Pros/Cons/Hormones/Weight Gain, Maintenance, Stability, Chemical Balances.

[miyako]

Just curious about something. As far as the hormones are concerned, I've seen too many drag queen jump on hormones and blow up like watermelons in zero to no time. There are a select few that I know personally that do not.

Not the question at hand is this. What is the key concept that induces the drastic weight gain in these individuals. Is it the type/brand/dosage or hormones? Is it their chemical balance in their natural body? Is it due to underactive thyroid? Or does hormones destroy and break down a persons metabolism or thyroids activity? These are just a few contributing questions I am interested in learning about. I've read many things and similar ideas, but none of them really answer my questions directly.

Also another question that comes to mind is hormones -vs- erection (pre-op). Is there a certain dosage / way to be able to still achieve erections and maintain penial size without loss overtime? For example say someone gets on the hormone treatments and then decides they want to keep their penis and continue life sexually with that part of their body. Is this so possible? I hear/read that it slim to none, but I'd like to hear other peoples ideas/responses on this issue as well. And I do know and am aware of the infertility that it causes.

I'd also like to know in depth from those who are taking them, as to what ones they are taking and how they are affecting their weight, skin, body structure, bone structure, skint exture, hair growth. If possible in detail. I might be asking a lot here, but please if you do have the time to reflect and share your experiences and how you feel and are dealing with it it would be greatly appreciated.

Also how many of you are regularly taking heart/liver testing during your transition if your transitioning fully or partially. (pre-op)(post-op).

Another question is the fact of when it come down to the psychologial part. How many of you actually that want to go pre-op on hormones and never get surgery via penial to vaginal told your psychologist/psychiatrist that is as far as you want to go or is this something that is not said when you have a session with the psychologist/psychiatrist? Just curious. I'd think they would be against going half way and would allow you to get on hormones. I'm not sure, just was something that popped into my head and I was curious about.

Well enough of my requests and ranting. I shall go now. Thanks for the time and reading this post. And thanks in advance to all who provide any kind of response and especially detailed in length responses.

Sincerely and Cordially yours,

Miyako Myoung

[mistunderstood]

Good question. I kinda have the same questions bout hormones except I am going F2M. I think I will go and ask this question on the F2M side. thank you for asking.

[Gilded Graper]

I can only speak for myself.

Blow Up:
HRT mimics puberty. Gentetics plays a part in how fat the kid will get.
High dose of HRT hormones, ie close pregnancy level, will blow you up just like it does for a pregnant woman.

Hormones are interelated and affect most of the hormones in your body, thyroid and pituatary glands make hormones. Note GG's love salted carbs, especially as period approaches.

Penis size:
It shrinks but if you have sex in missionary position at least ONCE/day, it will not get so short. It will get thinner. Note that lesbians have great sex.

I was a popular queen and turned 3 to 8 M&F tricks in a night. Once I stopped it got shorter until I got a GG lover when it got longer.

HRT Advantages are, longer orgasm. About half a year of HRT, 10 to 14 ejaculations per orgasm. Years later, continuous orgasm for about 2 minutes, more like waves. I would have about 2-3 of this in 2 or 3 hour sex with above GG.

All thru the decades, the foreplay was incredible! The shoulder, neck, anywhere uhhH!

Erection:
Right from the begining, I could not masturbate no matter how horny I was.
Absolutely no pleasure and no erection.

HOWEVER, you need foreplay by someone else. That's why I could turn all those tricks, ie get it up or no $.

I've taken massive amount of mone (simulating pregnancy) and foreplay always worked for me, unless I was pukeing.

Your hips come out, ouch. Any OB/Gyn doctor knows hip dialate, apparently there are HRT doctors who don't know squat about women and tell you mones don't change your bones.

My shoulders came in, ouch. the bottom ribs came in too.
I had painful lump on my thigh and it felt warm so I thought it was thrombosis and went to the ER in NY's Greenwich Village, a gay part of town.
The endo there took 10 seconds to see that it was fat, women have fat thigh. They get lots of HRT queens there.

If your edo gives you clot buster and you still have the lump a month later, you better get a 2nd opinion.

Hair, bones:
I'm atypical some what androgenous.
I didn't lose any hair but the diameter got thinner. I always had fast growing hair. Before HRT, I shaved all 20 of my facial haisr about 3-4 times a year.
I never had body hair, just pubic and the calf.
I had very small adam's apple, many women's bulge out more than mine. Like a woman, I have short arms and very small hands. Have skinny bones.

