Straight CD vs gay CD question

[Briana90802]

Someone once told me that men aren't either straight or gay but fall in somewhere in between. So, if your straight what percent would you say you we're gay? And under what circumstances would you cross that line?

If you're gay what percent are you straight?

Please don't be to graphic.

(Mod-if this topic is better suited for the private mens forum would you move it instead of deleting thanks)

[Melissa73]

idk hard to answer. im still trying to deal w/ that issue myself, as i just came out as a cd. Yet i have to admit, i am very attracted to men. At the same time, i love women, but i cant be sure if its them or their clothes at time. so i would say im a cd, and 49% gay/51% straight.
michelle

[reshma]

to be honest, i guess im 95% straight, happily married and aroused only by my spouse. but there is this 5% part of me that likes to flirt and be friendly with men. but thats it. i guess there are more like me?

[docrobbysherry]

I have no idea how u can come up with percentages, Briana. Unless you're bi?

There's NOTHING about men that I find arousing. The exception would be men that strongly resemble women. How would u compute a percentage number for that?

[Lorileah]

I have no idea how u can come up with percentages, Briana. Unless you're bi?


Easy, you assign a number for certain traits then you plot it. P=<,05 I am convinced the sexual life is a bell curve. No one makes it to the absolute point one end or the other, You like how Bruce Willis looks when he is fighting the bad guys,,,maybe it shows just a hint of homo-eroticism. You look at how a man dresses and admire it...not really a straight thing
after all you did assess another man over appearance. Nothing in the world is absolute except vodka.

[jennCD]

Hard one to answer since I'm not sure how correct your "someone" is, but I guess I'd have to disagree with their assessment regardless. Being straight involves one's capacity to be sexually attracted to and able to love someone of the opposite sex, while being homosexual requires the same but directed to the same sex. Bisexuality is the gray area and I'm sure that's where the answer to this lies.

The better question is: How bisexual are you? (If one feels they can qualify that with a measurement.)

The simpler question for heterosexuals to answer is: What criteria would need to be in place for you to be sexually attracted to and able to love someone of the opposite sex? If anything can found to create a positive answer, then simply refer to the bisexuality question above.

In my case, the answer is no criteria could suit that equation for me... so I'm sure my wife will be happy my percentage is zero. :)

:)
jenn

[suzy1]

This is an easy one to answer. “men aren't either straight or gay but fall in somewhere in between” What rubbish, who told you that!!!
Some but not all men fall somewhere in between.

I am 100% straight.

[Mindy More]

Nothing in the world is absolute except vodka.

Celebrating 30 years of Coming out and Going Out :battingeyelashes:

[Karren H]

This is an easy one to answer. “men aren't either straight or gay but fall in somewhere in between” What rubbish, who told you that!!!
No, not ALL men fall somewhere in between.

I am 100% straight.

Its like being alive or dead.... there's no middle ground... imho... If you have sexual relationships with the same gender any percent of the time you not straight..... that being said there's completely nothing wrong with being gay.... my some is gay.... so who really cares who you do or don't do?

and whys this in the photo forum? I didn't see any visual aids! lol

[DAVIDA]

You don't get any straighter than I am.

[erickka]

It doesn't matter how I am dressed, males in general simply repulse me. I have always gotten along better with women, and love all of them! Oh, BTW, I mean that figuratively, since the only one I really LOVE is my wife of 30 years!

[victoriamwilliams1]

Tough originally posted in the wrong thread I will respond.

As a woman I am straight and as a man I am straight!

Meaning though I am married and would not enter a relationship outside of it I have found that as a woman I do not like women in an attraction way however I have been attracted to a few guys and while as a man those attractions did not exist! So as a woman I am 100% straight and as a man I am 100% straight an as a guy I like women!

[stephNE]

I don't think the two issues are connected, not for me anyway. I am 100% straight, no interest in men whatsoever. I am a CD and dress frequently, but only for myself, as this seems to be comfortable.
But lets look at femininity. I think this is a horizontal scale, 100% masculine on one end, and 100% feminine on the other opposite end. Maybe no one is all the way on either end of this. I might be at a point on this sale that is 45% feminine.

[Millie]

I would think it be a little hard to believe that men fall in between sexual preferences. You're one or the other. I myself am bisexual, I'm attracted to both men and women, but I would never settle down with a man in a relationship. So I consider myself gay. My attraction to men is simply sexual. I do find it hard to believe that men who dress up as we all do, are straight. Even if I wasn't attracted to men and be heterosexual, I would never consider myself as straight for the simple fact that I dress like a woman

[suzy1]

I do find it hard to believe that men who dress up as we all do, are straight.

Well start believing it because its true!

[Jana]

Briana, whoever told you that was a bit off. There are four main groups that define human sexuality: gay, straight, bissexual and asexual. That's it. People fall into one of the four. Gay and straight are mutually exclusive, asexual is not attracted to anyone, which leaves bissexual. There is more variance within this 'category' because they are attracted to both with varying degrees. Some bissexuals favor one gender over the other, some don't, some shift their preference over time, some are still bi-curious and haven't yet acted on their impulses. Whatever the case may be, how to accurate determine "percentages" and most of all, why even bother? Each individual is unique and free to seek whatever partners they feel attracted to in order to have fulfilling sexual experiences.


Even if I wasn't attracted to men and be heterosexual, I would never consider myself as straight for the simple fact that I dress like a woman

Careful, Millie! Sex, Gender, and Sexual Orientation are different things and not necessarily connected or dependent on one another. Sex means the sexual organs you were born with, from a purely physical point of view. Gender refers to psychological identification with either male or female roles. In turn, sexual orientation describes physical attraction, as per these four groups straight, gay, bissexual, asexual.

So, the fact that you are a biological man (sex, born with a penis), who likes to dress as a woman (gender, identifies with female role), and is attracted to both men and women (orientation, bissexual) is perfectly normal and understandable.

Bottom line: a person is not gay because she or he likes to dress with clothes generally associated to the opposite sex. A person is gay when she or he feels sexually attracted to people of the same sex.

Get it?

[Briana90802]

Its like being alive or dead.... there's no middle ground... imho... If you have sexual relationships with the same gender any percent of the time you not straight..... that being said there's completely nothing wrong with being gay.... my some is gay.... so who really cares who you do or don't do?

and whys this in the photo forum? I didn't see any visual aids! lol

Like being dead or alive? Everyone is dying. Life isn't black or white. Anyone who thinks life doesnt have grey areas is just deluding their own life experience.

[Badtranny]

You don't get any straighter than I am.

...says the dude in the lovely red summer dress

LOL

[Jenniferathome]

There is no variation of percentage. You are straight or you are bi or you are gay. If a man calls themselves straight but can be sexually aroused by another man, they are gay or bi,not straight. And your sexuality has nothing to do with the clothes you wear. That is an excuse used by gay or bi crossdressers to act gay or bi.

[GG7irish]

Someone once told me that men aren't either straight or gay but fall in somewhere in between. So, if your straight what percent would you say you we're gay? And under what circumstances would you cross that line?

If you're gay what percent are you straight?

Please don't be to graphic.

(Mod-if this topic is better suited for the private mens forum would you move it instead of deleting thanks)


As a straight GG if it is ok to post, women admire women's attire and I admire men's attire as well....I think anyone will admire a well dressed person. Your orientation does not change by admiring attire of same or opposite gender attire. GGirish

[I Am Paula]

For those of us who have gender issues, not just the ones who like women's clothes, there are three ways at looking at sex (the act).

Physiologically: xy + xx = hetero sexual, xy + xy, or xx +xx = homosexual. That's pretty straight forward.

Socio religiously: sex involving the sex organs you were born with. Once again, determining whats hetero, and what's not, is straight forward.

