Back in that ladies locker room-----

[docrobbysherry]

Mods. Please delete thread. No one's interested in it!

[ReineD]

Sherry, if she has a profile looking for lots of sex with lots of women, giving the impression that she lives for sex, how can she forget that she has a penis?

... unless she can detach it sometimes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4


Disclaimer: this is intended as humor to lighten things up a little. I am not comparing Colleen to King Missile. :)

[Aprilrain]

I do not get the impression Colleen was swinging the dangler around. she just doesn't pass well ( look at her photo!) she got clocked by her secondary sex characteristics not her primary one!

Doc, I take it you have never been in a womens locker room before. it's not like the men's at all! woman don't go cruising around buck naked like men do if we take our clothes off at all, and I usually don't as I just go dressed ready to work out and then shower at home, its just down to our underwear and The shower stalls are all individual. There would never be a need for a pre op, like myself, to be naked in public in the women's locker room.

To answer your question I would be mortified if my junk were visible in any public situation.

[noeleena]

Hi,

Just a different thought here, intersexed, brings with it a different set of oh heck what do we do . or how are we seen,

we. some of us have a womb yet some male detail going on there as well & can be seen, for some our male features are quite male . it does not make it easy even if we are legaly female,

my friend is intersex & has her womb yet looks more male than i, she is a frog swimmer, does deep sea diveing & is very good, yet was hammered because of her breasts, the guys were very anti any one that was different so would not get undressed or dressed while men were around, so was very hard on her.yet she has taught men & women how to dive, she has a high rateing as well.

For my self not a issue as far as changeing im to look at a normal woman. my fail point is my face as in my pic,cant help it thats the way it is, so we may be different yet we have our own issues to contend with, naked in front of other women no issues, just not in front of men. except my post of being in Thailand, different situitsion .
& really im quite a private person & do get embarrised, of my body.

...noeleena...

[ReineD]

April, she was naked in a sauna. I don't know if she wore a towel covering her torso & privates, or just around her waist, or none at all. I'm thinking she wasn't wearing a towel at all. I don't.

Noeleena, nowhere in her profile, where she discloses many private things, does she say she is visibly intersex. In fact, she does say she has a penis and she is taking low dose hormones. If she is intersex, this would be internal and not visible to the women in the sauna, which is the issue. They don't know her, they just see someone with a penis.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

amazing how much we talk about a locker room...

some things are worth fighting for, others are not.

Walking around naked in a room full of women is not something worth fighting for.

and to me this underscores the incredible lack of common sense exhibited by people that view colleen's right to do what she did as representative of transsexuals rights..
the idea that this locker room "battle" exists loses the war..

i get it...sucks for colleen... its on her...

[ReineD]

I wonder if it has to do with her legal status. In her profile, Colleen says she is legally female. So maybe the College has no choice but to uphold her right to be there?

Is it possible to change the gender markers without SRS? Does it vary state to state?

[Aprilrain]

Is it possible to change the gender markers without SRS? Does it vary state to state?

Yes it is posible and yes it is a state issue. Here in Ohio all it took was a letter from my therapist.

[CharleneT]

I have not read the story, sorry....

But, to answer a couple of your questions:

"
Before surgery, did u FEEL confident and female enuff to go naked in front of others? I mean, irregardless of your anatomy? Did u ever feel so completely female that u momentarily forgot you had a penis?
Then, post op, suddenly u could pass as female naked. Nothing would stop u from going naked in the locker room except you. So, would u immediately? Do u now?

I wonder, does surgery suddenly make u feel so completely confident as a female? Or, does it take awhile to adjust to your new anatomy? Does EVERYONE that has had SRS finally feel that confidence? It must take longer for some?

Q: before SRS, confident enough to be naked and try for acceptance as a female. A: yes, I modeled for art classes and drawing groups thru out my transition ( as I had prior for many years). There are decent drawings of me too ! More importantly, the local papers asked to talk to models about the biz of taking off your clothes so students could draw you. The Art Dept here at U of Iowa chose me to speak for the female models - for two printed articles and one online TV interview. Yuppers, pre-op TS as their example of a female model. I never forgot I had a penis, I just worked with that limitation and (pun intended) rose above it (ahem, the limitation that is).

