Anyone else want FFS more than GRS?

[pickles]

My feelings towards my boy.parts has always been "Eh...."

However, I hate HATE my face...totally no chance of passing with it, ever. Anyone else feel the same way?

[Emily_Safford]

Logically reasonable assumption since the face is always presented...and the the rest is generally hideable ;)

I have a horrible chin...and nose...and would love to "fix" them.

Emi ~.^

[pickles]

Chin, brow and acne scars here.....thankfully my brow is mainly soft tissue so easier to fix.

[Aprilrain]

The first thing I spent money on was FFS, there were a couple of reasons for that. One reason was that I hated the masculine features of my face. The second reason was logistical, it was too early in my RLE to have SRS. I wanted to give myself the best possible quality of life during transition and beyond, everyone sees your face! I knew before I went full time that I would do FFS first, I figured I'd do SRS and BA at the same time but I revised my plan and had BA before SRS, I'm glad I did because dealing with recovery from one surgery at a time is quite enough for me.

[Laurie Ann]

I am in the camp of GRS first then any facial feature issues.

[kellycan27]

I think FFS first would be a better way to go also.... Unless of couse one plans on running around without pants. :heehee:

[Ann Louise]

I'm at the beginning of an HRT program, and, being somewhat older, my plumbing is not the foremost factor in my thinking. I've therefore regarded FFS as being of higher priority, and to that end am attempting to get on as a patient with Dr. Ousterhout's office in San Francisco. He is reportedly a true craftsman and artist of FFS, and I'm thinking there is one heck of a waiting list.

[Marleena]

I think FFS first would be a better way to go also.... Unless of couse one plans on running around without pants. :heehee:

Lol...that makes choosing easier.:)

[EnglishRose]

Eh, I'm 6'6 and there's certainly no leg feminization surgery around :) With that in mind, most people seem to accept my long face and big nose, so I got lucky. GRS and probably Breast Augmentation for me.

[Barbara Ella]

At my age, I am not sure that FFS would do anything as everyone always says old men and old women always tend to look alike any how, and no one really looks at an old woman anyway, unless she is dressed as a 20 something...lol. And running around without pants at my age would send them screaming away in droves regardless of any surgeries.

But yes, FFS would be first, if anything.

Barbara

[Georgie]

Would love a nose job, freaking hate my nose

[ChelseaErtel]

Oh yes. Even if you don't need much done, just enough can make all the difference. It is what you present 100% of the time to the public (I hope).

[Angela Campbell]

Makes sense to me as the face is the first thing people will notice. I too do not care much about the "plumbing" I do not hate it as some do but I do not really like it much either. I don't really think about it much. It is not the topic of my attention. I prefer to first work on my face....electrolosis mostly, then hair, but that will take a long time. After that I will see what I will do next....probably HRT.

[StephanieC]

Definitely FFS. My netherworld is of little concern to me.
-stephani

[TeresaL]

i would have FFS first, because presenting in social life is important. Our faces are seen long before our genitals. (Maybe they never see my genitals, except at airports).

[Gretchen_To_Be]

Yes. FFS, then some lipo and permanent hair removal. Then maybe I'd look less like a cage fighter. About the only remotely feminine thing about me are maybe my legs.

[Deborah_UK]

What strikes me through this thread is that it appears that other people's perceptions are more important than one's own. I transitioned (and had GRS) for myself, no-one else. The only time I see my face is when I look in the mirror. I used to see and touch "his" bits everytime I went to the bathroom, had a bath, had a shower etc. that really made me struggle. I would still have had the same internal issues with my body no matter how much FFS might have made me appear to others. Now that I'm post-op my body finally matches my mind, ok so I make an ugly woman, but a woman nonetheless.

[Ann Louise]

My desire to appear pleasing and more feminine is directed at my sense of self-satisfaction, and to not embarrass my wife or loved ones when we're out together in social situations. It's a personal preference, and my perception of myself that matters to me, not what others think of me.

[Aprilrain]

What strikes me through this thread is that it appears that other people's perceptions are more important than one's own.

Having my gender identity reflected back at me by society (and the mirrior) was more important to me than having the correct sex organ, especially at a time when I couldn't get SRS anyway (prior to one year RLE). I don't know what you look like (maybe you're gorgeous!) nor do I feel what you feel when I look in the mirror or have some one call me sir, maybe you don't need FFS, maybe you see a woman staring back at you when you look in the mirror, maybe you let it roll off your back when a waiter calls you sir or a group of kids laughs when you walk by or that by far worst reaction of all, patronizing sympathy from "well meaning" woman but those things made me literally want to die. My penis? Yeah I'll get around to that when the time comes (that time has arrived BTW now I'm just waiting until next year when I'll have the money). Speaking of money I totally understand if someone dosen't have enough money for FFS and SRS or if you live n a country where your health care system will pay for SRS and not FFS but niether of those situations applied to me.