By gender: It gets really tricky here. A biological male, with a gender of female, has sex with a GG = homosexual?
A biological male, with a gender of female, with a Genetic male= hetero?

Most, if not all, cd/trans women(biologically males) who feel even partly female, whose SO is biologically female claim that thier relationship is hetero sexual, despite all logic that defies it. Barring the oldest joke in CD land 'I must be a lesbian', it shows a certain homophobia among our members, who should be more open minded, and objective.
Face it, a great many of us are having homosexual sex. Call it whatever you want, if it helps you sleep at night.-Celeste
P.S. in answer to the OT, in my experience, most males are not as heterosexual as they make out/ tell thier wives. Thank god for fishing trips, and beer.

[Gayle]

I don't know where the figures come from but the usual stats are 1 in 20 people are gay, male or female, 1 in 4 are bi-sexual male or female, any time in history, anywhere in the World. As far as T-Girls, in the widest sense of the word, are concerned, more than half are actively bi-sexual from many years of personal experience. However, there may be variations by membership of TV sites. Comfort zones perhaps. CDs.com membership may be less than 1 in 4.

[Melissa_59]

I think it's hard for a person who is 100% straight to say that everyone is either 100% straight or 100% gay (or whatever percentages you want to assign) simply because they don't have a proper frame of reference. We each see the world in our own way, and someone who can't see any other way (100%'ers) will tell you that you're full of "rubbish" (I think the word was). There are bisexual people out there, and I've often wondered if they're "bisexual but leans more towards one side or the other" or if they're just happy with anything.

Personally, I'm straight. And I know that puts blinders on me for being able to see the world through another viewpoint. I accept the fact there might be alternative viewpoints by people who can see things I cannot, though.

~Melissa

[Krysti]

I am 100% straight 100% of the time... when im dressed like a woman Im 100% into men. When Im dressed like a man I 100% into women. ;)

[Angela Campbell]

For me I guess it is ...my sex is male, my gender is female and my sexual orientation is strongly towards women. A man does not do it for me in any way if he looks like a man. If the person is a man who looks like a woman, for instance a transexual, I am attracted to that also. It is the female form I am attracted to. This does not change for me whether I am done up as a man or a lady. In fact I prefer friendships with females, crossdressers, and transexuals as well over the friendship of a man. Always have.

Am I a mixed up mess or what? I am a man, who dresses as a woman, and who behaves as a lesbian.

[I Am Paula]

I have had many emotional/ sexual relationships with women. Those where we share things, cuddle, communicate, worry about each other. With a man I have only had physical relationships. When they're done being a sex object, God forbid, I may have to speak to them. I think there's Bi/ leaning toward hetero, and Bi/ leaning toward homosexual, depending on where the emotional side rests. This may seem shallow, but I'll bet it's quite common.-Celeste

[Dawn cd]

While for convenience we put people into boxes called straight and gay—and may argue about how many boxes there are—I tend to believe that sexuality is as fluid as gender. It changes subtly over the course of a lifetime. Young teenagers often experiment within their sexual group, but that's less true for people in their 20s and 30s. I notice as I move beyond the age of procreation (I am married with two grown sons) my homosexual meter has taken a few ticks upward.

[Beverley Sims]

...says the dude in the lovely red summer dress

LOL

Hey Melissa, you look better every time I see you.
That's progress.
Well I think I am still straight any way. :)

[Melissa_59]

Am I a mixed up mess or what? I am a man, who dresses as a woman, and who behaves as a lesbian.

Careful with that. I said something very similar to that once on these boards as a joke, and someone flew right off the handle and landed on me with both feet.

~Melissa

[reb.femme]

Easy, you assign a number for certain traits then you plot it. P=<,05

If there is a mathematical equation for it, then the answer is absolute.....NOT! :)
I'm with Suzy, 100% straight my friends.

[Angela Campbell]

For what reason?

[Marleena]

Oh... another one of these threads.lol. Are we supposed to clarify our sexual preferences (I'll pass, said it enough). To most of the Cis gendered world any guy that puts on a dress is assumed gay or at least bi. Survey says the numbers are the same as in the general public as far as sexual preference goes.

[Ressie]

Oh... another one of these threads.lol. Are we supposed to clarify our sexual preferences (I'll pass, said it enough).

I agree, it would be redundant to answer this. Freud said that everyone is a latent homosexual, but did he have proof?

[whowhatwhen]

It's still being worked on, I need to discover if I'm a gay man or a straight woman.
If I were going by me being a man, I'd say 90% gay.

Don't get me wrong, women are beautiful and sexy... I'm just not interested in sex with them.
:P

[JennyLynn]

I would have to say I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body, But, I would only consider being with the"plumbing" of a man if he were a cd. But they would have to be one cute cd! Personally, I think my body is cute and I could see being with a really cute cd with a nice body. Better be abld to dress well though!

[heather1968]

I would say that I am 100% into women, even when presenting as one. I am comfortable around gay men. I find gay men easy to relate to, I am just not attracted to them.

[DebbieL]

For the transgendered and transsexual community, that can be a really tricky question.

Kinsey suggested that there was a ranking from 1 through 6, 1 being someone who was only attracted to members of the opposite sex and never even had fantasies about having sexual intimacy of any kind with anyone of the same sex, and 6 being someone who was totally homosexual and never had desires to have any type of sexual intimacy with a member of the opposite sex. Furthermore, the distribution seems to be more of an inverse bell curve, with many people being mostly or entirely heterosexual and a smaller but significant number being mostly or entirely homosexual. However, because Kinsey and his team took detailed sexual histories including both fantasies and practices, as well as repressed fantasies, they found that many who practiced lifestyles that were almost entirely heterosexual or homosexual also felt pressure to be one or the other. Many of those who were bisexual to any significant degree (2-5 on Kinsey's scale) often felt that they had to be monogamous and therefore had to choose one or the other.

Kinsey's research also showed that many bisexuals met different needs with each gender. For example, bisexual women might behave heterosexually, but would enjoy social and sensual intimacy with a woman, even though it didn't lead to sex. Conversely, men might find physical intimacy in the form of certain sports such as wrestling or they might find social intimacy with men, but would enjoy only be sexually involved with women.

Other studies have looked at the types of men and women that the subject was attracted to. For example, some "heterosexual" men were attracted to masculine women such as Kathrine Hepburn, while some women were more attracted to very feminine men. Conversely, some men, when given images of only very heavy set women and very buff handsome men, would be more attracted to the men than the women. They might even be a 1 on Kinsey's scale, but might go for a drag queen, a chippendale's boy, or a feminine boy more than they would go for Rosie O'Donnel, Rosanne Barr, or Ethel Merman..

When you add the complication of gender identity things get even more interesting. For example, some cross-dressers love dressing up and are even aroused when they dress up, but would only be able to perform sexually when dressed as a man or when both partners are completely naked. At the other end of the spectrum would be those who have very little desire for sexual intercourse and may have very little desire to make love while dressed as a man or while fully naked. Their true preference is to make love dressed as a woman, with a partner who will treat them as a woman. They may even prefer masturbation while their male parts are completely covered, and would prefer that their partner was also dressed as a woman and preferred to please her with hands, and mouth rather than trying to use his penis. These would be "male lesbians".

When you start to look at activities, some men might enjoy female domination, including amongst others, punishment. Visually, they are looking at a woman, but they want the woman to act more like a masculine personality. Conversely, many women enjoy being able to be the aggressive masculine partner and "be in charge of it" with a male who is more submissive and feminine. Homosexual relationships can be equally complicated, with femme women who like butch women, and butch men who like femme boys or even transgenders and transsexuals.

When you begin to try to map the sexual preferences and sexual identities of two partners together, the picture gets even more blurry and convoluted. You could have male and female lesbians and male and female homosexuals, or even a heterosexual couple where gender roles are pretty much reversed.

