Asians make better crossdresser?

[ginawarp]

I am much inspired by many beautiful asian crossdresser.
Some of them started as cosplayer.

There is even this taiwanese full time crossdresser and he is a father too!
https://www.youtube.com/user/norika671207?feature=watch
check out the youtube channel

There is also a japanese game show featuring crossdressing boys that really look like girls. This one is amazing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxrv0DFubw

Some beautiful crossdresser I came across on the net
http://www.crossdressermash.com/?id=36
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38971884@N04/5027914459
http://www.crossdressermash.com/?id=34
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38971884@N04/5008007077
http://xd5.xanga.com/e4ef411354433257975132/z205328471.jpg

[erickka]

Not only are they great looking crossdressers, but if you go to youtube and search "ladyboys" you'll be amazed at some of those folks. To sum it up, they're gorgeous!

[Jana]

I don't know what you mean by "better". What I know is that many Asian men have more delicate facial features than their Western counterparts, fact that serves them very well when crossdressing. Your pictures are a testimony to that. Lucky them!

[Kate Simmons]

Asian guys may "get away" with things easier because of their small frames and fine features but they still have to work at it like the rest of us. They cannot just slide into a dress, wig and makeup and automatically become a woman. We all know there is way more to it than that. ;):)

[kimdl93]

I'm Scandinavian a father and a nearly full time CDr, I think I'm competent at presenting as female in some respects. But I will acknowledge that people of smaller stature and finer features have an advantage in presenting as female.

[alwayshave]

I may be off, but perhaps it is harder for Caucasians to read an Asian CD whereas someone who is Asian can pick them off right away.

[I Am Paula]

I've been to Pattaya twice, and have to agree with the old adage 'the most beautiful women in Thailand are men'. While there are some beauitiful GG's, the ladyboys are knockouts. With the exception of a few that dance only, they are all available for rent, if that's your thing.-Celeste

[darla_g]

LOL yes it does seem like it easier for them. just not fair!

[Ressie]

I just saw some before and after makeup pics of a young Asian model/actress and the difference was like night in day. The eyes in particular looked very bad before, but looked fantastic after makeup. Think no eyelashes to wow! Oh, and this model is a GG, not TG.

[Stephanie47]

I did some checking on the Internet for average heights based on country. Asian men in general are shorter than European men. The chart I looked at indicates the average height of a male in USA is 5 foot 10. The average Thai is 5 foot 7, Vietnamese 5 foot 4. The average height for a woman in USA is 5 foot 4, Thai 5 foot 2 1/2", Vietnamese 5 foot even. Within the population I think the average native will be able to discern the male from the female. With the USA population the average height differential is six inches. That is a lot of height to lose in the crowd, i.e., impossible. We're comparing USA male height to Asian height within our frame of reference.

Being six foot even I will always stand out in a dress when compared to American woman. A male of Asian average stature and he falls within the range of the average American female. Hence, he will not stand out in our culture/frame of reference.

I always liked being six foot one-two and even now as aging kicks in six foot even with the exception of trying to pass. I have male relatives by marriage who are five foot seven. Now I would prefer being five foot seven so I could blend into the landscape. It would make it a lot easier to find dresses that work.

There are definitely advantages being short and small framed when trying to pass. I guess tall cross dressers need to join Tall Clubs International where membership is restricted to men at least 6 foot 2 and women 5 foot 10!

[CassandraSmith]

I personally think that it's more about our unfamiliarity with Asian masculine and feminine traits and we more easily mistake their features as feminine. My guess is that it's obvious to them in their culture as it is here and that they would have to really work at it or even do HRT to get a passable face.

On that note, I've often wondered if we appear more feminine to them than their males do? For example, these exceptionally tall women don't really look that far off from some of us as their features are more exaggeratedly male just due to their height:

http://www.bellenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/A-new-research-has-found-that-height-is-linked-to-ovarian-cancer-as-taller-women-have-a-slightly-higher-risk-of-the-disease.jpg

http://radass.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/04-24-12-Tall-Women-30.jpg

[NicoleScott]

Yes, it helps to have a small frame and delicate features, and youth helps a lot, too. Also, some Asians tend to have less hair.
All races have beautiful women, and men who can transform beautifully, but for me, Asians start out ahead of all the others in the beauty department.
I don't have as Asian fetish as some do, it's just my preference, the kind of look I like.
By the way, not all Asians think of themselves as Asian, that is, all Asians lumped together. Many (even most) think of themselves as Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Korean, etc. and there are prejudices (good and bad) about other Asian groups.