Q: locker rooms before and after SRS. A: never had a problem before or after, I pass fairly well - not perfect but well enough. Now I do not think about it at all, I change everyday in a women's locker room with all the nurses and doctors in pediatrics ... there is not anything to think about.

Q: the other bits .... A: not everyone feels comfortable in their skin, even after SRS. Heck, most people do not feel all that comfortable naked. Does SRS help in this ? Not at all. After SRS do you feel differently about physical issues ? Yes, I think most do. Does it take a while to feel this new comfort ? Of course it does.

[Stephenie S]

Well I read the newspaper story and I read the police report.

Yes, she was in the sauna. Yes, she was exposing herself. Yes, she was sitting with her legs spread wide exposing her male genitalia (pretty unladylike to begin with). Yes, there were young girls in the sauna also. It was the mother of one of the young girls who made the initial complaint.

Had I been there I would have made a complaint also, and I consider myself to be trans-friendly. If what was reported in the complaint and police report are actually true, this pre-op woman behaved with extreme disrespect for all others in that sauna. Spreading your legs wide to display your male genitalia to others including young children is behavior that does NOT belong in a locker room of any gender.

Do guys act like this in a locker room? I don't know. But this behavior does not go on in any women's locker room I have ever been in.

Stephie

[kellycan27]

Doc.. Most pre-op girls that I know would be appalled at seeing themselves naked much less at having other people see them. That being said.... I have to agree with Kaitlyn. We need to pick our battles, and stop trying to make every little thing about discrimination or how the actions of one person are going to set us back 20 years. As for the accused..she's an idiot ( if what was said about her was true) as for us... This is thread number 3 and we're probably giving this more attention than the GP has.
People do stupid things so for those who want to make this about the "rights" for the transgendered... Are you really going to defend an action (exposing yourself to children) that was truly inappropriate.. for the cause?
Like Stephine.... I would have reported her myself in a New York minute! Take the fact that she is trans out of the equation and ask yourselves what you would think of ANYONE who would willfully expose themselves to kids.

[cyndigurl45]

With my medical condition I should have been intersexed. However, back in the 60's a male child was the preferred first born, especially to a military family, so with my ambiguous genitals I was raised male and experienced the male locker room all the way up until I grew breast, the 11th grade, showering with other males was very embarrassing but there's no where to hid so the looks and the laughs were normal. I am now post orchi and standing naked in front of a mirror I look very feminine all the way down to my privates so now in the gym I kinda wish the ladies locker didn't have private showers so I could show off some, but that's not the case a big fluffy towel wrapped around my torso and I fit right in ;-) I have to say I am alot more comfortable dropping the towel while I lotion up before getting dressed and yes on occasion I have to stop and look to make sure LOL

[Marleena]

Doc.. Most pre-op girls that I know would be appalled at seeing themselves naked much less at having other people see them. That being said.... I have to agree with Kaitlyn. We need to pick our battles, and stop trying to make every little thing about discrimination or how the actions of one person are going to set us back 20 years. As for the accused..she's an idiot ( if what was said about her was true) as for us... This is thread number 3 and we're probably giving this more attention than the GP has.
People do stupid things so for those who want to make this about the "rights" for the transgendered... Are you really going to defend an action (exposing yourself to children) that was truly inappropriate.. for the cause?
Like Stephine.... I would have reported her myself in a New York minute! Take the fact that she is trans out of the equation and ask yourselves what you would think of ANYONE who would willfully expose themselves to kids.

Yes, I'm appalled and agree with your post.

[docrobbysherry]

Thanks, Charlene and Cyndi, for directing your posts to my OP.

It gives me an idea of how it felt before and after SRS.