Some of these variations in preference and identity may be a result of delaying sexual relations. A boy or girl who is having sexual fantasies for 6-12 years before finding a sexual partner with whom they can have regular mutually satisfying sex (such as marriage) can explore a wide range of variations and options. For example, I got interested in B&D when I purchased magazines with women in pretty corsets, heels, and stockings. The written articles that matched the pictures were those of female domination, bondage and submission. It got added to other preferences. Sometimes a partner will introduce us to something new and we like it. There were times when a partner would tie me up and really act psycho - and I was amazed at how turned on I was when I was experiencing real fear and being aroused at the same time.

In many cultures, boys and girls are paired up in their teens, in arranged marriages. There is often an older person who help train the couple. First they are taught to interact with each other socially, to talk to each other, even to fight with each other. Then they are taught how to make love to each other, and are encouraged to explore a wide variety of sexuality and sensuality, they are taught to focus on mutual satisfaction. Most of these arranged and supported marriages last a lifetime and sexual intimacy continues even after sexual intercourse is no longer practical or possible.

In the United States, boys and girls are taught to be ashamed of their sexual desires, they aren't even allowed to talk about them. They get no formal training other than the most basic mechanics and minimal training in birth control and preventing STDs. Many males have their first experiences with prostitutes, who just want to get get the money and get them off as fast as possible so they can move on to the next one. Many women have their first experience under duress, they may be acquaintance raped, sexually molested by an older adult, or pressured, some are even violently raped as their first experience. For other women, especially those whose first experience is with a boy who has only done it with prostitutes - the experience can be very disappointing. He's been "trained" to go off as quickly as possible, which means that she's barely even warmed up and he's done. Often people don't seriously explore their sexuality, sexual preferences and sexual identities mutually - until they go to see a marriage counselor - who often finds that they have each formed very strong sexual identities and sexual preferences that are incompatible with each other. Some couples can take turns pleasing each other, others go to an "Open Marriage" and far too often, the result is divorce. In the United States, 75% of all children born in the United States will not be living with both of their birth parents by the time they graduate from high school.

One of the great tragedies of American Sexuality (and probably European and Middle-eastern sexuality as well), is that there is so much secrecy and shame around even TALKING about sexual preferences, sexual desires, and sexual identities. If we were able to honestly and authentically share our sexual preferences, desires, and identities publicly with 10-20 people, and let them share that information with others, it would be more like "This is what's on the menu and what am I hungry for" rather than "I can't tell her about my dressing because she'll leave me if I do, while she's saying "I can't tell him I think he'd make a cute girl, because he would leave me if I did".

Back in the 1980s, they used to have "The Hankie Code" - which started out in gay bars because getting matched up with compatible partners was so complicated. It moved over to the straight scene for a while, but the problem was that in heterosexual environments, people kept lying about who they were - because they wanted the widest number of options. Wearing a purple hankie (tranvestite or transgender) was as bad a wearing a dress. Jewelry such as slave bracelets and ankle bracelets turned into hot fashion and suddenly kinky guys were picking up girls in ankle bracelets only to find out that she was "Vanilla".

Unfortunately, many of the sites that encourage sexual authenticity - are also populated with many professionals. It gets really strange when you have two professionals trying to negotiate the deal, only to figure out that neither is going to pay and both were only into it for the money.

[Gaz]

As someone who grew up playing competitive sports, and having been around naked guys quite a lot, I can safely say I have absolutely zero attraction to men. Women are soft, curvy, sensual. Men are all sweaty, hairy, and dangly. Perhaps that's part of the reason I dress as I do - I find the female form so utterly beautiful, and the typical male form to be basically horrendous, so I want to see myself as beautiful in some ways, and not the somewhat chubby bigfoot looking thing my body is descending to as I approach middle age!

[suchacutie]

I make no apologies for the fact that I am incredibly interested in women, period. In fact, I can narrow it down to one woman!!! easy!

And it's not just intimacy that's the issue here. I prefer being with women, or men who act like women, or who are considerate like women. Did I mention I am intrigued with women? :)

The whole idea of being involved in any way with a male is just...well...repulsive to me in both of my gendered selves. Yuck!

I do understand that others will have different sexual orientations, and that's terrific! just not me!

:)

[JennyLynn]

Not to get too graphic but my wife experimented once on me years ago and even though I found it incredible, she never warmed up to it, so it got tossed and never happened again. Been 2 years since we have been intimate as she lost her interest in sex and intimacy. Been promising to go into sex counseling, but hasn't done anything about it. Still love her though. We have an easy life, just miss the sexual part.

[Lady Catherine]

If I were a woman, I'd be a lesbian. Does that count asbeing gay?

[whowhatwhen]

If I were a woman, I'd be a lesbian. Does that count asbeing gay?

No.
If you're TS and you said "I am a woman and I like women" then you'd be a lesbian.

If you identify as male and are only attracted to women then you're very much straight.

[tina 1103]

i would have to admit to being very bi sexual, i do still love everything about a woman, and still love them sexually,
i have also found myself equally enjoying sex with men, both dressed and not,
but i could never have a relationship with anyone other than a woman ..
this make sense to anyone????

[LelaK]

You all think just like me!

If I masturbate, am I gay for being a guy having sex with a guy? If I masturbate dressed as Lela, that ought to mean I'm straight, or at least she is.

I'm pretty sure anyone who has sex organs could be forced into "behaving" straight or gay. It happens in prisons, I hear. Now, if our culture or upbringing brainwashes us, that could be forced behavior as well. I have the desire to be a straight man or preferably a "gay" woman, but I can imagine being brainwashed or otherwise forced into having different desires. Do we create our own desires, even at an early age? Did we have a choice of which desires to accept? Certainly we have some choice, at least after we get a bit older. But it doesn't seem we have 100% control over our choices of desires. There seem to be lots of influences around. We can even choose some of those influences, but seemingly again not 100%.

Our minds may be more flexible than we imagine. The central question I like to ask is What is the best thing to do. Being still pretty mixed up, I seldom seem to perceive the answer clearly, but I seem to progress. Eh?

[Julie Gaum]

Those who posted objectively and not how they "feel" are closer to the truth while two who claim they are straight both when dressed en femme having sex with a man and also straight when in drab having sex with a woman are delusional. First let's exclude from this discussion those born with the wrong body to brain
(the Harry Benjamin Syndrome) and those born with body parts of both sexes and instead focus on chromosome balance as already mentioned. Fact: we all have a mix of Xs and Ys which means that we all are part female and part male --- so relax. The problem for a male derives from being born with an extra X or even an extra Y. Such an individual would have smaller male parts and larger female characteristics or visa versa. Studies and research have arrived at an approximate percentage that 80 to 85% of CDs are not gay and will never ever have an interest in their same sex no matter what they are wearing. However there are many born males who actually have a chromosome imbalance or psysiological or ambigender leanings but naturally never knew it while young. But the "trigger" was activated through environmental or other reasons and they became CDs. Then at a later period in their lives they realized mentally and physically that there was something wrong and thus they wanted to or did transition. My point? That 10 to 15% who become bisexual or transexual (or deny it to themselves for years) are what they are for reasons mentioned and not because of what they are wearing. Nevertheless the feminine feelings that are stirred by wearing female clothes probably hastens the transformation that inevitably would take place. The bottom line is that for whatever the reasons may be one is straight, bi or gay for as long as you live whether you act upon or hide it. There is no shame and no apologies --- you are what you are.
Julie

[crossdressed911]

100% Women. Just my preference and love the way women look and smell.

[DAVIDA]

...says the dude in the lovely red summer dress

LOL

Hey, I didn't volunteer for this, I just deal with it.:strugglin

[NatalieBliss]

While I agree gender and sexuality are independent of each other, me thinks some of these ladies doth protest too much. It is funny how a man in a dress will still get macho and defensive about sexuality.

