Super masculine

[andrea lace]

I have read a lot on this forum as to understand and educate myself and I have noticed that a lot of CDers were in the armed forces in one form or the other. I was a soldier when I was a young man and enjoyed my time in the Army. I did enjoy a little fetish dressing before I joined up and then put it to the back of my mind and got on with Army life. My question is do a lot of cross dressers go for macho masculine careers in order to repress or hide the urge to act/dress feminine.

[Stephanie47]

I think you have to break it down by age groups. There are a lot of Cd-ers in their sixties (+/-) because Uncle Sam put out his big hook and dragged you into the services. When I was in the army I was in the infantry. Just about everyone in my company was either a draftee or enlistee acknowledging they were going to get drafted. I found the military environment in the 1960's did not afford opportunity to express any sexual identity. For the most part, if you were not married, it was almost impossible to live off base. You lived in barracks with scores of other guys and absolutely no privacy. If you were fortunate, maybe you were in a two man room. It was probably easier for a homosexual male or female to express their sexuality off base because it did not involve hiding a wardrobe and finding a place to change. Personally, I found it was a matter of out of sight, out of mind. Back then there were so few women in the military, especially combat arms, to make you think about anything feminine.

I wonder what the experiences are in the different decades. Now, in my area, many single males reside in off post apartments, drive cars, and, have the opportunity to do anything they want.

[alwayshave]

I too was in the Army, although I hated it. I believe that my reasons at the time were service to country and not to repress any need to dress. My career is not particularly masculine, so I'm not overcompensating there either.

[Jenniferathome]

I don't think there is any real correlation. I am sure in some cases, repression is the reason. Rather, one can not assume that because someone is a cross dresser, they would not be masculine.

I was never in the armed forces but anyone who knows me would define me a very masculine. It's just who I am.

[BillieJoEllen]

When I was much younger I identified with myself as being a girl. I did all kinds of girly things and entertained girly thoughts and attitudes. When I finally realized that my father didn't like the way I was I tried changing myself into the traditional 'boy' norm. I always wanted to please him. I endeavored to do 'boy' things whenever and whereever possible. That included working on machines, football, wrestling, boxing and other sports but I still felt like I was a girl. I was drafted into the army after failing miserably at college. I always had feminine thoughts and tried to hide them from others whenever I could or needed to.

I crossdressed since the age of eleven and missed doing that when I was in the service. When I got out of the service I pursued a career in a very 'manly' occupation just to please my father. When I was alone I pursued CDing.

[Gretchen_To_Be]

Andrea, I think it's true in my case. I had such strong feelings when dressing in my mom's things--yet I did not feel attracted to men. When I was with girls I was confused because my attraction for them was a blend of sexual and envy for how they looked and what they wore. I joined the Army and found some peace in the "structured masculinity". I suppose part of it was to prove I was macho, at least on the outside.

[Genny B]

I also joined to try and get my fathers pride. That was a waste I think. But I did meet my wife while in the military and stayed untill retirement. I was trying to live the life everyone told me I should. It has set me up for the rest of my life so there is no anger or thoughts I would do it different if I could. I did not join to become more man or anything like that. And although most of my friends from that time frame would disown me if they knew this side of me, I did meet some great people!

[SandraInHose]

I am a pretty masculine man, and I don't believe any of my manly traits are because I'm trying to cover up or offset my CDing, etc.

Have lifted weights since I was 21 (51 now), played and coached ice hockey since high school, usually drive 4-wheel-drive pickups/suv's, worked many construction jobs, and a few other things that are definitely masculine. That's why my wife was so floored when she learned of my CDing.

Bottom line... my feminine side has had no influence whatsoever (positive or negative) on who I am or what I do in life.

[andrea lace]

Me too Shibumi when I was younger I would do all sorts of things to try and be macho. I have grown up a bit since, now I am happy, I can dress and be myself

[PretzelGirl]

I went in because I was flat broke. I wasn't overly masculine and I wasn't a hero. I just needed a career. One of the best decisions I ever made.

