The waisting of lingerie, especially by GGs

[vanphair]

I am one of those people who struggles with his love of lingerie. I want to wear it all the time, and have it be most feminine, softest items possible. Nothing makes me happier than when I slip on a buttery smooth pair of satin panties in beautiful colors and delicate lace details. I would do anything to wear bras, garter belts, slips, camis, and everything else every day. I'm sad when I take off my clothes and don't see beautiful lingerie underneath, and even sadder when I open my underwear drawer and closet and see mens underwear. Yet I cannot bring myself to wear lingerie full time because of shame, fear, and worry about societal scorn.

So I am biased, but what I really don't get is the "wasting of lingerie". By that, I mean wearing boring/blah women's underwear. Like nude bras or white panties. Things in icky cotton or microfiber designed to be hidden like they are something to be ashamed of. Sure, I get the whole idea of practical underwear at times for women, but I don't understand for the life of me why women don't celebrate and embrace the fact that they can wear beautiful lingerie any time they want. So many women wear flesh-toned bras and nude panties, and that just makes me sad. If I could wear beautiful lingerie every day, I sure as heck would. I wonder if women realize how lucky they are to have that choice?

Again, I realize there are days when practical underwear is necessary, but it seems like lingerie (and I think there is a clear line between women's underwear and lingerie) is the exception to the rule in terms of a lady's wardrobe.

Anyone else feel the same way? And for the GGs out there ... why wouldn't you wear pretty lingerie whenever you had the chance?

[Stephanie47]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I love wearing colorful undergarments and go out of my way to coordinate my bra and panty with my slip. The outerwear dictates my undergarment selection. Sometimes, like to day, everything is black; the bra and panty, the slip. the thigh high stockings, the heels, the dress and the bib apron is black with a pink floral pattern. Other times I feel like a little tease. This knee length long sleeves black dress can be worn over a pink slip and pink bra and panty set. A little hint of daring. Or a lacy white slip and panty. Personally, I love it when I see a woman crossing her legs and there is a hint of lace underneath.

I've tried to get my wife to wear such enticing ensembles. Yes, years ago when she was young a little wild. Now, its boring beige bras that are stamped out on a mold. Boring cotton white panties. A night? Why a flannel nightgown. I know she remembers the old days because in the back of the closet on the very back clothes rack are the floor length nightgown purchased long ago at Gimbel's and Macy's Herald Square and Bloomingdale's. Of course, Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof gets my lions afire!

[JUSTME]

We must be related and separated at birth.

[Emma Leigh]

Some of them must buy beautiful lingerie or the stores wouldnt sell it................or is it us???? :heehee:

[*ROXY*]

I suppose that GGs should also wear sky high heels and satin dresses all day too ?
Lets be realistic do you always put a suit on to pop to the shops ? would you don a cravat to collect your mail ?
Practical, comfortable, invisible are all important as well as pretty. So she's wearing a sheer dress. Would bright pink basque and white stockings be a good ensemble ... No. we dress for the love of it, to women most days underwear is just something to put on. On special occasions, or dressy affairs the best stuff may come out but it's supposed to add to the look not detract from it, hence no VPL, nude, white or black.

[girltoy]

Hehe, I worked one (ONE!!) agonizing night with lace trim rubbing as I sweated and labored on a VERY busy wing of the hospital. Raw and red by the time I got home. Plain cotton at work since then.

[ReineD]

I suppose that GGs should also wear sky high heels and satin dresses all day too ?
Lets be realistic do you always put a suit on to pop to the shops ? would you don a cravat to collect your mail ?
Practical, comfortable, invisible are all important as well as pretty. So she's wearing a sheer dress. Would bright pink basque and white stockings be a good ensemble ... No. we dress for the love of it, to women most days underwear is just something to put on. On special occasions, or dressy affairs the best stuff may come out but it's supposed to add to the look not detract from it, hence no VPL, nude, white or black.

:yt: Vanessa, you're hired! :)


One other thing. This may not apply to ALL GGs, but I know that it applies to a great many. Most of us are raised knowing that our bodies don't look like the media ideal that is thrown at us from every angle throughout our lives. Men aren't raised this way. A woman is less likely to get into seductive clothing when she feels that her breasts are too small, too big, not perky enough, her stomach is too big, she has too much cellulite, too many love handles, she is not tall enough, too tall, not curvy enough, too curvy, etc. She knows that she does not look like the woman who wears them in all the ads. But, CDers have the uncanny ability to believe that wearing the clothing transforms their bodies to approximate the woman who is wearing these items. And, maybe putting on forms, hips pads, and waist cinchers does transform their male proportions enough to help them believe this, or maybe men are less discriminating about details than are women.

[Roberta Marie]

I cannot remember the last time that I wore men's underwear. But, the panties that I normally wear are cotton, usually white or beige, sometimes light blue or pink. When I'm at work, and I do a lot of physical labor, I tend to be practical in what I wear, and I usually dress for comfort, although I do refuse to do grannie panties. I think that if you were to wear them all day everyday, you would probably find yourself choosing comfort over pretty. I do save the pretty ones for special occasions.

As for not wearing them because "of shame, fear, and worry about societal scorn", who's going to know? Nobody should be able to see what underwear you have on.

[Julie Denier]

Maybe I'm the oddball, but other than hosiery -- and a waist-nipper that I desperately need -- I don't get all goo-goo for lingerie. I love dresses and heels, and the overall head-to-toe look, but I'm pretty basic when it comes to the rest :eek:

[Angela Campbell]

:yt: Vanessa, you're hired! :)


One other thing. This may not apply to ALL GGs, but I know that it applies to a great many. Most of us are raised knowing that our bodies don't look like the media ideal that is thrown at us from every angle throughout our lives. Men aren't raised this way. A woman is less likely to get into seductive clothing when she feels that her breasts are too small, too big, not perky enough, her stomach is too big, she has too much cellulite, too many love handles, she is not tall enough, too tall, not curvy enough, too curvy, etc. She knows that she does not look like the woman who wears them in all the ads. But, CDers have the uncanny ability to believe that wearing the clothing transforms their bodies to approximate the woman who is wearing these items. And, maybe putting on forms, hips pads, and waist cinchers does transform their male proportions enough to help them believe this, or maybe men are less discriminating about details than are women.

