassed simply leaned over them to get some of their personal belongings and didn't give more punishment to the fallen men.
So yes, I hate violence, the kind the bullies in this clip were doing, but I am a supporter of the retaliation violence that quickly ensued. The retaliation wasn't too much. But I do bet those bullies call cd's ma'am and open doors for lady's from now on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLI_IU9fYYc

Peace, Love & Respect,
Tara D. Rose

[johanna.kitten]

Yeah, because violence solves everything...

And if it does not work? Try with more! ;) The guy is only about twice my size so this will be easy...

/Giovanna

[elizabethamy]

Guns so often shoot the wrong person. Especially when those who are using them don't know what they are doing, or just aren't as mean and experienced as their opponent. If I had a gun in my house, I'm sure the only person who would have been endangered by it is me, which is one of a dozen reasons why I'll never have one...(see all the threads on trans suicide rates! If you want to own a weapon, BE SURE that you are not in the 50% of us who have suicidal issues once in a while.)

[ReneeT]

I'm not going to get into the violence discussion, but I loved the video!

[Darla]

There's one thing when you stand up to harassment, another when you take the risk of retaliation but honestly - when you put yourself into a situation where things can escalate and then think that packing heat is a good thing? No seriously. I thing this thread runs the risk of getting shut down.

So of more people are armed we'll all be safer. Where does this stuff come from? Seriously. Does common sense even come into play here? The NRA has brainwashed so many people into believing that if the world were bristling with firearms we would all behave. Well - here's news for us all. People are stupid. Deathly, moronically stupid. And alli it takes is bad judgement on one persons part to start the fusillade of bullets flying. You're basically trusting in the lowest common denominator to keep the peace.

Fantasy.

So to the OP. good for you going to the police. Please stay away from this moron and be glad he doesn't have a carry permit.

[johanna.kitten]

I'm not going to get into the violence discussion, but I loved the video!

Yeah it was kinda funny, bet them muppets did not see that one coming.


So to the OP. good for you going to the police. Please stay away from this moron and be glad he doesn't have a carry permit.

Well, from now on anyone giving me the slightest hint of violence and/or any type of intolerance or hate crime related stuff will be at the receiving end of the attention of my 24/7 video recordings the police and my lawyer. But, sometimes I miss the days when I just came out from navy training (eq. to US marines or the SAS in the UK, in the country I grew up in) and held a job as bodyguard for foreign diplomats, those days are now long gone.

Ah, yes - there are things in this tread that will shut it down I suppose.

Hugs
/Giovanna

[AudreyTN]

AudryTN, you said it so perfectly. I agree with you. I don't like violence, I love peace and harmony. When people oppose violence, I think maybe they're speaking of the initial aggressor, and not the defender. I am not a fan of an out of line aggressor, but I am a strong supporter of retaliation even if it is violent. I know on other threads where we cd's talk of what we would do, some of us that feel this way, have been criticized for saying that if a threat was too strong and definitely about to happen and is imminent, I'm all for doing almost everything I can do to stay out of or get out of a situation. I'll go the other way. I'll even move to another table. I would give them all the room they need, I'll try to defuse the situation as peacefully as I can, even if it sort of makes me look bad in front of my friends. But if they come back over to me and threaten me after I've given them an out, then I'm a firm believer in self defense.

Like in the following link. It's the famous clip where there were a lot of cd's walking in what looks like could be like any downtown somewhere USA at night. It may have been a Tg event in that town. Plenty of people around. Well these three punks were obviously drunk, and they picked a fight with some other men there, they sort of won that fight, then they walked down the street congratulating each other and high fiving each other after just picking the fight. Well they walked on down the street when 2 cd's past them, the shirtless guy turns to follow and verbally harass the two cd's. It got physical in seconds, another cd swiftly walks up and punches one bully and he goes down, then one punch to the other bully and he goes down. The cd's getting harassed simply leaned over them to get some of their personal belongings and didn't give more punishment to the fallen men.
So yes, I hate violence, the kind the bullies in this clip were doing, but I am a supporter of the retaliation violence that quickly ensued. The retaliation wasn't too much. But I do bet those bullies call cd's ma'am and open doors for lady's from now on.


