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Barbara Ella
07-20-2013, 05:31 PM
My wife issued that statement just last Tuesday.

The back story as told too many times is that my wife has said that she intellectually supports me, but cannot participate with me. She said repeatedly in the past if I expressed or dressed as a woman to an extent where she felt I was a woman, she could not stay married.

To me, expressing and being were extremely intertwined in my mind, and the past 9 months have been hell as I kept my fears of telling her I was female to myself and fought against the results of coming out to her, and being honest with who I was, and what I was doing.

Friday a week ago, there was a Dear Abby letter about a TS worried about coming out. The title hit me hard, and I was in a funk the entire day. Even the grandson asked "What wrong with grandpa?" The letter was about coming out to a date about being TS etc. But just the coming out feeling was enough to fuel my fears of what would happen if my wife knew.

That evening we had a long discussion about the letter, and the fears of a TS in life, and what I was going through. She still clings to the thought I am only a crossdresser, and had not yet grasped the concept of being TG. She knew I had a feminine component, but had not progressed. I explained GD, the nature of being gender fluid. She questioned about my gender as I underdress 24/7, and how could i still be a male if I wear female underwear, and was I no longer comfortable with her when I was with her. The gender fluid description seemed to satisfy her.

Well, Monday was my alone day, and the hormones kicked in, and it was a crying day for me over the usual future of her knowing. For the first time, wife came home, and noticed I had been crying, and asked about it. I explained it had to do with my internal struggles to come to grips with who I am, without going into the specifics.

BOOM. That evening was the Major Crimes episode about the young TS girl who was assaulted and murdered, and the family tensions, etc. Well, I cried through the whole show. That evening we continued the in depth discussion of being TS, and the nature of GD, and coming to grips with who I am. She asked point blank, "Do you want to be a woman?" My reply was only semi honest, and I said I felt I could never be a true woman, and if my body was worked on, it would only approximate being a woman to the extent my mind and body were in synch, but I would never be a "true" woman because of my starting point. Also, at my age, progressing to any SRS is likely not going to happen.

Tuesday morning, we sat together over coffee, and she looked at me and said. "It doesn't matter to me if you are female. It should not matter what we are inside, and most likely we would be better off if everyone had bits of each gender working. But, I cannot take seeing you presenting as a woman, maybe in time, but not now." She said if I needed counseling or a support group, she was now in favor of that. She has begun to absorb the concept that this is more than crossdressing. She also said that my being female was not a divorce trigger, but dressing still might be. She thinks that with time whe will be able to accept me androgenous, but no guarantees, just the way she is wired to me after 42 years of marriage before all this hit the fan.

It was then that it hit me. She has a distinct compartmentalization between being female, intellectually, and presenting as a woman, visual. I had not made this separation before as it was all to personal to me. But now her attitude and fears made sense.

I know I have still not been totally forthcoming, but believe me, that takes time, and her acceptance and well being are uppermost in my live, even over my being able to connect physical and mental. With time, it will come, bit by bit. Right now I am so peaceful that my being female will not trigger anything drastic. I am hopeful that with HRT I can keep mind and body in synch without the physical need for dressing around the house. She is fine with my driving to another town, getting a room, and going out, just not where she, or our friends can see me. i have to respect that. Jokingly she said that if I was 80 I could dress all the time because by that time everyone would buy her statement that I was just senile. We are not intimate due to both our medications, but she said only that if I was female, I was not to expect sex.

My week has seen me with a peace of mind I have not known for quite some time. Sorry to have written so much, but I needed to share.

Thanks

Barbara

Julie Gaum
07-20-2013, 06:05 PM
Barbara what a web you have woven! You know me well enough to know that I would never try to offer advice; in fact only you
are able to weigh your options day by day and year by year --- I can only feel a wee bit of what you're feeling and it does make me sad. Nevertheless you have reached a plateau of content and for that I'm glad.
In the past when I've reached a place of uncertainty and not knowing which way to turn you may remember (or not) that I throw my problems at my personal God and say to Him: "It's your problem, your Will, so handle it. Then I'm at peace.
For you too, it will work out and you will be happy.
Your friend, Julie

Princess Grandpa
07-20-2013, 06:17 PM
Hun please don't feel the need to apologize. If you can't share here than what's the point? Increased understanding between the two of you has to be a good thing right?

Hug
Rita

Wildaboutheels
07-20-2013, 06:45 PM
Nicely written story Barbara but you certainly don't need to apologize about the length. Anyone who posts here should always remember it's THEIR choice in what they choose to read or respond to and should also realize that simply looking in the Q box and then firing in a response does not help anyone.

At least it looks like from your story, the way I read it, that your wife is doing the best that she can and is "hanging in there" with and for you.

