Becoming too mainstream?

[heathr1]

Do you think Crossdressing is or may be coming too mainstream?

I do.

Does being too mainstream ever detract from the attraction of dressing?

[audreyinalbany]

I don't get the sense that it's becoming mainstream although it probably is tolerated more than it used to be simply because the social climate is generally more tolerant than it was twenty or thirty years ago.

[Jenniferathome]

Mainstream?! Are you joking? Cross dressing is absolutely still a taboo and as far from mainstream as you can get.

[suzy1]

Mainstream?! Are you joking? Cross dressing is absolutely still a taboo and as far from mainstream as you can get.

No Jenifer, its even more than that!:eek:

[Meg East]

Mainstream?! Are you joking? Cross dressing is absolutely still a taboo and as far from mainstream as you can get.


I agree, even in the more "accepting" parts of the country we are way out on the fringe.

[heathr1]

Sorry, I did not make myself clear.....My fault.

By mainstream, I mean a lot of people/many more crossdressing, even if it is not accepted.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

Hey if you just want to freak people out and be special I would recommend dressing as a mouse and frequenting cheese shops.

[mariehart]

If there are more people crossdressing it's because there's more access to information on the subject and it is more visible at least in media terms.

But the desire to crossdress is hardly new and is documented going back many years even though most of us at some time or other have felt completely alone.

I think it's more likely that more people admit to it than ever.

[Jenniferathome]

...By mainstream, I mean a lot of people/many more crossdressing, even if it is not accepted.

OK, how did you count them?

No, "more" are not cross dressing. This site allows the very small percentage that do, an outlet. We are shadow people at best

[suchacutie]

I do agree that the existence of the transgender community is becoming known more generally. I certainly have witnessed this trend around me in everyday life, including coworkers moving to fulltime in their M to F lifestyle. The increased presence of the transgender community could easily translate into more people venturing to explore and maybe accept what was hidden inside of them. I was "male" for 55 years before Tina appeared one day. I wonder how many more will experience this revelation as time goes on and information flow increases?

[arbon]

There are a lot more gender diverse people out and about. CD's, TG, and TS's. There is more public awareness and understanding compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago.

Its not a bad thing. I think people should be comfortable dressing as they feel and going out without fear. Make it normal.

[Tara Power]

By saying "too mainstream" it makes it sound like a bad thing.
Kings Of Leon are mainstream, but I liked them before they were big and still do now.
Just as long as all these mainstream crossdressers don't sell out then I am happy

:P

[MysticLady]

Do you think Crossdressing is or may be coming too mainstream?


Well, it's about time.......giggles

[Rachael Leigh]

I don't think its more mainstream, but it does seem that clothing for men seem to be crossing over more toward the female styles and colors

[~Joanne~]

There are a lot more gender diverse people out and about. CD's, TG, and TS's. There is more public awareness and understanding compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago.

I agree with Arbon. I don't think it's as mainstream as you are making it out to be BUT there sure are a lot more tolerant people than there use to be. Maybe it's just me, or I have become a magnet for all things TG, but it seems there (and I am at a lost for exact words here) are more and more TG related things surrounding me these days than there has ever been in the past.

[Beverley Sims]

Heathr,
I think you have been reading too much of the forum.
It is slowly being accepted more in some areas, but others.....

[Kate Simmons]

Kind of doubtful my friend. Even if it was we are all unique individuals with our own unique styles.:battingeyelashes::)

[Trishpdxcd2]

I do think there is more acceptance of gender fluid people but I would hardly call it mainstream. I live in a liberal city but I don't know that I have ever seen a cd out in public. Well maybe I have and she was so passable I didn't notice. But being a cd, I do look all the time when not dressed and I never see a cd out.

[Jaymees22]

I think it may appear more mainstream because of the internet and it's just easier for us to find more of us. But in the real world we are a very small (but cute) minority. Hugs Jaymee

[Chickhe]

...maybe when it does become mainstream, its going to be after people get bored of tattoos, piercings, for example. It will be the in thing to do. Wait...actually that already happened a little in the 80's with rock stars and recently in the fashion industry. It is going to happen in waves until finally all the kids do it al the time. Maybe it will be a social movement to show all the parents how wrong they were about gender discrimination....

...over the decades, I have noticed there is a huge shift to acceptance in the general population. But, as we see for many other things it takes generations to evolve....unless if you are in certain parts of the world where nothing seems to improve.

[sometimes_miss]

Sorry, I did not make myself clear.....My fault.

By mainstream, I mean a lot of people/many more crossdressing, even if it is not accepted.

The pink fog runs deep with this one. I suggest a lot of time on hot, sandy beaches, watching the babes who REALLY look good in bikinis.

[Emma England]

Crossdressers make up only a small percentage of the population.

Just because this forum has lots of posts and threads, does not make it mainstream.

