What's the deal with the Transexuals???

[nolafeet]

Has any other - self identifying Transvestites/crossdresser (though I hate the word "crossdresser" as to me it only implies "dress". and there is so much more to it for me at least) - but I digress....

Have you noticed transexuals (in my terms it's taking hormones) overly critical, judgmental, of you for not taking it to where they take it?

Often forcing hormones as the solution and trying nicely to say without the hormones "you'll never be a real woman" or understand women ....

Thoughts?

[Tracii G]

Oh yeah quite a bit on some other sites.I tend to not reply to the hate.
What they think is right for them may not be what I feel is right for me.

[Lynn Marie]

I normally take CD girls on HRT with a grain of salt. They can be unpredictable at best, and downright nasty at their worst. I wouldn't do hormones no matter what you promised me. I like my mature and adult state of mind. Okay, maybe not all that adult!

[Kate Simmons]

No TS gal has ever tried to talk me into it or put me down Hon. Some things I have been told from my TS sisters is that some felt they had no choice when they went through transition as they felt they were living a lie by not have their bodies match their feelings. Personally, I've never felt pressured one way or the other as I just enjoy being myself.:)

[DanaM64]

Hi Mandi,

I believe it's quite the contrary... From what I've seen in this forum as well as others is that hormones are usually not recommended for TV/CD because it will make permanent changes. On top of that the health risks involved by taking them just to achieve cosmetic change of the body for when they dress or transform... Usually these posts originate by someone asking if others have been successful in hiding any growth contributed by the hormones or herbs in which the BIG question arises... WHY would you alter your body if you're only interested in part time usage of the new appendages?? Then naturally the 2nd question is how they are acquiring the hormones if they are taking them, thru the internet or under the care of a physician...

In short, I'm not sure where you're reading this "forcing" or hormones and though it is said there is a euphoric experience or peace of mind when taking the hormones, I believe no one and that includes GG's truly understands women...

Just my 2¢

[kellycan27]

I've not seen that here. What I have seen are transsexual cautioning against the casual use of hormones in order to grow breasts or to partially feminize... HRT is taken quite seriously here and I am sure that if a transsexual was to see another transsexual saying anything of this nature.. They would quickly be admonished for doing so.
Most of time those who are contemplating (TS and CD alike) are advised to seek out a qualified gender therapist before even thinking about HRT.

[Annette Todd]

I've not seen that here. What I have seen are transsexual cautioning against the casual use of hormones in order to grow breasts or to partially feminize... HRT is taken quite seriously here and I am sure that if a transsexual was to see another transsexual saying anything of this nature.. They would quickly be admonished for doing so.


Oh! I have seen it and on this site. When I first joined here, I would visit and post in other places. I won't mention the body issues forum. They are hormone snobs. To them nothing else exist but to poison their bodies and risk lots of nasty things to achieve their ends. Offer an alternative holistic approach and you will get responses from polite disagreement to outright condescension. I have not made that mistake since.
I do agree they do not recommend any casual use of hormones. But, they are of one mind in that is the only way you can feminize the male body. Although there is proof other ways exist.

BTW, I find it hilarious that we can talk about hormones but if you mention the forbidden h word... your post is deleted.


Annette

[KellyJameson]

There are many different opinions of what makes a real woman and that in itself would be an interesting debate.

When you meet one transsexual that is all you have met, one transsexual.

Many transsexuals when they are transitioning are in a fragile state plus they were already psychologically vulnerable from living a life out of extreme balance so any compassion and empathy you extend them I'm sure would be most appreciated or at the very least will make the burdens they carry less burdensome

Be thankful that you are not transsexual because many do not survive it.

Concerning peoples opinions remember that is all they are offering, opinions.

Find your own truth.

My own opinion is it takes more than hormones to be a woman, much more.

[Kelly DeWinter]

This thread has the potential to be a great thread for good dialog or can slip easily into a proverbial catfight. I think we meaning EVERYONE has to remember, that it's more about the TG spectrum and where you fall on it. I don't think it' snobishness, hormones or such, it's more about the experience of where we are at that moment in our lives. Everyone is on the same road, there are just many exits and rest spots along the way. We have to respect everyone's choices. I see a lot of good advice here, but also a lot of bad advice. Everyone has an opinion nd yes there are those who are passionate of their choices and passionate about promoting what has been healthy for them. Sometimes this site is like an incubator for those whose journey end in transition and they fde from active participation to go out and lead a more private life. it's interesting to note that more people who identify as CD leave and then return to this site, then those who identify as TS

[steftoday]

This thread seemed to have started out in a rather inflammatory way. Like Kelly states, it can degrade or be an interesting dialog. I hope it proves to be the latter.

