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Debglam
05-15-2013, 11:12 PM
I do wonder about the health of the individuals in the study when starting HRT.

Hormone Therapy Associated With CVD in Male-to-Female Transsexuals (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/804100)

Lisa Nainggolan
May 14, 2013
Copenhagen, Denmark — New data from a large gender-identity unit have shown that hormone therapy taken by transsexuals is associated with a higher cardiovascular mortality rate among transsexual women (male to female [M2F]) but not men (female to male [F2M]). Both, however, had a higher incidence of type 2 diabetes than the general population.

"Our main finding concerning hormonal therapy in transsexual persons is that hormonal therapy seems to be safe in transsexual men in the short and middle term (around 8 years)," Katrien Wierckx, MD, who runs the unit, situated at University Hospital, Ghent, Belgium, told Medscape Medical News.

However, "our results substantiate the few other studies published in the past 2 years, which observed that transsexual women have more cardiovascular diseases compared with the general population. Further research is definitely needed to explore this," she added.

Dr. Wierckx and colleagues reported their findings earlier this month, in a poster at the 2013 European Congress on Endocrinology (ECE) meeting.

More Thromboembolism, MI in Male-to-Female Transsexuals

Dr. Wierckx explained that hormone therapy is part of the established treatment of gender-identity disorder, but outcomes data regarding morbidity and mortality "are scant."

In their specialist center, she and her colleagues studied 193 M2F and 128 F2M transsexuals, with a mean age of 42.5 years, assessing physical health and incidence of possible treatment-related adverse effects compared with age-matched female and male control subjects recruited from a population study in Flanders.

M2F transsexuals typically take antiandrogens and estrogens, while F2M transsexuals will receive testosterone therapy. The participants used hormone therapy for 7.4 years on average (range, 3 months to 49 years) and were a mean of 6.6 years from their sex-reassignment surgery.

During follow-up, 10 transsexual persons (9 M2F and 1 F2M) died. Causes of death were cardiovascular disease (n = 2), cancer (n = 2) and suicide (n = 6).

Three percent of transsexual women (n = 10) experienced venous thrombosis and/or pulmonary embolism during hormonal therapy, half of which occurred during the first treatment year (n = 5), while another 3 episodes occurred at the time of sex-reassignment surgery.

Transsexual women also experienced more myocardial infarction (MI) compared with control women (P = .001), but not with control men. Prevalence of cerebrovascular disease was also higher in transsexual women compared with control men and women (P = .05 and P = .02, respectively).

Transsexual men had similar morbidity rates of MI and cerebrovascular disease compared with the control population, however.

Transsexual men also had fewer cancers than the general population, said Dr. Wierckx, but she explained this was a result of fewer gynecological malignancies, as breast tissue, uterus, and ovaries are removed during sex-reassignment surgery. But otherwise, there was an equal prevalence of cancer among the transsexual and control population.

And although the incidence of type 2 diabetes was higher in both sexes, all but 1 diagnosis in transsexual women was found before the start of hormonal therapy, suggesting overdiagnosis, they note. Transsexual men did have a higher incidence of type 2 diabetes compared with the general population, however.

Could Testosterone Therapy Lead to Altered Lipids?

Other research presented at the ECE meeting appeared to demonstrate worsening lipid profiles in F2M transsexuals following testosterone therapy.

Antonia Becerra, MD, from Hospital Universitario Ramon y Cajal, Madrid, Spain, and colleagues studied 50 F2M transsexuals following 3 years of testosterone therapy. Participants experienced significant reductions in HDL cholesterol and apolipoprotein A-I (apoA-1). They also had significant increases in total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, apoB, and homocysteine.

However, lipoprotein (a) (Lp[a]) was also significantly reduced, and there were no changes in other components of the metabolic syndrome, Dr. Becerra and colleagues noted.

Similarly, Carmen Quirós López, MD, of Hospital Clinic Universitari Barcelona, Spain, and coworkers reported on 92 F2M transsexuals after 24 months of testosterone treatment. They experienced a significant increase in weight and body mass index (BMI) and a worsening lipid profile, with increased total cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL cholesterol, as well as a decrease in HDL cholesterol.

In 143 M2F transsexuals, however, the Spanish doctors saw no significant changes in lipid profile following hormone therapy, although these individuals did put on weight and increase BMI significantly.

Dr. Wierckx and colleagues found similar metabolic results in a separate prospective study conducted with other European gender identity centers. They reported on 24 F2M and 56 M2F transsexuals after the first year of hormone therapy.

"Estrogen and antiandrogens in transwomen lead to more fat mass with a gynoid pattern on distribution. Testosterone treatment induces a less favorable lipid profile in transmen," they conclude.

Dr. Wierckx said there are a few possible explanations for this seeming discrepancy, whereby they did not see an increase in cardiovascular events in transmen (F2M) in their larger study, despite reporting unfavorable lipid changes following testosterone therapy in the smaller ongoing prospective trial.

The lipid alterations could "be counterbalanced by a positive effect of other cardiovascular risk factors," she suggested. "For example, it's well-known that fat mass reduces in transsexual men and that they gain muscle mass.

"Another explanation could be that our transsexual men were still too young to experience cardiovascular events, as transsexual men present themselves at younger ages compared with transsexual women."

Dr. Wierckx has reported no relevant financial relationships. Disclosures for the other presenters are not available in the abstracts.

2013 European Congress on Endocrinology. Abstract P969, Abstract P190, Abstract P192, Abstract P189, presented April 29, 2013.