It is funny many GG's feel that way when most men think EVERY woman has the perfect height, perfect body, perfect size breasts perfect amount of love handles and yes we even love the cellulite. Many men think a woman is beautiful no matter those things. No matter what your perceived flaws we know you women are flawless!

come to think about it ...this is much like a CD's fear of going out...all in the mind.

[Tiffany Grace]

Interesting question you raise. I dress when I like and have noticed how I too can take lovely lingerie for granted. GG's don't have a siege mentality like some of us. Speaking for myself, before I started dressing daily I remember waiting for opportunities to open up for dressing. They are free to wear what they like, when they like, and maybe that contributes to their choice for comfort and ease when dressing, I am sure they have other reasons as well. I think back to old WWII films where woman were desperate for nylons because they were in such short supply, nylon was being used for parachutes. It is easy to take for granted things that are easily and readily available.

Thanks for letting me share my two cents.

[Tiffany Grace]

Hi Emma, I bet a great deal of it is us. LOL

[Nicole Erin]

When you have the liberty to do something anytime you want, the novelty wears off.
Well kind of like when you turned 21 and could throw out the fake ID and go to clubs or bars whenever. Suddenly it wasn't such a thrill anymore.

What turns me on is wearing my olive green army-issue edition briefs. I just love the thick rough cotton and the sexy fly.
I like when I am at work wearing women's slacks, hose, heels, blouse and no one has any idea I am wearing dark green army briefs under it all.

[ReineD]

It is funny many GG's feel that way when most men think EVERY woman has the perfect height, perfect body, perfect size breasts perfect amount of love handles and yes we even love the cellulite. Many men think a woman is beautiful no matter those things. No matter what your perceived flaws we know you women are flawless!

come to think about it ...this is much like a CD's fear of going out...all in the mind.

I agree! Women need to be proud of their bodies no matter the shape, and many women are reaching this point with a bigger push by some media outlets for more reasonably proportioned models. Kudos to the UK for articles like this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2223772/Get-real-M-S-Ordinary-women-try-stores-frocks-promise-youll-drop-dress-size-.html

Contrast this to the models who appear in Vogue Magazine, for example. This is a slide show about Spring fashion. I know very few women who are proportioned like this, and these are clothes that cover most of the body. Have a look at the models on the Victoria Secret website, and you'll see why many women who put on the lingerie feel that it doesn't look as good on them:
http://www.vogue.com/collections/spring-2013-rtw/calvin-klein-collection/review/#/collection/runway/spring-2013-rtw/calvin-klein-collection/1

The fact remains there are still far too many girls who are anorexic or bulimic and I do blame this on the false ideal of female beauty that is very much pushed on us, beginning at age 5 when we get our first, unrealistically proportioned Barbie doll with her exaggerated figure:

http://www.care2.com/causes/life-size-barbie.html

It's difficult for many women to shed a lifetime of indoctrination about what feminine beauty should be, just as difficult, I imagine, as it is for a man to shed the idea that he shouldn't put on women's clothing or that he shouldn't be brave and stoic all the time. Kudos to the wives who are compassionate when their husbands cry, and to the husbands who understand that their wives might have a body image issue, and who do what they can to make their wives feel appreciated and beautiful. :)

[vanphair]

I still don't get it. I can understand being practical for work situations and other events, but that mentality seems to take over nearly 24/7. And besides, a woman can wear a pretty bra and still not have it be showy or work inappropriate. Same with panties ... a little pink or lace on the legs isn't going to ruin an outfit. And lord knows so many women wear Hanky Panky thongs, why not get one in a cute pink or print instead of white or nude? My point is that they are so lucky to be able to wear lingerie it shouldn't just be "something to put on." For all the talk we hear about empowering themselves through clothing and other means, why not start at the core? It is such a simple thing. I know when I put on pretty lingerie, I just feel different. It is an emotional connection to feeling feminine and sexy and comfortable. They should be so happy to open up the panty drawer and find pretty prints and designs to put on. So you need a comfortable panty to wear for a long day at work? I get that. But it doesn't have to be nude or white ... it can be a nice feminine shade with a cute bow hidden away. Heck even Olga panties with their comfy lace waistband and delicate bow should do! All I know is that if I see a woman wearing something even approaching pretty lingerie, I think to myself "There is someone who cares about themselves." I have been brave enough by the way a few times to wear pretty satin lingerie all day. Yes it got hot, but it was a pure joy and I don't see myself ever getting tired of it.

[Tara D. Rose]

Well if any GG's are tired of their lingerie and do not ever want to wear them, they can send them all to me and I will wear them.

[ReineD]

Vanphair, if you're only referring to buying regular panties with a bit of lace vs. no lace, then this all depends on the style and cut of the panties that a woman is after for comfort and wearability. If it has lace, she'll buy it. If it doesn't have lace, she'll still buy it.

I buy (or I try to buy) mostly panties that match the colors of my bras. I don't buy red, green, or purple bras because they clash with most of the outfits that I wear. I don't like having the random stranger on the street guess what's under my street clothes. White, black, and beige are standard for me (as they are in most department store lingerie sections) and so when I buy bra and panties at the same time, I try to get them to match. Also, I don't have the financial resources to get bras in all colors that match all my clothes, at $50 per bra. I'd rather spend my rather limited budget on clothes that most people see. :)

I honestly think that many CDers have closets that exceed the average GG's in size, at least according to reports I've read on this site. So if a CDer has dozens and dozens (or more) of bras, panties, etc, it is the CDer who places undue importance on this more than the GG who dresses for comfort and practical reasons ... unless she's young and looking to impress her new boyfriend or the boyfriend that she is in the market for. :p

So really, just as you say, "Why don't more GGs wear the lingerie that I like", most GGs will say, "Why on earth do CDers place so much importance on lingerie?" :)

Venus and Mars. :D

[Candice Mae]

A nude colored bra and panties are very important pieces of any wardrobe, you ever wear a black bra with a white shirt? Unless its a thick sweater the black bra will show through. This is true for a lot of color/patterned bra's.