Skin:
All my male relatives have child like smooth skin and their wives say so.
For a few days after HRT injection, my skin is unbelievable. Not even a new born baby feels like that.

I had acne as a teen for less than a year.

I'm totally DIY. Queens have generations of first hand knowledge handed down to them. They are there 24/7.

As a child I had curvature of the spine which was corrected.

HRT brought it back, now every doctor notices it immediately.

Scoliosis is generally a female condition.
My type (teens), 1 in 7 are boys, ie 6 F's and 1 M.

Simulating pregnacy caused my lower spine to enlarge (to support a baby) and this enlargement or the associated female hormones that dilate the hips may be the reason for my HRT scoliosis.

Because scoliosis appears at the start of puberty, they are now focusing on hormonal & environmental causes.

[Natasha Anne]

I can only speak for myself.

Your hips come out, ouch. Any OB/Gyn doctor knows hip dialate, apparently there are HRT doctors who don't know squat about women and tell you mones don't change your bones.

My shoulders came in, ouch. the bottom ribs came in too.
I had painful lump on my thigh and it felt warm so I thought it was thrombosis and went to the ER in NY's Greenwich Village, a gay part of town.
The endo there took 10 seconds to see that it was fat, women have fat

I've not heard this before. Is this true? As far as I'm aware this is contrary to all the literature I've read and all other TS experiences I've read about or shared with TS friends.

[Wendi {LI NY}]

Hi all.
Gee, I been on Hormones for 21/2 yrs and I never had the stuff that glider had ? Sex is a diffrent animal after hormones .. Penis is useless ,expected to go to the bathroom with!The weight gain is terrilbe and not in the right places too. stomach blows -up like you are going to have a baby . Skin gets very soft and smooth ,but you briused very easy too. Your hair gets softer ,but you still need to remove it !Your muscle mass goes bye bye and if you can open a jar ,you are the lucky one !
Hormones are very tricky and unpredictable.OHH the good things !You may grow Breasts ,but most girls get a Acup or a small B cup.
You should be check for blood work every 6 months or you will destory your liver !
Ohh ,yes ,you cry and get upset a the drop of a hat, you do get bitchy and an annoying.My S.O. told me that .
In closing I think hormones are very dangerous with seeing a doctor to see if you can handle the problems that come with them ! wendi:cry: :angry: :eek: see i am so confused!;)

[miyako]

Then why continue doing something that makes you that confused?

Miyako Myoung

[Wendi {LI NY}]

do I looked confused? Well i am not ,but some are ! hugs Wendi:angel:

[Sierra]

Hello All,I have used hrt since 1999 and my penis looks the as before.By only takeing 2mg a day of Estrofem or one bcp I can keep on enjoying sex with a good erection and I think the load is probally fertile.Higher doses will make me impotent but not a typical low dose a woman on hrt would take.Progetins particularly will shut me down if I use them to many days in a row.

[Mirragea]

Just curious about something. As far as the hormones are concerned, I've seen too many drag queen jump on hormones and blow up like watermelons in zero to no time. There are a select few that I know personally that do not.

Not the question at hand is this. What is the key concept that induces the drastic weight gain in these individuals.



The reduction is testosterone from the t blockers causes a reduction in muscle mass.The reduction in muscle mass means there is less muscle to burn the regular amount of calories one would consume before hrt.So the lost muscle is replaced with fat.Then on top of that you are more prone to emotional eating because of the higher estrogen effects on your emotional state.Hope this helps and I'm sure there are way more qualified people to answer this:cheeky:

[JOANNE]

In my case I have not increased weight despite my efforts. I am 6' and weigh 72 kg. Any fat I have has moved from the upper body to the butt. I have been told I need a little more fat to get any breast development.

[pattied]

Hello All,I have used hrt since 1999 and my penis looks the as before.By only takeing 2mg a day of Estrofem or one bcp I can keep on enjoying sex with a good erection and I think the load is probally fertile.Higher doses will make me impotent but not a typical low dose a woman on hrt would take.Progetins particularly will shut me down if I use them to many days in a row.

If I may ask...
What feminization advantages have you observed at such low does?

[Sierra]

If I may ask...
What feminization advantages have you observed at such low does?
All the same ones as any T-girl on hrt would.I try not to boast about breast,but if you read any of my old posts,you would know I have a set a boobs.