[Karren H]

Ohh yeah..... I'll bet American crossdressers can kick Asian crossdressers asses any day of the week! lmao...

[Frédérique]

Asians make better crossdresser? I am much inspired by many beautiful asian crossdresser.

I think they do! Also, based on what I SEE, MtF crossdressing seems to be more accepted, or happy, or even expected, than it is here in America. I’m not sure if this is actually true, but the enjoyable depiction of crossdressing in Asia is much appreciated by THIS crossdresser! There seems to be less guilt about such things over yonder, on the other side of the world, or maybe people are just as repressed as we are, but they are allowed to just let their imaginations run wild…
:battingeyelashes:

[Brittany CD]

I've noticed this too. Many of the Asian crossdressers I've seen are absolutely stunning as women and seem to pass better than others

[DanaR]

Ohh yeah..... I'll bet American crossdressers can kick Asian crossdressers asses any day of the week! lmao...
Karren, what do you base this statement on?:D I'm sure we would be comparing shoe size or something else.

[ReineD]

Asian guys may "get away" with things easier because of their small frames and fine features but they still have to work at it like the rest of us. They cannot just slide into a dress, wig and makeup and automatically become a woman. We all know there is way more to it than that. ;):)

This is true.

Another consideration is that if you did not grow up in an area that was predominately Asian, you will not be able to discern subtle differences in faces. This applies to emotions and also to the more subtle facial gender cues. They've done studies on this and they discovered that babies could tell the differences between genders at a very young age (just a few months old), but only among the predominant ethnic group they grew up in and not among ethnicities they were not exposed to frequently.

My point is that notwithstanding average height differences, if you did not grow up in an Asian country the Asian crossdressers may look more feminine to you than they do to Asian men and women. This is because you will be reading only the more obvious gender cues such as clothing, hair, makeup, and breast forms and the subtle gender cues such as the finer points on the face that give clues as to whether someone is male or female, will escape you.



For example, these exceptionally tall women don't really look that far off from some of us as their features are more exaggeratedly male just due to their height

No. These abnormally tall women suffer from Acromegaly that in turn causes Gigantism, which has as one of the many symptoms, a thickening of the features. This is what makes these women look more masculine. See post #19 in your tall girl thread, I posted a link that explains it.

The thickening of the features happens in both male and female giants, and André the Giant is a good example of this:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/andregiantmug1.jpg

[luscious]

Manny Asians both guys and girls look so plain with out makeup but many asian guys look more convincing as a woman because of there smaller size and plain features make for an excellent blank makeup canvas to draw on more dramatic looks.


in japan they have those crossdressing shows where they spend time and $$$$$$$ to make a guy look convincing
The Power of Makeup: Before and After—On the Same Face!

The Power of Makeup: Before and After—On the Same Face!

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/09/14/the-power-of-makeup-before-and-after-on-the-same-face/


Makeup has been known to do some wonderful things and it’s been known to do some terrible things. Whatever your stance on the application of lavish amounts of cosmetics is, there’s no denying that it can do some pretty astounding things to the human visage.

To really appreciate how radical the transformation can be, it helps to look at side-by-side comparisons of people with and without makeup. Or better yet, as the girl above has so graciously demonstrated for the Internet, look at photos of people with half their face painted in makeup and half their face without.


but look here
http://lelandbobbe.com/blog/tag/half-drag/

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?188189

[luscious]

look at this chinese makeover


make your eyeys look bigger and nose look narrower and brings out your best features.


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[ginawarp]

but i guess she is a girl

look at this chinese makeover


make your eyeys look bigger and nose look narrower and brings out your best features.


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=serp&tok=_Y5dUp4GD-pTHKdRQvXILA&pq=the+illusion+of+makeup&cp=4&gs_id=g&xhr=t&q=before+and+after+makeup&rlz=1G1TSNA_ENUS394&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.eWU&biw=1229&bih=583&wrapid=tljp135831373400106&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=CTn2UImCHor89gTJr4BY

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[joanna4]

I always wanted to be taller:(
It has its ups and downs, I'm happy for not having body/facial hair but I depressed being 5'5"

[Lillyasia]

I always wanted to be taller:(
It has its ups and downs, I'm happy for not having body/facial hair but I depressed being 5'5"

Me too. Exactly. And I agree.

[NeKoi]

I'm an Asian myself and I think that its pretty much the same in terms of proportion. Differences between Asian males and females are probably about the same as of that of males and females around the rest of the world. So I doubt that would be an too much of an advantage. But I do have to admit that Asian females are not usually as curvy as western ladies(its just a generalization thou), this could be one of the keys.