I have never been with a guy, however I do like the fantasy of being with a guy as it helps me feel more girly. Someday who knows, it will have to be a near perfect storm of events though. Putting a percent on it I would go 90

[Dragster]

I do find it hard to believe that men who dress up as we all do, are straight. .......... I would never consider myself as straight for the simple fact that I dress like a woman

I fail to understand how anyone can LOGICALLY deduce that men who dress as women are not straight, or gay. If I was gay, there'd be no point in dressing to attract a straight man; he wouldn't be interested in me sexually. I'd be trying to attract another gay man, who would also be attracted, only by men. So how on earth could I possibly attract another gay man by dressing as a woman? There may be many reasons I dress in women's clothes, but being gay isn't one of them.

Tony

[Badtranny]

? There may be many reasons I dress in women's clothes, but being gay isn't one of them.

Understood, but isn't it reasonable to assume that a 50 year old dude who swishes around in skirts and heels and calls himself Marsha is at the very least NOT straight?

Everybody here knows that Marsha may indeed be exclusively hetero but at that point, why even bother wasting breath on the word "straight"? I mean seriously. Why even bother arguing with people about how much of a real man you are when you're dressed like freakin' little Bo Peep? You're a queer one way or another so do yourself a favor and accept it. (oh and for the squares, being queer has nothing necessarily to do with being hetero or homo)

[kimdl93]

Someone was grossly over generalizing. Most men are straight, some are gay and some fall somewhere between the two. Speaking for the small percent that have some real bisexual experience, but have lived a long long time in hetero monogamous relationships, roughly 90/10 straight/bi.

[flatlander_48]

Very close to 50/50. For me it's more about the experience and less about the plumbing.

[Kelly DeWinter]

This question was answered by the famous Kilt wearing 13th century mathatician Amos McDresser who was almost burnt at the stake for wearing his kilt above the knee. He confounded the inqusition by mathmaticly proving that everyone was a crossdresser.

cd={alignat}{2}\sigma_1 &root x + y &\quad \sigma_2* frac{x}{y}+\sigma_1' &arc \frac{\partial x + y}{\partial x} & \sigma_2'-frac{\partial \frac{x}{y}}{\partial x}*\end{alignat}

[docrobbysherry]

I am 100% straight 100% of the time... when im dressed like a woman Im 100% into men. When Im dressed like a man I 100% into women. ;)
U can call yourself a fudge sundae for all I care, Krysti. And, you're certainly not the only one here who claims to change her orientation with her outfits.
But, the fact remains you're ATTRACTED to both men and women. So, you'll always be "bi" to me!


Understood, but isn't it reasonable to assume that a 50 year old dude who swishes around in skirts and heels and calls himself Marsha is at the very least NOT straight?

Everybody here knows that Marsha may indeed be exclusively hetero but at that point, why even bother wasting breath on the word "straight"? I mean seriously. Why even bother arguing with people about how much of a real man you are when you're dressed like freakin' little Bo Peep? You're a queer one way or another so do yourself a favor and accept it. (oh and for the squares, being queer has nothing necessarily to do with being hetero or homo)
I would have argued this point to the death with u when I first arrived here 5 years ago, BT. When I claimed to be "100% straight". While my attraction to men has not increased at all since then, I have learned so much about Sherry and T-girls that I don't include "100%" in defining my sexuality anymore!

[paulaprimo]

i'm 100% straight, 99 44/100's % of the time... :D

[DebbieL]

i would have to admit to being very bi sexual, i do still love everything about a woman, and still love them sexually,
i have also found myself equally enjoying sex with men, both dressed and not,
but i could never have a relationship with anyone other than a woman ..
this make sense to anyone????

Actually, yes it does. Sexual relationships and sexuality are different between different genders. I actually preferred the friendships in the gay community because they were so open about their sexuality. There more than a few times when a guy made a pass at me, and I felt very flattered, and on a few occasions, even aroused. I'd even have fun dancing with other guys. I would usually shut down if he tried to kiss me, because I'd feel his stubble against mine and it would shut me down.

I often went years between relationships between women, and even then she was the one who let me know - in no uncertain terms - than she wanted to play with me. Even when I was going down on girls in the coat room, the girls knew that all a girl had to do to have a really good time with a guy who ONLY wanted to please her with mouth and hands - was to wear a short skirt and heels, wait until I stopped being bashful looking away - and looked them right in the eye. Then they would ask me to help them find their coat so they could leave - push me down between her legs, and they new I wouldn't stop until she pushed me away because she was satisfied. When it came to actual sexual relationships, I didn't really even try to do the normal "Pick up chicks" thing. I had women friends who were prostitutes and I didn't even know they were prostitutes. One time, I even want to a store in Texas where the woman offered to "model some lingerie" for me, if I paid her, then tried strip naked and go for my groin. I'd paid the money and didn't get laid - so I truly couldn't get laid in a Texas Brothel.

Most of my second dates with women who did want to have sex with me, involved a U-haul trailer and/or at least making some room in my dresser drawers. I'm transsexual and have always considered myself a "girl trapped in a boy's body" and have usually made love like a lesbian. I'm also too small to be much use with what's between my legs to satisfy a woman. I'm a Lesbian, but my partners are usually bisexual. They like the social acceptability of having a male husband/boyfriend, but love that they have all the pleasures of a girl in the bedroom. I have had one true lesbian girl-friend, and she thought she was bi after dating me and tried to connect with an old boyfriend - it didn't work out very well for him.

Heterosexual relationships seem to be the most complicated. There's the social aspects, political aspects, economic elements, and the sexual elements. Even when things seem stable, the marriage changes things and suddenly the power, sex, and economic situation changes and there can be chaos. Too often, heterosexual sex is based on manipulation, control, force, and deception. Often, second marriages work better because the dynamics are understood and all of the elements are kept in balance. There was a point when I wanted to wash my dad's mouth out with soap for lying to me - he told me that I should save myself for marriage and that after I got married we could have all the sex we wanted. By the end of the 3rd year, we had stopped having sex almost entirely and after my son was born, we didn't have sex for 3 years, then it was a one night stand followed by another 3 year of platonic marriage. My wife became a bitter room-mate who took my money and gave me an allowance of $10/day for food, gas, and soft drinks.

My second wife knew about my dressing, she knew I was transgendered and transsexual, we talked over the phone for about 3 weeks before we met, and she was very much the aggressive one. After that first date, she realized that she had never had an experience like that with another man, and never would. She had experimented with women when she was in college, and realized that I was about as close as she could come to having a Lesbian Husband. Even today, she loves Debbie and only resists transition because she doesn't want to lose that social acceptability and the legal and property rights of a heterosexual wife.

[kathtx]

(oh and for the squares, being queer has nothing necessarily to do with being hetero or homo)

Bingo! Whether we're TS, TG, CD, whether we prefer women, men, or both, we're queer as the proverbial three dollar bills.

[Rogina B]

Being around a whole lot of pretty TG's at a gathering such as First Event,Beall,SCC,etc can really be confusing for some "straight" people. They become so attracted to the image and personna of the woman they see there,yet they then realize that "she is a he".and they were attracted.Oh well! Normal is just a setting on a washing machine,we are all a bit 'queer" and that's why we are here!

[max]

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[Sarasometimes]

Whoever told you that was wrong. For me I would never have gay sex! I think some men and women are bisexual where they are attracted to both sexes but I'm not one of them.

[Desiree2bababe]

I suppose I identify as straight to the world but inwardly to myself I'm no doubt bi-sexual. I took the cogiati test the other day, answered honestly, and it said I was androgenous, the third sex, neither male nor female. I suppose it's true. Mentally, I'm probably gay as I find what men offer to be more pleasing than what women offer sexually.