[kimberly ann487]

I intend to get facial surgery, brow and face lift, after facial hair removal. SRS will be the final step, if I have any money left. That's just me, everyone has to do what is best or right for them.

[Saffron]

Each one has her own problems and needs. It's perfectly normal to do FFS/BA before SRS. I've been considering FFS until I realized what my real problem was, so that's why I'm just doing the SRS, I don't care nobody is gonna see it, I'm doing transition not to look good but to feel good. And just to be clear, that doesn't mean I consider FFS a vanity or cosmetic surgery at all.

[DaniG]

Eh, I'm 6'6 and there's certainly no leg feminization surgery around :) With that in mind, most people seem to accept my long face and big nose, so I got lucky. GRS and probably Breast Augmentation for me.

That gives me some hope! I'm pre-everything. At 6'8", I didn't plan on ever passing. People have stared at me since I reached my full height. Now my chances have improved from non-existant to very slim! :)

[Jodi Anne]

FFS for me before BA, I have no plans for SRS. am still early in my journey and have started HRT so I have a bit of time before either of these.

[Frances]

I did not need FFS, but if I did, I would have had it before SRS.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

FFS was my entry point..

I did the facital surgery 15 months prior to SRS.

it wasn't that i "Cared what others thought", it was, as April says, getting my gender reflected back at me in a very authentic and natural way... i'm 6'2..the surgery did more than i could have ever hoped....

[SuzanneS]

I'm going to ask without looking it up.... I know what FFS, GRS, SRS, HRT, and RLE is....but what is "BA"?
It's probably going to be a few years before I ever get anything done, although I would love to start some HRT soon....but we'll see...

Suzanne

[DaniG]

BA is Breast Augmentation.

[SuzanneS]

Oh, duh! Sorry....that one is obvious now....

Suzanne

[vikki2020]

Absolutely! Pretty sure I can live without GRS, but getting a more femme face would be all good!

[kellivoegele]

From what I can see in the picture, your face doesn't seem all that bad. If you are dressed like a woman and act like one, I don't think you will have a problem passing for one. If FFS is what you want I say go for it. From what I've read, you can't go back once you've had the GRS. But FFS you can. It might be a better idea to figure out if you really want to be a woman. But if you really don't like your face I say get the FFS, your profile pic might just be really good. But you certainly don't look bad.

^Saffron
"Each one has her own problems and needs. It's perfectly normal to do FFS/BA before SRS. I've been considering FFS until I realized what my real problem was, so that's why I'm just doing the SRS, I don't care nobody is gonna see it, I'm doing transition not to look good but to feel good. And just to be clear, that doesn't mean I consider FFS a vanity or cosmetic surgery at all."

From looking at your profile pic, I can tell you that you do not need FFS. You look very feminine and if I passed you on the street or at the mall I would never guess.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

The profile pic is attractive, but she will not pass as a woman.. pictures lie...a moment in a mall is not a lifetime at a job

ffs is sometimes misunderstood as cosmetic surgery that makes us prettier or look better...its a medical procedure based on mathematics that changes the bones in your face to female proportions...you literally mathematically appear female
the starting point matters ..sometimes we end up more masculine than hoped, but then are surprised to find easy and effortless acceptance as almost everyone we interact with initially genders us as female...its quite amazing..

of course its a personal choice to get srs or ffs...i know as many gals that got ffs as srs first... but i must add that people that recommend no ffs because they don't view it as neccessary for themselves are not realizing what it can accomplish...

kind words about attractive profile pics will not help when a person is constantly misgendered

if anyone is considering these surgeries on the basis of evaluating if you can go back afterwards all i can say is...yikes

[Aprilrain]

I think that's right Kaitlyn.

Also I think that sometimes people think you have to have a chiseled, cleft chin, Neanderthal brow face to be read as male. That simply not true most men don't look like Fabio but we still unmistakable recognize them as male, it dosen't take much. Masculine facial features really stand out in profile which is how most people will see a person but that is not how that person usually sees themselves so they often don't realize how masculine their face is.

[LeaP]

if anyone is considering these surgeries on the basis of evaluating if you can go back afterwards all i can say is...yikes

It's a good way to wind up looking like Voldemort ...

[Saffron]

pictures lie...a moment in a mall is not a lifetime at a job

Exactly.


And it's not only about passing. There are people with a strong dysphoria about their faces that can be fixed with FFS.

[morgan51]

I feel as April stated I'm in complete agreement with her. I'm saving and waiting for now 7 mo. rle. behind me though and loving it.