Like what Kate mentioned "gettin away with smaller frames..., however they still have to work like the rest of us". Because everything, face, hair, clothing, actions and speech all play a vital part in passing. Unsuspecting, but CD alarms on those of the "normal" world would be blaring out loud at the slightest cues of abnormality.

Ganbarimasyo! (lets work hard together!)
=^o^=

[becky77]

I'm an Asian myself and I think that its pretty much the same in terms of proportion. Differences between Asian males and females are probably about the same as of that of males and females around the rest of the world. So I doubt that would be an too much of an advantage.
=^o^=

Ah yes but if you move to our part of the world you will suddenly fit nicely proportion wise, now tell me where amazonian women live in abundance and maybe I will move there :)

[Beverley Sims]

Only because of their smaller build.
In their own country they still stand out against others.
Facial and body features are still different.

[SsRebeccaGurl]

::raises hand::

I'm an Asian cross dresser!

There are pros and cons. The great part is that my body has always been very slim and petite. My face is feminine from a western sense so a wig and some make-up and its hard to tell I'm a guy. I got lucky in the height department though being 5'9". Not a lot of Asian guys get up to that height.

Some downsides though.. Short legs relative to torso length. The "double eyelid" thing which makes eyeliner disappear stinks too.

[katlee]

Amazing enough I have a large frame so my chest without forms is 44 inches. I have to say that I have a softer brow and my eyebrows aren't as bushy. Also my jaw isn't as angular. Things I didn't notice until I started trying make-up.

[ReineD]

I don't know what you mean by "better". What I know is that many Asian men have more delicate facial features than their Western counterparts, fact that serves them very well when crossdressing. Your pictures are a testimony to that. Lucky them!

I can't speak for Thailand, but coincidentally, I'm in Japan right now. Last week my SO and I went all over Tokyo. We didn't stop all week and we took the subway/train system everywhere. Tokyo is crowded (13 million people) so I had ample time to scrutinize and study people's faces, both men and women. In my opinion, there are just as many more delicately featured men compared to the overall male population as we have baby-faced men in the West. There are some macho looking Japanese men too, in fact I don't think that most of them could get away with passing as a Japanese woman, not when you compare them to the truly delicate features and small stature of Japanese women. Most of the men that I saw have beard shadow just like Western men. And they are much bigger than Japanese women.

As with anything, it is the most passable that put up their videos on youtube, that have web sites, that work in night clubs, etc, but you're still looking at a few thousand compared to the millions of men who would not be able to pass at all. Also, the beautiful lady-boys are young. Young Western men can get away with a lot more than a middle-aged Western man, just think Justin Bieber and picture him with a wig on.

So it's all relative.

[seanmuscle]

Its because asian guys tend to be smaller and shorter, they have petite bodies and smaller hands, feet etc.... They also have less hair and have soft delicate features like women.

The average asian guy is about 5'3 -5'6 and weighs 110-145 so that is about the same height and build as the average american woman. Theres a reason why asian crossdressers can shop in the normal womens section and have no problem finding clothes and shoes.

[Jenni Yumiko]

I think there is a higher rate of crossdressers in Japan, also it's more mainstream, from musicians to TV, to prime time anime. Shopping for girl clothes here(US) you may get weird looks. In Akita, no one bats an eye. On the Oga to Akita line on weekends your pretty much guaranteed to see a group of TS, whether they are VK, or cross playing its hard to tell sometimes. I will say its more predominate among younger people.
I do agree with the height, size per region. So in the us that would be easier.
Renee, you should visit some of the TS/VK clubs then in Tokyo or hang out in Shunjuku Ni-Chome.

[ReineD]

Renee, you should visit some of the TS/VK clubs then in Tokyo or hang out in Shunjuku Ni-Chome.

We went there. And I've no doubt there are some very feminine looking CDers in the clubs. Also, it's a gay neighborhood that also does not represent the average. I'm sure that gay Asian men look more effeminate compared to the balance of Asian men, just like gay Westerners do compared to the balance of Westerners. What I was saying, was that the vast majority of men that you see walking around on the streets would not be able to pass as women to the Japanese population (I would even be able to tell if the average guy that I've seen wore a wig and female clothes in comparison to Japanese women's features and how small they are) ... just like the vast majority of Western men cannot pass as women to the Western population, especially upon closer inspection.