[GinaM]

Couldn't disagree more. I'm 0% gay and would NEVER even think of doing anything with a guy. Nothing wrong with it just not for me.

[Jenniferathome]

I'm pretty sure anyone who has sex organs could be forced into "behaving" straight or gay. It happens in prisons, I hear.

RAPE is not sexual. It's anger and rage and dominance. It is not about sex.

[NicoleScott]

...isn't it reasonable to assume that a 50 year old dude who swishes around in skirts and heels and calls himself Marsha is at the very least NOT straight?


No, it is not at all reasonable, especially for such an active forum member. It's called crossdressing, and all kinds of us do it - straight, bi, gay. Don't we know by now the difference between sexual preference and occasional dressup fun?

[StarrOfDelite]

A Crossdresser who says "she" is 100% Straight is swimming in that river in Africa, the one called DeNial.

[Angela Campbell]

Gay, Bi, or straight doesn't matter unless you are actually having relations. And even then it only matters to those involved. At the least, for whatever reason we do this we are all ...Unusual. I wouldn't want to be just like anyone else anyway.

Like the tv commercial says...be yourself, everyone else is already taken.

[Laura28]

I guess i would be considered Bi Sexual. I do enjoy the sexual aspect of being with a man but only the sexual part. I am not into kissing or cuddling etc... I perfer woman (my wife) and could never give that part up. i find woman so attractive and men not. But i do enjoy being the woman with a man or TS. I could never have a relationship with a man and i dont see a man and say wow he is hot , but i love to see a hot sexxy woman and check her out. I guess since i will have sex with men than i am Bi sexual but like i said just from a sex side. Does that make sense???

[sometimes_miss]

If you're gay what percent are you straight?

I can't give you a percentage; yet, I can tell you where it comes from, for men anyway. I'm basically straight; I don't see men as attractive or unattractive, I don't feel any sexual feelings towards men in any way, and beyond the basic concept of a guy being more attractive by being in better physical shape or height, I can't tell you why one is considered better looking than another, whereas I can with women.

The simplest test, I suppose, is the one I've suggested over and over for years; Sit on the boardwalk or beach, and when a really hot girl walks from one direction and a guy who you suppose is hot walks from the other direction, which way do you wind up looking (while in your mind, all that you can think about is 'oh my god I wish I could have that!!!!)? That will give you a very good idea of your innate sexual preference. Anything else comes from other psychological things going on.

For me, for decades I couldn't figure out why, when I'm sexually attracted to a woman, I have this feeling in the back of my mind to behave submissively to her sexually and have her take me as a man would take a woman, with me doing the 'girl things' and her doing the 'boy things'. It all comes from having been in a sexually intimate relationship as a child with an older male; I was essentially the girlfriend, he was my only source of affection. Withdraw the affection, and when I need it back, together with it comes the desire to have sex as a girl. Yet, I'm not turned on by the male body, find the scent rather nauseating, and the act itself, painful and unpleasant. So, simply having the desire to behave as a female sexually does not necessarily make someone a homosexual. Are there any homosexual feelings in me? Perhaps; but then, the mental connection of the past events to homosexual behavior may be what puts me off to it to such a degree.
Does that help?

[Briana90802]

You know I think it's funny that some of you are so quick to answer. People answer without even thinking about their answer. It would seem that those people live in a black and white world. Strange that they would be quick to answer a question that isn't so black and white with an answer that seem very absolute. After all if anyone should know better that the world isn't filled with totalities it would crossdressers.

I think those people that answered "100%" with a short answer should look infraspectively and answer again.

[Badtranny]

No, it is not at all reasonable, especially for such an active forum member.

I'm not talking about me or the other members. In fact I believe I even said as much in that very post. I'm talking about the rest of the world, and you can pound your chest all you want but Joe Sixpack ain't gonna buy it until he meets a few Hetero CD's and I think we both know the odds on that one.

I've said it before, you may indeed be exclusively hetero, but there is just no way a dude who puts on spaghetti straps and heels and giggles with his girlfriends about the color of their panties doesn't have at least a little sugar in his tank.

I mean really.

[suzy1]

A Crossdresser who says "she" is 100% Straight is swimming in that river in Africa, the one called DeNial.

Is it O.K. to say that I disagree with you 100%. Do I fancy a man? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr no!!!!!!!!:eek:

And yes Briana, I do think before I answer. Really!:straightface:
Yes, there are all shades of grey but some of us are 100% straight and we know it. And we have the intelligence to know what we are talking about too. Really!:straightface:

[Michelle_CD]

I would probably fall into the 50/50 catagory so I guess that would make me bi. I haven't acted on any of those tendancys since I met my wife. I won't act on them again unless something falls apart in this relationship. But it doesn't stop me from thinking about it every once and a while.

[mike~the~islandman]

Being dressed as a guy or crossdressing en femme doesn't change how I feel towards the individual. CDing can make me lean towards men, in a way of feeling more girly, but regardless if they are a woman or a man, its all about the connection between us :) My current partner carries the strongest connection I've ever had with another human.

I love her, dearly!

[DAVIDA]

It really amazes me that people here that don't know me, think that they know more about me than I do.
There isn't any reasoning with some people. So I don't try.:brolleyes:

[laura.lapinski]

I can't give you a percentage; yet, I can tell you where it comes from, for men anyway. I'm basically straight; I don't see men as attractive or unattractive, I don't feel any sexual feelings towards men in any way, and beyond the basic concept of a guy being more attractive by being in better physical shape or height, I can't tell you why one is considered better looking than another, whereas I can with women.

The simplest test, I suppose, is the one I've suggested over and over for years; Sit on the boardwalk or beach, and when a really hot girl walks from one direction and a guy who you suppose is hot walks from the other direction, which way do you wind up looking (while in your mind, all that you can think about is 'oh my god I wish I could have that!!!!)? That will give you a very good idea of your innate sexual preference. Anything else comes from other psychological things going on.

For me, for decades I couldn't figure out why, when I'm sexually attracted to a woman, I have this feeling in the back of my mind to behave submissively to her sexually and have her take me as a man would take a woman, with me doing the 'girl things' and her doing the 'boy things'. It all comes from having been in a sexually intimate relationship as a child with an older male; I was essentially the girlfriend, he was my only source of affection. Withdraw the affection, and when I need it back, together with it comes the desire to have sex as a girl. Yet, I'm not turned on by the male body, find the scent rather nauseating, and the act itself, painful and unpleasant. So, simply having the desire to behave as a female sexually does not necessarily make someone a homosexual. Are there any homosexual feelings in me? Perhaps; but then, the mental connection of the past events to homosexual behavior may be what puts me off to it to such a degree.
Does that help?

Great post. I agree with "The Test" you propose. I have done similar tests on myself.

I think for many, there are still other reasons we dress as women and sometimes fantasize about being the woman in the act. I think it is part a need for power, a need to feel desired and wanted, and simply a way of expressing our affection and desire of the female form so much that we want to envelop ourselves with it. Immitating that which we desire.

Once we become arroused by this idea, the chemicals in our brains are flowing and our inhibitions are down. Intoxicated with lust. So, we start conjuring up images in our heads, taboo images, and start submitting to these fantasies. Then, when we are done, we try to figure out why we do what we do. The brain wants to be fed those chemicals, so it, along with our ego's, will "trick" us in to doing what it takes to deliver those goods.

[Krysti]

U can call yourself a fudge sundae for all I care, Krysti. And, you're certainly not the only one here who claims to change her orientation with her outfits.
But, the fact remains you're ATTRACTED to both men and women. So, you'll always be "bi" to me!