Barbara Ella
05-15-2013, 11:22 PM
This is good information to have, and provides something more to have your doctor be aware of as things progress over time.

I am intrigues at the figure of the ten who died during followup, and that 6 of the ten were suicide. It would be interesting if these people were followed over the next few years to see how these numbers track. They really show the extreme mental pressures that this can bring to bear. Sad

Thanks for sharing this,

Barbara

KellyJameson
05-15-2013, 11:48 PM
There is a relationship between testosterone, insulin resistance and coronary heart disease. It is an inverse relationship depending on whether you were born with functioning ovaries versus testes.

Post menopausal women are prone to insulin resistance because their levels of testosterone rise from a drop in estrogen where low testosterone from the testes not producing it increases insulin resistance.

Insulin is a hormone that seems to be affected by the sex hormones.

I was born with problems related to insulin and testosterone production and have always been insulin resistant but through careful management of my health have avoided complications.

Jorja
05-16-2013, 09:01 AM
While this is an important study, it was a very small study. Only 193 M2F and 128 F2M. There are many things that can cause higher cardiovascular mortality rates such as diet and exercise. The diet of people in Copenhagen, Denmark is quite a bit different than in Chicago, Illinois. Then there is smoking and stress levels to consider. I would not make my determination as to whether or not to take HRT based on this study. Go to your doctor and get a physical and blood test to determine your own fitness. Make your decision from there.

melissaK
05-16-2013, 09:35 AM
"Another explanation could be that our transsexual men were still too young to experience cardiovascular events, as transsexual men present themselves at younger ages compared with transsexual women."

Hmmm. They run out of grant money? Seems results could've been adjusted for this variance . . .

Kaitlyn Michele
05-16-2013, 09:38 AM
suicide is a higher risk than heart disease...

the thrombosis issue is a very serious possible complication...its unfair but its the way it is...

stefan37
05-16-2013, 09:47 AM
While thrombosis is a serious complication. With proper monitoring and exercise the threat can be managed. The threat of possible life threatening complications from HRT is much less than unhealthy habits from trying to mitigate dysphoria. Since starting hrt I have been substance and alcohol free for 18 months to date and the mental effects have been a life saver. I am the healthiest I have ever been, both mentally and physically. Plus I get monitored quarterly for the most common indicators of complications. Lipids, blood pressure, sugar etc.

celeste26
05-16-2013, 10:49 AM
I also wonder whether they took into account the cardio vascular condition of the MtF population prior to SRS. Living with T does tend to put a strain on the heart and since many of them had their operation later in life they could easily have been already dealing with CVS prior to surgery.

Debglam
05-16-2013, 07:44 PM
There are many things that can cause higher cardiovascular mortality rates such as diet and exercise. . . Then there is smoking and stress levels to consider. I would not make my determination as to whether or not to take HRT based on this study.

That's what I was thinking.

I have really been intrigued by HRT and it's pluses and minuses for someone who is middle path. It sounds like there are risks inherent in the estrogen itself and additional risks given estrogen and levels of testosterone in the system. I guess I'll be spending my allowance on electrolysis next. . .

Jorja
05-17-2013, 06:52 PM
That's what I was thinking.

I have really been intrigued by HRT and it's pluses and minuses for someone who is middle path. It sounds like there are risks inherent in the estrogen itself and additional risks given estrogen and levels of testosterone in the system. I guess I'll be spending my allowance on electrolysis next. . .

There are risks in waking up in the morning yet 7 billion people do it every morning.

Debglam
05-17-2013, 07:50 PM
This is true. I just believe in considering all the angles before jumping into things.

mikiSJ
05-17-2013, 08:15 PM
Debby

I think this gives rise to the need for extreme caution when self medicating with hormones. The father of my son's best friend in high school self-medicated with estrogen for nearly 10 years and died of a heart attack when his son was a senior in high school. The father was over-weight by design (curves) but did not smoke.

These are not casual medications.

Angela Campbell
05-17-2013, 08:44 PM
Yes there is a risk, as with almost any drug, for potential dangerous situations. This is why a Doctor would want to monitor blood work often to keep tabs on such things. Taking without a doctors help increases the chance of possible complications not being caught before they are severe.

As said before, under a doctors supervision they are less harmful than not taking them in some cases.


Also keep in mind that hamburgers are also associated with CVD............

noeleena
05-18-2013, 03:12 AM
Hi,

one point ill say here how many of those who died not by self indused the others did they have thier blood tests done as should have been , more check ups maybe a change in meds should be allso noted because of how the body reacts with synthic meds, types & dose rates, no info on that yet over looked,

yet needs to be concidered, to many i know have what they need yet forget takeing responsabilty for thier own health. in a way that would help them no end.

...noeleena...

Tammy V
05-18-2013, 01:12 PM
They could come out with a study that says that HRT will kill you in a few years; and I wouldn't stop.
But really, studies say this and another says that. And in a few months a new study comes along to say somethign completely different. If you over analyze anything you can talk yourself out of everything.
Read the fine print on the labels of Any medications or watch the television ads and hear the scary disclaimers at the end, nothing is 100% safe.
Maybe it's time to put away the electron microscope and trust your doctor when he prescribes medication.....

LeaP
05-18-2013, 03:21 PM
I regard all of these risks as relatively low, all things being equal. Also, as with many drugs risk with estrogen is dosage dependent. The statistics I have seen on increased risk in male bodied people have been tied to relatively high dosages as treatment for prostate issues.