Peace, Love & Respect,
Tara D. Rose

Thank you Tara D. Rose, and I am the first to say, as a transwoman, we must do everything we possibly can to avoid situations like this by watching where we go, who we associate with, who we hang out with, because we are more prone to not only being the recipients of violence, but unfortunately the law does not look kindly upon transwomen, so whenever incidents do happen, we are not held in the same regard as genetic women are. We've seen this with Cici McDonald, who is now serving prison time for killing a man who shattered a beer bottle over her face in self-defense. There's a big difference between self-defense and retaliation.

Self-defense is the stopping of force by returning the force. Retaliation is seeking revenge after the incident has already happened (i.e. you got beaten up, and 2 days later you wait for the person with a gun and shoot them. that's retaliation, and that's illegal). We should never escalate a situation that has already concluded by retaliating.

So I want to adamantly and vigorously say, it's our duty to remove ourselves from potential situations as a FIRST COURSE OF ACTION. If you have trouble at a bar, find another bar (or do the mature thing and don't go to bars at all. The only thing to be found at bars is trouble, egos and men with too much testosterone who think they have something to prove while being under the influence of alcohol.). I stopped going to bars years ago because there is just too much drama, throw in testosterone and alcohol and it's a bad recipe for a bad night. I would rather drink with friends at my apartment or their place, or a restaurant type environment like Applebee's where the atmosphere is much calmer and family oriented. I don't mind going to a gay friendly club and watching drag shows and enjoying myself, but liquor is kept to a minimum, and I never go alone if I can help it, but on the off chance I do, I ask someone to walk me to my car afterwards.

It's our duty to mitigate circumstance as much as possible. Inevitably though, you can do all the right things, and there's still someone, somewhere willing to start trouble with you, and that's the time when you MUST be prepared to deal with it. You can try and talk your way out of it, you can try to leave, but there's always going to be someone who just won't let it go, and won't let you leave and will back you into a corner. That's where the self-defense comes in.

Firearms are only as dangerous as the people using them. With proper training and practice, it's safer than driving a car! Education and hands-on-training are the only remedies. The entire concept behind the carry permit and carrying is to serve as a deterrent to violence and to level the playing field against the aggressor because the majority of aggressors don't want any part of the receiving end of your firearm when it comes down to it, and are usually done with their aggression at that point. I speak from experience, because in July, I was held up at my apartment complex and told to hand over my keys to my car, instead I reached in my purse and grabbed my handgun, pointed it at him and asked him if he still wanted my keys. He actually said "no, ma'am" and took off running lol! I don't know his intentions, didn't care to find out either. That's the only time in my life I've ever had to point a gun at someone, and I hope I never have to again. And no violence was used.

But we are all responsible for our personal safety, and there's no way we can have someone being our bodyguard 24/7, and the police can't be there to hold our hand everywhere we go. So you either carry, or you don't and you take your chances and run the risk of ending up beaten, seriously maimed/injured/paralyzed/brain dead or being killed. but to each their own. I won't feel the least bit sorry if I ever have to shoot an aggressor in self-defense, because they have no idea who is carrying and who isn't, and that's the risk they take. With me, it won't end well for them. All of my trans friends love having me around because I do carry, and they feel much safer with me around, because in TN, we can also act in defense of a third party, so if someone tries attacking my transgender friends, I'm legally able to respond with force to protect them, and that's like having free security! :)

[Tara D. Rose]

I have read every post here. Are we to cower down in the face of hypocrisy? Are we cd's are only to be weak by so many stories where we are beaten and or killed. When so many homophobes thinking that cd's are gay which some are and some are not, and not there that is anything wrong with being gay, that those that wish to do us harm read all of these stories and see us a weak society, an easy pushover, that we cannot defend ourselves, as does lye in the pudding of all the attacks and beatings and even death,......................... that we are such easy victims?????

I do agree that when I am en femme, my demeanor is very subtle, easy going, happy, walking in peace among society. But we are killed and beaten all the time in headlines. Those headlines send a message that we are easy targets and that we don't fight back. I read many of them. So why is it here and maybe elsewhere that when not only me or I and others talk of eye for an eye, or nasty against nasty, that we promote violence, just because we may talk of the audacity to defend ourselves??,,Which can be violent, no to kill, but to get them back and or off of us.

Those that do attack us do live by the sword, and they ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well..will reap what they push.

So is it the popular commonality for cd's to not be willing to defend themselves like the cd at the McDonald's?

Is it that we CD's are just expected to relinquish our natural born desire to life and live?

Should we cower down to any and every threatening situation and threat to our life and livelyhood?

To those that dislike violence which I am one, are and am to submit and appear to be helpless when we are attacked with the threat of extreme bodily harm? If that is so, then do we create another stereotype, that any old fat slob redneck can just slap us around because cross dressers are weak and have no back bone?

Is it that when I and others talk of defending ourselves, that we are merely promoters of violence and that it solves nothing? Or that it is testosterone talking,(which has been implied here) and that the logic for which I speak, comes from hormones,(testosterone) and not a logical thinking mind?

How insulting. With consideration of all the cd's and TS's that were killed not because of who and what they were, but because they thought that they were supposed to be helpless by so many assumptions that they learned from threads like this one. So in closing, will I be criticized and verbally attacked because I believe in defending my life when faced with a life threatening adversay? Or that by exercising my natural born GOD given "will to live" when my life is threatened with violence should be downsized because of "testosterone speaking"?

Should I just wait around till some cd hater wants to hurt me badly just because I am a cd and I should do nothing to defend myself? And is it that if I stand against a violent adversary, that just because I'm a cd, I should just default to helplessness just because I'm a cd? Is it that if I decide to defend myself or talk of what I would do in certain situations, that it is just my male hormones speaking and not that of an intelligent human being with the natural born will to live and protect myself and or my loved ones, just because I'm a cd? Read my previous post on here first before judgement is cast on me. Would it not be that the "testosterone speaking" be just some more man bashing? I think so. When we read threads of a distraught wife with concerns and what she would do, would it the be okay to say, well that is just "estrogen speaking" as if implying that the mind of the woman does no speaking, but just those female hormones?,,As like with testosterone speaking.

Love & Peace and mostly, Respect be with you all.


Tara D. Rose



Love & Respect,


Tara D.Rose
Answer me this question, tomorrow when the sun comes up around noon, will the sky be blue?

[AudreyTN]

I have read every post here. Are we to cower down in the face of hypocrisy? Are we cd's are only to be weak by so many stories where we are beaten and or killed. When so many homophobes thinking that cd's are gay which some are and some are not, and not there that is anything wrong with being gay, that those that wish to do us harm read all of these stories and see us a weak society, an easy pushover, that we cannot defend ourselves, as does lye in the pudding of all the attacks and beatings and even death,......................... that we are such easy victims?????

I do agree that when I am en femme, my demeanor is very subtle, easy going, happy, walking in peace among society. But we are killed and beaten all the time in headlines. Those headlines send a message that we are easy targets and that we don't fight back. I read many of them. So why is it here and maybe elsewhere that when not only me or I and others talk of eye for an eye, or nasty against nasty, that we promote violence, just because we may talk of the audacity to defend ourselves??,,Which can be violent, no to kill, but to get them back and or off of us.

Those that do attack us do live by the sword, and they ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well..will reap what they push.

So is it the popular commonality for cd's to not be willing to defend themselves like the cd at the McDonald's?

Is it that we CD's are just expected to relinquish our natural born desire to life and live?

Should we cower down to any and every threatening situation and threat to our life and livelyhood?

To those that dislike violence which I am one, are and am to submit and appear to be helpless when we are attacked with the threat of extreme bodily harm? If that is so, then do we create another stereotype, that any old fat slob redneck can just slap us around because cross dressers are weak and have no back bone?

Is it that when I and others talk of defending ourselves, that we are merely promoters of violence and that it solves nothing? Or that it is testosterone talking,(which has been implied here) and that the logic for which I speak, comes from hormones,(testosterone) and not a logical thinking mind?

How insulting. With consideration of all the cd's and TS's that were killed not because of who and what they were, but because they thought that they were supposed to be helpless by so many assumptions that they learned from threads like this one. So in closing, will I be criticized and verbally attacked because I believe in defending my life when faced with a life threatening adversay? Or that by exercising my natural born GOD given "will to live" when my life is threatened with violence should be downsized because of "testosterone speaking"?

Should I just wait around till some cd hater wants to hurt me badly just because I am a cd and I should do nothing to defend myself? And is it that if I stand against a violent adversary, that just because I'm a cd, I should just default to helplessness just because I'm a cd? Is it that if I decide to defend myself or talk of what I would do in certain situations, that it is just my male hormones speaking and not that of an intelligent human being with the natural born will to live and protect myself and or my loved ones, just because I'm a cd? Read my previous post on here first before judgement is cast on me. Would it not be that the "testosterone speaking" be just some more man bashing? I think so. When we read threads of a distraught wife with concerns and what she would do, would it the be okay to say, well that is just "estrogen speaking" as if implying that the mind of the woman does no speaking, but just those female hormones?,,As like with testosterone speaking.

Love & Peace and mostly, Respect be with you all.


Tara D. Rose



Love & Respect,


Tara D.Rose
Answer me this question, tomorrow when the sun comes up around noon, will the sky be blue?

i just wanna know one thing Tara.

where the hell is the like button at?

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[Darla]

Ugh. Exhausting. I thInk we all agree on defending ourselves, we just disagree on how to do it. I'm prett sure no one here advocates lying down and curling up into a ball while the rednecks beat us because they're the ones insecure about their sexuality. And does the law discriminate based on who we are? On the books no, but statistically yes.

Being a crossdresser is (now here's an analogy) like a carry permit. If a firearm is out in the open, then the actual firearm has now intrinsic power, but the threat of its use does. Once a firearm is discharged its lost that power and becomes something else entirely.

When we're dressed we're exhibiting our power to express ourselves and challenge social norms, which some people see as an affront to their sexuality or their perceived notion of how life should be.

Now here's the kicker - we emulate the weaker sex, so therefore we should be weak and easy targets. Something women have endured for millennia. We should all pause on that one and not take for granted that women have to always be on guard to avoid situations where they're at risk. Okay so maybe I have it wrong - its like a carry permit in reverse.

In any case - I refuse to be a victim, the OP refuses to be a victim, and those who exercise their amendment rights choose not to be a victim.

Me - I'll choose to stay away from bars, do my best to stay away from compromising situations, slip those heels off and run if need be. I just feel like in defending myself that I might not like the consequences should I suceed.

[max]

i just wanna know one thing Tara.

where the hell is the like button at?


I concur

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[LeaP]

I'm not going to get into the violence discussion ...

Neither am I, but ...


Someone's testosterone is showing :heehee:

I tend to agree with this statement, regardless of one's position on self-defense. I intend this as a serious comment regarding typically male, testosterone-driven threat response, not as a slam. As not to confuse anyone, I don't mean this to imply that anyone here is invalidating their female identity, either. Rather, it makes me wonder about the persistence of the psychological profiles we build, sociologically or biologically, even into HRT, transition and beyond.

[morgan51]

I pray the violence stops but I know in my heart it won't. I agree with much here about being proactive about defending myself whatever means is necessary. Also I haven't been in a fight since I stopped hanging out in bars 18 years ago. Most people are if nothing else dismissive or polite in my locale. I will protect myself if pushed. Common sense goes a long way......

[Aloha Jayne]

As every single thing I do is recorded 24/7, I got it all on video (encrypted and stored in 5 locations)/Giovanna

How do you record everything 24/7? Do you have your own camera crew following you around like a reality show?

[AudreyTN]

Neither am I, but ...



I tend to agree with this statement, regardless of one's position on self-defense. I intend this as a serious comment regarding typically male, testosterone-driven threat response, not as a slam. As not to confuse anyone, I don't mean this to imply that anyone here is invalidating their female identity, either. Rather, it makes me wonder about the persistence of the psychological profiles we build, sociologically or biologically, even into HRT, transition and beyond.

I don't take offense to your statement, but I grew up around firearms for hunting, target practice as well as my training in the military, so to me it's just part of life, and for the past year have had my permit and weapon. I think it's a stereotype to say that firearms or using a firearm in self-defense has anything to do with testosterone though, because plenty of women own their own firearms and plenty of women have carry permits and are willing and able to use them in self-defense if necessary. I will say though, the majority of permit holders with handguns are male, but I don't that should preclude it to be a testosterone driven action.

this is a very good discussion though, and I'm proud of those who have participated for not letting it be a flame fest, or turn into ridiculous name calling. We all have our views and opinions, but we also are showing we can disagree peacefully without turning the thread into havoc. :)

[TxKimberly]

Honestly I am kind of torn with this one.
On the one hand, in a perfect world we should be free and safe to enjoy ourselves in a public place when and where we please. So I think "Good for you for standing up for your freedom!"

