Transsexuals Are Just Another Minority That Some People Just Love to Hate.

[tina99]

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I wrote the following in another thread on this forum, which is entitled "Coming Out as an MtF Transsexual." It is at:

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?214468-Coming-Out-to-People-as-an-MtF-Transsexual .


***"I Just Changed My Legal Name to Tina," was how I came out.***

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I came out to all my relatives by phone, except for my sister, whom I sent an email to because I couldn't reach her by phone.

I just said, "Hello, I just changed my legal name to Tina," and emailed the same message to my sister.

I figured that if they were prejudiced against transsexuals, then I wanted them to
"Please Get Lost!"

Transsexuals are just another minority that some people just love to hate - even your prejudiced relatives.

I'd had several Latino friends over the years, and knew how much irrational prejudice they'd had to endure, so I had Zero tolerance for prejudiced people.

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I lived in Guadalajara, Mexico for a year and a half until 2011, and have a special affinity for Latino people, although lots of people are prejudiced against them.

That's part of the reason why a lot of Latinos live in East Los Angeles, which used to be called, "The wrong side of the tracks." For years, a lot of the streets there used to be dirt, while the streets in the rest of L.A. were all paved.

If you're not Caucasian, and/or your first language isn't English, then you may be familiar with prejudice (literally, being Pre-Judged), and are considered a minority in Australia, much of Canada, New Zealand, the UK, the US, and a few other western countries.

Some people may even consider you a Second Class Citizen.

If you're Caucasian and your first language is English, and people know you're transsexual, then you become a minority, and to some people a Second Class Citizen.

Welcome to the world of discrimination.

If you're already a minority, and you transition, then, to some people, you become a Third Class Citizen.

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What do you think ?

[vetobob9]

From my experience, white people are the targets of prejudice just as much as any other group. It all depends on where you live because whites are not the majority everywhere in the US. There are places, for example Los Angeles, where Latinos are the majority and hold prejudiced views towards whites, blacks, asians, arabs and anyone else who is not latino.

We can't peg any group with having a monopoly on prejudice. Just as their are people who are prejudiced against transgender people and homosexuals, there are some homosexuals and or transgender people who are equally biased against straight people.

No group holds a monopoly on bias or prejudice.

That is the best I can do without getting into the politics of prejudice because politics plays a big role in the prejudice of many communities, not just white ones. Prejudice mainly concerns who holds power and controls resources. Politics is also about who holds power, how they get and how they hold it. Political Science is the study of power and who has it and why. I should note that power can be either political or economic. Most of the time when we talk about prejudice we are talking about the economic type.


Economic prejudice is about who holds and controls the resources in a given community. Basically one group controls most of the resources to the exclusion of most other groups in the same community. Using Los Angeles County as an example, there are many Latino businesses that will hire only Latinos and who exclude other groups such as whites, blacks, or asians from employment opportunities. In other parts of LA there are white businesses that have similar practices.

When you at specific workplaces you will find that some job roles are given based on gender stereotypes/prejudices. For example, the Latino restaurant that only uses young females at birth to serve as hostesses or servers is engaged in economic prejudice against both males and transgenders.

I hope that explains at least a little bit of it.

[Andy66]

No minority ever got ahead by whining, thinking like a victim, or sitting around waiting for someone to give them rights. If youre going to be a transwoman, a Mexican, or whatever, be the best one you can be. You know what they say, success is the best revenge.

[tina99]

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I'm happy to say that California has some of the best LGBT protection laws in America.

I helped get the LGBT protection laws passed in Washington state before moving to California.

[Andy66]

Good for you, Tina! I did the same sort of thing in California in the 1980s and 90s. Ive been thinking about getting back into it again.

[KellyJameson]

I'm half latin and strongly identify with the latin culture. It's people, language, food, history and religion.

It was also brutally hard to be a transsexual and stay involved with the latin community so I removed myself from most aspects of it but I did that with main stream society in general anyway.

I cannot say that I ever experienced prejudice either from being mixed blood or being perceived as latin.

Considering myself a minority because I'm transsexual "as to the dangers and difficulties of being a minority" was helpful in understanding my circumstances but it can also blind you to the deeper dangers that I don't think minorities in general experience.

Transsexual are at risk with certain people of garnering a deeper visceral reaction which can get you killed if you do not understand it and know how to identify it.

This reaction often is underscored with the worst aspects of religion.

Transsexuals can bring out the very worst in men who have problems with their own masculine identity.

Many times men with identity issues also carry around massive amounts of internal rage that is explosive and it explodes at perceived threats to their identity which is tied to never showing weakness and to them all things feminine in a male are signs of weakness.

To some men, a transsexual is the embodiment of masculine weakness and betrayal because "we went over to the otherside"

It can trigger their deepest fears about themselves and provoke a violent reaction and or the need to dominate and humiliate the transsexual.

Minorites do not have to contend with this in the same way or to the same degree.

This was a particular problem in the latin community but can happen in any culture or ethnic group.

