I am a Homosexual

[MysticLady]

There I said it.

Hi All

I have been reading the threads about liking or wanting men while dressed or not dressed or married or not married. Bi sexual this and not bisexual that, lesbian here but not there. Basically, it's homosexuality, period. I love men, but my preference is not what a GG might like. I have no problem telling a man that he's beautiful, in person or from his pictures. I prefer men that crossdress because that is what appeals too me. I would have no problem in being intimate w/ a beautiful man. I'm married to a woman and have children. I am not bi or a lesbian, I am a homosexual. It's erotic too me. It's in my blood just as it's in yours. Homosexuality is human nature just as making a buck. There are many here who adamantly yell out that they are not homosexuals only bi or lesbians when dressed :facepalm:. Who are you kidding? Yourself? Does it not bother your conscious as much if you're labeled a lesbian and not a homosexual? I understand that most married men say they are not homosexuals just to save face from their wives and family. But, we are what we are.:straightface:

Now, that that's off my chest, everyone can go back too sleep:heehee:

[Kate Simmons]

Yes I know what you mean as many will "dance around" the fact that they are or could be attracted to men. It ain't rocket science Hon, we are or we aren't. When we get to the point where the love for a person is primary and the gender is secondary, then we have evolved as a full spectrum person and any intimacy is really our own business. Simple really. What comes to my mind when people overtly deny being gay is Queen Gertrude in Hamlet saying:"The lady doth protest oo much, methinks.":battingeyelashes::)

[Marleena]

IDK, Victoria it sounds to me like you're taking one for the whole team!:heehee:

I'm homosexual too, I'm a lesbian! Who was I trying to kid?:D

[ArleneRaquel]

Victoria,
Thank you for sharing,,,,Good Luck, Best Wishes, & HUGS darlin !

[robindee36]

Hummmmmm. Here we go with the little boxes again. In the now famous words of a less famous politician, what does it matter????

I dress as a woman and enjoy intimacy with others that do the same. Have no desire to take on a man, only crossdressers, Tgirls, gurls, what ever you call us. I understand the equipment is the same, mostly, but its the packaging that holds the attraction.

So what is the name of my little box Victoria???

Hugs, Robin

[LeaP]

Congratulations on being honest with yourself. It's too rare an occurrence.

[MysticLady]

So what is the name of my little box Victoria???

Hugs, Robin

Ah........Homosexual:D

[jenni_xx]

I genuinely don't know how to take your post. That is, how you intend it to be taken. I suspect that you're taking on the role of Devil's advocate.

Let's take it at face value - usually a good way to start, although perhaps a little naive. You say you're homosexual. Good for you. You say you're married with children. So how does your wife and children feel about your homosexuality? After all, your wife is of a gender that you, as a homosexual, are not attracted to.

Ah, no, for that reason, it's impossible to take your post at face value then.

Which means that your post is intended as an observation, or if we don't wish to beat around the bush, a dig, at others. Hence your comment "Who are you kidding?".

Yes, that seems much more the likely intent of your post.

Which means you're attempting to speak for others then. Well, good luck with that. That is, speaking about things that you really have no clue about.

[MysticLady]

Which means you're attempting to speak for others then. Well, good luck with that. That is, speaking about things that you really have no clue about.

It seems like I don't have a clue about a great many things, according to some. I guess "I" can say that "I'm" clueless. Just another of life's secrets:straightface:

[Marleena]

Jenni I don't take anything Victoria says seriously anymore. If she can find her marriage problems as humorous then, well we have the answer. It's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt. I'm sure her wife would just love this post, serious or not.

[jenni_xx]

I didn't take her post seriously. I gave it the contempt it deserves.

[AllieSF]

I understand your point of view to be honest with yourself and with others as far as you can. However, to my feeble old mind there is a difference between homosexual and bi-sexual. Homosexual being attracted only to the same gender as oneself while bi-sexual would be open to sexual relations with both genders. The ideal of bi-sexual, which I sometimes think is maybe the ideal situation and state of acceptance, would be one who can love, be with and have sexual relations with both genders. I.e. gender does not matter but the whole package does, physical, mental and all that stuff.

So, to help me out, where do you get your definition that one can not be bisexual?

[Frédérique]

Now, that that's off my chest, everyone can go back too sleep

But it's the middle of the afternoon and I'm wide awake! :eek:

I am a homosexual? Sure, WHY NOT? :battingeyelashes:

[MysticLady]

Jenni I don't take anything Victoria says seriously anymore.

Thank You Marleena, for that vote of confidence. I guess saying I'm a crossdresser is also fun and games. Interesting response.


I didn't take her post seriously. I gave it the contempt it deserves.

Jenni, it's ok to voice your thoughts, I appreciate your honesty. But, I ask for your respect on my thoughts as I do yours.



I am a homosexual? Sure, WHY NOT? :battingeyelashes:

YAY.............Another Honest person:hugs:

[arbon]

At least you have some clarity about it! :)

Me - I really like guys, I fantasize about them
but am in love with a woman,
I live full time and identify as a woman myself
but I still have a ......
and sometimes I am attracted to trans women
and I really adore trans men

Homosexual? Gay? Lesbian? Bi? Queer?
Pretty sure I am not exactly straight.

I don't know, don't care.

[NicoleScott]

Can't anybody say they're straight anymore without hearing "you're just in denial"?

[ReineD]

Does your wife know, and if she does would it affect her desire to get back with you? (assuming that she wants to resume your marriage?)

Congratulations on having achieved clarity. This will help as you determine your future path.

[PaulaQ]

Account hacked???

[MysticLady]

Account hacked???

:heehee:..........you're so funny, Paula.

[whowhatwhen]

"And furthermore WHY AREN'T THERE ANY STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADES?! HUH? HUH?!"
... :P

Congrats, we're all queer down here.
And when you're down here YOU'LL BE QUEER TOO!

[paulaprimo]

hi victoria,

i totally agree with you! "we are what we are" and yes i'm a...a...a...ya know, that thing you mentioned...and proud of it!
i'm kinda like the old ivory snow girl, 99 44/100's straight...but the 56/100th part of me is my favorite! :D

[Jodie_Lynn]

I love labels! Let's put them on everything! :)






Edited to remove possibly offensive comment.

[Lorileah]

OK kids, this is really borderline. You know the rules. No flaming or disparaging other members. Also, posting things with the intent of starting arguments isn't allowed either. So keep it on the right side or it will be gone. Got it?

[Beverley Sims]

If I worried about labels I would lose a lot of sleep.
I just go with the flow and enjoy the moment.:)

Corinne,
That has to be the question of the day.
" WHY AREN'T THERE ANY STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADES?! HUH? HUH?!" :)

[whowhatwhen]

Certain politically aligned radio stations on a certain frequency band often have people literally call in and say that. People actually think the other 364 days of the year aren't enough.

[AmyGaleRT]

Well, good for you, Victoria! My brother is homosexual, too, as is his husband. :)

(Neither of them are CDs...as far as I know. ;) )

- Amy

[NathalieX66]

All folks are included in my world, welcome aboard....except for you NY Yankees fans. I hate A-Rod, and the NY Yankees.

[whowhatwhen]

Some gay guys like a rod every now and then.
... I'll let myself out.

[NathalieX66]

I wish I was gay. I would much prefer being a dude who likes other dudes instead of being a poor old sap that prefers to dress a female. Such is life. :sad:

[Shellycd12]

Thank you well said.

Hugs, Shelly

[rita63]

What can I say when I have a man I fantasize about women and when I'm with a woman I dream of men. I am probably more asexual or pan sexual, I am mainly interested in the person not their gender. Sex can be earth shaking with either if you care about them.

hugs rita

[Dalva]

I don't know what to call myself. I can only say, in the immortal words of Popeye " I Yam what I Yam". I prefer to be with other CD's, sexually (and also platonically). If I'm to be labeled as a homosexual, then so be it.

That said, it's a shame that we have to resort to pigeon holing ourselves. After all, we are just a bunch of different minded people who, for some of us, are just trying to make our way in this world without being judged for who we are when we should be judged for what we do instead. By that I mean, what we accomplish in life, what good we do and hopefully a positive legacy, whether recognized by many or just those who knew us.

Regardless, Mystic Lady, or Victoria, I'm happy for you that this revelation or self awareness of yours, whether new or not, has given you some peace of mind. Good for you.

[Amanda M]

Sexuality 101.
You are male, and you are sexually attracted to males only, whether dressed or not, you're homosexual.
You are male, and you are sexually attracted to women only, whether dressed or not, you're heterosexual.
You are male, and you are sexually attracted to females or males , whether dressed or not, you're bisexual.
End of course.

What is all the fuss about?????

[kittypw GG]

At least you have some clarity about it! :)

Me - I really like guys, I fantasize about them
but am in love with a woman,
I live full time and identify as a woman myself
but I still have a ......
and sometimes I am attracted to trans women
and I really adore trans men

Homosexual? Gay? Lesbian? Bi? Queer?
Pretty sure I am not exactly straight.

I don't know, don't care.

Perfectly honest response, thank you. There is nothing wrong with one's sexual preferences whatever they are. I have a huge problem with the "Majority of cd's are straight" crap "they" and my ex tried to get me to believe. And I did for a while until I really got to know this community and discovered the truth for myself. Pretty sure the majority of cd's are not exactly straight either. Now that I know the truth I can make informed choices about my partners.

[MysticLady]

So, to help me out, where do you get your definition that one can not be bisexual?

Hi Allie, the way I see it, as a man, if you like only women then you're normal in societies eyes. If you like men, also, then you're a homosexual. Simple really.


Does your wife know, and if she does would it affect her desire to get back with you? (assuming that she wants to resume your marriage?)

Congratulations on having achieved clarity. This will help as you determine your future path.

Hi Reine, I've learned that, my wife does not need too know everything. She can't handle the truth, as I've learn. Just like my dressing. Why, disrupt her own little perfect world. I will do my best too keep shielded from this awful(I'm sure that would be her thoughts) truth.


"And furthermore WHY AREN'T THERE ANY STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADES?! HUH? HUH?!"
... :P


Hi Corrine, I'm sure in a few years, some "brainiac" will start the ball rolling on that. you watch:heehee:


hi victoria,
i'm kinda like the old ivory snow girl, 99 44/100's straight...but the 56/100th part of me is my favorite! :D

Hi Paula, Yay for you Sweetie.:hugs:


So keep it on the right side or it will be gone. Got it?

Yes, super minion. I will follow your orders.:heehee: You know Lori, Minions, are really cute.:D


All folks are included in my world, welcome aboard....except for you NY Yankees fans. I hate A-Rod, and the NY Yankees.

Natalie, I'll bet you a penny, that Arod is a closeted Homosexual :straightface:


Sex can be earth shaking with either if you care about them.

Wise words from wise Girl.:D


I have a huge problem with the "Majority of cd's are straight" crap "they" and my ex tried to get me to believe.

Kitty, that's the reason for my post. You know, I was thinking the same. I mean, if you fantasize about have intimacy w/ a crossdresser knowing what they have then, your a Homosexual, in my book. You don't even have too live the experience to be. If you think it, you're doing it. A very wise man taught me that. I can guarantee that the only men that don't think it are men that don't have access too it. So, I think it, so I want too live it. Sorry, that's just me. :straightface: I bet, a lot of guys don't share their deep fantasies w/ their wives.

[Jenniferathome]

... There is nothing wrong with one's sexual preferences whatever they are. I have a huge problem with the "Majority of cd's are straight" crap "they" and my ex tried to get me to believe. And I did for a while until I really got to know this community and discovered the truth for myself. Pretty sure the majority of cd's are not exactly straight either.

Kitty, please do not allow the vocal minority to convince you of a truth that is not. Cross dressers are usually straight. Some bi and gay cross dressers thought or belived they are straight but never have been. They are the minority

[whowhatwhen]

Whoa whoa whoa.
IMHO Crossdressers are definitely a bit queer but that's a whole different can of worms than being gay or even BI.

Gay men are attracted to men, masculinity.
They generally have no interest in crossdressers because they're not looking for femininity, well, except if you're into feminine men but that's different.

The point is that gay men are attracted to men unconditionally, there are no rules or special circumstances driving what they're attracted to.
I wouldn't even call 2 "straight"/queer CDs having sex gay because both are incapable of having a real homosexual relationship. If you're not attracted to the vanilla male form then the whole thing breaks down pretty quick.

Why is it that straight, cis people are obsessed with assigning a sexual orientation to people?

[biggirlsarah]

Why do you feel you have to share this revelation with us we don't matter, tell those who do matter your wife and kids.

[Princess Chantal]

I have no arguments with the general statement that the majority of crossdressers are straight. The majority of men who crossdress do not go much further than wearing a few articles of feminine clothing, as well. In my experiences and observations since engaging in the local community is that the assumed high percentage of heterosexuality in crossdressing dwindles with those that are in the minority of crossdressing (those that do more than wear just clothing)

[ReineD]

Cross dressers are usually straight.

Jenn, although it's hard to separate the reality from the fantasy in all the "Do you want to be with men" threads, well over 50% of the respondents in those threads say they are attracted to men.

Homosexual means no attraction to women whatsoever though, in fact I imagine that many homosexual men are turned off with the thought of being with a woman, as are all the women who are not lesbian. But I just cannot comprehend how someone who was married all these years and has kids and whose body has not been altered with hormones and SRS, didn't realize an attraction to men before this, not even a slight one.

Mystic, how long have you known or suspected, and have you been with a man yet to test it out? Or is starting this thread a creative way to let others know what you've been up to? :p

But, if you are sure that you are homosexual and it will stay this way, then again congratulations on having achieved the clarity. We had a thread a while back asking how the homosexual CDers were doing with partners, and the news was not good there either. I was astounded to discover that homosexual men generally have difficulty accepting feminine men just as much as GGs.

Here's the thread, if you're interested. I think it's always a good idea to know what we're up against, in terms of averages: http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?138715-hey-how-are-my-gay-male-crossdressers-doing&highlight=gay+friends+doing+how

[ruthie801]

I have to agree that there is a lot of dancing around the "Homosexual label" If your a guy dressed as a woman and then have sex with another guy who is dressed as a woman well... It is what it is

[PaulaQ]

If your a guy dressed as a woman and then have sex with another guy who is dressed as a woman well... It is what it is

Sure, they are lesbians, right?

In the crazy mixed up world of gender identity, gender relative terms are not actually very helpful...

Lots of gay people come out later in life, btw. I go to a center every week where they have classes on how to do this. There are plenty of gay men and women who are married to a partner of the opposite sex. The acceptance of gays and lesbians has come a long way, but coming out as gay has many of the same issues as coming out as trans - it is an excellent way for some people to alienate almost every single person they know, including their families. It's better now than it used to be, but there is still puh-lenty of reason to hide this from everyone in your life, including yourself.

Look - if you are a heterosexual cisgendered individual, your life is just a LOT simpler, and that's the truth. The further away from the "norm" that you are, the more likely it is that some people won't accept you, and if those people are your family or friends, well, that's just devastating, and is plenty of motivation for people to stay closeted or even to deny to themselves what their sexuality is.

[whowhatwhen]

How are people missing that in order to be gay you need to find the same sex attractive all the time, it's not conditional on dress or whether or not it's a full moon.
"Not straight" is not the same as being gay, two "straight" crossdressers are probably not going to have a well functioning gay relationship because in their natural state they won't be attracted to each other.

[PaulaQ]

How are people missing that in order to be gay you need to find the same sex attractive all the time, it's not conditional on dress or whether or not it's a full moon.


I think this oversimplifies the matter, a LOT. There are straight people who've once in a while had a same sex relationships. There are gay people who've had opposite sex relationships at times. (I'm not talking people who are bisexual either.) I believe sexual orientation is also a spectrum. I mean lookit - there are a LOT of gay parents. How do you think THAT happened, exactly?

As for the people on these threads who post "attracted to men while CDing," my bet is most of 'em are actually straight. You can fantasize about the same sex and not be gay.

[whowhatwhen]

What I meant is that it's impossible to have a relationship with someone you're not attracted to.
If you're only attracted to a guy when he's crossdressed then chances are any attempt at a relationship would fail.

[Erica Marie]

Lets just settle this peacefully.

We are all SEXUAL, In some form or fashion whichever suits you best. Lets leave the labels up to the clothing manufactures not the people wearing them. So some of us like girls, some of us like guys, some of only like guys if they are dressed. So if we get rid of all the labels then no one is right and no one is wrong. Yeah now we can all be happy together :)

[PaulaQ]

@corinne - ok, gotcha, and i agree with you on that

[Kate Simmons]

What I seem to be seeing by a lot of these responses is that it's more preferable to be a lesbian (two T-Girls) than a gay male (T-Girl and guy). I'm not getting that.:)

[Dianne S]

I'm married to a woman and have children.

Hmm. And you say "I am a Homosexual"? Don't you think that will put a lot of strain on your marriage?


I understand that most married men say they are not homosexuals just to save face from their wives and family.

Maybe so, but I really am heterosexual. I love to make love with my wife; it's the most enjoyable and fulfilling thing I can think of. Maybe under the right circumstances I could be attracted to a man, but it hasn't happened yet and I'm over forty...

[PaulaQ]

What I seem to be seeing by a lot of these responses is that it's more preferable to be a lesbian (two T-Girls) than a gay male (T-Girl and guy). I'm not getting that.:)

Wouldn't a t-girl and a guy make the t-girl straight? That's how it seems to me.

There are lots of gynephillic people here, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that lesbianism abounds. Don't judge, kthx? ;)

[arbon]

Wouldn't a t-girl and a guy make the t-girl straight? That's how it seems to me.




Does she still have a penis? I have a very strong attraction to men, a very strong female identity....
but I still have that down bellow, and I don't think as long as I do I could be considered straight, or gay, or lesbian
I don't even feel right to say I would be straight if I was only attracted to men.
It all depends on how someone looks at it.


I tried to get away with being straight not long ago, it was so funny to
I had a friend going to reno and I was going to go with her.
We were going to stay at her sister and brother in laws place.
A day or two before we were to leave my friend came to me and said there was a problem,
that her brother in law was homophobic and did not think he would be comfortable with me at their house,
I told my friend well thats not a problem, I like guys!

And her eyes just bulged, and she did not know what to say, just silence
well if you were there it was pretty hilarious.

still did not get to go

[Amanda22]

Well, I am a genetic male who crossdresses and I'm only attracted to genetic females. Whether I'm in the minority, majority, or have a label doesn't really change anything. Hooray for everyone. I guess I'm really confused by this thread. I thought it was going to be a personal statement but seems to really be about labeling many others. And we complain about labels!

[Kate Simmons]

Sounds to me like it's basically semantics Mandy.:)

[Kandy Barr]

ooooweeee, I'm not touching this one with a 10 foot pole..... your's, mine, or anyone else's for that matter... K

[PaulaQ]

Does she still have a penis? I have a very strong attraction to men, a very strong female identity....
but I still have that down bellow, and I don't think as long as I do I could be considered straight, or gay, or lesbian

I think gender relative terms are actually pretty useless and confusing in this case. But yeah, I don't see that surgery makes a difference - gender is in your head, anyway. Sure, it may make a difference to the law, but the law doesn't have to be bound by little things like reality.


I tried to get away with being straight not long ago, it was so funny to
I had a friend going to reno and I was going to go with her.
We were going to stay at her sister and brother in laws place.
A day or two before we were to leave my friend came to me and said there was a problem,
that her brother in law was homophobic and did not think he would be comfortable with me at their house,
I told my friend well thats not a problem, I like guys!


I'm sorry you didn't get to go, but that really is quite funny!

[Alice Torn]

Sometimes, i think it would be easier being homosexual, then hetero, as it seems today, it is far easier to find a gay friend or lover, than it is to be hetero and find the eternally elusive right woman, or even find a date witha gg.

[sometimes_miss]

Just another thread started by someone who needs to feel good about himself, and he does it by declaring that everyone else is just like him. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat. However, I will also say that I am nothing like the OP. Now I feel good about myself too.

[MysticLady]

Hi Everyone

There's no need to get all roweled up. I not directing this at heterosexual dressers or men that prefer GG's. I was there once. Now, The erotic thoughts that come to mind of being w/ a CD or TS are fascinating too me. Therefore, I am a homosexual, which means I also like men but, not exclusively. I also like women and if it's less stress on your brain to call me Bisexual, I'll accept that. It really doesn't matter too me. I was talking of myself and others that have an attraction for the beauty in men, especially if they present female. From what I've read, many are attracted to CD's knowing what we are yet the attraction is the same or it intensifies because of the erotic thoughts that I have and others may also. Instead of a onesy, I'm a twosy. YAY, another label. :p

[darla_g]

Who are you kidding? Yourself? I can't really tell whether you are posting this tongue in cheek or not. Where i think you are making a critical mistake is assuming this applies to anyone, but yourself. If someone is that is fine, its their choice. But count me out.

[MysticLady]

Mystic, how long have you known or suspected, and have you been with a man yet to test it out? Or is starting this thread a creative way to let others know what you've been up to? :p

If you only knew:heehee:. Thanks Reine for the info. Let me put this way since I don't like to share my sexual experiences. Having erotic sex is fantastic but, it's not for everyone. There will be ones that will fantasize but never experience it. There's nothing wrong with that and it's understandable because of commitments and/or situations. Plus, there's nothing wrong w/ being straight either. Different preferences for different people.

[PaulaQ]

I wonder if I'd cause controversy if I started a thread titled that? Right now, the thought of having sex with, well, anyone of any gender is so repulsive to me that I can't even think about it without getting squeamish. I'm hoping I have a sex life again someday - I don't even care which way it goes. Right now though - just yuck, I have the wrong plumbing for any purpose I care to contemplate.

So, since I have no dog in this fight, I say I'm unsure on whether or not Victoria is actually a homosexual or not.

[joyce483]

Hmmm...I think I will go to Squirt and watch a video!!!

[Kate Simmons]

I think Victoria is actually just herself. She brings out a valid point, though. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. "Nuff said!:battingeyelashes::)

[JoanneCDSydney]

one of you said...
"Homosexual? Gay? Lesbian? Bi? Queer?
Pretty sure I am not exactly straight.

I don't know, don't care."

this is my feelings too...

[NathalieX66]

What else could I say? Everyone is gay.
-lyrics from the song All Apologies by Nirvana (Kurt Cobain)

Me, I'm cool with everyone on the LGBT spectrum. Peace & love to all. I love this planet!

[Marleena]

Thank You Marleena, for that vote of confidence. I guess saying I'm a crossdresser is also fun and games. Interesting response.


I'm just calling it like I see it Victoria. One only has to look at the majority of your posts and see all the smilie faces and joking around. I never said anything about your CDing either. Besides we all know the majority of Cders are straight. If you're truly gay, congrats for admitting it. Nobody here should think any less of you. Based on your previous posts I can't take this new revelation serious though.

[whowhatwhen]

I wonder if I'd cause controversy if I started a thread titled that? Right now, the thought of having sex with, well, anyone of any gender is so repulsive to me that I can't even think about it without getting squeamish. I'm hoping I have a sex life again someday - I don't even care which way it goes. Right now though - just yuck, I have the wrong plumbing for any purpose I care to contemplate.

So, since I have no dog in this fight, I say I'm unsure on whether or not Victoria is actually a homosexual or not.

I'm sort of the same, I'm not "repulsed" but I have way too many body image issues to even think about it.
Well, that an the whole anhedonia thing. Also I'm awkward as **** :)

I still fantasize about guys all the time though, my body/mind is such a jerk.
;)

[siantv2003]

Can't anybody say they're straight anymore without hearing "you're just in denial"?

A voice of reason and sense .. Thank you Nicole

[Lorileah]

There are gay people who've had opposite sex relationships at times. (I'm not talking people who are bisexual either.) I have a niece and a nephew to prove that.

Once again semantics here. If you are two men who are having sexual relations, that is gay sex...sorry. There is no bisexual sex, it is either gay or straight. I will agree though that if you ONLY want men as a male (and that includes some men who ONLY want CDs), then you are gay. If you fantasize about gay sex, you can be straight. If you like both sexes in any proportion you are Bi. But I still say if you are a male CD who uses their equipment on a woman you ain't lesbian, you are a straight man pretending to be a girl who is having straight sex with a woman. Post OP TSs who have sex with women can be lesbian. Try and have sex with a woman when you are a CD and don't involve your "part" in any manner. Betcha can't ;)

[MysticLady]

Yeah.....What Lori said. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7SzlT8MqE&feature=player_embedded

[PaulaQ]

Victoria could be pansexual...

@Lori - I could easily have sex with a woman (when I still did it) without using my penis. I never really liked using it, turns out.

What are pre-op TS girls who have sex with men? I just don't think gender relative terms make much sense once you aren't strictly talking about binary gender.

[nacracat]

Have come to the conclusion that your brain is plummed the way it is and nothing that makes you feel good is your fault so just accept it as you are a long time dead. I fancy CD's / TV's that pass but am hetro really so what box does that go in?? Still haven't told my girlfriend but I just may do. What we do doesn't make us bad people but just different from what is considered to be MALE. Just your head messing with you that's all!!

[TheMissus]

Hi Mystic. I haven't read the thread and don't plan on it. I doubt I'll be here much longer anyway - I think I've finally cracked under the weight of all this TG competitiveness!!

Anyway, I don't care if you're homosexual or not, I love you for being you! And thanks for helping out a GG along the way.

Next stop for me, the land without CD. Don't worry, I haven't got rid if the old man yet, but I plan on thinking about this a lot less than I have. This forum can do your head in! I don't know what it's like on your side of things but on this side it's rough going. Fortunately, I have good friends and alcohol. Kidding (sort of:)

Glad you're doing okay.

M xx

[Beth Wilde]

Now I'm definitely homosexual but I prefer being called gay. I am also sure gay CD's are a minority as it took me ages to find my partner (who is also a CD male)! No matter how either of us are dressed, we love each other and have made love in all of the 4 ways we could be dressed together!! :)

[Lexi_83]

Once again semantics here. If you are two men who are having sexual relations, that is gay sex...sorry. There is no bisexual sex, it is either gay or straight. I will agree though that if you ONLY want men as a male (and that includes some men who ONLY want CDs), then you are gay. If you fantasize about gay sex, you can be straight. If you like both sexes in any proportion you are Bi. But I still say if you are a male CD who uses their equipment on a woman you ain't lesbian, you are a straight man pretending to be a girl who is having straight sex with a woman. Post OP TSs who have sex with women can be lesbian. Try and have sex with a woman when you are a CD and don't involve your "part" in any manner. Betcha can't ;)I have. If you take certain hay fever needs you can be quite sure nothing is going on there. Faking orgasms turns out to be pretty easy.

Label sex as you want, that's always part fantasy while the lights are off. It's when you start having an emotional involvement that things get complicated. People dress up for dates and dates have an end point: you can leave before the sun comes up. Relationships are 24/7. And relationships come with friends and relatives who don't use the same labels.

[MysticLady]

Victoria could be pansexual...


:thinking:.....Now, there's an possibility.


Hi Mystic. I haven't read the thread and don't plan on it. I doubt I'll be here much longer anyway - I think I've finally cracked under the weight of all this TG competitiveness!!

Anyway, I don't care if you're homosexual or not, I love you for being you! And thanks for helping out a GG along the way.


Hi Sweetie, please don't go. I know that the Drama here sometimes gets overwhelming but don't let it get too you. I appreciate and love you for you also, and thank you for helping a GM along the way. Your comments and thoughts are always welcomed. :hugs:

[Jaylyn]

Mystic wow you do intrigue me. I bet you are fun to hang out with. I can say with an honest heart you and many others on here look great and I have felt a tingle down below just by looking at some of the beauty that has been displayed. Some of the guys on here do make awesomely beautiful looking females. I must say or maybe fantasy says I have wondered what it would be like to date or even dress and go out with those beautiful CDs. Usually when fantasy happens my female mode can only fathom so much then my male mode kicks in and says dummy you are not a bi, a GG, a lesbian, a TS or any other label you wanna call it. I am a CD that enjoys the attire of ladies clothes, accessories and makeup. Though I usually come back to reality after the arousal is gone I have thought that I need to meet you and bet we could have some fun in Austin. You are one of those good looking CDs on here that has piqued my curiosity from time to time. Now label me any way you want cause my shoulders are big and I'm old enough to not care but still big enough to fight or run like hell. ( maybe not as fast in heels though) lol

[PaulaQ]

The reason I mentioned pansexual is that you are OK with CDs / TG. There are many gay men, for example, who would find a CD or TG/TS person to be sexually unattractive. So this may be a better fit.

I wasn't familiar with this term until I heard one of my friend's sister use it to describe herself. I had to look it up, to be honest.