[Julogden]

I recently saw a video somewhere about the Thai ladyboys that indicated that they typically start taking t-blockers and estrogen around the age of 12, so they're going through through female puberty about the same as young females would without having to deal with a masculinized body, so they look completely female, except for genitalia, of course.

Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQOrpF5JTsM&list=PL_eGeq533vYUA0Bjp_7QWcoc30BA7yKY4&index=1) a video about the 4 Thai TS's hired as flight attendants by Thai Airlines, and they certainly look female to me. :)

Carol

[Jenni Yumiko]

Ok I can agree with that, but also it is much more mainstream (among younger generations) and is not looked down upon as hard as in western countries. Although tell my grandparents that I Cd and I would be called a neko, gei, Okama, nothing as nice as josou. I would probably lose my first born rights to land as well. Tokyois very progressive in terms of cities so you won't see the bias as say in Kosaka. The elders though definately have issues outside of the norms... But I digress.
Back to OP.
Yes, Asians do have to work at it also, I can't plop a dress on and be construed as a girl in Japan or the US, from the neck down, in the US, probably, when I had long headbanger multicolored hair and clubbing, I got my butt grabbed on more than one occasion, and when they saw my face they were like, dude, sorry thought u were my girlfriends friend or something equally lame. In Japan, I would really have to work at doing a phenominal makeup job, which i cant do, since I would be considered tall by Japanese standards. 5'6" full Japanese.

[Ezekiel]

Well its certainly on average, yes. Compared to others they don't have such "masculinized" features, they have smaller chins, narrower jaws and rounded / oval faces help a lot. As Jennialy mentioned its also a lot more mainstream, and given the bishonen aesthethic north-eastern Asian countries believe in, its far easier to crossdress, define your looks and get better results.

But this is just on average, as I'm sure you all have heard of Andrej Pejic, Bill Kaulitz and Stav Strashko. I can name more like Stas Fedyanin or this model from Spain Jesus Benitez Valvidieso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a87kP0w8QE8

They are good examples of androgyny.

[seanmuscle]

Ok I can agree with that, but also it is much more mainstream (among younger generations) and is not looked down upon as hard as in western countries. Although tell my grandparents that I Cd and I would be called a neko, gei, Okama, nothing as nice as josou. I would probably lose my first born rights to land as well. Tokyois very progressive in terms of cities so you won't see the bias as say in Kosaka. The elders though definately have issues outside of the norms... But I digress.
Back to OP.
Yes, Asians do have to work at it also, I can't plop a dress on and be construed as a girl in Japan or the US, from the neck down, in the US, probably, when I had long headbanger multicolored hair and clubbing, I got my butt grabbed on more than one occasion, and when they saw my face they were like, dude, sorry thought u were my girlfriends friend or something equally lame. In Japan, I would really have to work at doing a phenominal makeup job, which i cant do, since I would be considered tall by Japanese standards. 5'6" full Japanese.

Well 5 6 is about the height of the average girl in america so you would blend in perfectly

[ReineD]

Ok I can agree with that, but also it is much more mainstream (among younger generations) and is not looked down upon as hard as in western countries. Although tell my grandparents that I Cd and I would be called a neko, gei, Okama, nothing as nice as josou. I would probably lose my first born rights to land as well. Tokyois very progressive in terms of cities so you won't see the bias as say in Kosaka. The elders though definately have issues outside of the norms... But I digress.
Back to OP.

Yes, this too. People think there is a huge difference between how the CDing is viewed, in Japan or other places and North America. But there is not much difference. Here too, the younger or more urban people are more open to it than the older generations or people who live in smaller towns. And even though there may be tolerance among younger people who are not part of the lifestyle, all this changes when it comes to choosing someone to marry or to hire for a job. It's easier to accept a lifestyle that is unlike your own as long as it is arm's length.

I also agree about your height. You would blend in the US, but you still have to work at it to blend in Japan since the women by comparison are so much smaller.

Another consideration that my SO pointed out to me: it is more difficult for any person of a given ethnicity to tell the very subtle gendered differences - the tell-tale signs such as the jaw or brow shape, subtle differences in profiles, etc - in any ethnicity that is not their own. For example, a Japanese person might not be able to tell as easily whether a Western man in a wig and makeup who blends fairly well is not a woman as easily as Western people, and vice versa. This is natural since we all have much more intimate knowledge about the facial features of the people that we have all around us and that we grew up with.

[Tara D. Rose]

As with anything, it is the most passable that put up their videos on youtube, that have web sites, that work in night clubs, etc, but you're still looking at a few thousand compared to the millions of men who would not be able to pass at all. Also, the beautiful lady-boys are young. Young Western men can get away with a lot more than a middle-aged Western man, just think Justin Bieber and picture him with a wig on.