[kellycan27]

With my medical condition I should have been intersexed. However, back in the 60's a male child was the preferred first born, especially to a military family, so with my ambiguous genitals I was raised male and experienced the male locker room all the way up until I grew breast, the 11th grade, showering with other males was very embarrassing but there's no where to hid so the looks and the laughs were normal. I am now post orchi and standing naked in front of a mirror I look very feminine all the way down to my privates so now in the gym I kinda wish the ladies locker didn't have private showers so I could show off some, but that's not the case a big fluffy towel wrapped around my torso and I fit right in ;-) I have to say I am alot more comfortable dropping the towel while I lotion up before getting dressed and yes on occasion I have to stop and look to make sure LOL

You should post a clearer avatar so that when you make the front page I can say.. Hey ! I know her! :heehee:

[KellyJameson]

I would find any adult who sits with their legs spread in front of others they do not know but particularly children to be acting oddly.

Colleen disrespected "Colleen" as much as others by not valuing the privacy of established personal boundaries.

The absence of personal boundaries is an indication of a wounded soul who does not know their own worth as a human being and in this state they are dangerous.

The act smelled of a infantile need to rebel against authority in a futile attempt to heal wounds not created by the six to eighteen year old children who were enlisted in this need without their consent.

Sacrificing children under the banner of teaching them is a transparent act of hate against those you proclaim to want to free.

The arrogance of the act is a testament to the self serving selfishness that comes from a preoccupation with ones own pain and pain makes people insensitive to causing others pain in all its myriad forms.

Children by the very fact of their powerlessness need to be protected from ALL adults.

Adults in pain have the power to hurt others by the protections of the society that adults have created whether it is to buy a gun and kill someone or use the laws established to fight discrimination to discriminate against others.

I support gun laws and discrimination laws but not people who abuse those laws by using the laws and benefits solely for themselves and against others.

Privacy is a necessary ingredient to mental health and the demand for it by the boundaries we establish supports this mental health and in its absence the likelihood of mental illness will be found.

[Tara D. Rose]

I would find any adult who sits with their legs spread in front of others they do not know but particularly children to be acting oddly.

Colleen disrespected "Colleen" as much as others by not valuing the privacy of established personal boundaries.

The absence of personal boundaries is an indication of a wounded soul who does not know their own worth as a human being and in this state they are dangerous.

The act smelled of a infantile need to rebel against authority in a futile attempt to heal wounds not created by the six to eighteen year old children who were enlisted in this need without their consent.

Sacrificing children under the banner of teaching them is a transparent act of hate against those you proclaim to want to free.

The arrogance of the act is a testament to the self serving selfishness that comes from a preoccupation with ones own pain and pain makes people insensitive to causing others pain in all its myriad forms.

Children by the very fact of their powerlessness need to be protected from ALL adults.

Adults in pain have the power to hurt others by the protections of the society that adults have created whether it is to buy a gun and kill someone or use the laws established to fight discrimination to discriminate against others.

I support gun laws and discrimination laws but not people who abuse those laws by using the laws and benefits solely for themselves and against others.

Privacy is a necessary ingredient to mental health and the demand for it by the boundaries we establish supports this mental health and in its absence the likelihood of mental illness will be found.


Doc.. Most pre-op girls that I know would be appalled at seeing themselves naked much less at having other people see them. That being said.... I have to agree with Kaitlyn. We need to pick our battles, and stop trying to make every little thing about discrimination or how the actions of one person are going to set us back 20 years. As for the accused..she's an idiot ( if what was said about her was true) as for us... This is thread number 3 and we're probably giving this more attention than the GP has.
People do stupid things so for those who want to make this about the "rights" for the transgendered... Are you really going to defend an action (exposing yourself to children) that was truly inappropriate.. for the cause?
Like Stephine.... I would have reported her myself in a New York minute! Take the fact that she is trans out of the equation and ask yourselves what you would think of ANYONE who would willfully expose themselves to kids.
This is so true Kelly, I agree with you on all points you made. This Coleen person was out of line. Whether she has the legal right to be in the sauna like that or not, she was definitely wrong to be sitting in such a manner, it was sort of like she was getting jollies being an exibitionist, but using her "right" to be there. I don't think any GG's would have been sitting in such a exploitive manner especially in front of very young girls. She should have been reported as she was. Actually no one in a gym locker room atmosphere should sit with their legs open like that regardless if it was a GG in the women's locker room or a man in the men's locker room.