Just think about the number of members on this forum (over 27,000), compared to the number of muggles that use facebook (well over 1 billion).

[Lorileah]

Just think about the number of members on this forum (over 27,000), compared to the number of muggles that use facebook (well over 1 billion).

Yeah but we are far more exclusive than Faceplate

[heathr1]

Lorileah,

Yes, we are far more exclusive.

[julia marie]

Nope, not mainstream, but probably much closer to acceptance than 10-20 years ago. Mainstream in 10-20 years from now? Maybe, but definitely even more accepted.

[susan54]

I can remember 20 years ago feeling I had to buy the Tranny guide to identify shops in London that would allow me to try stuff on. Now I go to places like the supposedly traditional York and the N of Scotland and seldom encounter anyone who is not completely accepting and helpful. It is VERY rare to be refused to try things on when dressed as a man and no problems of any kind dressed as a woman. I remember asking Long Tall Sally in Aberdeen (now sadly closed) if they get many men buying for themselves and they said it happened so often they regarded it as normal. OK, I still don't fell I can go to work in a skirt or dress - not because it would not be allowed - it certainly would - but because of possible impact on my professional credibility. I might be inventing this last bit and failing to give those I work with insufficient credit but I would rather not take the chance.

So not mainstream, but very accepted.

[Rebecca W.]

OK, how did you count them?

No, "more" are not cross dressing. This site allows the very small percentage that do, an outlet. We are shadow people at best

So true, "shadow people" is a good way to define how mainstream we are. It is also true that the internet has enabled us to chat with fellow crossdressers from all over the world. Think about how many fellow crossdressers we would ever meet otherwise?

[kimdl93]

It wouldn't matter to me. If the entire US congress was filled with cross dressers, that would be their business, individually. I don't dress for a rush or to attract attention. I dress to express who I am as a person.

[Rachel Morley]

I don't think we are "mainstream" but I do think that perhaps the term "transgender" is getting a little more known out there. Things like News, TV and media articles about princess boys and TS children going to school as the gender they identify as etc do seem more prevalent than they used to be. You asked does it ever detract from the attraction of dressing? No way, not for me it doesn't.

[Seana Summer]

The great thing about this Forum is that we know there are many others out there. But mtf CDing is no where near mainstream imo. There is hope that sometime in my lifetime it may be accepted as younger people seem to be far more accepting of alternative lifestyles than many in the older generations. Imagine how the discussion of same sex marriage would have gone 20 years ago. We have come a long way!

[Emma England]

So true, "shadow people" is a good way to define how mainstream we are. It is also true that the internet has enabled us to chat with fellow crossdressers from all over the world. Think about how many fellow crossdressers we would ever meet otherwise?

For me, that would be zero. I have never met a cd offline.

[Frédérique]

Becoming too mainstream? Do you think Crossdressing is or may be coming too mainstream? I do.

Not in this neck of the woods, it isn’t. I’m the ONLY crossdresser around for miles; in fact they should put this sign on the Interstate (to attract tourists): CROSSDRESSER – NEXT EXIT! I may very well be one of the local “points of interest,” you know…
:battingeyelashes:

[dominique]

mainstream no, acceptence yes. I suspect that many more women's shops have seen a increase in us buying clothes from them and I think they're the best people to judge that.

[Nicole Erin]

More shows have had TS on them. Unlike the old days of talk shows when some of them looked bad or acted like asses though, today they are usually displayed in a positive light. Yeah sure there is the occasional bank robber who was dressed as a woman but normally it is like Miss Canada, Kim Petra, Chaz Bono or whatever.

Everyday people still don't really know the difference between TG, TS, CD, DQ etc so to most people we are all the same. Luckily, a lot of the sheeple out there don't have as much problem with it.
I think overall things have shifted for the better. I don't think it will be 100% normal anytime soon. Eventually perhaps.

[Tina_gm]

What if..... one day everyone suddenly did not care at all. Let's say that the percentage of cd's was the same, but nobody, not friends, family, so's, nobody cared whatsoever how we dressed or act.... Now I am sure that is fantasy for many, or so they think. And I am sure there are many who would find life much easier to live if that was the case. But, with every barrier suddenly taken down, I would be willing to bet that there are many cd's who would suddenly not like it. I even wonder at some point if I would even be 100% happier if this happened. And I am among those who dress for comfort and relaxation. I don't fully transform, or go out in public. I know that I would be happier if this happened (full acceptance) but I can't say that there isn't part of me that would sometimes miss the feeling of being so different and doing something so many find uncomfortable at the least. Gone would be looking forward to dressing. Gone would be that feeling when the clothes 1st get put on. I do think I would miss that.

[Rebecca W.]

What if..... one day everyone suddenly did not care at all. Let's say that the percentage of cd's was the same, but nobody, not friends, family, so's, nobody cared whatsoever how we dressed or act.... Now I am sure that is fantasy for many, or so they think. And I am sure there are many who would find life much easier to live if that was the case. But, with every barrier suddenly taken down, I would be willing to bet that there are many cd's who would suddenly not like it. I even wonder at some point if I would even be 100% happier if this happened. And I am among those who dress for comfort and relaxation. I don't fully transform, or go out in public. I know that I would be happier if this happened (full acceptance) but I can't say that there isn't part of me that would sometimes miss the feeling of being so different and doing something so many find uncomfortable at the least. Gone would be looking forward to dressing. Gone would be that feeling when the clothes 1st get put on. I do think I would miss that.

There will always be a "thrill" in being different. If it was totally accepted, what would be the thrill of crossdressing. It still would be nice to wear, what you desired and not have to worry about what the acceptance level would be. People can be harsh or just plain threatening towards our clothing choices. It sure would reduce my stress level on crossdressing. Maybe someday it will happen?

[jodie k]

in the news-transgender named class queen; younger one allowed too use girls room; and those voilent stories bout murders etc. Much more recognize in films. tv , books too----and the internet has blossomed with shops and sites since maybe 15 years :
i dont worry about mainstream or not, but am happy that the mainstream is more aware of it.]]

jodie:brolleyes:

[bimini1]

No. Naw, uh uh, no naa naa, not more mainstream. At least from where I sit.

[Emma Leigh]

But the desire to crossdress is hardly new and is documented going back many years even though most of us at some time or other have felt completely alone.



Its said factions of the Ancient Greeks crossdressed...seeing what they wore back then ...how could you tell????

[dsmth]

Heathr1,
Since many/everybody that have responded so far seem to disagree with you (about it being too mainstream) why don't you explain more about what you've observed to suggest it being "mainstream"? It has not gotten to any level of acceptance that makes me happy as of yet. However I will say that from where I live at least, I am seeing crossdressers around more than ever before. Maybe not head-to-toe so much but at least partially... Such as men wearing tights with shorts, say... I've seen perhaps 3 within the last week. Still I don't feel that this is significant enough. Still I don't feel free myself.

[NathalieX66]

No, not at all.

Gender is not an absolute binary. We all express our genders in different ways. We, meaning myself, and those who are on this forum, are just merely brave enough and honest with ourselves to be able to express ourselves as we feel.

Society has now become hammered with the term "LGBT", and many of us fit the T part. I certainly identify as T, even though I haven't transitioned to female. All I can say is that being out & about in public, presenting as female, people have treated me great. That being said, there really is no more frontier for me. Unless I decide to transition, I am really at the end of my road as far as my gender presentation in public. I'm female as often as I want to be, and often as I am able. That's a very awesome place for me.

As far as mainstream? Who cares.
I live as I feel. The Canadian rock band Rush did a song called Free Will. I choose free will.

[linda allen]

No I don't. When I see a newscaster on the six o'clock news and he(she) is presenting the news, not the subject of the news, crossdressing will be mainstream. When I am pulled over by a crossdressed police officer, crossdressing will be mainstream. When the preacher in the local (insert whatever denomination here) church is crossdressed, crossdressing will be mainstream. When my elected representative show up for congress crossdressed, crossdressing will be mainstream.

It is not now and is unlikely to ever become "mainstream".

[Suzanne F]

No, not at all.

Gender is not an absolute binary. We all express our genders in different ways. We, meaning myself, and those who are on this forum, are just merely brave enough and honest with ourselves to be able to express ourselves as we feel.

Society has now become hammered with the term "LGBT", and many of us fit the T part. I certainly identify as T, even though I haven't transitioned to female. All I can say is that being out & about in public, presenting as female, people have treated me great. That being said, there really is no more frontier for me. Unless I decide to transition, I am really at the end of my road as far as my gender presentation in public. I'm female as often as I want to be, and often as I am able. That's a very awesome place for me.

As far as mainstream? Who cares.
I live as I feel. The Canadian rock band Rush did a song called Free Will. I choose free will.


Great Post! I am in the same place. Love the Rush quote!
Suzanne

[Lainie]

I don't see any evidence that CDing has become mainstream. When have you ever gone anywhere and seen a cross dresser in public, other than at a planned cross-dressing event? Have you ever seen a cross dresser in a grocery store? Walking around in the mall? Many of us have done both, but how many have chanced on a stranger CDing?
What would "mainstream" look like? If 5% of men cross dress frequently, & 20% were mainstreaming, then everywhere you go 1 in a 100 men would be wearing a skirt or dress. Not happening.

[Khaleesi81]

Not mainstream, but certainly more accepted. Most of the older CDs at my support group say things are much easier now than they were 30 years ago.

[BillieJoEllen]

At least we don't need to be afraid of being arrested if we're out and about CDing. At least that fear is gone. (Of course that is if you didn't commit a crime.

[Mink]

man if crossdressing becomes all mainstream all the hipster crossdressers will be totally pissed!