"female Orgasm"

[celeste26]

One of the differences between a TS and CD is the type of orgasm they are seeking. A female orgasm is a far different thing than the typical male one because it is not centered on a single part of the anatomy but is an all over thing. It is many times bigger than a male orgasm and it is not over in an instant but hangs around for awhile too.

I am not sure exactly when this experience becomes available to the TS along the process, but it signals a new level of living that shows just how much change they have gone through.

How many of us here have come to experience this "female orgasm" and how far along the path have you come already. Does anyone know for sure how soon this might be experienced? I just recently had one and look forward to many more in the future I have been missing something this great for decades and now I just might end up doing it far more frequently.

[FurPus63]

I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on HRT for exactly 11 months and about 3 months ago I began to have the best orgasms! My whole body shakes, quivers and tingles. It's so cool! I definitely feel it's the result of all I'm going through as my body, brain and mind are changing. On a side note: HRT is awesome! My entire way of thinking and feeling is so much more feminine than ever! Even my sexual orientation has reversed. I always thought of myself as being mostly attracted to women, now (even though I still think I'm bi) I am so attracted to men, it's unreal. I feel like an adolescent girl who's "totally boy-crazy."

Back to the orgasim thing. It is cool, but it takes forever! What used to take a few minutes now can take up to an hour. I have to really relax, concentrate and focus to make it happen. That's been my experience. Thanks for bringing up this totally cool topic. Hope the monitors don't delete it.

Paulette

[Wildaboutheels]

"It is many times bigger than a male orgasm and it is not over in an instant but hangs around for awhile too."

Debateable. ^^^ Like most things.


Two things are absolutely clear. It's MUCH easier for [almost all] males to have them [than females] and the female O lasts longer.

Evolution at work finding the simplest, easiest, most effective and best way to keep Homo Sapiens reproducing.

[kellycan27]

They're even better when administered by someone else. :heehee:

[arbon]

They're even better when administered by someone else. :heehee:

I want one!!!!!!!!!

[LilSissyStevie]

According to the science, there is not much difference.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/body-sense/201004/male-and-female-orgasm-not-so-different

Don't shoot the messenger!

[Lisa Gerrie]

All I can contribute is that when I have a really-rockin' "male orgasm" it is absolutely a long-lasting, whole body experience with tingling in my arms and legs and a complete loss of muscle control. I'm TG not TS so I may not be entitled to an opinion about something I will never experience, but I'd cautiously suggest that some people might not experience peak sexual arousal and release until after they are semi-comfortable with their own sexuality and gender identity.

Whatever the reality, I'm glad you are experiencing better orgasms!

[Kathryn Martin]

Oh my god :roflmao: sorry, :itsok:sounds like a transgasm.

[whowhatwhen]

You're supposed to have orgasms?
:confused:

[Marleena]

Yes.. you won't go blind. I didn't.:heehee:

[kellycan27]

Marleena, you failed to mention that you need thick glasses though lol

[Marleena]

@ Kelly they're not thick! I have more work to do.lol

[sandra-leigh]

No orgasms of any kind here anymore :sad:

[celeste26]

Sandra you did not say how far along in HRT you are. Do you have any breast development?

[Jodi Anne]

Yes I also know what you are saying, it is just before what would be a normal male O seems to last about 10 - 15 seconds.
I could never understand why my wife is such a screamer, but now I also do it. Such a euphoric feeling. hope this dose not go away, as my transition has been moving very fast, even my DR. agrees with my speed. I see there is mixed experiences among us here with this so YMMV

[melissaK]

First, I have no idea what kind of O's GG's can have. Im not one, and never will be exactly like one. So I'm not going to pretend that some HRT makes me feel what a GG feels.

Second, I've been around and I like getting to O, and I have always liked my lovers to get there too. My GG partners have all been different in their responsiveness, and in what gets them to O. It looks to me like its got a lot to do with "between the ears" attitudes.