You are correct it was just my attempt at a little humor :)

[Randi1674]

I identify myself as 100% gay,,, that being said,,, as every person is an individual, logic would dictate that just because one chooses to CD does not in fact that they are str8 bi or gay,, merely that they choose to dress

[Tina B.]

Gee, I thought we all agreed CD'ing was about gender, not sexual preference. But If we are talking about sex, I'll have to say I'm not sure, while I've never been with a man, or wanted to be with a man, i did ask my self if I was gay when trying to figure out what this crossdressing was about. I figured since men didn't turn me on at all, I must not be gay. But since I have never been with anyone but my wife, for over 43 years, never thought about cheating on her with anyone of any gender, I have nothing to go on to answer a question like that.

[Regan]

I can now say that I am 100% Gay CD who is in the process of coming out and enjoying the real Regan.

[JessiJ]

If someone can ever figure out the answers to all these questions, please send them my way!

[AmandaM]

You know I think it's funny that some of you are so quick to answer. People answer without even thinking about their answer. It would seem that those people live in a black and white world. Strange that they would be quick to answer a question that isn't so black and white with an answer that seem very absolute. After all if anyone should know better that the world isn't filled with totalities it would crossdressers.
I think those people that answered "100%" with a short answer should look infraspectively and answer again.

Are you trying to justify that no one is actually 100% gay or straight? I don't think you can. Lot's of people are 100%. Not me, but you cannot with certainty make that case. For myself, I'm straight unless dressed, then I'm about 90% straight. But go bii only if I feel like a woman. If I feel like a dude in a dress, I don't go for guys. I don't know why, but my bi-ness is absolutely tied to my genderness.

[Slipstream]

In lieu of giving a percentage, I will just say that I find any form of sex between two men repulsive. Not trying to bash anyone and after a fair amount of research I have found that many more people in the general public find my cross dressing more repulsive than homosexuality. Haven't figured the "WHY" on that one yet.

I have always looked at the fact that I have been so enamored with everything female as the main reason I do it.

[Ann Louise]

I am 100 % bisexual! LOL! But, seriously, for the sake of the OP: I've been putting myself forward very successfully as a male in several largely male-dominated professions for many years, and I'm comfortable in that role; I talk-the-talk and walk-the-walk of maleness when with fellow men. But, over my lifetime, particularly in my twenties and thirties (I'm in my late 50's now), I've had several outright sexual experiences with men and overall found it very satisfying (but short-lived, and honestly, somewhat embarrassing, too), because I found them cute, funny, and sexy in a sort of feminine kind of way, and apparently they found me so, too.

BUT, I love women and am totally sexually attracted to them, and would only ever live with a woman. And even though I am attracted to men I would never want to live with a man! And, by the way, I am very attracted to t-girls, too, and although I have yet to have spent any private time with a cute tgirl, I would love that, too! What sort of preference twist is that? Does it depend on whether I'm dressed or not? Hmmmm...

Overall I'm purposefully developing the ability to feel love and compassion for everyone, everywhere, who does not inflict cruelty and deprivation on the weak and helpless, and regardless of their genital equipment and sexual orientation, I'm pretty sure I could hang out with, and hug, kiss, and have sex with anyone who I'm feeling good about. So whoever has a mathematical approach they can apply, crank an equation on the foregoing and tell the OP what my percentages are.

Hugs, Elfin

[Annette Anderson]

I'm straight unless dressed, then I'm about 90% straight. I don't know why, but my bi-ness is absolutely tied to my genderness.


Had to smile at that one

[Valeri]

I'm definitely 100% straight.

[Amy R Lynn]

Hmm.... This is a tricky one to answer.... for me... I would say that I'm very open minded about trying the things that I like. With that being said, so far I have only ever found women attractive. I'm not opossed to have a relationship with a man. I just have never found a man that I felt that way about. If one would happen to come along, then I probably would go with what I like. I'm not sure what "label" that even fits under. But that is me.

I have only been out to a club dressed en femm once. I did find it very flattering having men hit on me and buying me drinks. I never got that much attention being a guy. It was very alluring. I can see how a lot of us can be attracted to that attention when dressed. It is a LOT of fun.

[Nanaya]

I'm bi myself. I have a preference for men, but I swing both ways. But it and my crossdressing habits have nothing to do with each others.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Like being dead or alive? Everyone is dying. Life isn't black or white. Anyone who thinks life doesnt have grey areas is just deluding their own life experience.

What a thing to say ! Karren works in a coal mine ! It doesn't get any more black and white then that ! ( Just picking on you Karen. By the way when you get off work today , look up in the sky, that color you see we call "Blue"
. On a serious note, some people do live in a black and white world. Or to then some subjects are black and white, yes or no. It does not invalaidate their world view because they do not agree with you. Also it seems a bit improper to ask a question in a forum, and then call someone 'deluded' for answering your question. And I agree with Karren, because you have given no guidelines as to what YOU consider gay or straight. As you may have noticed here, there are very few who will agree on a definition on anything.

[Annette Anderson]

Early on in my dressing i had this overwelming desire to go out dressed,but where?.Well i found this gay bar in a back alley.It would serve the purpose.I sat there for hours none of the gay guys seemed interested,(not even when they were drunk).When i left, it was the "straight" guys hitting on me.I never had enough courage to go to a "straight" bar dressed.I just did'nt think rednecks and alcohol would mix too well with a crossdresser drinking strawberry daiquiri's.I think these guys that hit on us are not 100% either.But because we are dressed as woman makes it ok.Months later i was at a straight bar in guy mode,i was sort'a drunk and i was talking to a nice looking girl.I asked her if she had ever been with another woman,she said "no,because i would like it too much".I commend her on this honesty.I thought about that for a long time and how that related to me

[Kelli Ca]

I would say that I'm 100 % straight I don't find men attractive nor do I. Want any kind of sex with them even when dressed. There are some members that look damn good as a woman but I still don't find them arousing.

[taylorangel]

For any academics on this board, you might find this interesting:
Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men
Author(s): Gerulf Rieger, Meredith L. Chivers and J. Michael BaileyReviewed work(s):Source: Psychological Science, Vol. 16, No. 8 (Aug., 2005), pp. 579-584

Also I believe there was the Kinsey scale is what you're referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

[Sophia Frances]

again -100% straight.

[wantstocrossdress]

when i'm a guy i look for ladies though an attractive ts/cd might just be for eye-candy. i would feel uncomfortable around a ts/cd if i were not dressed up. guys, neh.
when i'm dressed up i still look for ladies primarily, a ts/cd maybe if she was well dressed and presentable, and guys not really.

[joannemarie barker]

At least 85% gay.something about women still stirs me up but men for me! And not just CDs,a big hairy mans man will do me :)

[MsJanessa]

I have no idea how u can come up with percentages, Briana. Unless you're bi?

There's NOTHING about men that I find arousing. The exception would be men that strongly resemble women. How would u compute a percentage number for that?
I wonder how many CDs feel the same way---I have no use for ultra "masculine" men but am very attracted to guys who are femme

[ReineD]

For any academics on this board, you might find this interesting:
Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men
Author(s): Gerulf Rieger, Meredith L. Chivers and J. Michael BaileyReviewed work(s):Source: Psychological Science, Vol. 16, No. 8 (Aug., 2005), pp. 579-584

Interesting. Here's a link to the article, and the Abstract:

http://susiebright.blogs.com/bimen.pdf


There has long been controversy about whether bisexual men are substantially sexually aroused by both sexes. We investigated genital and self-reported sexual arousal to male and female sexual stimuli in 30 heterosexual, 33 bisexual, and 38 homosexual men. In general, bisexual men did not have strong genital arousal to both male and female sexual stimuli. Rather, most bisexual men appeared homosexual with respect to genital arousal, although some appreared heterosexual. In contrast, their subjective sexual arousal did conform to a bisexual pattern.

