Skirts over Scotland

[susan54]

Foreign crossdressers tend to envy us Scots their kilts. I have two but I hardly ever wear them. In fact I suspect that at any given moment in Scotland there are more men wearing skirts and dresses than kilts.

[Butterfly Bill]

Don't go to an American Scottish festival and call them "skirts", or you might find out how it feels to be a caber.

[Katey888]

Susan,

Speaking as a foreign CDer... ;) .. I can assuredly state that I do not envy you Scots your kilts... nasty rough, woollen, heavy things, in my experience...

But I will envy you Scots your many, many single malts... :) your spicy haggis... :) your phenomenal golf courses... :) your beautiful, wild scenery... :) and your wild salmon... :)

That's salmon... you can definitely keep your Salmond with the kilts... ;)

Katey x

[Shelly Preston]

I dont want a kilt the macho men can keep those.

I would much prefer a nice tartan skirt or dress

[mechamoose]

Kilts are a clothing option with a link to girl clothes.

Show me a Highlander in a pencil skirt and we can talk, sweetie.

<3

- MM

[Carolina]

My first and only time out and about wearing a skirt was in Scotland. Over 20 years ago i went there and bought a nice tartan skirt (with the pretense of getting a kilt - i'm a foreigner, what do i know?). I wore it as soon as I got into my rented car. The feeling of driving around wearing a skirt was exhilarating! So much so that I ended up stopping after a few miles for fear of getting into an accident.

I envied Scots for being able to buy a skirt as a male without any concern. Nowadays I feel much more comfortable buying my skirts and dresses, although I have never been outside the house wearing any of them.

I loved my short stint wearing my first ever skirt in Scotland!

[mechamoose]

Carolina:

Even if that skirt was a Dior?

Not to put lemon in your milk, honey.. but just keep it in perspective?

- MM

[BLUE ORCHID]

Don't go to an American Scottish festival and call them "skirts", or you might find out how it feels to be a caber.

Hi Bill If you run into two Scottsmen you could be tossed back and forth all Afternoon,
.

[Kiltie]

Susan,

Speaking as a foreign CDer... ;) .. I can assuredly state that I do not envy you Scots your kilts... nasty rough, woollen, heavy things, in my experience...

But I will envy you Scots your many, many single malts... :) your spicy haggis... :) your phenomenal golf courses... :) your beautiful, wild scenery... :) and your wild salmon... :)

That's salmon... you can definitely keep your Salmond with the kilts... ;)

Katey x

Aww Katey.....I wear kilts a lot of the time now and Ive worn them most of my life. Some kilts are as you describe but modern day materials or methods of traditional weaving have moved on and I find that the light to medium weight kilts I wear are very smooth and comfy. I also have a good few polyester kilts that are imported now and they are good for everyday wear too though they dont last the pace. They are much cheaper though so are good value. The heavyweight kilts as worn by the military are def as you describe.

P.S. I agree about Salmond and company. Couldnt you poach them or smoke them and do us all a favour.

[Kaze_]

Kilts are a clothing option with a link to girl clothes.

Show me a Highlander in a pencil skirt and we can talk, sweetie.

<3

- MM

Many generations ago I can trace my ancestry to the Scottish Highlands.

Do I count? :P

[mechamoose]

Kaze,

I'm of enough Scots blood to have Clan approval to use the crest, and I have a 4x6 inch version of it on my forearm. That isn't quite what I meant, sweetie. What I had pictured was some grisly Scot living up in the Highlands in a pencil skirt. Sorry for my poor phrasing.

-MacMoose (Clan Gordon)

[Kaze_]

Kaze,

I'm of enough Scots blood to have Clan approval to use the crest, and I have a 4x6 inch version of it on my forearm. That isn't quite what I meant, sweetie. What I had pictured was some grisly Scot living up in the Highlands in a pencil skirt. Sorry for my poor phrasing.