[kellycan27]

TBPO I have never ( and I've been around a while) heard tell of any TS who has lauded the holistic approach to feminization nor have I seen any professionals ( besides the people who make the stuff) offer the holistic approach as a "safer" "working" alternative to hormone therapy. One would think that if the holistic approach was a viable alternative... People would be jumping on them. Nor have I seen any so called proof that holistic s do in fact work other than ( before the subject was banned) an individual or two saying that it worked for them.... None of whom were transsexual. If the holistic approach did work as you say wouldn't you think that more people would be aware of it? Wouldn't there be more said about it in the transsexual community?

[Kelly DeWinter]

This thread seemed to have started out in a rather inflammatory way. Like Kelly states, it can degrade or be an interesting dialog. I hope it proves to be the latter.

nods in agreement, Its a good topic and one that can can be beneficial to the community as a whole , but only if we self police ourselves . Which I fully believe will happen.


TBPO I have never ( and I've been around a while) heard tell of any TS who has lauded the holistic approach to feminization nor have I seen any professionals ( besides the people who make the stuff) offer the holistic approach as a "safer" "working" alternative to hormone therapy. One would think that if the holistic approach was a viable alternative... People would be jumping on them. Nor have I seen any so called proof that holistic s do in fact work other than ( before the subject was banned) an individual or two saying that it worked for them.... None of whom were transsexual. If the holistic approach did work as you say wouldn't you think that more people would be aware of it? Wouldn't there be more said about it in the transsexual community?

I'm not familiar to the meaning of 'holistic approach', are we talking about natural herbs and such ? I thought the basis of a lot of medicine is herbs ? (BTW, im not advocating , it's just an informational inquiry)

[Vickie_CDTV]

Not all transsexuals do this, thank goodness.

However, yes, in my many years in the transgender community I have had people tell me time and time again that I should try hormones, how much better off I would be on hormones, that I am really a TS and someday I will regret that I didn't start HRT when I was young etc. etc. etc. I always look at these people and think, would you recommend someone who does not have diabetes take insulin?

I have also, to a lesser extent, been told I should try dating men, someday I will inevitably desire to be with men, how much happier I would be if I dated a man etc. I look at them and think, would you tell a gay man that it is inevitable that someday he will want to be with a woman?

What they are really doing is reflecting their own regrets or desires onto me, or they just don't believe it is possible to be an occasional heterosexual TV for whatever reason.

[I Am Paula]

I am transexual. I've known it all my life, but I waited a long time to really start to do anything about it. GD was rough on me in the last year. I wasn't able to function properly. I'm on HRT, for my own reasons. What led me here I would not wish on anybody, and what lays ahead may not be a picnic either. If dressing/presenting female keeps you happy, stay the hell away from hormones. You are just as much a woman, and just as valid, in our community, or any other, without them. For me they are the last resort.

[whowhatwhen]

You know what works better than herbs from a shady corner of the internet?
Estrogen and an anti-androgen as prescribed by a physician after a diagnosis of GID.

It's not about putting someone down, but any drug is serious **** and should only be taken under supervision and only if it's needed.

[kimdl93]

I think it's very important to use common language to classify people. I would not begin by offering a definition of transsexuals only in terms of individuals taking hormones. That excludes a lot of people. In the several years I've been here I've seen many more cautions by tTS people against assuming that transition is easy than advocacy for HRT or any other step in that process.

[Annette Todd]

Hmmm,
Well I can't offer my knowledge or experience on the subject here because my post would be deleted faster than you can say "banned subject". Anyone who
cares to read what I cannot write here is welcome to send me a private message.
While I agree that TSs have had very tough issues to deal with, they ought to realize that others can sympathize but a mile in their heels isn't a path we can relate to.

Annette


You know what works better than herbs from a shady corner of the internet?
Estrogen and an anti-androgen as prescribed by a physician after a diagnosis of GID.