FeliciaCDSNJ
07-20-2013, 11:07 PM
I feel what you are going through because my wife is pretty much on the same level. Just take it one day at a time and you never know, dreams may come true.

noeleena
07-21-2013, 04:32 AM
Hi,

First off i had to laugh at the senile bit, so being that age is okay....he he love it. by then itll be to damm late,

I can see it now the staff come in Now mam what we wearing to day......ya ya.....

I tryed not to take my self to serous = Jos said to me when i was going over to Thailand for surgerys, well while your over there why dont you have your breasts done so i said do you think so ...should i ....well yes all that way and.........

Then she said ,, oh heck what am i saying you going over there for........you see Jos was quite surportive then .after all we have known each other for many years, even in that hell we can still love each other,

Okay when Jos & i had our marrage anuuld i said this to her.

One day when you find a ...REAL... man & get marred he must have lots of money a round the world ship a flash house a big car, &.....&.... im comeing as the maid. so we both had a good laugh, Ill update this in about 3 months,

Okay what im getting at is this i know what a hell of a trip this all is all the heartache & all the rest of what we go through just remember to smell those rose's have a laugh & enjoy the sun. ....you know what im saying ....okay....

...noeleena...

kimdl93
07-21-2013, 06:53 AM
Thanks for sharing so much intimate and painful and in some ways encouraging conversations. It seems that time and communications...and even media...are gradually having a positive effect.

DeidraDee63
07-21-2013, 10:39 AM
Hi Barbara, Sounds like you are making baby steps and I think that is a good sign and I am happy for you. My wife, God bless her is either denying the whole situation or is announcing to the world we are now going to be lesbian lovers (lol). think about a roller coaster of confusion. Please just keep your final dreams in mind and let her take the lead for now. I hope your hormones continue to work for you and your retain that inner peace, I know it is an awesome feeling. Your friend,
Hugs,
Deidra

KellyJameson
07-21-2013, 01:06 PM
Peace of mind is a luxury when you are a transsexual so I always enjoy those moments and think of them as being in the eye of the hurricane where all is quiet and serene.

I think our female identity is planted long before we enter into relationships and most transsexuals try to keep this seed from growing.

The expression "man up" could be about a man becoming mature and responsible but when you are female it becomes about denial.

I had almost a pathological fear of women when I would enter into a relationship with them but when I was not in a relationship with them I was very comfortable in their company and experienced men as exotic and foreign.

My mind understood women and I was baffled by the gender war that is partially created by the brain differences between men and women.

It is very easy for me to slip into a woman's life but only when the relationship does not threaten my own gender.

Most women are heavily invested in gender and the status quo and they see sex and gender as the same thing, just as do most men.

Those that live on the LGBT spectrum are more sensitive to sex and gender being separate because who they are forces them to think about sexual identity versus gender identity but for many, probably most this is a question that never needs to be addressed.

Much of the tension between those who live on the LGBT spectrum comes from pushing others who do not live on the spectrum to think of sex and gender as being separate.

Your wife lives in a world where sex and gender are not separate but you live in a world where they are and the two of you are in a marriage.

Your marriage is a microcosm of the same drama being played out all over the world.

This drama is being fought in the churches, courts, streets, schools and everywhere else where two or more people gather and it is a drama that has always been with us.

Ultimately it is a drama fought between the majority where sex and gender are the same thing versus the minority where sex and gender are separate.

The LGBT are a minority and within this minority is another minority and they are called Transsexuals because we represent the greatest separation between sex and gender.

A Transsexual confronts others with their most basic and primal fears.

Our identity as our existence directly threatens others identity as their existence.

On some level when a person transitions in a marriage it is felt at it's deepest place as a question of who lives and who dies as their identity.

When I would enter into a intimate relationship with a woman I would feel this acutely as a black and white choice between who would live and who would die while being drawn to the relationship for life as identity.

I had no self (GID) so would look to find it in a woman through her but I instinctively knew that if I did this it would be the death of me by stopping my "becoming"

I felt the existential fear of nothingness that pushed me into a relationship but than the relationship by its gender based expectations pushed me deeper into my existential terror so I was both relieved of my deepest fear (non-existence) while having it provoked (non-existence).

I felt trapped between two needs and two forces that would push me toward and pulled me away at the same time so my GID was both eased but also increased.

I cannot imagine how a transsexual could ever escape this tension while in a marriage unless their partner is willing to let go of their own identity and endure what the transsexual endures.

Their partner would have to bend so the transsexual does not break or the marriage breaks by the destruction or salvation of the transsexual.

Rogina B
07-21-2013, 08:30 PM
Barbara, Does your wife believe the HRT is just a form of "happy pills"? You never mentioned how much she has or hasn't[obviously] been involved in your identifying your gender issues so late in your life and your marriage. Seems like she has no feeling for how much this is effecting you.

ArleneRaquel
07-21-2013, 08:33 PM
Barbara,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, fears, and hopes. Your post has moved me to tears. Best Wishes ALWAYS !