So it's all relative.

I agree with you there ReineD. It does seem that here in America when we see all of the Asian lady boys as they call them there, are very young. A lot of them look like 15 to 18 year old girls. Not grown women, but young girls. To me though, most of them look under legal age, for the U.S. I'd like to see some examples of Asians in the 50 plus range. When I was 20 years old, I was mistaken for a girl many times and people guessed my age to be around 15.

[Nicole Erin]

You have to wonder if Asians think that us Westerners pull off "femme" easier?

[missmars]

Asian people usually more hate cding.

[Ezekiel]

Asian people usually more hate cding.

Are you sure about this? I've seen through the web many shows that have or revolve about crossdressing, more youngsters sport androgynous looks and clothes, specially in the music industry. The Japanese have visual kei fashion and some bands take it to the extreme, and I'm aware that anime is full of crossdressing too. I know you are Korean I see the location in your profile, probably you are talking from experience, but what makes you think eastern asians (because I imagine you refer to them since you are in that area) hate crossdressing more compared to Americans or Europeans?

[cassexy]

well i disagree, i am an asian and not all asians who cross dress are beautiful, like that there are some who always look like girls

[Ezekiel]

well i disagree, i am an asian and not all asians who cross dress are beautiful, like that there are some who always look like girls

Well you are Indian, which means you are talking about south asians? and I imagine you are caucasian from an anthropological standpoint like most Indians, so there it would be pretty much like in Europe regarding the issue of passing / being androgynous. I think the thread revolves arround eastern asians, and to an extent south-eastern asians (Thai, Malay, Filipinos). Am I correct?

[AllisontheGoddess]

asian guys may "get away" with things easier because of their small frames and fine features but they still have to work at it like the rest of us. They cannot just slide into a dress, wig and makeup and automatically become a woman. We all know there is way more to it than that. ;):)

this ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Ciara09]

I see a lot of Asian people, male and female, everyday because I live in a city that's 30% Asian and my wife and many of my friends and coworkers are Asian. I don't think Asian men appear more feminine in general but I think they have less facial hair, that's pretty much it. The height difference isn't really that dramatic, I'm 5'7" and most of the Asian guys I know are around my height or slightly taller.

Personally, I have always found Asian women to be attractive and feminine, but that's always in the eye of the beholder, because I've had this discussion with my friend and he adamantly disagreed with me and said Asian women are less feminine than Caucasians cause they're not typically as curvy. But I have always liked small thin women with long dark hair so Asians tend to fit that mold.

That said, I do think Asian crossdressers often present better than whites but it might just be my own biases for what I think constitutes a feminine appearance. I also think that Westerners tend to fetishize Eastern appearance and behaviors, I guess you could call it exoticism, so that could play a role.

[Jenni Yumiko]

[QUOTE=Ciara09;3122026]I see a lot of Asian people, male and female, everyday because I live in a city that's 30% Asian and my wife and many of my friends and coworkers are Asian. I don't think Asian men appear more feminine in general but I think they have less facial hair, that's pretty much it./QUOTE]

We have very little hair, in fact I have never seen a pure with chest hair.

[seanmuscle]

I see a lot of Asian people, male and female, everyday because I live in a city that's 30% Asian and my wife and many of my friends and coworkers are Asian. I don't think Asian men appear more feminine in general but I think they have less facial hair, that's pretty much it. The height difference isn't really that dramatic, I'm 5'7" and most of the Asian guys I know are around my height or slightly taller.

Personally, I have always found Asian women to be attractive and feminine, but that's always in the eye of the beholder, because I've had this discussion with my friend and he adamantly disagreed with me and said Asian women are less feminine than Caucasians cause they're not typically as curvy. But I have always liked small thin women with long dark hair so Asians tend to fit that mold.

That said, I do think Asian crossdressers often present better than whites but it might just be my own biases for what I think constitutes a feminine appearance. I also think that Westerners tend to fetishize Eastern appearance and behaviors, I guess you could call it exoticism, so that could play a role.

Well said. Asian men have less secondary male characteristics so they pass more easily. There is also less sexual dimorphism between the sexes in asian people.

[seanmuscle]

[QUOTE=Ciara09;3122026]I see a lot of Asian people, male and female, everyday because I live in a city that's 30% Asian and my wife and many of my friends and coworkers are Asian. I don't think Asian men appear more feminine in general but I think they have less facial hair, that's pretty much it./QUOTE]

We have very little hair, in fact I have never seen a pure with chest hair.

lol You probably look amazing! Asian guys always look so pretty

[Ezekiel]

We have very little hair, in fact I have never seen a pure with chest hair.

Same, I've never seen a Chinese with chest hair. The contrary to mediterranean caucasians in this sense. Arabs, Iberians, Berbers and Indians usually have lots of chest hair. In this case I'm fortunate as I have no chest hair myself, but my legs on the other hand can look like a forest...

[carbonara]

Same, I've never seen a Chinese with chest hair. The contrary to mediterranean caucasians in this sense. Arabs, Iberians, Berbers and Indians usually have lots of chest hair. In this case I'm fortunate as I have no chest hair myself, but my legs on the other hand can look like a forest...

I have to disagree. Having been through the army. I've seen my share of naked hairy Asian males, chest hair and all. And as others have posted. Size is all relative. If we have small guys, then the girls are even smaller! Especially when it comes to shoes, all the Main Street shops go up to a max of a size 8 or 9 only ;(

[Ceri Anne]

When I was in Japan, I picked up a couple "girly" magazines out of a vending machine. One was normal Japanese girls, the other (we couldn't read either) just had a different feel to it. After much study and sharing them, one guy said......these are Philipean Lady Boys............as said above, the finer features and smaller statures do make stunning CDs, but I have seen some incredible girls from all countries. Youth helps pass as beautiful girls, but the older CDs if dressing age apropriate, can be almost impossible to tell.

[mmarmstrong]

Agree with the idea that it is harder for anyone to notice the subtle queues outside their own ethnicity unless they are trained to do so.

Also agree that Asian people as a culture are shorter (both male and female) meaning an Asian MtF CD would fit into our western view of a female much easier due to their size alone.

[seanmuscle]

When I was in Japan, I picked up a couple "girly" magazines out of a vending machine. One was normal Japanese girls, the other (we couldn't read either) just had a different feel to it. After much study and sharing them, one guy said......these are Philipean Lady Boys............as said above, the finer features and smaller statures do make stunning CDs, but I have seen some incredible girls from all countries. Youth helps pass as beautiful girls, but the older CDs if dressing age apropriate, can be almost impossible to tell.

Yes its all relative. shorter height, petite bodies, finer features, less hair, means asian men pass more easily among western women. There is a fair amount of western women that are actually bigger than asian guys from what I see.

Western crossdressers tend to look like men in drag while asian crossdressers look like genetic women

[luscious]

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[reshma]

Do we, asians make better CDs? wow.. thats news !! or did you mean the south east asians and chinese?

[ReineD]

Do we, asians make better CDs? wow.. thats news !! or did you mean the south east asians and chinese?

I think they mean as seen through caucasian eyes. I hope you're not offended. Just a little ethnocentricity going on.

It's true that Japanese men (I'm not sure about other countries) are the same height or not much taller than American women. But the trouble is, the vast majority of Asian crossdressers are in their respective countries and not here, and over there the men are still taller than the women! :p

[NeKoi]

@Reshma I believe there is a generalization of Asians into eastern Asians, like you said. Asia is pretty big afterall~

@Cabonara Cudos to that~ =^o^=

Personally, I think its about how you create the look. I think there are fabulous looking CDers in the west too. Not all CDs are just guys in drag. Of course, I don't think that its possible for everyone to look like a supermodel, but yes, I think its possible to pass. Its a matter of skill and "assistance". In view of "size" I would say I've seen my fair share of extremely tall chinese ladies, possibly even taller than me; and I'm somewhat tall for a Chinese. So if you're tall, you'd just be on the minority of the demographics. And to be on the brighter side, taller usually means longer legs, which I doubt is ever a bad thing~ XD

[reshma]

Agree, south east asians east asians, middle east asians..north east asians... asians !!! lol well, most asians are in the height group of 5"2 - 5"11 ... and when compared to western standards, are less taller.. and of course, body mass.. but its the south east asians that pass easily.. the chinese too.. indians to an extend.. ive seen pretty pakistani crossdressers and it was tough to tell the difference.. lets wait for afghans too ;) well, yeah, compared to the europeans and americans, asians are tiny and passable.. god bless them.. let them all wear skirts and grow prettier:D ( no racial pun intended ).

[seanmuscle]

I think they mean as seen through caucasian eyes. I hope you're not offended. Just a little ethnocentricity going on.

It's true that Japanese men (I'm not sure about other countries) are the same height or not much taller than American women. But the trouble is, the vast majority of Asian crossdressers are in their respective countries and not here, and over there the men are still taller than the women! :p

Ya I agree Reine. But asians have less sexual dimorphism. So although its a bit difficult for asian men to pass amongst asian women they still would have a much easier time compared to western men passing amongst western women.

Just look on the board here, there are a lot of CDs over 6 foot tall with bulky frames, weighing over 185. While asian men tend to be taller than asian women but the body structure is not as differentiated between the sexes

[ReineD]

Ya I agree Reine. But asians have less sexual dimorphism.

Not to people who grow up surrounded by people who share their ethnicity. See my last paragraph in post #36. This not only applies to physiological facial traits, but to the expression of emotions as well.

[seanmuscle]

Not to people who grow up surrounded by people who share their ethnicity. See my last paragraph in post #36. This not only applies to physiological facial traits, but to the expression of emotions as well.

Reine lets say there was a group of western crossdressers and western women. And likewise a group of asian crossdressers and asian women. And you ask a group of asian people to pick out the men in both groups. The asian people would have a much easier time weeding out the western men then weeding out the asian men. Do you agree?

[ReineD]

Reine lets say there was a group of western crossdressers and western women. And likewise a group of asian crossdressers and asian women. And you ask a group of asian people to pick out the men in both groups. The asian people would have a much easier time weeding out the western men then weeding out the asian men. Do you agree?

No.

If each group is looking at a middle aged crossdresser or someone who is particularly macho looking in the other ethnic group (and make no mistakes ... asian men look macho too, compared to asian women), both groups will be able to tell easily. But, if each group is looking at a younger male on whom the effect of a lifetime of testosterone hasn't taken hold, the group that will better be able to tell that he is a male will be the group who shares his ethnicity. This goes both ways.

[DaphneGrey]

Perhaps you might think about what Asian crossdressers face on a daily basis. Having traveled quite extensively through Asia I can tell you that they don't have it easy. They may be smaller in stature and have less hair and be prettier physically. However in the sense of society (their society) It is much harder to live with and deal with being a cross dresser. To give you an Idea, in Japan society is so ultra conformist that if a woman wears lipstick that isn't in fashion, her office mates wont include her in ordering lunch. Imagine a crossdresser or trans woman in the same society. I am not sure being a crosssdresser is not any easier if you are Asian! I have a good friend who is Chinese, she lives in NYC. I was giving her a ride home one evening and innocently enough I said "you Asian queens have it so easy" There is a lot that I have had said and done in my life that I am not proud of. There is only only one thing in my life that I am ashamed of. That statement! I can't describe the look on her face, she was hurt. I was ashamed, it was easy to be superficial and think how lucky she is to be petite and hairless. But she in fact had suffered much more than I had. Lost much more than I had to be who she is and live her life. I didn't loose my family when I came out. She did! So perhaps she blends better than I do and the public notices her less. They don't notice her at all. She however goes home alone and has nobody in her life when the clothes come off. She was disowned by her family and lost her wife. This life is easy on nobody!

I am just saying!!!!!

[seanmuscle]

No.

If each group is looking at a middle aged crossdresser or someone who is particularly macho looking in the other ethnic group (and make no mistakes ... asian men look macho too, compared to asian women), both groups will be able to tell easily. But, if each group is looking at a younger male on whom the effect of a lifetime of testosterone hasn't taken hold, the group that will better be able to tell that he is a male will be the group who shares his ethnicity. This goes both ways.

I still think western and asian people regard asian crossdressers to be more passable and beautiful. Even on this board the asian cds tend to be most passable. The angie girl, and carbonara and allison is an example.

[Swottie]

The average asian guy is about 5'3 -5'6 and weighs 110-145 so that is about the same height and build as the average american woman. Theres a reason why asian crossdressers can shop in the normal womens section and have no problem finding clothes and shoes.

I think the average is at least a couple of inches taller, I'm 5'7" and one of the shortest amongst my group of asian friends. I do have small frame and hands though, so finding UK size 10/12 clothes and size 8 shoes isn't too difficult.

On the other hand, while I'm not very hairy by western standards, I do have deep men's eye sockets and prominent adam's apple. So yes build wise, we might be easier to pass, but I think look wise it's down to individuals.

[ReineD]

I still think western and asian people regard asian crossdressers to be more passable and beautiful. Even on this board the asian cds tend to be most passable. The angie girl, and carbonara and allison is an example.

OK. Not to be rude, but you've heard of ignorant people who say, "To me, all the people of such and such a race look alike". This is someone who makes sweeping statements out of ethnocentricity and ignorance, because obviously all the people belonging to "such and such a race" can tell each other apart!

You say that asian CDers are prettier because you're focusing just on the pretty boys that you've seen, and applying this sweeping statement to everyone else in that ethnic group. Go live in Japan for awhile and then come back and say that most Japanese men could pass. lol

Really, young, attractive Japanese men make gorgeous CDers, just as young, attractive, caucasian men do. Macho looking Japanese men would have a hard time passing just like macho looking caucasian men. Japanese people can read an attractive japanese CDer better than caucasians can, and caucasian people can read an attractive caucasian CDer better than the Japanese can.

[Janie {3]

I'm with you, Karen. Any day of the week.

[Aylineira]

This thread has over 4k views! So OK I'll throw in my 2 cents! I'm Asian as well and I don't think I'm easily passable in this western world. I will admit that buying dresses and shoes are easier since they are readily available in my size. However, if I wanted to pass it would take just as much effort and time (I believe) as some of the other non-Asians for them to pass. My wife always says that no matter what, I still look like a woman's soccer player with a dress on. Which I suppose is better than some, but as some of the other posters here have pointed out, since we are generally smaller in stature in comparison to the western world it would just *seem* easier. As another poster pointed out, even the Asian women are generally smaller in stature than the Asian men are... how can I compete with that??

[IngeInCO]

I think they mean as seen through caucasian eyes. I hope you're not offended. Just a little ethnocentricity going on.

It's true that Japanese men (I'm not sure about other countries) are the same height or not much taller than American women. But the trouble is, the vast majority of Asian crossdressers are in their respective countries and not here, and over there the men are still taller than the women! :p

Actually the average Japanese man is 5'7 compared to the average USm woman at 5'4. Younger Japanese are taller than that avg.

[KateSpade83]

I'm fascinated with asian ladyboys a lot. When I was in the Philippines my last vacation I saw a few pretty ones, and one worked in a call center... He came out of a crowded mens bathroom and no one was bothered by him. In the Philippines ladyboys are somewhat common and are accepted somewhat, so if I lived there I would go around dressed up more often... Maybe I'd go around as a ladyboy too, - I'd just us my male voice when out in drag.

I also look into asian Craigslist ads from ladyboys, and some of them are really beautiful. Unfortunately they are prostitutes looking for good money from a foreigner. Manila Criagslist is full of them.

And for me being asian, it certainly helped in my passability, as I'm the perfect height for crossdressing at 5' 4" = the size of the avg american woman. Plus my shoe size isn't too large at size 9 to 9.5 M.

But there are many beautiful and passable crossdressers who are other races too, white, hispanic, black... and some of them are on this forum.

[Angie G]

Yes they are Gina.:hugs:
Angie

[seanmuscle]

OK. Not to be rude, but you've heard of ignorant people who say, "To me, all the people of such and such a race look alike". This is someone who makes sweeping statements out of ethnocentricity and ignorance, because obviously all the people belonging to "such and such a race" can tell each other apart!

You say that asian CDers are prettier because you're focusing just on the pretty boys that you've seen, and applying this sweeping statement to everyone else in that ethnic group. Go live in Japan for awhile and then come back and say that most Japanese men could pass. lol

Really, young, attractive Japanese men make gorgeous CDers, just as young, attractive, caucasian men do. Macho looking Japanese men would have a hard time passing just like macho looking caucasian men. Japanese people can read an attractive japanese CDer better than caucasians can, and caucasian people can read an attractive caucasian CDer better than the Japanese can.


Asian men actually tend to look more youthful than western guys even into old age which also helps in their passability.

Reine its the same thing with your height. The average height for american women is like 5 foot 5. You are 5 foot 9. There are people like you who deviate from the average. But you are not the majority.

Its the same with asian men. There may be some 6 ft, 200 pound asian guys but on average asian men have the height, build and proportions of an american woman. Hence why many of the asian CDs on this board look very passable and can find clothes and shoes in any american store.

[Rachel Morley]

I may be off, but perhaps it is harder for Caucasians to read an Asian CD whereas someone who is Asian can pick them off right away.


I personally think that it's more about our unfamiliarity with Asian masculine and feminine traits and we more easily mistake their features as feminine. My guess is that it's obvious to them in their culture as it is here and that they would have to really work at it or even do HRT to get a passable face.

This is what I think too. I think Awayshave and Cassandra "hit the nail on the head".

[Lorileah]

seems we are covering the same ground over and over here.

[ReineD]

seems we are covering the same ground over and over here.

I agree. :p
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