-MacMoose (Clan Gordon)

Aye, it was a bit of a joke. Even though it was a bad one. ;~;

[Marcelle]

A long time ago when I was first in the military I had joined the Regimental Pipes and Drums band as a side drummer (okay no Pipers throwing things please) . . . it was either the band as a secondary duty or a Regimental Policeman (not into night shifts). Can't say I liked wearing the heavy military wool kilt in summer but I will say when posted to Germany and doing band jobs at various festival events . . . let's just say the kilt was a great conversation starter with girls (this was before I was married) and did come in handy later on - especially being Regimental and all ;)

Hugs

Isha

[Amanda M]

Regimental, Isha? Marching over the mirror on the way out of barracks. Now for all of you non Scots out there, a kilt is NOT meant to be comfortable. It is meant to be hairy, rough, and ladder your stockings. It all dates back to the reformation, and Calvin. Now Scots did not take kindly to Catholicism, so hair shirts were out, so they invented the kilt.

It's all about identity, but "Ye'll suffere for it as you should, ya shelpit wee bauchle!"

Actually, I quite like mine, but my wife says the lace hemmed half slip does not quite go with it.

[susan54]

I don't get some of these replies or the point of them (I stress that others were perfectly OK). I didn't call a kilt a skirt. It is, but I did not mention it in the OP. The point of the email was to speculate on the number of men in Scotland wearing skirts or dresses as opposed to kilts. And I am actually sitting here typing this in Scotland wearing a pencil skirt. I don't get the remark about the pencil skirt either.

And one of the two replies from Scotland appeared to be advocating cooking a political leader rather a lot of us voted for. There might have been some excuse if it had been at all funny ... but it wasn't. There are times when I feel like giving up on this Forum.

[heather ann martin]

I don't have a kilt. I don't have any male clothing, but I do have some nice tartan skirts. I suppose it's possible for a woman to wear a man's kilt as a skirt but it's not for me, I want to look and feel as much like a real woman as I possibly can and that means wearing a skirt or a dress which I always do.

[Beverley Sims]

Tramping around Scotland's country side I never saw a great kilt wearing brigade.
Donald always was wearing trousers. Those wearing kilts were at traditional functions and were usually taking part in Scottish dances or playing bagpipes.

Men wear kilts and so do ladies.
I have not even fantasised about kilts as they are heavy and hot to wear.
For the uninitiated, try doing the sword dance in one.

[angela2112]

I agree with the OP. There will be way more men in scotland wearing skirts and dresses sitting at home than men wearing kilts sitting at home. It'll be the same outdoors too I'm sure.

Walk around Edinburgh and you'll see a few men in kilts but in Glasgow you'll be lucky if you see one in a month, unless there's a football international game being played. You'll see more in Edinburgh because that's where the overseas tourists tend to visit......there's always a lot of Americans wandering around kidding on they're Scottish :thinking: :heehee:

I certainly see more transvestites than men wearing kilts when out and about in Glasgow,that's for sure

[Badwolf]

I envy it in terms of having an excuse, but the style really doesn't really fit me by itself.

[Beverley Sims]

Angela,
Next time I am in Glasgow, I will watch out for them.
I do agree about Edinburgh Vs Glasgow, it is more traditional in the east.
There are all those kilt shops coming down the road from the castle, they seem to do good business, although expensive compared to elsewhere.
I agree with the analogy that there may be a lot more Scots dressing at home in skirts than kilts.....

They are a lot cooler. :)

[Lexi Moralas]

To me a kilt is a peice of male clothing ,
And my CD side has no interest.
Now a tartan inspired , pleated mini skirt is a whole different story

[mechamoose]

Tartan-wear is available in both 'genders'.

Female:
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Male:
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(Links from The Scottish Lion (http://www.scottishlion.com/))

Notice the shape/line differences?

A kilt is a male item of clothing. It happens to look like a skirt :)

- MM

[livefree83]

My wife, who knows about my dressing and is in full support of it, really wants to see me in a kilt. She's a pretty big Outlander fan!! :)

[Shirley Anne]

I am a highlander living in the highlands and own numerous pencil skirts, my favourite form of clothing.