For myself I came to realize that I was right smack in the middle of an on going war between men and women which has been called the "gender wars" and this has been going on since the beginning of time.

I suspect nature creates transsexuals to stabilze this war and bring equilibrium for species survival so in the past transwomen and men worked as peace keepers between the extremes of cisgendered expression trying to temper the more toxic expressions of male and female sexuality but this threatened the churches role so they were forced underground or destroyed.

[PaulaQ]

Considering myself a minority because I'm transsexual "as to the dangers and difficulties of being a minority" was helpful in understanding my circumstances but it can also blind you to the deeper dangers that I don't think minorities in general experience.


Other minority groups have certainly experienced similar types of violence to what we experience as trans. The reason they don't face so much of that is because the federal gov't really cracked down on stuff like that, and harshly prosecutes hate crimes - especially those committed by organizations. LGBT folks don't get the same level of protection, especially us "T's". Hey look, it hasn't been all that long where LGBT folks could get arrested in my state for getting caught having sex even in their private homes. It also doesn't help that we're stigmatized in multiple ways, for multiple reasons, and that there really are so few of us. I guess there are probably people in the US who've never met anyone of African or Latin descent (Hello Utah?) But most people have never met a transsexual.

[tina99]

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Several US states, including California, now have LGBT non-discrimination and hate crime laws, while even more states have LGB protection laws.

[Michelle789]

It can trigger their deepest fears about themselves and provoke a violent reaction and or the need to dominate and humiliate the transsexual.

Minorites do not have to contend with this in the same way or to the same degree.



I have yet to hear of "Race Identity Disorder" or "Ethnic Dysphoria". Men can be very insecure about their masculinity, but whites are generally not worried about their "whiteness" being threatened or about possibly "turning black."

Although I have some very bad news for whites who like to live in warm climates. If you live in a warmer climate, your skin will get somewhat darker. Mine did after I spent my first full summer in Los Angeles, and a bit darker since I moved to the Valley, which is hotter and sunnier than any other part of L.A.

Even worse, is that over many generations of living in warmer climates, and hundreds of years, your descendents skin will eventually turn darker. The closer to the equator you live, the darker your skin, and that of your descendents will be. Too all of the racist whites who live in the deep south, get the hell out of the deep south and go back to Alaska, otherwise your great-grandchildren will be brown.





For myself I came to realize that I was right smack in the middle of an on going war between men and women which has been called the "gender wars" and this has been going on since the beginning of time.

I suspect nature creates transsexuals to stabilze this war and bring equilibrium for species survival so in the past transwomen and men worked as peace keepers between the extremes of cisgendered expression trying to temper the more toxic expressions of male and female sexuality but this threatened the churches role so they were forced underground or destroyed.

I think transgender people and animals, who are often smarter than the average population, are the ones who help us to innovate and to survive tough times. I'm sure that 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs went extinct, that it was transgender animals who helped mammals and other species to survive. When the Tambora super volcano went off 75,000 years ago and the human population was reduced to 2000, it was the few trans people among them that are responsible for their survival and for our existence today.

To all the transphobes, remember that. Mt. Tambora nearly killed off the human race, and it was transpeople who helped us to survive. We owe our very existence of modern civilization to transpeople.

[tina99]

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I've lived in Los Angeles and Guadajara, Mexico for 10 years, and I'm still the poster girl for the Paleface World :) .

I knew one African-American guy who used to use steel wool to try rub the black color off of his skin. His mother told him, "You stop doin' that now, cuz it ain't gonna come off !"

[Angela Campbell]

Even worse, is that over many generations of living in warmer climates, and hundreds of years, your descendents skin will eventually turn darker. The closer to the equator you live, the darker your skin, and that of your descendents will be. To all of the racist whites who live in the deep south, get the hell out of the deep south and go back to Alaska, otherwise your great-grandchildren will be brown.


Hmm this Florida girl - who is part of the 6th generation of my family in Florida - is wondering when I will no longer have these ghost white legs?

[Michelle789]

Angela, I probably exxaggerrated a bit. I think it takes much longer than 3 or 6 generations. Maybe 1000 or 2000 years, but eventually it does happen. It's not a coincidence that skin color is correlated to native climate, with warmer being darker and colder being paler.

[Angela Campbell]

But I need it sooner than that!

[Michelle789]

Angela, YMMV. My skin tanned pretty fast after moving to L.A., and again after moving to the Valley. I was never pale white, and I am not brown or black. But I went from a light Mediterranean look to a darker Mediterranean look in a short amount of time.

I will say that my legs are lighter than my arms and face, because for years in male mode I would always wear pants and never shorts even when it's 100 degrees outside, but wear short sleeve shirts, allowing the tanning of my arms and face faster than my legs. Now I wear more skirts, so we shall see if my legs start tanning.

[PaulaQ]

I have yet to hear of "Race Identity Disorder" or "Ethnic Dysphoria". Men can be very insecure about their masculinity, but whites are generally not worried about their "whiteness" being threatened or about possibly "turning black."

Well, what about this guy? ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzY2Qcu5i2A