It's not about putting someone down, but any drug is serious **** and should only be taken under supervision and only if it's needed.

Proved my point perfectly...
Thanks

I am dragging my behind out of this thread before I get completely P Od.
out!

Annette

[Kelly DeWinter]

............ What they are really doing is reflecting their own regrets or desires onto me, or they just don't believe it is possible to be an occasional heterosexual TV for whatever reason.

Very insightful, It reminds me of the hotel room silicone injections that people do and sometimes die from.


I am transexual. I've known it all my life, but I waited a long time to really start to do anything about it. GD was rough on me in the last year. I wasn't able to function properly. I'm on HRT, for my own reasons. What led me here I would not wish on anybody, and what lays ahead may not be a picnic either. If dressing/presenting female keeps you happy, stay the hell away from hormones. You are just as much a woman, and just as valid, in our community, or any other, without them. For me they are the last resort.

Just curious why would you say stay away from hormones ?


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It's not about putting someone down, but any drug is serious **** and should only be taken under supervision and only if it's needed.

nods in agreement .

[whowhatwhen]

Proved my point perfectly...
Thanks

I am dragging my behind out of this thread before I get completely P Od.
out!

Annette

Why?
Hormones are serious **** and I'm only going to start talking to my doctor about them after a year of seeing a gender therapist.

Plus the fact that they can cause complications that can literally kill you.
Hormones really are a non-issue, and it's partly taken because our brains aren't meant to run on testosterone and we feel like ****.

[Angela Campbell]

I don't understand. Are you getting PO'd because this forum will not allow talk on certain subjects, or because some transsexuals are giving advice that is supported by healthcare professionals? Or is it that you disagree with this advice?

[Annette Todd]

Why?
Hormones are serious **** and I'm only going to start talking to my doctor about them after a year of seeing a gender therapist.

Plus the fact that they can cause complications that can literally kill you.
Hormones really are a non-issue, and it's partly taken because our brains aren't meant to run on testosterone and we feel like ****.

I will agree with you there. That is why I think they are a bad idea. Additionally, Spiro is not meant for the purposes of anti androgen. To accomplish that feat with Spiro, the doses are nearly toxic levels. Added in the risks of cancer with hormones that have to be processed in the liver, Imo, is a recipe for disaster.

[I Am Paula]

[COLOR=blue]Just curious why would you say stay away from hormones ?

If a person is perfectly happy with thier-presentation, lot in life, and mental state, why choose hormones? Hormones help fix defects, not help build a better crossdresser.
If you aren't calling you therapist begging for your HRT recommendation letter, chances are good you don't need one.

[arbon]

Have you noticed transexuals (in my terms it's taking hormones) overly critical, judgmental, of you for not taking it to where they take it?

Often forcing hormones as the solution and trying nicely to say without the hormones "you'll never be a real woman" or understand women ....


Nope, never experienced or seen that here, or with other transsexuals that I know.

[Annette Todd]

I don't understand. Are you getting PO'd because this forum will not allow talk on certain subjects, or because some transsexuals are giving advice that is supported by healthcare professionals? Or is it that you disagree with this advice?

No. It's the intolerant, holier than thou, close minded attitudes of some. Not pointing any fingers whowhatwhen. I generally value your contributions. I don't discount gid. But, we are not all on the same cruise ship and because we have different issues and views, neither should anyone be discounted as insignificant.

Speaking as one who lurks in shady corners.

[Nicole Erin]

Have you noticed transexuals (in my terms it's taking hormones) overly critical, judgmental, of you for not taking it to where they take it?

Often forcing hormones as the solution and trying nicely to say without the hormones "you'll never be a real woman" or understand women ....

Thoughts?

Oh gyod you think that is bad, you ought to read some of the threads in the TS sections. Some of them go and eat a bunch of pills or get surgeries and all the sudden they know it all. They don't often razz the CDs for not taking hrt but a few TS have the "trannier than thou" attitude towards each other.

Can't nobody tell anyone else how to live.

[Jenniferathome]

..Often forcing hormones as the solution and trying nicely to say without the hormones "you'll never be a real woman" or understand women ....

Thoughts?

Really?! Perhaps you found the rare individual who felt that way rather than assuming all are that way.

[Beverley Sims]

Those taking hormones have an entirely different goal in life, unlike us they are not into make believe but are playing the game for keeps.
When they have been there, they have also done that.
I helped a couple transition many years ago and it was a tide of mood swings and arguments.
We also were good friends as we supported each other during good times and bad.
I used to drop the occasional comment in the other forums here but because I am seen as a cross dresser my opinion does not carry much weight with those that do not know me.
I avoid making comment these days unless it is something I intimately experienced years ago and have good knowledge about.
Even then I am shouted down, so I keep silent.
Remember when communicating with others they probably have a totally different agenda and are thinking on a "different level" than you.
Probably yours, and I know my problems are miniscule to what some of those women are going through.
Hormones playing with their mind, family relationships, a change of environment.... man to woman outlook here.
So some will be very off hand an say the things that you have heard.
I hope I did answer the question.Often with good cause.
Be like me and enjoy being a part time girl and if you are accepted as a friend in the transsexual community, consider it a privilege and "listen" to what they say.


I am sure there would have been a lot of different replies here if everyone had replied to the original post instead of going off on tangents.
I just read through the other posts.

[whowhatwhen]

Has there even been that much "no true tranny" type stuff nowadays?
All I've seen is TS members telling people to follow the proper procedures for acquiring HRT.

[famousunknown]

No. It's the intolerant, holier than thou, close minded attitudes of some. Not pointing any fingers whowhatwhen.

spot on observation.

[Marleena]

All I've seen is TS members telling people to follow the proper procedures for acquiring HRT.

Exactly. Hormone usage needs to be monitored or they can be dangerous. We try to protect people from themselves. The WPATH guidelines need to be followed for safety sake. Some people think it's all fun and games to try to make themselves look more girlie using hormones. It's sending out the wrong message and dangerous and that's the bottom line.

This thread was going okay but the usual suspects are probably going to manage to get a locked thread again.

[whowhatwhen]

What/who are they being intolerant of?
I mean, there are girls who may never develop any significant superficial changes from HRT and I think members can be a little curt when trying to get that message out.

Nonetheless it's a valuable message.

[nolafeet]

yikes ... how did this turn into a mess about hormones? (point proven?... lol joking :) )

First: I did not mean all, by no means, simply a majority.
2. not that I think it matters, all my experience with my opinion is from in person


maybe my definition used solely for the benefit of helping this dialogue was not the best. My apologies.

My point is that "Transexuals" due to wanting to be completely opposite, and "passing" and being "clocked" TO ME tend to be judgmental of me for my bending of gender and not being binary about gender.

I will try to explain more clearly in the am.

[xdressed]

yikes ... how did this turn into a mess about hormones? (point proven?... lol joking :) )

First: I did not mean all, by no means, simply a majority.
2. not that I think it matters, all my experience with my opinion is from in person


maybe my definition used solely for the benefit of helping this dialogue was not the best. My apologies.

My point is that "Transexuals" due to wanting to be completely opposite, and "passing" and being "clocked" TO ME tend to be judgmental of me for my bending of gender and not being binary about gender.

I will try to explain more clearly in the am.

I've heard this a few times from various people, but I think the vast majority of TS are not like this (much like the vast majority of gays and lesbians aren't transphobic even though some are). Transsexuals are our brothers and sisters and we should all be supporting each other rather than dragging whole groups of people down because of how some of them are

[iyzie]

If you think of gender dysphoria compared to other medical conditions, there is a tremendous amount of social stigma, and fear of the procedures themselves, that scare people away from seeking treatment. Survivors of a condition naturally want to spread awareness and help others who are suffering obtain treatment. But I also think that nowadays most who are trans will have the crossdressing path eventually lead them to transitioning, so I see no need to directly badger CDs to start escalating their cross gender feelings.

[I Am Paula]

I don't think any TS has ever badgered a CD to escalate. That's like that rumour (outright lie) about 'drug pushers' in the sixties trying to create new addicts, or Anita Bryants claim that gays recruit young men.

[Lorileah]

This thread seemed to have started out in a rather inflammatory way. Like Kelly states, it can degrade or be an interesting dialog. I hope it proves to be the latter.

I agree and since it seems to be a "flaming" thread....I think it will go bye bye