[Mia001]

I have only worn a kilt twice and it was fine (Both times it was for weddings). I'm not wearing a skirt at the moment but definitely wear them more often than kilts.

[Rachelakld]

Being from Yorkshire, a kilt is not appropriate although I could support my wifes clan, but more importantly, I hate spending the pennies, when I could have a tartan mini skirt for $20

[mechamoose]

(Both times it was for weddings)

I can't complain about THAT.. I wear suits to important occasions. I wear a kilt to those that MATTER. :)

(Yes, I own a full, 8 yard kilt. Sporran (I made it) , sgian dubh, proper brogues)

My step daughter got married last year. She wanted to wear Gordon colors for the wedding. I was ecstatic! We want over the combinations based on the version of the plaid. My oldest daughter and my step daughter got into all kinds of arguments as to colors for dresses, until I shared links of all the variants.

Once my step daughter understood, she gravitated towards one. The battle colors.

I said "What better colors to show up for your wedding in?!?!?!" Scare him off or make him stand!

"Formal":
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"Ancient red":
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She wore the red version. Good girl!! Wha's like us?

<3

- MM

[cindybabe]

I have worn a kilt a few times, always at weddings,
Much better crossdressing and wearing a skirt:heehee:

[Judith96a]

Both men and women wear kilts. The design is slightly different but only slightly. And a women's kilt is a kilt not a kilted skirt! And then there are Billie kilts - they're definitely not menswear!

[heather ann martin]

Hello from Scotland. Guys wear kilts. Girls wear skirts. OK?

[Mia001]

I have worn a kilt a few times, always at weddings,
Much better crossdressing and wearing a skirt:heehee:

I agree Cindy.

[Vicky_Scot]

To me a kilt is a piece of male clothing ,
And my CD side has no interest.
Now a tartan inspired , pleated mini skirt is a whole different story

Lexi you are spot on.

The kilt is definitely a male item of clothing.

I doubt any m2f crossdresser would get excited about slipping a kilt on designed for a man.

[Teresa]

Susan, I can't see why you got so upset with the replies, your OP was open ended and not specific about answers !
Sometimes our threads don't go where they're intended, if it's not that important just go with the flow !

If I can add my little story, I was photographing a wedding and the groom, bestman and attendants wore kilts. I was taking a break when two girls crept up behind the groom and best man and pointed their cameras up their kilts, the funniest part was seeing their kilts light up when the flashes went off ! I just hope they weren't CDers because the cameras did the rounds at the reception !!

[noeleena]

Hi,'

Then youll have to answer to our Drum majors of our Scottish pipes and drums as to what men or women wear on parade and then youll see what we wear . women do not wear a sporran only women in our bands wear them the men of cause do ,

And both mens and womens wear is much better now than say many years ago.
and had i joined our Timaru pipes and drums i would be wearing what is issued to our band .

...noeleena...

[mariehart]

Kilts are worn in Ireland too particularly in Irish dancing. These are far more skirt like and can be in various colours particularly saffron. I remember being quite jealous of boys who were wearing what looked very like mini skirts when they were dancing. Paired with white socks and dancing shoes and the whole effect was rather feminine.

[NatalieGirl]

So if a GG in Scotland wears a kilt, is she considered a crossdresser?

[Sister Rachel]

Susan,

Speaking as a foreign CDer... ;) .. I can assuredly state that I do not envy you Scots your kilts... nasty rough, woollen, heavy things, in my experience...

But I will envy you Scots your many, many single malts... :) your spicy haggis... :) your phenomenal golf courses... :) your beautiful, wild scenery... :) and your wild salmon... :)

That's salmon... you can definitely keep your Salmond with the kilts... ;)

Katey x

Katey, you just eloquently said exactly what I was going to :)

There is a Cornish tartan ( going WAY back in history, possibly as far as the 1950s :rolleyes: ) and with it comes the Cornish kilt .. it doesn't appeal to me, to much fabric in all the wrong places! :eek: