Interesting interaction with a GG

[il.dso]

Yesterday I had a wonderful morning, getting all dressed up in a new business skirt suit, pantyhose, and heels. A really beautiful and feminine feeling.
Unfortunately, I had to go to work in my drab guy business suit later that day.
On my way to work, I stopped at Staples to buy a few work items.
The sales associate was a very masculine, serious, joyless GG doing all she could to outwardly hide her femininity.
I was overwhelmed by the irony.
Only a few minutes earlier I was fully dressed as a woman, totally enjoying all of the clothes and makeup (and still underdressed in nylon panties and pantyhose).
Yet, if this tough-looking GG went into the dress department of a department store she would be fully accepted and welcomed to buy herself anything she wanted.
Absurd.

[Laura912]

I think the absurdity in this must escape me. Perhaps she is on the same journey as you. Maybe she/he feels self conscious going into the men's section and trying on male clothes. Maybe you two could work a deal and shop for each other? :2c:

[I Am Paula]

Yet, if this tough-looking GG went into the dress department of a department store she would be fully accepted and welcomed to buy herself anything she wanted.
Absurd.

You would be fully accepted, and welcome to buy anything. The real world is not a mean place.

[~Joanne~]

The real world is not a mean place.

I disagree with this but I could rant all day about it and get no where fast so I won't ;)

I often have those thoughts too il.dso , as I am sure do many others, so your not alone.

[arbon]

Yet, if this tough-looking GG went into the dress department of a department store she would be fully accepted and welcomed to buy herself anything she wanted.
Absurd.

Of course she would be.

Nylons, panties, heels and makeup don't make a woman.

[Tracii G]

I'm confused.
I don't see irony here.

[Cheryl H]

I see the irony and I understand it. It is more socially acceptable for women to masculinize than it is for men to feminize. When a women is "power-dressed" she is said to be asserting herself. But if a man is "cross-dressed" he is said to be demeaning himself. This is a double standard. Until society can see the issue from both perspectives than there will always be gender boundaries. Back in the 1970's when the feminist movement really took off there were women who claimed they wanted men and women to be 100% equal in the work place. But when a piticular woman was asked if men and women were to be equal would it be acceptable for a man to wear a skirt, she stumbled to find an answer and said something about Scottish kilts. So there will always be gender boundaries that are difficult to break through. This is the world we live in. It's not perfect... Yet.

I have gone in to many clothing stores which cater to women and have openly shopped and tried on clothing while in boy mode. So what! The sales girls have been nothing but supportive and when they realize what is going on either have tons of questions which I'm more than happy to answer, or begin treating me like "one of the girls" and begin making recommendations that would look good on me. I've bought many outfits I never would have considered as a result.

I've also had my hair done in boy mode, then when and got a make over, granted that was for a party that night. The next day I showed up at the salon in fem and the staff got a huge kick out of it. One of the girls there even had to feel up my boobs to see what they were made of. That was interesting!!!

So we can be accepted if we want to be. Granted there are going to be bigots and idiots out there who don't get it and don't understand, but you find that in every sub group and culture.

[Stephanie47]

Masculine, serious, joyless? Three adjectives to describe her.

Masculine? Does that mean her physical appearance or her attire. Most variety store retailers I visit seem to mandate pants (Target, Wal-Mart, etc). That may be for safety sake and comfort and uniformity of staff (Target's red tops). Yes, upper scale stores, such as Macy's seem to encourage or mandate better dressing.

Serious? Maybe the boss chewed her out. Or the previous customer was obnoxious.

Joyless? "I have to take all this crap for minimum wage?"

It could be there is no reason for her to display her femininity. Maybe she puts on her sexuality after getting off work. I see lots of guys who look like absolute slobs while working, and, they seem to clean up fairly nicely after punching out at work.

[Sabrina133]

I agree Cheryl,

The same has happened to me on a number of occasion. I remember being in Fredericks in drab.The SA asked me what size my GF was and i told her it was for me. She didnt blink twice. She guessed my size right away, suggested styles and colors that would look good on me. I've also done it in higher quality department stores such as Macy's, Lord and Taylor and others. One SA did ask me if i planned on becoming a girl?

Most Sales assistants just want to make a profit...they don't care who they sell to as long as they sell.

[docrobbysherry]

If u find THAT so ironic, Il, I expect u don't follow politics in this country?

[Cheryl Ann Owens]

I think the absurdity in this must escape me. Perhaps she is on the same journey as you. Maybe she/he feels self conscious going into the men's section and trying on male clothes. Maybe you two could work a deal and shop for each other? :2c:

Let's imagine a sci-fi scenario where we could pair up with FtM transmen and do a brain swap. Wouldn't that be cool!

[Wildaboutheels]

" The sales associate was a very masculine, serious, joyless GG doing all she could to outwardly hide her femininity."

I hope you realize that there are no laws that REQUIRE GGs to try to appear as "attractive as possible" to men whenever they are out in public? Chances are excellent, that the more time and effort a woman puts in, [before leaving the house] the greater the odds that she doesn't have a SO of any kind but IS looking for one.

If you are running to the Homer to pick up some widget, are you likely to spend the same amount of time on your appearance as you would if you were meeting a lady for a first date?

As for stores? At the end of the day when they count the money, I seriously doubt if any worry about WHAT the person who coughed up the money was wearing. Or if it was a male or female.

[Beverley Sims]

You are trying to paint a picture and explain a situation here.
Unfortunately it is lost on me as well.
Leave out the last paragraph and it looks clearer but different.
In short you went out as an attractive girl and you met a girl that looked plain and ordinary.
This shows two different girls outlooks to me.
Would you not be welcomed into the dress department yourself.
Or are your thoughts absurd?

Sorry,
For me it needs more explanation.

[JenniferR771]

I am thinking the sales girl may be an FTM. I suspect she would understand if you came in en femme.
Perhaps you should have tried to talk with her. Bi women and crossdressers get along well. Hit a few clubs with her after hours.