Third, I am is a MTF TS, 5 years post HRT, non op, non RLE at present. My Sex life didn't change much with early restricted dose HRT. It was enough to grow small A cup breasts and think I was managing my GD. But about 18 months ago I blew out my dosages to full transition levels and my breasts went to B cups and my erections went from being hard, to hard to find. But my O's didn't really change when I did get lucky.

Until this spring.

What happened? I came "out" in January and said i was transitioning. It was a few months before my wife would even consider sex with me even though nothing physical had changed. Again, all that between the ears stuff affected her. She declared us platonic.

And in the last month or so, she changed and let our intimacy resume some, (OMG i was so happy). And my O's are hugely different and better. They really seem to last and encompass my whole body as someone up thread said. Again, nothing physical changed, but mentally, I did. I was out. I said I was transitioning. And, I just entirely let go of that "sex as a man" thing I had clung to to get by with my sex partners my whole life.

So again, it all seems to have a big "between the ears component." Like someone else said up thread, doesn't seem like we can recognize our full orgasmic potential until we get comfortable in our own true gender identity. :)

Edit: FWIW, I identify as lesbian in orientation. I can't see this changing. Men are creepy.

And yes, it's sex, I'm pretty sure everyone gets different MPGs.

[kellycan27]

I believe ( for myself anyway) that " between the ears" is a large component. The difference that I have noticed between pre op and post op orgasms is that post op is way more fulfilling emotionally rather than physically. The physical aspects wear off rather quickly while the emotional tends to linger longer. Pre- op was more one and done while with being post.. The possibilities can go on and on at times ( trying not to be too graphic). As mentioned.. Your comfort and your comfort with your partner is also huge. While the physical differences in the male and female orgasms may be subtle, the mental is like night and day.

[Kathryn Martin]

hmmmmmm..... I know of what you speak:o

[whowhatwhen]

You failed to mention that you need thick glasses though lol

The key to having an orgasm is nearsightedness, got it!
:P

[sandra-leigh]

Sandra you did not say how far along in HRT you are. Do you have any breast development?

2 1/4 years on HRT. My breasts are on another growth cycle even now.

The closest I can get these days is pelvic tension that suddenly turns off.


The difference that I have noticed between pre op and post op orgasms is that post op is way more fulfilling emotionally rather than physically.

I picture a "Joe Btfsplk" cloud hanging over my prospects of emotional fulfillment in this matter... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fUzorZk31Ss/TQrms3nYhMI/AAAAAAAAIbw/oKVytzarQGg/s200/joebtfsplk.jpg

[whowhatwhen]

Sandra, I'm with ya on that.
Most of the time I feel nothing, and if I start it'll just shut off completely.

O Girls: Count yourselves lucky :P

[arbon]

All this talk of something so pleasurable. Last time for me I think it was a year or maybe a year and a half ago, and it was while I was sleeping! It was amazing, and remember it running through my whole body nothing like I ever experienced before. Did not want to wake up. Told my wife about it she was not impressed.
I think about guys, dream a little, my little fantasy - I can feel warm tingly feelings, but that's about it.

[celeste26]

Speaking of being "between your ears", I've read about so many GG's that don't experience orgasm. The incidence of "faking it" is not a myth either. I'll bet it has something to do with how a person was brought up too. Which basically means it can be learned if you want.

[whowhatwhen]

All this talk of something so pleasurable. Last time for me I think it was a year or maybe a year and a half ago, and it was while I was sleeping! It was amazing, and remember it running through my whole body nothing like I ever experienced before. Did not want to wake up. Told my wife about it she was not impressed.
I think about guys, dream a little, my little fantasy - I can feel warm tingly feelings, but that's about it.

Interesting stuff, and now I remember that the last one I had was during a dream several months ago.
My best guess is that dreams are uninhibited by all of the crap of conscious living and you're more free to enjoy things, I think.

Though for waking ones my best guess is around 5 years ago.
O_o

Kind of a kick in the arse eh?
Mind: "Check out how awesome this feels! HAHAHA! NOW WAKE UP AND NEVER EXPERIENCE IT AGAIN!"

:P

[Jodi Anne]

Some of you all are starting to scare me, not really but I just do not want it to end although they are getting further apart.

[suzy1]

According to the science, there is not much difference.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/body-sense/201004/male-and-female-orgasm-not-so-different

Don't shoot the messenger!

I’m glad you brought this up Stevie because I agree with you.
I am far too private to go into personal details but the whole body orgasm is not just for women!

[melissaK]

Some of you all are starting to scare me, not really but I just do not want it to end although they are getting further apart. Sweetie, what are you referring too ending? Erections, or sex with your wife? I am concerned because with either one it sounds like you haven't thought all these consequences out before you step into RLE or HRT. If you are in this for the purpose of getting to wear cross gender clothes, that's fine, but you aren't in the same place as TSs. Maybe I am just over reading your post.

The first consequence, poorly functioning male equipment during HRT and pre-op, should be known to you. Lots of websites discuss this. Erections will be significantly smaller, with greater risk of pain during intercourse because tissue is being stretched that hasn't been regularly stretched. And ultimately you aren't going to transition in the traditional sense without losing the external genitalia. Are you trying to keep yours? Why? I don't need to know, but you would. This would be covered in counseling time.

The second, losing sexual privileges with your wife, this ball is in your wife's court if your post transition sexual orientation is lesbian. All you can do is remember to tell her you love her, and continue to act like you're in love with her, if you are. She has to decide if a sex life with sex toys and alternate means of arousal than a warm penis are going to work for her.

But if your post transition orientation is straight, meaning you will switch desired sex partners from women to men, this ball is also in your court. You really need to decide if you can do sex with a woman without male anatomy involved. You need to decide if you can remain unfulfilled by never being held in the arms of a man, and never being tossed on a bed and ravaged. (Hey, I read some chic lit)

And a lot of girls aren't sure of their ultimate sexual orientation until post transition, when they finally let go of all social homophobia conditioning and can act consistent with their long repressed identity. Just because you learn to accept yourself as a TS, doesn't mean you also have let go of all other social moral negative programming about gays and lesbians. So, be patient with yourself, and don't promise ANYONE you will not change your sexual orientation post transition.


Sandra, I'm with ya on that. Most of the time I feel nothing, and if I start it'll just shut off completely. O Girls: Count yourselves lucky :P This is so sad, and I will count myself lucky.


Speaking of being "between your ears", I've read about so many GG's that don't experience orgasm. The incidence of "faking it" is not a myth either. I'll bet it has something to do with how a person was brought up too. Which basically means it can be learned if you want.

I agree Celeste, you would think it could be learned. And I think for most of us it can be. But, I know an exception, a very good friend, a cisgendered male, who can't perform in bed. ut he has an exceptional reason. He was severely traumatized in his youth when his Dad caught him during an act of masterbation and his Dad beat the ***k out of him. It was just part of a decade of terror his Dad inflicted upon him as a child. He's my age, and has indelible PTSD. He has been in counseling with psychiatrists and counselors for 30 years, and he married an MD. And he's still not over it. They have raised a family by adoption.

So, Celeste, maybe in the face of some things, sexual orgasm can't be learned. I think mine are really cool, and anyone who isn't fulfilled, well, its worth it to keep trying. :-)

[kellycan27]

Women fake orgasms for a variety of reasons. Sometimes in a relationship you just have to give it up whether you're feeling it or not. Sometimes my partner's urges don't coincide with mine. Sometimes he's taking way too long ( it can start to get painful after a while) .... Faking an orgasm can "expedite" things. Sometimes he's way too quick and I don't want him to feel like he " wasn't up to snuff". I don't have to have an orgasm every time. As I mentioned before... Sometimes the emotional closeness is enough for me to enjoy the experience..... Just saying :)

[Kaitlyn Michele]

the difference to me is almost totally emotional.. my libido is lower but its still there (and i'm 50 yrs old..i'm glad for this)..

[whowhatwhen]

Sometimes it's enough already and I just want to get some sleep... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlpD2Ata8kI)
Sort of relevant... Kinda.
:P

[Wildaboutheels]

Lost in the scuffle here. WHY. Why should it be so much harder for [almost] ALL females to have an orgasm than men? And usually take much longer to get there? Doen't seem very fair. According to at least one expert researcher, Os for women have evolved into a screening mechanism for women to find "better" men. Better as in more likely to make "good fathers". Makes perfect sense.

HELEN FISHER is one name to Google for those interested in the "why" of much of what we do and what drives us and often controls us.

[ReineD]

It is many times bigger than a male orgasm and it is not over in an instant but hangs around for awhile too.

I agree with some of the posters above, This statement is too broad, and it is not entirely accurate. BOTH men and women can experience either mild or intense orgasms. Mild orgasms for women consist of sometimes barely noticeable pelvic contractions while for men mild orgasms are, as you say, concentrated only in the penis.

Conversely, intense orgasms for women originate in the pelvic region but then radiate all through the body and for a slightly longer period of time. And for men, the same thing is true.

I can't post links because of our rules against graphic sexual content, but if you google descriptions for male orgasms you will find some men who most definitely say that the sensation of pleasure radiates all through the body as well.

Also, both men and women experience a refractory period (the short time immediately after orgasm when additional touch is not pleasurable), and both men and women can be multi-orgasmic. And, men can also experience internal orgasms without ejaculating which apparently (I believe the men who describe this) can be even more intense than regular orgasms.

[EnglishRose]

Endorphins aside, less mess makes transgasms better anyway :p

In all seriousness my toes tend to want to curl now. Pity that junk (as in unwanted stuff to be removed at an available opportunity) hurts when it gets hard; that isn't a problem though as it takes effort to even stimulate the little b&^$ard.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

the more you anticipate some big magic "female" orgasm you risk being disappointed...
the new equiptment is still the same, its mostly getting moved around..and so you may be surprised at how similar it feels in some ways...

the nerves do get moved, and in general those nerves end up more dispersed, so you have a much bigger area that feels good...and its very easy to make those areas feel good..
i enjoy that feeling very much

but by far FAR FAR FAR the biggest difference is that afterwards instead of feeling ashamed, you feel anything but ashamed

[kellycan27]

I believe that being able to enjoy relations in much the same was as a natal female helps to re-enforce body congruency mentally, physically and emotionally. Personally I don't see this as feeling the " same" in any way, shape or form. The new equipment weeks as advertised, orgasms ( sometimes multiple) happen. Having that female reflect back at you via relations and or how your partner responds ..... Priceless!

[Josie06]

Interesting question. I can not speak for other, especially GG's but I know what I feel. It is hard to explain but also easy. Confusing I know and confusing to me too.

Sex was never exciting for me as a male, I felt left out and lacking. I never knew how good sex could be until I meet my first boyfriend. This man, who I met only a dozen or so years ago, was amazing.

So, I guess the first part of the answer is the chemistry between him and you. Hard to explain but when it's right, you'll know it when you find it.

It was a whole new world how he made me feel having sex with him. Every inch of me tingled, every inch of me had felt a wonderful warm sensation. And he gave me many orgasms during sex and every time we had sex.

There were several mini-orgasms, as my entire body quaked and quivered under his touch and motions. All these minis built up deep inside me, down in my groin area but inside me. It felt so warm and wonderful and was accompanied by a growing wave of warmth and tingling and like mini-earthquakes in my body radiating from that spot to the top of my head and the tips of my toes. Then the most 'mind-blowing' maxi orgasm when he climaxed inside me. My eyes closed, my back arched, my body seemed to just hang in space ... a wonderful place. I don't know if it was seconds or hours but it was just so wonderful.

It felt incredible! I felt incredible!! How could this be? I felt beautiful, sexy, fulfilled and so much more ... everything over whelmed me and I didn't ever want to leave that place. I was just aware that this man had awakened something inside of me that re-affirmed who I was.

I guess the second part of the answer is your lover and his 'experience/expertise' coupled with your ability to let go and accept yourself and all that can happen.

I never knew sex could be sooooooo good! With some men I had been with before, I didn't even fake it cause it was just so bad. But this man and a number since just seem to know how to please a woman and take the time and effort to do it. I've always know I was a woman and some men can reinforce that wonderfully.

As others said, I don't believe it is "learned" it is inside us just waiting. Waiting to be awakened and so the 'right' conditions need to be present to do this. It's not easy to explain. Ah, life's not easy to explain either.

We all seem to make the same journey but on different paths. We all experience things differently. The ever elusive orgasm (wasn't that a book years ago) ... everyone hopefully finds it in their own time.

[Cheryl Ann Owens]

I can relate what a friend who transitioned has told me. She told me that as a male an O was brief as with most other males. Once she had her surgery and had to dilate she found the experience to be more intense. She is still married to her wife and tells me that orgasms are more intense and longer lasting encompassing her entire body. As an experiment my wife and I tried for me to have a non-male orgasm. We finally went on to the usual for me. During all of the stimulation I did enjoy a long lasting O that made my whole body quiver for several minutes. I can't figure it out! It just was, and it was nice!

Cheryl

[Asp]

I have never had any form of treatment, or therapy, but I do experience this feeling you are describing, usually at about 40 minutes in.

[TeresaL]

I must be doing something wrong. No O's, erections, or interest in sex has been possible since starting HRT. I went into HRT expecting for a complete shut down and I got it. My penis is nothing but a urine transport tube, and nothing more. Luckily, my wife's plumbing was removed and she has shut down sexually several years ago, and now we have matching libidos.

Before HRT though, my plumbing worked perfectly, and could sustain multiple O's before running out. I'm beginning to wonder what Viagra would do on top of HRT. But the "desire" for it has to surface, and my wife would have to be in that mood as well.

[Darla]

Wow Josie - what a description! It's fascinating that having the right sexual partner and with the right chemistry one can feel what you're describing. That's a goal to go after. So sorry that he's not around!

As to my experience, I'm totally in the camp of whatever turns you on the most is most likely to get you there best. Trying alternate ways of getting to the big O recently, and experimenting with ways that mimic my deepest fantasies about being with a guy (and with the corresponding toys) allow me orgasms like the ones you describe.

By completely letting go, not concentrating on the orgasm itself but taking a journey each time and playing the feminine role I increasingly know I'm meant to be brings me to that whole body, can't walk, I want more place. And it's also reinforces who I am, and as another poster states, that I'm completely NOT ashamed to be this way.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

Yes, great writing Josie..

I tend to like my erotic fiction to have a little more back story though..

[Ann Louise]

If I could stop biting my knuckles I'd ask how, perchance, you've come by this knowledge... No, but wait, don't tell me....

[Jorja]

Well, I was going to respond to this thread but after reading all the post, I can't get the idea of an "O" out of my mind. Now I am going to have to go take care of that. Later! :)

[TeresaL]

Hey Josie, go to the writers thread and expand your story in great detail. I need to read and experiment for a real long time. Get as graphic as you can without getting edited. If you do get edited, then PM us all.

[silverfurret]

I'm only 3 months in on hrt but I've noticed some changes already, nothing major but I've gone from having twinkling toes to my whole face going numb and my eye rolling back. nothing to crazy but a sign of great things on the horizon (it was so hard to not make a pun there).

[kellycan27]

I'm only 3 months in on hrt but I've noticed some changes already, nothing major but I've gone from having twinkling toes to my whole face going numb and my eye rolling back. nothing to crazy but a sign of great things on the horizon (it was so hard to not make a pun there).


You might be having a stroke :heehee:

[whowhatwhen]

You might be having a stroke :heehee:

Wow.
I'm all for bad puns but that really rubs one out of the park.

[kellycan27]

Come on.. Lighten up! I was kidding.

[whowhatwhen]

My pun failed!
It's not you - it's me.

[kellycan27]

NO! It was me... I totally missed it. Well played lol