Male bisexuality appears primarily to represent a style of interpreting or reporting sexual arousal rather than a distinct pattern of genital sexual arousal.

Translation: Men who thought they were bi, were found to have had a marked preference for one sex over the other, just like the heterosexual and homosexual men. Most bisexual men appeared homosexual, and some bisexual men appeared heterosexual.


EDIT - Never mind!!

The study was revisited 6 years later, in 2011:

http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2011/08/16/1313530258-rosenthal_et_al.pdf

They said that in the 2005 study, they relied on self-reporting to determine bisexuality, that most of the bisexual men had been recruited from the same sources as the homosexual men, and it was likely that some of men who said they were bi, had never been with women.

In this study, they imposed more rigorous criteria for bisexuality. The men had to have had at least 2 relationships with members of each sex, and had to have been in a romantic relationship with at least one member of each sex for over 3 months. The 2011 study showed that bisexual men are sexually attracted to both men and women.

[MonctonGirl]

I like to think I'm 0% gay but most people who found out about my CDing would probably think 100% gay because they don't understand ... nor do they care to.

I think the way homosexuality applies to CDing is the same way as it applies to MUSIC or BASEBALL
... some people who play guitar or baseball are gay ... most are not.

There are probably many gay men who would never ever put on women's clothing.

However there are probably a lot of effeminate gay guys who also do CD ... and TG guys who like guys who dress in women's clothing ... so ... there is where the difficulty occurs ... they may have established it in the public eye and so now there is a stereotype .... CD = gay.

Oh well.

[Elsa Larson]

I came out as a crossdresser to my mom on my 40th birthday. Mom was 70.

She shared that she believed EVERYONE is bisexual, that is, able to give and receive sexual pleasure regardless of genitals.

[KaylaCD]

100% Gay. I can say that a woman is pretty etc but when it comes to sex and/or a relationship it's only men I'm interested in.

[Michelle 51]

When I was younger I worried I might be gay because I liked to wear womans clothes but have learned since that sexual orientation and gender orientation are 2 different things.Never been attracted to men or experimented with them.Now over 60 and started going to the gym lately and see naked guys in the shower or sauna and zero,nothing but look at some of those women working out or on the treadmill ,tight bodies,zero flab,red in the cheeks and a dribble of sweat on their forehead and chest and I know I'm still attracted to women.I 've been faithfull to my wife for over 24 yrs but they sure are "cute".

[Lacey New]

When I am dressed as a man, I am attracted to women. So I guess that makes me "straight" When I am dressed as a woman, I am attracted to women, so does that make me gay?

[Kelly DeWinter]

Interesting. Here's a link to the article, and the Abstract:

http://susiebright.blogs.com/bimen.pdf



Translation: Men who thought they were bi, were found to have had a marked preference for one sex over the other, just like the heterosexual and homosexual men. Most bisexual men appeared homosexual, and some bisexual men appeared heterosexual.


EDIT - Never mind!!

The study was revisited 6 years later, in 2011:

http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2011/08/16/1313530258-rosenthal_et_al.pdf

They said that in the 2005 study, they relied on self-reporting to determine bisexuality, that most of the bisexual men had been recruited from the same sources as the homosexual men, and it was likely that some of men who said they were bi, had never been with women.

In this study, they imposed more rigorous criteria for bisexuality. The men had to have had at least 2 relationships with members of each sex, and had to have been in a romantic relationship with at least one member of each sex for over 3 months. The 2011 study showed that bisexual men are sexually attracted to both men and women.


Wait a miniute, you mean someone PAID for a study of bisexual men with the requirement that they had to have had relationships with both men AND women to determine that they are attracted to men AND women ????
I want to meet their grant writer. To be paid to study what you by definition already know. LOL

[julia marie]

I hadn't seen the Kinsey Scale before. It sure would make the bar scene easier if everyone stamped their score on their foreheads. Then you would know who is looking strictly for the other gender, who is only looking for the same sex, and who could go either way. So, a "2" to Kinsey is a guy who likes girls but could be persuaded to do a guy. Then you have the "3" who sees potential in the whole population; much less likely than the rest of us to go home alone.

[ReineD]

Wait a miniute, you mean someone PAID for a study of bisexual men with the requirement that they had to have had relationships with both men AND women to determine that they are attracted to men AND women ????
I want to meet their grant writer. To be paid to study what you by definition already know. LOL

Not really. They've long conjectured that subjective attraction does not match physical attraction, in other words, men who believe they are bi may be having sex with both genders while being significantly more attracted to men. So in the second study they measured subjective attraction to the physical attraction in men who had, in fact, had relationships with both and determined that both the subjective and physical attraction did, indeed match.

It's a worthwhile study in my opinion, given the history of internalized homophobia in our culture and the potential for denial. It wasn't that long ago when everyone thought that being gay was a mental illness. There are still people who believe it is morally wrong. So it is not a stretch that some men will prefer believing they are bi rather than admit to themselves they are gay.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Reine, Sorry, I was not dissing the study per say, It's just .... well silly. I'd like to study if people believe they need oxygen to live, the only requirement is you have functioning lungs for at least 2 hours. Can I get a FEDERAL grant for that ?????

[Regan]

I am 100% gay, I have faked attraction to women my whole life and finally accepted the fact I need to dress and be with a man.

[Julie Gaum]

I have to agree with Jana 100%! There are four variations, period. Call yourself whatever you wish if that makes you happy. I see confusion
because, as already mentioned, we are all born with combinations of chromosomes (XX= female and XY= male) with a few with different combinations that causes a problem. Ignoring the Harry Benjamin Syndrom which is a congenital intersex condition, the fact that most of us have both X and Y chromosomes means that those born as males have some feminine traits no matter how macho one acts. So if dressed
en femme one feels attraction do a good looking man that, in most cases, is perfectly normal as long as you don't feel sexually attracted; in which case you have crossed into another category from hetero. Not judged as good or bad but that's the way it is.
Julie

[Lacy PJs]

I have read most of the replies to this question but did so rather quickly so may have missed a point or two along the way. It seems to me that one could be confused a bit by the question here; there is a difference between being something and being curious about something.

It would seem to me that you are not even part gay unless you have had an actual gay experience. Thinking about an experience with another man is not being "part gay" any more than thinking about stealing something makes you part thief. Or thinking about winning the lottery is being part rich! Then if you didn't particularly like the experience and don't ever want to try it again... that's another issue to consider.

So when you ponder your answer to this question, realize that you may have feelings or thoughts about something but that doesn't push you into a new category.

Lacy PJs

As for me, I'm 100% straight.

Lacy PJs

[whowhatwhen]

The problem with that is you're assuming everyone is straight until they have some of that sweet, sweet mansex.
I have a problem with the idea that your sexual orientation is undefined until you have sex, chances are you know what you're attracted to well before then.

[Sophie_C]

You know, it's worth saying that you're not going to get all real answers here. They're always loaded, and I'd bet a pretty penny that a good number of those making in bold letters "100% straight!!!" have fantasies that are the exact opposite. Just like Shakespeare said "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks)(click for the wiki link).

But, why? Because:

A. Many people here have wives who read this or could read this and don't want to jeopardize their marriage (which may already be jeopardized by their crossdressing).
B. Many people who crossdress strangely feel they have to "defend" their masculinity by overemphasizing their heterosexuality.
C. Many people who are bisexual put their blinders on the moment anything comes up (see B) and never address it (even if they aren't in a relationship).
D. A small number of people who crossdress are actually trans, with this as the start of their journey and having difficulty dealing with that, causing them to overemphasize their heterosexuality.