[Tara D. Rose]

So really, just as you say, "Why don't more GGs wear the lingerie that I like", most GGs will say, "Why on earth do CDers place so much importance on lingerie?" :)

Venus and Mars. :D

But ReineD, I feel that most all men love to see GG's in lingerie, regardless if they are cd or not. I think every straight man loves to see women in lingerie as well as hetero cd's. So IMHO, the question of why do cders place so much importance on lingerie? ,,,,this question shouldn't be just a cd thing only. MEN love GG's in lingerie.

[Jenniferathome]

[QUOTE=vanphair;3011908]By that, I mean wearing boring/blah women's underwear. Like nude bras or white panties. /QUOTE]

You don't understand because you are a crossdresser, not a woman. For a woman, lingerie has an entirely different meaning

[ReineD]

By that, I mean wearing boring/blah women's underwear. Like nude bras or white panties.

You don't understand because you are a crossdresser, not a woman. For a woman, lingerie has an entirely different meaning

Jennifer word count = 17
Reine word count over several posts = hundreds.

I need to learn a lesson here. :p

[STACY B]

You just don't get it ,,If all woman wore that killer under wear they wouldn't have enough money left for nothing else ,, Go buy you some ,,Yull see ,, They gotta be practical ,, Hell my wife would love nothing more than to have all matching bra;s an Panties ,,Hell me too ,,But you gotta save some for other thing to ,, You need to go shopping an buy the rest of the wardrobe an come back an tell us all about your high priced undies ? LOL,,,,,:D ,,,Hell the makeup alone will kill ya !!

[Jenniferathome]

Jennifer word count = 17
Reine word count over several posts = hundreds.

I need to learn a lesson here. :p

I'm very Zen. Less is more. Of course, I am a guy;-)

[Roberta Marie]

I don't understand why some people don't like brussel sprouts. They are the best vegi ever, and they are full of good stuff for you. How can some people that have the opportunity to eat brussel sprouts every day not eat them every day. I live for the times that I get to eat brussel sprouts, and I wish that I could eat them at every meal.

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

I used to be in the "why wear anything but fun, flirty, satiny, lacey (insert adjective here)" brigade when it came to skivvies but honestly in the last three or four years or so, while I'm still wearing exclusively Victoria's Secret undies, I've been more likely to wear their cotton breifs than anything else. They're comfy, they usually have some fun colors and they're often on sale at a great price. I also find that many of their other cuts and styles right now are entirely impractical for the male anatomy (shocker!) and it's just too expensive a place to experiment with. I tend to just buy the cottons now when I need to stock up, and then wait for the Semi-Annual Sale to try something different.

I'm still bummed they discontinued the Naked collection. Hands down my favorite, most comfortable panties ever.

[Stephanie47]

I see a lot of excuses here for women not wearing sexy enticing lingerie. My wife is a very sensual woman. When she gets bored out of her skull shopping for lingerie, then it is hopeless. I personally believe too many women have not acquired the art of being alluring. Part of the romance is unwrapping the packaging. I do not buy into the notion plus size women are afraid to show their bodies. Once upon a time lingerie was used to obscure their perceived imperfections.

It seems the early 1980's started the demise of sexy lingerie and day wear. Check eBay and other vintage lingerie resellers. There is an abundance of larger sizes, up to 46, in day wear. Sometimes in order to keep romance alive there has to be a little creativity and mystique.

Yeah, wear those cotton comfortable panties to your nursing job. But, darn, do get some sexy lingerie and day wear.

[ReineD]

LOL Snow White, that's funny.

I had a similar experience at Dillards. She brought a bra that is 2 cup sizes bigger than I've worn since I was 18, with a band 2 inches smaller than my usual band and it dug into my skin. I think she thought I was after cleavage or something. lol.

I actually did end up getting the bra (it's very pretty), but in my regular cup size and band size, with TWO pairs of the matching panties.

... all in beige. It only came in beige or black, and I already have 2 black bras, one which is fairly new. :)

http://www.wacoal-america.com/shop/bras/new-arrivals/spot-on-underwire-t-shirt-bra_853185.html?index=26&searchCategoryId=10060&totalResults=54&showAllProducts=true&displayMarkdownsOnly=false

And to answer Tara, yes men appreciate seeing their women in lingerie. I doubt that non-CDers would think about it in the same way as some of the CDers do, to the point where they shake their heads in dismay wondering why women aren't wearing the lingerie all the time. :p

[Lorileah]

It is sort of like shaving above the knee. If someone is going to see it, then go with cute and sexy. If not, just get something that does not try and crawl up my butt.

My cute and sexy are for playtime and are bought with the idea they may be destroyed during said playtime. Everything else suits a purpose, pull it in, push it out out keep it tight.

[DebbieL]

[SNIP]
So I am biased, but what I really don't get is the "wasting of lingerie". By that, I mean wearing boring/blah women's underwear. Like nude bras or white panties. Things in icky cotton or microfiber designed to be hidden like they are something to be ashamed of. Sure, I get the whole idea of practical underwear at times for women, but I don't understand for the life of me why women don't celebrate and embrace the fact that they can wear beautiful lingerie any time they want. So many women wear flesh-toned bras and nude panties, and that just makes me sad. If I could wear beautiful lingerie every day, I sure as heck would. I wonder if women realize how lucky they are to have that choice?[QUOTE]

I've had three women who had serious problems with yeast infections when they wore anything other than cotton underwear, 2 of them had systemic candida albicans, yeast in the blood stream. One was so severe that if I used brown sugar in a spaghetti sauce, she would be almost drunk 30 minutes later. Even a small amount of sugar would be converted to alcohol - IN THE BLOODSTREAM.

Men get an itch in the crotch, they can just scratch or pinch. Women who get severe yeast infections itch even more severely, but there is nothing they can scratch. The only relief is to wear cotton panties that breathe so they can restore a healthy flora. Many of these women got too many antibiotics when they were younger.

