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[STACY B]

Just kinda sorta figured something out in the last few months . So anyway when picking a person to tell what we are ,,, Or what is the matter with us ,, You can almost bank on this . Now this is my own findings ,,,Not always true but again this is just me . I am most certainly not talking about telling just any one ! If you were backed in a corner an someone got you alone an just came out an wanted to know ,,Or someone very special that you wanted to know ,,Or someone that you thought had to know only ! Here it is ,,Just a rule of thumb that I have noticed ,, If the person that you are planning to tell or educate is smart enough to understand bizzness or has bizzness sense or owns or runs a bizzness ,, I Have come to the conclusion that they are the most likely to get it . This is just me talking ,, You take another person that knows nothing about bizz they are more likely to NOT understand for the simple fact of lack of reasoning skills or not wanting to educate them selves on something that does not directly concern them . Just my thoughts ,,,What do you think ?

[Stephanie Miller]

Well I own MY own business and I understand, so.... as of right now your poll is 100% right :eg:

[STACY B]

See I am batting a 1000 !!!!!!!!!!

[morgan51]

I'm a business owner as well and I understand perfectly. I'm going to pay attention to this in the future as I am out full time and see how it pays out. LOL. you are still 100%

[Aprilrain]

You may or may not be right about business owners but the simple fact remains Transitioned transsexuals don't get to pick and choose who "knows" and who dosen't. You may get to manage the how and when certain people find out but eventually everyone is going to find out!

[sonna]

i cant argue with that. i think your right. to add on that i think alot of owners and manigers
do there own stuff they like keep hidden. (makes you wonder if it takes a certain personality
to run a buissness)...

[Pamela Kay]

I would agree but might also suggest that it isn't just business owners but those who have jobs that deal with people. A business owner has to deal with people all the time but there are other jobs that require dealing with people and the public. If you are a business owner or deal with people in your job very much then you know that people don't always do what you think they will so you aren't as suprised when it happens.

If you don't deal with people much then it's a bigger suprise when they do something that might not make sense too you.

[EnglishRose]

I'm willing to bet the owners of Chick-Fil-A won't be so understanding.

[kimdl93]

I am also a business owner and I understand, but it's a skewed survey. I would guess that the greater the degree of intelligence, regardless of education, and the broader the life experiences, the more understanding and open minded one becomes.

[STACY B]

Now it's not just a bizz owner ,,,Someone who runs or Understands Bizz ! So someone who can count ,,, Or thinks alot ,,, Puts stuff together an just has Common sense . Just something I noticed ?

[AllieSF]

I am trying to get there to your point of view. Help me out some, please. I do know that people who depend on 3rd parties to use their services or buy their products understands that a customer is a customer and a potential revenue stream if they are treated right. i.e. It does not pay (in revenue) to turn off a potential buyer. Therefore, be nice to everyone. Or, maybe it is that if they interact with the full spectrum of people in this world, they soon realize we are all a bit off centered and that the different ones are more interesting and even humans too when compared to the society labeled "normal" person (the boring ones). Maybe they like the diversity of colors in a rainbow? So what other reasons led you to this conclusion?

[sandra-leigh]

You take another person that knows nothing about bizz they are more likely to NOT understand for the simple fact of lack of reasoning skills or not wanting to educate them selves on something that does not directly concern them .

I work with science (by choice), doing complex computing work (which I had about as much choice about as Van Gogh had about painting :D ). The sciences and high-tech computing fields are chalk full of people with advanced reasoning skills who educate themselves thoroughly on topics that do not directly concern them. But not many of them are business people: dealing with money and dealing with "people problems" takes too much time away from what they love doing. These people are not necessarily going to "get it", but they are likely less likely to be concerned, and more likely to be willing to accept the notion that traditional gender divisions are an approximation that there are exceptions to.

[Jorja]

Now it's not just a bizz owner ,,,Someone who runs or Understands Bizz ! So someone who can count ,,, Or thinks alot ,,, Puts stuff together an just has Common sense . Just something I noticed ?