[MysticLady]

Some of the guys on here do make awesomely beautiful looking females. I must say or maybe fantasy says I have wondered what it would be like to date or even dress and go out with those beautiful CDs.

Hi Jaylyn, I agree, there are gorgeous people here and I would definitely love too party w/ all of them but, I don't have that kind of time or money. Plus. I'm not one just to limit myself to only "pretty people". I like hanging out w/ "cool" folks no matter what they look like.:)



Though I usually come back to reality after the arousal is gone I have thought that I need to meet you and bet we could have some fun in Austin.

Just let me know when you're in town, Sweetie, we'll turn the town Pink. I'm starting to get familiar w/ The Austin "underground" so we will definitely have a wonderful time


The reason I mentioned pansexual is that you are OK with CDs / TG. There are many gay men, for example, who would find a CD or TG/TS person to be sexually unattractive. So this may be a better fit.


You know Paula, I looked up Homosexual in the dictionary and this is what I found.

1ho·mo·sex·u·al
adjective \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\

: sexually attracted to people of the same sex

: based on or showing a sexual attraction to people of the same sex

So, when I say I'm a Homosexual, I mean it in way that I find guys attractive "en femme" and sometimes sexually. Is the lack of intimacy? Who knows. But none the less, I do and if I think it, I am it. Now, if I find a man sexually attractive while wearing a dress, the dress does not change anything, he's still a man so, I am a homosexual by definition. I don't see anything in the definition of being exclusive to wanting only the same sex. I love and enjoy loving GG's but, I don't mind experiencing an intimate experience w/ another CD or TS. So, that's why I say, I'm a homosexual just as I am a heterosexual. The type of man or woman I would chose too be with, is a preference, I believe. IMHO, Homosexuality is the umbrella that everything else falls under like gay, Bi, lesbian, and what ever other preferences there is out there. Anyway, am I correct in saying this?

[AmandaM]

Silly thread. No, I'm not gay or bi. I tried it, went all the way, didn't like it, havent done it again. I'm not attracted to men. Masculine, rough, hairy, angular jaws, no, does nothing for me. I don't look at them on the street, etc. But I am attracted to the "idea" of having sex "as" a woman, with either women or men. So, tell me, how does that make me bi? I know your answer, because we both have thingies. That would be the textbook definition of physical homosexual sex. But, do we define ourselves only on our physical bodies? Do only transsexuals get a pass if they have sex with men? Calling ourselves gay or bi does TG's no favor in understanding ourselves. I find those definitions to be insufficient in defining my inner core and I reject them.

[MysticLady]

Hi Amanda, Is it a silly thread?

Well, I wonder why this appears to offend some, I mean, who cares. A masculine or feminine man, does it make a difference? My preference would be a feminine man. Most GG's would prefer a masculine man. Some men's preferences are masculine men. Would they be more "gayer" than me? Anyway, I just thought this interesting and wanted too disccuss it. Plus, you really don't need too know what color are my undergarments:heehee:

[ReineD]

Mystic, in the post above mine, you wrote: "Well, I wonder why this appears to offend some, I mean, who cares."

It offended people because you made a blanket statement in your first post that was pulled strictly from your imagination:

There are many here who adamantly yell out that they are not homosexuals only bi or lesbians when dressed :facepalm:. Who are you kidding? Yourself? Does it not bother your conscious as much if you're labeled a lesbian and not a homosexual? I understand that most married men say they are not homosexuals just to save face from their wives and family. But, we are what we are.

You also later on came up with your own specialized definitions of sexual attraction when you said that anyone who has an interest in the opposite sex is either homosexual or lesbian.

So yeah, I'd say that your comments are controversial.

[MysticLady]

You know Paula, I looked up Homosexual in the dictionary and this is what I found.

1ho·mo·sex·u·al
adjective \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\

: sexually attracted to people of the same sex

: based on or showing a sexual attraction to people of the same sex




It offended people because you made a blanket statement in your first post that was pulled strictly from your imagination:

You also later on came up with your own specialized definitions of sexual attraction when you said that anyone who has an interest in the opposite sex is either homosexual or lesbian.

So yeah, I'd say that your comments are controversial.


Am I missing something here? Whaaaat? I guess, I'm misunderstanding you.

[Lorileah]

and being a "silly" thread that really was started as a troll, I think we are done with it.