Many women save the silky satiny lingerie for special occasions, situations where they want to feel sexy, powerful, and/or romantic. Wearing the "fun stuff" every day, would take away the thrill and just make it ordinary.

[QUOTE]Again, I realize there are days when practical underwear is necessary, but it seems like lingerie (and I think there is a clear line between women's underwear and lingerie) is the exception to the rule in terms of a lady's wardrobe.
Anyone else feel the same way? And for the GGs out there ... why wouldn't you wear pretty lingerie whenever you had the chance?

I do, but even then there are times and situations where I want more support and wear the spandex, and other times when I'm sore down there and want something loose - my wife calls them "Granny Panties" that are loose tricot. Most of the time, I'm not even aware of which underwear I'm wearing. It's when I'm going to the bathroom, getting ready for bed, or lounging that I notice and am aware.

There are even times when I wear the cotton panties. Especially when I'm wearing a spandex camisole - the cotton panties keep the cami from slipping.

If you really want to wear sexy feminine undies all the time, you should do it. You're not hurting anyone, and you aren't putting anyone at risk. If you have to undress in front of a bunch of men, then wear your jockeys or boxers, but if you have privacy in the bathroom and don't need to go to the locker room, then enjoy what you like. Just do it!

[Eryn]

The fact remains there are still far too many girls who are anorexic or bulimic and I do blame this on the false ideal of female beauty that is very much pushed on us, beginning at age 5 when we get our first, unrealistically proportioned Barbie doll with her exaggerated figure

Poor Barbie takes way too much of the rap for this. She's a doll, forgoshsakes, and she's no more responsible for bulimia than GI Joe is responsible for the random acts of violence occasionally perpetrated by men who played with the dolls as children. I wonder what strange behavior we can blame on Spongebob Squarepants? :)


A nude colored bra and panties are very important pieces of any wardrobe, you ever wear a black bra with a white shirt? Unless its a thick sweater the black bra will show through. This is true for a lot of color/patterned bra's.

Yes. a beige bra is a must have item, though my colorful animal print model is more fun with opaque tops. One thing I'll never understand is why women's tops, even blouses made to wear alone, so often border on sheer.


LOL Snow White, that's funny.

I had a similar experience at Dillards. She brought a bra that is 2 cup sizes bigger than I've worn since I was 18, with a band 2 inches smaller than my usual band and it dug into my skin. I think she thought I was after cleavage or something. lol.

LOL! One thing that even a CDer knows is that there are only two pertinent measurements, how far around you are, and the volume of the items to be contained. Once you have those two things determined you're done. It's not rocket science (and I know rocket science!)

[ReineD]

Eryn, I don't have daughters, but have many friends who do. They didn't like Barbie dolls any more than I did. Not the collector dolls in period costumes, but the Toys 'R Us Barbies clad in the bimbo clothing popular during the 1980s. I got turned off when shopping for a little girl's birthday party once and could not find one Barbie doll who wasn't dressed like a hooker. I ended up getting this little girl a science kit. :D

You should read the link I posted about Barbies and follow the links in that article to a former anorexic who constructed a life-sized Barbie doll in high school to show the world how impossibly disproportionate her body is (likely designed by men) and the negative subliminal messages it sent. Never mind, here's the link:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42595605/ns/today-today_people/#.UJjAoqUpvgM

The idea that our daughters are receiving wrong messages about what they should look like through Barbie is not new, and I totally agree that she is a bad influence .. but not by herself, she's just the intro. The rest comes from the bombardment of media ads/fashion magazines, etc, featuring women who have bodies that only a small percentage of women have.

In fact, Mattel did increase Barbie's waist size in 1997, but it still is disproportionate.

[Eryn]

...how impossibly disproportionate her body is (likely designed by men)...

To set the record straight, Barbie was designed by Ruth Handler who named the doll after her daughter. She had to fight to get the doll produced, since it wasn't a cherubic baby doll like those sold at that time and the prudish Mattel executives (all male) didn't care for it.

Mrs. Handler later designed the "Nearly Me" breast form and ran the company that produced it for 15 years.

[ReineD]

To set the record straight, Barbie was designed by Ruth Handler who named the doll after her daughter. She had to fight to get the doll produced, since it wasn't a cherubic baby doll like those sold at that time and the prudish Mattel executives (all male) didn't care for it.

Mrs. Handler later designed the "Nearly Me" breast form and ran the company that produced it for 15 years.

Yes. Ruth Handler's husband was co-founder of Mattel. Ruth based the design of the Barbie doll on a german doll called Bild Lilli (http://www.marcdolls.ch/englilli.html), designed by a man, Reinhard Beuthin, who modeled Lili after his own illustration of a buxom young cartoon character he conceived to lift the spirits of post-war Germany. The link includes Heinhard's illustrations (scroll down) and the Lili doll. Ruth bought three Lili dolls while on a trip to Germany and worked with another man, Mattel engineer Jack Ryan, to produce the first Barbie who had similar proportions to Lili. Shortly after Barbie was launched, Mattel bought the rights to Bild Lili and stopped its production.

[Brenda79135]

When my wife and I first got married, she wore the lacy under garments and frilly clothes. Thiswas just fine with me. We moved to Alabama and she had her first yeast infection. Cotton was the order of the day then. I was more comfortable and helped with the yeast infections. But she still got the pretty prints of panties. Fast forward 20 years and my wife is getting yeast infections every month. Diflucan does not work anymore or only works for about a week. She in miserable. We started doing research on yeast infections. Turns out that most women got their yeast infections from the men in their lives. Men will get a blood infection and pass that on. We finally got the situation taken care of. We found a product call Fungal Defence from Garden of Life. We both took it to clear up any yeast infections. My wife has not had a yeast infection for 6 years now. If there is any hint of discomfort we both take this stuff and systoms go away. She is back to wearing the satin/lacy stuff again and life is good.

[Kate Simmons]

I only have one thing to say regarding this issue Hon. "To each their own". How they address it and dress themselves is totally up to them.:battingeyelashes::)

[girltoy]

I have to admit, I snoozed a lot during lectures in school, but I remember some stuff, like breathable underwear, avoid baths, wipe front to back, don't use douches all being preventative measures, not cures. Fungal infections thrive on warmth, darkness, and moisture. Antifungals and/or sulfa based medications (provided no allergies to sulfa-based meds) being required to cure. Cranberry juice is a home remedy, but not guaranteed (or cranberry tablets).

Yes, there's a time and place for sexy and alluring, and there's a time and place for comfortable and practical. It's like buying a car. Yes, you love your Porsche to death ... but why are you always calling me to bring my truck whenever you need to move anything larger than a suitcase?!? :D

[Jocelyn Quivers]

Poor Barbie takes way too much of the rap for this. She's a doll, forgoshsakes, and she's no more responsible for bulimia than GI Joe is responsible for the random acts of violence occasionally perpetrated by men who played with the dolls as children. I wonder what strange behavior we can blame on Spongebob Squarepants? :)


GI Joe causing violence in men no. However body issues at times yes, the amount of time I spent stunting my growth lifting weights during my pre-teen years just so I could have a body and washboard abs like Duke and Flint. This often conflicted along with my fem desires to look like Scarlet, Lady Jay, and Baroness which caused quite a bit of issues in my childhood.:o

[linda allen]

...............to women most days underwear is just something to put on.

Yep, just as we put on our whitey tighties (or used to as the case may be). :heehee:

When I read these threads and posts, I have to think that the posters have never been married or lived with a female. Women wear women's clothing, not as some sort of fetish, but because it's illegal to run around in public naked and it's usually too cold to do so.

For a female, panties are something to be worn so nobody sees your crotch when you bend over. A bra is something to keep the boobs from bouncing too much. Practical, that's all.

The lace and frills are for when there's a chance she will undress in front of someone she wants to impress.


........ I personally believe too many women have not acquired the art of being alluring. .........

When did it become a woman's job to be alluring?


..............One thing that even a CDer knows is that there are only two pertinent measurements, how far around you are, and the volume of the items to be contained. Once you have those two things determined you're done.

And how high or low on the chest they are. My wife was in the fitting room at Fredricks of Hollywood with a 25 year old "B" cup SA trying to fit my wife with a bra and I overheard her say "I guess you need the long straps".

Size and gravity over time can play a part.

[BLUE ORCHID]

[QUOTE=ReineD;

I honestly think that many CDers have closets that exceed the average GG's in size, at least according to reports I've read on this site. So if a CDer has dozens and dozens (or more) of bras, panties, etc, it is the CDer who places undue importance on this more than the GG who dresses for comfort and practical reasons ... unless she's young and looking to impress her new boyfriend or the boyfriend that she is in the market for. :p

. ((Guilty as charged your honor))



So really, just as you say, "Why don't more GGs wear the lingerie that I like", most GGs will say,

"Why on earth do CDers place so much importance on lingerie?" :)



. (( The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence))

[kimdl93]

Women view lingerie differently. For them, its clothing. Look in the online catalogs...the lingerie section includes a lot of garments that just simple, comfortable and utilitarian. That doesn't mean women don't appreciate cute panties and bras...there are lots of those too. But these aren't sexualized....except for the lace teddy, etc which may be explicity purchased and worn for the response from their partners.

Certainly, the emotional attachment to particularly sexy lingerie is a male thing. As several people have commented, men love women in lingerie. Its a largely sexual response. Lingerie is important to us because of this sexual context....and at least early on, as a proxy for a female partner.

I suspect that most CDrs first wore lingerie in that sexual context. (Reminds me of Rodney Dangerfield's line: "I remember the first time I had sex. I was really scared. I was all alone!")

[TinaMc]

This thread was all going so well until someone had to bring up fungal infections.

[Stephanie47]

It takes some effort to keep a long term marriage healthy. From what I see in the visual media and in the environment too many women of today let it all hang out. How many times do I see a young adult with their boobs hanging out of their tops cashiering at Target. Is that alluring? To me it appears to be the 'caveman' approach. Hey, dude "Take me!" I think this may be a generational thing. Older guys did grow up with women accentuating their femininity. Now? Not so much!

I should have also stated guys should try to be 'alluring also.' That precludes stuffing your face with beer and pizza and expecting your body to be fit and trim. The number of younger guys walking the malls with beer guts, tee shirts too short to hide their navels and displaying the cracks of their ass is disgusting.

I guess they're hooking up with those women with their boobs hanging out of their tops.

My point is men and women of my generation (I'll preface it with "MY") think men and women look more attractive to their mates with sensual attire than butt naked. I will agree certain body types will turn a spouse on dressed in nothing more than a tee shirt and briefs with wind swept hair caressing her face. Been there, done that! :)



When did it become a woman's job to be alluring?

The point of the original post was the infrequency of the poster seeing lingerie being worn. Again, I and my wife spent the early years of our marriage in New York City. We spent many hours together in mid town Manhattan shopping ONLY for lingerie and day wear. There were racks of delightful lingerie, colorful matching bra, panty and slip sets.

Crap, if there wasn't sensual lingerie and day wear back in the 1950's and 1960's I sure the hell would not have turned out to be a cross dresser!!! I guess I should blame Mr. Rowland Hussey Macy and Mr. Adam Gimbel for me being a cross dresser. :)

[Foxglove]

It depends on what you want. From what's said on this forum, I strongly suspect that my wardrobe, compared to lots of people's, is very limited and boring. I try to buy sensible stuff that a middle-aged woman could wear. But look at what I can do with it.

Today, e.g., I had my first day out on this little town I live in. I had stuff to do in the Post Office and library, shopping to do at the supermarket, then I went to a café for a cup of tea. I was wearing nice-looking, but sensible stuff: coat, hat, top, skirt, flat boots. I was hardly out of the house when I started playing a little game: how many people would I run into who knew me well but would fail to recognize me? I counted six--three of whom I actually spoke to (in the supermarket).

People paid no attention to me. At one point I ran into a large group of schoolkids and they didn't even bother to get out of my way. That's how little notice they took of me.

So my clothes, however boring they might be, help make me invisible--an incredible blessing for a "girl" like me.

So it's a question of what you want--lace and frills or a life. My guess is that most GG's want a life.

Annabelle

[Babeba]

Hold on to your jock straps, everyone! A few posts on here inspired me to turn on my computer so I could type faster than on my iTelephone screen. I think it's clear who on this thread was raised male, and who on this thread was raised female. I love the posts Reine and Snow have put on here (Snow, you've got me in stitches!) so I won't spend too much time saying what they said.

tl;dr version:

I wear underwear that I like. not that I think you will like. Sometimes I wear underwear I think Crystal will like, but that's between her and I. :devil:

... Sometimes, like to day, everything is black; the bra and panty, the slip. the thigh high stockings, the heels, the dress and the bib apron is black with a pink floral pattern. Other times I feel like a little tease. This knee length long sleeves black dress can be worn over a pink slip and pink bra and panty set. A little hint of daring. Or a lacy white slip and panty. Personally, I love it when I see a woman crossing her legs and there is a hint of lace underneath.

... Of course, Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof gets my lions afire!

Stephanie, whatever floats your boat... but honestly? This level of detailed fanatacism over matchy matchy lingerie is NOT what most GGs do. And honestly, if I am going to a place where I think there is the barest possibility that some guy at least twenty or thirty years older will even THINK about what my undergarments are or look like, then I am going to FOR SURE make sure they are as hidden as possible. What you find exciting, I find immeasurably creepy and insulting to women as human beings as opposed to props for hetero male fantasies.



I still don't get it. I can understand being practical for work situations and other events, but that mentality seems to take over nearly 24/7. And besides, a woman can wear a pretty bra and still not have it be showy or work inappropriate. Same with panties ... a little pink or lace on the legs isn't going to ruin an outfit. And lord knows so many women wear Hanky Panky thongs, why not get one in a cute pink or print instead of white or nude? My point is that they are so lucky to be able to wear lingerie it shouldn't just be "something to put on." For all the talk we hear about empowering themselves through clothing and other means, why not start at the core? It is such a simple thing. I know when I put on pretty lingerie, I just feel different. It is an emotional connection to feeling feminine and sexy and comfortable. They should be so happy to open up the panty drawer and find pretty prints and designs to put on. So you need a comfortable panty to wear for a long day at work? I get that. But it doesn't have to be nude or white ... it can be a nice feminine shade with a cute bow hidden away. Heck even Olga panties with their comfy lace waistband and delicate bow should do! All I know is that if I see a woman wearing something even approaching pretty lingerie, I think to myself "There is someone who cares about themselves." I have been brave enough by the way a few times to wear pretty satin lingerie all day. Yes it got hot, but it was a pure joy and I don't see myself ever getting tired of it.

I agree with the sentence I bolded. Personally, I've shopped at specialty underwear stores since I was a young teen: not because I think anyone else (at that age, especially, but even now) should be all up in my bidness and know what it is I'm wearing, but because knowing that I am wearing something super cute that is for ME ONLY makes me feel upbeat. It's nice having secret things you do just for you.

I'm seeing now, though, that apparently the 'things I do just for me to feel special' aren't the right ones? Sheesh, now I'm being told that all my awesome, soft, tastefully coloured underwear that makes me feel good about myself is too BORING for you guys? And here I thought I was being all classic and timeless with getting the nude panties rather than the black-and-white-racing-checks-with-flourescent-yellow-highlights ones that made my eyes twitch.

Seriously, as a GG I don't feel like wearing the things that make ME happy is a 'waist' of lingerie. At all. You get to wear what you like and want. So should I. It really pisses me right off to see titles like the one on this thread.


When my wife and I first got married, she wore the lacy under garments and frilly clothes. Thiswas just fine with me. We moved to Alabama and she had her first yeast infection. Cotton was the order of the day then. I was more comfortable and helped with the yeast infections. But she still got the pretty prints of panties. Fast forward 20 years and my wife is getting yeast infections every month. Diflucan does not work anymore or only works for about a week. She in miserable. We started doing research on yeast infections. Turns out that most women got their yeast infections from the men in their lives. Men will get a blood infection and pass that on. We finally got the situation taken care of. We found a product call Fungal Defence from Garden of Life. We both took it to clear up any yeast infections. My wife has not had a yeast infection for 6 years now. If there is any hint of discomfort we both take this stuff and systoms go away. She is back to wearing the satin/lacy stuff again and life is good.

Did your wife ever go to the doctor about these yeast infections? Because I gotta tell ya, recurring yeast infections can sometimes be caused by (or mask) other infections. Some diseases can (and do) have symptomless stages which can have really negative health consequences years or decades later. The fact that symptoms cleared up when you both treated yourselves does look like it was a yeast infection, but that's not always the case for everyone.

http://women.webmd.com/yeast-infection-or-something-else



I see a lot of excuses here for women not wearing sexy enticing lingerie. My wife is a very sensual woman. When she gets bored out of her skull shopping for lingerie, then it is hopeless. I personally believe too many women have not acquired the art of being alluring. Part of the romance is unwrapping the packaging. I do not buy into the notion plus size women are afraid to show their bodies. Once upon a time lingerie was used to obscure their perceived imperfections.

It seems the early 1980's started the demise of sexy lingerie and day wear. Check eBay and other vintage lingerie resellers. There is an abundance of larger sizes, up to 46, in day wear. Sometimes in order to keep romance alive there has to be a little creativity and mystique.

Yeah, wear those cotton comfortable panties to your nursing job. But, darn, do get some sexy lingerie and day wear.


Again, with the diminishing role of women!!