OMG Stacy!!! You are not allowed to use those two words together..... EVER! Common sense, ha!

[Stephanie Miller]

Allie, I think here is a point Stacy is trying to make.
I do "depend on 3rd parties to use their services" but I do not sign up to your belief that "It does not pay (in revenue) to turn off a potential buyer. Therefore, be nice to everyone." . When I first got into business I was told that same song and dance. The customer is always right. And it cost me a sh*tload. I have since found it best to turn some customers away. There is no refuting that there are people out there that want to take advantage of you, look for a way to sue you etc.
So I guess what I am interpreting Stacy as saying is (I'm sure Stacy will, in her typical soft elegant style - let me know if I'm wrong ) a higher percentage of business owners, over the common Joe, typically extrapolates the thought process out a tad further because due to their situation in life they are forced to on a daily basis.
:2c:

[sandra-leigh]

I have since found it best to turn some customers away. There is no refuting that there are people out there that want to take advantage of you, look for a way to sue you etc.

A couple of years ago when I was at a nail place getting my nails done, already part-way through, and a GG waltzed in late, was demanding, and was obviously P.O.'d that I (male looking) was being attended to when she (GG) had to wait. The owner's response was to be visibly indifferent to the GG's demands, to take her time with what she was doing, and to pay more attention to me, letting the woman stew. When I spoke to the owner about the incident the next time I was in, the owner said that she might be providing a service, but that didn't give anyone the right to treat her like a servant, and that she would rather lose those kind of customers and be free than to give in to them. (Conversely, the owner scolds me for not visiting them often enough. :o )

[Rianna Humble]

You take another person that knows nothing about bizz they are more likely to NOT understand for the simple fact of lack of reasoning skills or not wanting to educate them selves on something that does not directly concern them . Just my thoughts ,,,What do you think ?

I think that this is a very elitist intolerant attitude to people who do not own/run a business.

[abigailf]

Yes, you will probably see more tolerance or people who get it in the corporate world. But it may have less to do with business and more to do with whom a person normally interacts with. Someone that works more independently is less likely to get it or be tolerant than those exposed to the world around them.

Business owners and people working the corporate ladder are very good examples as they deal with various types of people like customers and global coworkers. People in Sales is another good example. I am sure hotel workers have seen a few strange things in their day - stranger then someone that is trans. People who have been in a university my have developed some tolerance to diversity. College is usually a pretty good diversity de-sensitivity program.

People who isolate themselves, don't get out often or just work in fields where they don't deal with many people (third shift workers, night watchmen or cleaning crews perhaps) may not get it and be less tolerant.

[sandra-leigh]

People who have been in a university my have developed some tolerance to diversity. College is usually a pretty good diversity de-sensitivity program.

Possibly it is these days, but to be honest when I was going to University in Ontario in the early 1980's, it was not much different than being a larger scale version of the population of my high-school. And I don't say that to imply that my high-school was anything special: our neighborhood was most white middle class, with a small minority representation, and that's what that university was much like then as well. The university did have a higher proportion of women with firm interests in math and science and engineering than my highschool did, but otherwise it was more of the same, except for being more people like us (rather than being more people different than us.) I don't recall meeting any LGBT people during the time I was there -- not saying there weren't any, but they were very low key. But that was 30 years ago.

The diversity challenges I faced there were (A) getting rejected by large numbers of people because I did not drink to excess or do drugs; and (B) trying to wrap my head around the idea that one of my roommates actually wanted to be an accountant (I'm still not really convinced...)


People who isolate themselves, don't get out often or just work in fields where they don't deal with many people (third shift workers, night watchmen or cleaning crews perhaps) may not get it and be less tolerant.

The science and computing people I mentioned earlier can easily fall into modes of not dealing with many people; as I indicated earlier they might not get it but tended not to care either. And you could distract most of them by either asking about their work, or asking about their parking privileges.