On the other hand, you not only went to a bar where drunk and irrational behavior can be expected, but you went to a bar where you had already been harassed before, and met with predictable results. So I think "This was unwise!"

Now I gotta try and figure out which one takes priority - the "good for you" thought, or the "Damn that was a stupid thing to do!" thought. . .

[LeaP]

I think it's a stereotype to say that firearms or using a firearm in self-defense has anything to do with testosterone though, ...

Actually, I specifically said that my comment had nothing to do with one's position on self-defense.

I agreed with the testosterone comment because of the nature of some of the commentary in the thread. It is decidedly male in tone, being overtly assertive, winning focused, dominating, divisive, and even rallying.

I'm not pointing fingers. I share some of these characteristics, much to my own dismay. But, they are things I would prefer to leave behind me, having been the source of inner pain (at what I am) as well as pain inflicted on others by me. If there's one thing I hope hormones do for me, it's to moderate some of these characteristics.

[Traci Elizabeth]

After being abducted, I tried "not" to back down. I was beaten and kicked to a pulp, received a broken nose, several broken bones, many stitches, and worse violently viciously raped then beaten again until the perpetrator thought I was dead. He left me in the woods for the animals to take care of his evil deeds.

Just want to throw a dose of reality into this thread and ask the OP what good would his lawyer have been in this case? Being a bad ass can also get you killed.


All of this gun toting, "I'll show yea, I'll just pull my weapon out and viola problem solved."

And the claim that if every trans person had a gun there would be no crime against them is just pure stupidity. Criminals shoot police everyday and you think they are not going to shoot you? If fact if they knew you had a gun, they would inflict far more damage to you or death.

I teach woman how to use deadly force and I help them to get their CCW's but the number one rule I teach them is to "RUN" first.

And for the gun toting fools, if you are in a situation where a criminal is pointing a gun at you at point blank range which is most situations. If you tried to pull your weapon out of your purse or from underneath your skirt or dress, you would be dead before you even touched your gun not alone grab it and shot it. RUN RUN RUN while screaming at the top of your lungs. Distance and getting to barriers are your best friends when it come to violence with weapons. Some you you have watched too many Rambo movies.

[Lorileah]

Nothing like alcohol and testosterone. I hope I am never near some people here when they think they have to respond with a weapon. I would be the innocent bystander who was killed. Whatever happened to just walk away and find someone in authority? I agree with Bree and Kelly...seems to be that this is more a case of who can piss higher up the tree. Just remember when you fall over it comes back down on you

[Thera Home]

Sometimes I wonder whether some just do not get it. There is no drab for us. Just a life to live. And no carrying permit and taking care of business as you state and Audrey implies prevents violence against women, in fact it makes it worse.

My Dear Kathyn
Who said anythings about g*ns. With remarks from a person like that especially in front of a woman,that just chaps my hide. I will deal with him and I will take him on no matter if his big or small and I will just use my GOD given hands to handle it.

Thera

P.S. And plus all the hurtful words he's shot to all my sisters in the past.:Angry3:

[Thera Home]

Guns so often shoot the wrong person. Especially when those who are using them don't know what they are doing, or just aren't as mean and experienced as their opponent. If I had a gun in my house, I'm sure the only person who would have been endangered by it is me, which is one of a dozen reasons why I'll never have one...(see all the threads on trans suicide rates! If you want to own a weapon, BE SURE that you are not in the 50% of us who have suicidal issues once in a while.)

Elizabeth
When you have weapons you must be extra careful with them especially when you have children around. My kiddos are very familiar with g*ns and they respect them. They know not to play around with them. But they cant wait for hunting season. My 6 year old just told we're running low on sausage.:D............yum

Thera

[jackielou]

glad you have your permit that means you had to take the class and practice shoot to pass i also have my CWP

[Nigella]

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