We are not all nurses. Not all nurses are women. Yes, back in the EDWARDIAN period it was the only job outside the home (other than being a nun) which a woman could have, but it's demeaning and insulting to suggest that role is all we GGs do now. We are scientists, fire fighters, engineers, doctors, lawyers, and police... we are anything we want to be. When we are ready to put on special underwear for someone else in our lives, we're not doing it to 'hide imperfections.' Any dude or lady seeing MY nearly naked butt (*hypothetical, other than Crystal! :D) only gets to do so with the understanding that we both already know I am incredibly sexy and it's the brief icing on the already awesome cake. By the time underwear gets into the equation, it's a done deal already.

Besides, if I'm going to put on 'special underwear' to try and entice Crystal to take it off, why would I spend a ridiculous amount of money on it if it's only going to be there a short time? Seems ridiculous. I'd rather spend that money on a nice outerwear outfit.

I think in the 1980's a lot of women stopped giving a damn what men at large thought of their panties. So why the hell would we come home after a long day of work, and feel we needed to 'slip into something more sexy' for your personal approval? If I'm changing after I come home from work, I'm more likely to slip into comfy yoga pants than scratchy panties from some dodgy source on Ebay which are older than I am!

[Stitch]

Psssssh!

I always laugh at these sort of posts.
Who says that plain bras aren't sexy? I could wear the most blandest underwear and still pull off an alluring look.

I realise your coming from a completely different view of what you personally feel is attractive and feminine but generally when it comes to being appealing we don't really need to jump through that many hoops. Clothes don't make the woman.

I know I'm adorable, and underwear no one but my boyfriend sees will make a blind bit of difference to that. As for my boyfriend? I know that he finds me cute in almost anything. Heck I could get his attention in nothing but a blanket and a baseball hat. The guy that only wanted me because I went out and bought expensive underwear for him to "unwrap" isn't the type of man I want. I'd rather spend the money I save on buying plainer underwear on movies and books we can both enjoy cuddled up. Underwear is not a big priority for most women. It's expensive and not always practical.

Anyway, consider this. You may think they are boring, but my very plain nude bra and panties work amazingly under thin fabric figure hugging clothing. If you wear lace underwear under things like that you end up with lumps. I'm all about the silhouette baby! I like to focus more on what people can see. :devil:

[kellycan27]

All you need ( are far as men go) to be alluring... is to be breathing. I don't need lingerie to make me feel sexy, I feel sexy just being me. I am not so sure my husband likes me in lingerie because as soon as he sees me in it... he tries to take it off. :battingeyelashes:
As for the OP... How do you know what women are wearing under their clothes? x-ray vision?

[Babeba]

The point of the original post was the infrequency of the poster seeing lingerie being worn.

Translation: the point of the OP was to be a nosey, kinda pervily-behaving busybody!

[GeminaRenee]

Joyous, another thread like this. "Why don't women spend every waking moment in lingerie/pantyhose/heels/corsets/PVC catsuits/etc? I wish I could spend each and every breath wearing them, so every woman should consider it a privilege and an obligation to wear such objectively wonderful garments. After all - they're made for them!"

Moments like this remind me of how disillusioned I was when I went to college, and thought life was going to be great once I met some GLBTQ folk. Finally I was going to be around some people who lived and let live! At long last, I was going to surround myself with people who weren't interested in fitting everyone else into their own little box. And of course, there were a few who fit the bill. But more often than not, they were just trying to stuff everyone into their own very different box.

So please forgive me if I fail to understand the logic of a group of people - who by all accounts are frustrated by other people telling them what they should or should not be wearing - telling others how they ought to dress.

You know, once upon a time, I too was frustrated that women didn't wear what I wanted. Over time, though... I realized that I could wear what I wanted. And more than anything, that might be the reason I dress. Kali looks the way I want her to. And, having that outlet in my life - I feel no real need to tell anyone else to wear what I like. Freed to pursue my own wants, I'm also freed from the frustration of trying to fit others into a mould that may not be right for them.

And the idea that women are supposed to be alluring? Can you imagine if a frustrated SO showed up here, wondering why her husband isn't happy to wear the nice, masculine Carhartts and flannel shirts that were designed for his body? Wanting to know why he couldn't just be masculine, like he ought to be?

Yeah, we all know how well THAT would go over...

[Marleena]

Having them wear what you'd like to wear, or wanting them wear it for you?

These type of threads usually get a reaction.:)

[kellycan27]

Lingerie is good to wear on.. HIS birthday, if I scatched HIS car, or when I've spent too much at the mall... This LBD cost 320.00, but look what I am wearing underneath!! :heehee:

[CynthiaD]

Lets be realistic do you always put a suit on to pop to the shops ? would you don a cravat to collect your mail ?.

I almost always wear a coat and tie when I dress in drab. It doesn't take any longer, and the ladies always seem to give me appreciative looks.

[tara t]

, the selling point of lingerie is sexyness , theres little consideration for practiclity or comfort in thier design . snap crotches and a gazillion laces and hooks might be fun in the bedroom but they are limiting if you actualy have phyical work to do . lace knickers look sexy but chaff like feck , silk reflects heat a lot more than cotton and generally isnt as versatile imo . balcony bras may look rawking but they are not very comfortable for extended use.
then theres the simple reality that women do not want to feel / look like an object of desire all the time .
lastly and imo the best reason they dont wear lingerie all the time .... if lingerie became everyday normality it just would not be as fun or exciting to anybody . if my wife puts on something aluring i aprieciate the effort she has put in for me , i make her feel sexy and pretty (regardless of how she looked) , its a romantic treat if you like . do it everyday and it will quickly become mundane

[kymmieLorain]

vanphair, I totally agree. When I was first married I bought my bride all kinds of lingerie. She wore it occasionally but reverted back to the standard. Now when I get some new lingerie or outfit. she complains that I never get her anything. I don't have the heart to tell her. So I do get her something once in a while, but usually stays in the drawer.

As for wearing lingerie your self. I believe most of us here are of the same thought. Do it. I have worn lingerie for years and will till I die. I don't do it for anyone else but me. I'm the one who is wearing it, I don't care what anyone else thinks. just like when my oldest son( when he was ten, 24 now) said look daddy has girly toes. ( referring to my painted toe nails) I just said "SO" and that was that. nothing ever about it again.