Anyway, being trans but closet trans, It's hard to say, due to the lack of experience "living" as a woman. A lot of what was posted in this thread is wrong. Just looking at someone doesn't encompass your sexuality. Sexuality doesn't exist in a bubble. It's the interaction between two people, from meeting through an entire relationship. Flirting, spending time together, learning each other's dreams and desires, romance, it all goes into play. You don't know that from simply looking at a photo or even passing a man or woman on the street. You don't have the experience of being wined and dined. You don't have the experience of being pursued. You don't have the experience of feeling desired, of being wanted. That only happens in real-life. And, it doesn't happen with the experience of one person of any gender, as we know you don't get the "sparks" with every person you meet.

Anyway, If I were to guess, I'd probably be 75/25 male-oriented (however you want to define it, since from a transgender perspective, it's "straight"), but without living it, it's a bit foggy on what's envy versus actual desire. It could be 95/5 or 25/75, for all I know. Hope this helps.

[missmars]

90%straight and 10% lesbi

[jenni_xx]

It's an impossible question to answer, simply because the percentages that people will provide will be completely arbitrary and made up based on some pre-conceived notion people have about themselves.

And that, at the end of the day, is the only thing we can judge such a question on.

For example, if a man here says they are 10% gay and 90% straight, then does that mean that they will have sex with a man for every 9 women they sleep with? I wouldn't say that is the case. I'd rather say it is the case they feel they will never have a relationship with a man at all.

I regard myself as gay, yet I have had relationships with women. I've had one long term relationship with a man - who is now my husband - and I love him so very much. I don't want to be with anyone other than him. Does that make me 100% gay? I don't think it does if we take your rationale into account.

To be succinct, I hate percentages when it comes to this kind of discussion. For it can't even begin to comprehend what it is that makes up human sexuality.

[Tracii G]

I have been on both sides while searching for who/what I was so for me I can go either way it just depends on the person and how I feel about them.
Each gender has their strong and weak points neither are perfect.

[busker]

I have to agree with Jana 100%! There are four variations, period. Call yourself whatever you wish if that makes you happy. I see confusion
because, as already mentioned, we are all born with combinations of chromosomes (XX= female and XY= male) with a few with different combinations that causes a problem. Ignoring the Harry Benjamin Syndrom which is a congenital intersex condition, the fact that most of us have both X and Y chromosomes means that those born as males have some feminine traits no matter how macho one acts. So if dressed
en femme one feels attraction do a good looking man that, in most cases, is perfectly normal as long as you don't feel sexually attracted; in which case you have crossed into another category from hetero. Not judged as good or bad but that's the way it is.
Julie

Maybe for the cds it is xy Another interesting thing about the sex genes that seem to show up and point toward "hidden" female characteristics is that so many diseases and drugs produce gynecomastia==breasts. Why not longer a longer penis, or bigger ears? Brain tumors, adrenal tumors, a rare lung cancer, and about 40 prescription drugs trigger the growth of breasts. Is it that men are really just barely disguised females. The female fetus needs no chemical action to become a female, but the male fetus NEEDS chemicals to become a male, so we are really all females and just a bit of bad chemistry can set us on a path towards??????????/

[avant1465]

As best I can tell, I'm 99-44/100 % straight.... AND, I float!!!!!!

[flatlander_48]

I hadn't seen the Kinsey Scale before. It sure would make the bar scene easier if everyone stamped their score on their foreheads. Then you would know who is looking strictly for the other gender, who is only looking for the same sex, and who could go either way. So, a "2" to Kinsey is a guy who likes girls but could be persuaded to do a guy. Then you have the "3" who sees potential in the whole population; much less likely than the rest of us to go home alone.

That's not why people are bisexual.

[CassandraSmith]

[...]I do find it hard to believe that men who dress up as we all do, are straight. Even if I wasn't attracted to men and be heterosexual, I would never consider myself as straight for the simple fact that I dress like a woman

100% straight for me. I've never felt an attraction for the same sex. That's different than entertaining fantasies of being a woman though. It would be the same as fantasies of flying a jet fighter. You think it would be fun but when you actually ride in an aerobatic plane, the actual experience is incredibly painful and arduous.

[DebbieL]

Personally, I am a lesbian, my fantasies, for as long as I can remember, have been of me, as a beautiful woman, kissing, being kissed, being seduced by a beautiful woman. Gender identity has little to do with preference. Bisexual MtF transsexuals often prefer women when in stealth mode as a man, but prefer men when living as a woman.

Many heterosexuals are also limited in their range of preference. For example if a heterosexual man was given the choice of an unattractive woman, perhaps Rosie O'Donnel or Rosanne Barr, and a really handsome guy, Justine Timberlake, or Rock Hudson in his prime,they would choose the cute guy over the ugly woman. Ironically, some bisexual men seek out less feminine women as partners. Many transgender bisexuals actually love being seduced by a female partner, even if she is more masculine, overweight, and/or rarely wears skirts or dresses.

[Lacey New]

If I had my choice between Rock Hudson and Rosie ODonnell, I woud choose Rosie - and her five sisters

[ArleneRaquel]

Bossom Buddies of course...btw I LOVE Holland Taylor. :) Oops wrong thread....sorry.I'm bi btw, men are now my main squeeze.

[cindybabe]

100% poker straight, i have never found men sexual arousing ever,and the same when i am Cindy which means i must be a lesbian and 100% gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Confused :heehee:

[sheilagirl]

Right on StephNE! The "horizontal scale" is an excellent analogy. For me, that scale changes, almost daily, depending on how I'm feeling.
I don't think the two issues are connected, not for me anyway. I am 100% straight, no interest in men whatsoever. I am a CD and dress frequently, but only for myself, as this seems to be comfortable.
But lets look at femininity. I think this is a horizontal scale, 100% masculine on one end, and 100% feminine on the other opposite end. Maybe no one is all the way on either end of this. I might be at a point on this sale that is 45% feminine.

[April_Ligeia]

The only way to really answer this question is to list all of your past and present sexual partners and then do the math to see what the percentages are. If you fantasize about something, it can't possibly count. I fantasize about winning the lottery every time I buy a ticket, but that doesn't make me any percentage of a lottery winner. Although I have had fantasies and crossdress regularly, all of my sexual partners have been female, so I am 100% straight. Sounds pretty uncool, but it's the truth.

[Luna Nyx]

Personally Im 50/50. But math wise im at 65% straight.

[LilSissyStevie]

We tend to talk about gay, straight and bi as if they were states of nature when, in reality, they are "social constructs" - to use a worn out term. Heck, I can remember when none of these terms even existed. Back in the day there were only "queers" and "normal" people. Straight meant you didn't drink or do drugs, gay was somewhere between happy and silly, and bi meant two. The late Gore Vidal said that there were no homosexual people, only homosexual acts. When you throw in the transgender idea, even what constitutes a homosexual act become unclear. At best gay, straight and bi are identities. There are other identities, too: pansexual, asexual, girlfag, guydyke, male lesbian, bi when dressed, sissy:battingeyelashes: and dozens more. You are one if you identify with it. In my case, I've never had a sexual encounter with another male bodied person (thought about it) but I still can't imagine calling myself "straight." So, 100% freak-on-a-leash here.

[Sophie_C]

It's impossible to answer here, as many people (a) have a heterosexual partner who could leave them by saying it (even if they're bi) or worse, (b) have a heterosexual partner is a serious LTR reading this who will. I honestly, think it's like 1/3 gay, 1/3 bi, 1/3 straight, but that's just an educated guess. If there was a way to put fully anonymous surveys here and fully anonymous posts, you might get something closer, but people get paranoid over that, having IP address tracking and whatnot. Maybe one day when people don't get so freaked out over this, we'll know, but given all that, and the fact that many people lie to themselves, it's impossible to know right now.

[CassandraSmith]

It wouldn't be hard to set up an anonymous survey over on Survey Monkey if we all really want to know. The problem then becomes getting a realistic sampling group for statistical significance.