[Lynn Marie]

I went Airborne during the Cuban Missle Crises in October of 1962. I thought we were going to war, and I wanted to be a hero. Figured the girls would be impressed! We didn't go to war and I wasn't all that much of a hero. I was a Communications Chief in a line infantry company. I hated the army, but loved my job. I had lots of responsibility, made pretty good money after 2 years, and had a brand new custom chopped and painted 1965 BSA Hornet barely street legal.

That bike got me a lot more attention than the army. Traffic tickets too. I got out in 1965 and just after that people were avoiding the army and Vietnam and spitting on soldiers. My army experience in communications helped me get work and I had a carreer of over 40 years in the Telecommunications Industry. It was great fun. Loved just about every minute of it. Then I started CDing, and now I'm retired with a great wardrobe!

Life is good being a CD.

[Beth Wilde]

I'm still in the Royal Air Force after 20 years. Hasn't stopped me dressing though, just given me an income to buy clothes, wigs and makeup with :)

Admittedly when I joined up, being gay was illegal and adding CD'ing in would have been much worse..... Nowadays everyone knows I am gay and most people have met Beth so life is good!!

[Teri Ray]

I don't believe the urge to dress and the urge to enter into some extreme macho job have anything in common. If you have a desire to dress its just that. What job opportunities you choose are not a factor. Just my opinion.

[dana 1]

I had a job that made me draft deferred in 1969, my family said this is good really good I did not have to go to Vietnam. But I hated the job, one day I stopped by the recruiter and asked what they had, they told my about a special outfit but 99 percent of the guys go to Vietnam, I signed up that day, after the service I had another macho job for 32 years, fem feelings never entered my mind in either decision.

[Michelle M]

I have always taken very masculine work roles in construction and engineering. I don't think I've tried to repress the crossdressing (if so it hasn't worked yet), but I have always had feminine mannerisms and I know I force these to the back when I'm working. It seems like a personality shift, but I think it's just a learned presentation.

[Leah Lynn]

It's true in my case. Into the navy right out of high school, had to be the man the family insisted I be (instead of that dirty little pervert). Spent time attached to Marine units, did a couple covert missions with SEALs. Everything to be what they wanted. No more.

Leah

[Tess]

I was repelled by macho jobs. The military was a fact of life during the era of the draft and even though I enlisted in the Air Force it wouldn't have happened without the threat of the draft. As it turned out it was a great adventure and one of the best decisions of my life. None of it had anything to do with being a CDer.

[JBPerry]

I am a current active Marine.....had nothing to do with hiding my CDing

[andrea lace]

thanks for all your comments every one has been very helpfull

[shadowline]

I was 11 bravo 20, that means you and your weapon are married. I went because I was "invited" It was all macho for sure and we all went to the off base hooker district. One day I made the mistake of trying on one of the hookers panties, she giggled and went along with it, but she also told all her co workers and I think word got back to base tho nobody ever said anything. I was a panty lover since boyhood but back then I still had not explored my bi side. I've got the internet to thank for that.

[mikiSJ]

I was in the Navy in 1965-67 and on a carrier there are many places to dress!

The only thing masculine i did afterwards is race motocross. I don't think I did it to show off my "maleness", I just enjoyed the competition and athleticism required.

I went on to get a degree in accounting (not masculine). I was a homebuilder for a while, but did not use any tools, just pointed my finger. Got to wear plaid (not overly masculine). I got a MS in IT and worked in IT consulting for while (not masculine) and finished up my career in land development (only masculine if I was wading through mud or climbing a hill to survey a parcel!)

[Ozark]

91A 1971-1973 130th General Hospital, Nuremburg Germany.

"I'm not a real crossdresser, I just like to wear women's clothes."

[Beverley Sims]

I do not think so I was a serviceman and dressed regularly.

[Samantha_Smile]

I'm just stepping in here to **** the thread up.
I'm a nurse on A&E.

Cool theory though :p

[Kate Simmons]

I never did anything to make myself appear to be super masculine Hon. Everything happens for a reason and even though I have done things that appear to be typically "masculine", they have made me into the person I am today.:)