Kymmie

[MelanieB]

Recently I had a Melanie day

Fully dressed in matching black knickers and bra....suspenders holding up my beautiful nylons....lovely silk slip brushing against my body and topped off with a body hugging knee length dress and 3 inch heels.

Make up applied to give me that attractive girl about town look (at least in my deluded mind)

I was on top of the world.....and then I made the mistake....

I asked my wife, Silentpartner, why is it you don't make the most of your natural beauty and wear clothes that will highlight what god gave you

I know youve only got the house to keep, cooking to do, cats to clean out, washing and ironing to do etc.......but whats stopping you??

Well.......to borrow from another recent thread on here, I had a "Magic moment" ........

I saw my own lipstick.....not I hasten to add on a glass as with the other thread but ...on her fist!!!

[Tracii G]

Recently I had a Melanie day

Fully dressed in matching black knickers and bra....suspenders holding up my beautiful nylons....lovely silk slip brushing against my body and topped off with a body hugging knee length dress and 3 inch heels.

Make up applied to give me that attractive girl about town look (at least in my deluded mind)


I was on top of the world.....and then I made the mistake....

I asked my wife, Silentpartner, why is it you don't make the most of your natural beauty and wear clothes that will highlight what god gave you

I know youve only got the house to keep, cooking to do, cats to clean out, washing and ironing to do etc.......but whats stopping you??

Well.......to borrow from another recent thread on here, I had a "Magic moment" ........

I saw my own lipstick........on her fist!!!

Ooooops bad move on your part.
Cotton comfort is my thing be it guy panties or girls I don't discriminate.
FYI pink polka dots today just because they were on top.
I guess I need to go to VS and buy some frilly ones so they can ride up my butt.

[sometimes_miss]

why wouldn't you wear pretty lingerie whenever you had the chance?
It's not all comfortable, and most of the really pretty stuff is expensive. In day to day use, the elaborate stuff usually doesn't get seen, and often can't be noticed at all. So they just wear whatever's most comfortable. I wear female clothing a lot; mostly plain bras and panties under a 'normal' skirt and top, knee socks with penny loafers. Fancy, no. But it feels appropriate, so that's what I wear.

[irishsissy]

I can see where your comeing from. When I see a gg in a store or resturant dressed in something really Blah I allways say to myself what a shame. I,d like to lone her some of my clothes. I don,t think they actually know how much nicer they would look. I allways thought the right clothes helps the pretty gg look even prettier.

[Babeba]

Irishsissy,

Have you ever considered that maybe when that GG got dressed that morning that she wasn't thinking about her looks? Believe you me, pretty much every one of us has clothing we know makes us look fantastic... We might be dressing for the weather or tasks we are doing, instead.

[kellycan27]

I can see where your comeing from. When I see a gg in a store or resturant dressed in something really Blah I allways say to myself what a shame. I,d like to lone her some of my clothes. I don,t think they actually know how much nicer they would look. I allways thought the right clothes helps the pretty gg look even prettier.

Up denile river to fantasy island which is shrouded in a thick bank of pink fog!

[ReineD]

When I see a gg in a store or resturant dressed in something really Blah I allways say to myself what a shame. I,d like to lone her some of my clothes. I don,t think they actually know how much nicer they would look. I allways thought the right clothes helps the pretty gg look even prettier.

We're not all obsessed about our looks. Sometimes, a trip to the mall is just a trip to the mall, with no attempt and also no need to be admired. :p

And don't worry ... we do scrub up pretty well when we want to. lol

[lingerieLiz]

I have a large lingerie collection, 100+ bras and who knows the other counts. What I have found is that I wear the comfortable lingerie most of the time. I used to spend time with my "hobby", but as time progressed I found other things to do. So today while I wear lingerie most days deciding which bra to wear is more a factor of first to be picked up and not showing

Two things about women wearing lingerie I've noticed is that women want the exterior to look as good as posible. Yes there are women who wear provocative clothes. I know women who leave their top button undone on a blouse so that a bit of bra lace can become visible. I do that sometimes. My wife and daughters wear lingerie to give them the best appearance. They have the figures, but what they want is to have the overall look. They and most women don't want their undewear to detract from the total look.

[DebbieL]

Snow White - You are forgiven. :-D

[DebbieL]

I can see where your comeing from. When I see a gg in a store or resturant dressed in something really Blah
Transsexuals who want to transition have to learn to "Blend" - they have to look as much like other women as possible. Cross-dressers get so few chances to get out in public that they want to go really pretty when they do.


I allways say to myself what a shame. I,d like to lone her some of my clothes. I don,t think they actually know how much nicer they would look.
I used to do a leadership course and I would talk to women about the "Magic Dress" - the one that would give them power over men and attract the really good ones - but make her invisible to the jerks.
Of course, there is no such dress, the real answer comes from within - from being confident and from knowing your power and how to manage your environment effectively.
Men do it instinctively - from 5-6 years old, we are constantly aware that there are dangers and risks, and we are alert for potentially dangerous situations, as well as potential positive situations.
Part of this is the higher levels of violence between boys, which is usually accepted by society.


I allways thought the right clothes helps the pretty gg look even prettier.
Women know that this is the case, but when they are significantly prettier than other women in the same environment, they tend to attract a lot of attention they don't want. The woman wearing sweats in the shopping mall in the middle of winter while doing Christmas shopping might go home and put on the little black dress dark hose and 3 inch heels for the charity event that night. At the fund raiser, she wants the attention and admiration of other women who will also be beautifully dressed. She may even want the attention of other men who might be persuaded to donate a bit more to the charity if they are button-holed by her while she is wearing that pretty dress.

Men often actually believe the myth presented by television that somewhere in the world, there is a real place where all women wear designer dresses or skirts, heels, hose, and sexy underwear, every day, all day.

Women who are in direct sales will tend to dress better than someone who works the phones. Women save the "good clothes" for special occasions - want a raise? Red Bra, want a day off? Black bra. Want a week off on short notice, no bra. On regular days, padded beige bra - something comfortable.