[miyako]

I saw another forum/thread about someone who has miraculous achievements from Herbal meds. But they didn't show any evidence or proof. Then again its hard to judge and set a caliber to those kinds of meds if you really don't know if they are/were taken or not. Would be nice to see hard core evidence though. But I'm thinking if you are on herbal treatments that it would take a lot of them due to the fact that HRT is considerably 10 times as much as Herbal gives in dosage of Estrogen/Progesterines. Just another of my two cents worth.


Miyako

[PennieS]

i am on lower doses of estrogen and spiro, it has not caused any dramatic changes, but definetly changes. My overall body appearence has softened, with some muscle mass loss in upper body, softening of facial feature, nicer skin, noticing small changes in fat distribution in butt, hair has definetly become more lively and managable. Finally seeing some light changes in breast growth, but can wear 40A bra with a 40B bra being almost needed (or maybe it is just my wishfull thinking) No change in actual penis size, although definetly testicals are much smaller, with much less frequent arrousals. Much easier to tuck and dress. Still fully functional but it takes a little more stimulation to get it errect, but lasts longer and sex is still great. Wife seems to have noticed breast growth and recently commented sarcastically, if you get any bigger your going to need a bra. She does not know that I already have several and hope to wear them fulltime soon. i believe she may be noticing some of the other changes as well.

[Natasha Anne]

i am on lower doses of estrogen and spiro, it has not caused any dramatic changes, but definetly changes. My overall body appearence has softened, with some muscle mass loss in upper body, softening of facial feature, nicer skin, noticing small changes in fat distribution in butt, hair has definetly become more lively and managable. Finally seeing some light changes in breast growth, but can wear 40A bra with a 40B bra being almost needed (or maybe it is just my wishfull thinking) No change in actual penis size, although definetly testicals are much smaller, with much less frequent arrousals. Much easier to tuck and dress. Still fully functional but it takes a little more stimulation to get it errect, but lasts longer and sex is still great. Wife seems to have noticed breast growth and recently commented sarcastically, if you get any bigger your going to need a bra. She does not know that I already have several and hope to wear them fulltime soon. i believe she may be noticing some of the other changes as well.

I've been on 'mones for 7 months now. Although there has been some breast changes I couldn't get into a 40A bra without a little loseness in the cups. I'm filled with hope though. They're still sensitive after all these months and that must mean there is some growth going on. I hope to achieve at least some flesh there, so that if I do eventually get implants they're not 1mm away from the surface of my skin.

My biggest thing is the nose job I'm getting next month. I've been waiting my whole adult life to get my nose looking a little prettier, and as an added bonus my deviated septum and sinus passages are getting sorted out too. So pretty nose and no more dark rings once I've recovered. Woohoo!

[pattied]

All the same ones as any T-girl on hrt would.I try not to boast about breast,but if you read any of my old posts,you would know I have a set a boobs.

Well yes.. and beyond that? Seems for a male there are only negative oustide of your luvly breastacles.

[azure]

I spent eight years on Premarin and androcur, and the thing I think upset me most was the weight gain. As my aim was to look and feel pretty and attractive and shop of clothees to wear that complemented my figure. The hormones put lots of weight on me, it was also I may add the factor of acute stress, very poor diet, a lack of proper exersise, more stress, and an unrelenting daily routine of work. So there were many factors interacting to cause the weight gain. But the result was my great sense of disgust of my own body(more shame really) I had an endocrinologist who I saw about twice, and very little in the way of monitoring by my doctor. With the issue of blood clots, dont smoke, try to keep active, avoid a crappy diet, and if you ever have apins in your calf or lower leg, and the leg feels hot and swollen, get to the hospital ASAP. I took 1 asprin each day to make sure I was ok too, and vitmains I took zinc as its good for hair growth. To the best of my knowledge your hips stay as they were, though you do get tissue increasing in that area and it gives you a more curveir profile. Breast growth is very moving when you see your true shape appearing, its how your meant to be. Your bits do shrink and become tender if your erect, though if having a vagina is your desire than having a penis thats no longer working isnt an issue, though some of the penis is used to make your girls bits in your op.
Try to be objective when you become emotional on the hormones, getting depressed and demotivated and moddy might push away the freinds who support you(a word from expereince learnt the very hard way), think to yourself, "this is the hormones talking, itsa chemical thing, and I need to ride it out and be strong"
I could go on and on, but I dont want to bore you with stuff youve probably heard in another form.

However, before I go, my doctor let me know that gender reassignment is no longer being carried out on the NHS here in wales, so what Im meant to do now Ive no idea. Buy my own hormones....hmmm.....nice idea but flawed.

[azure]

During my transition, I was prescribed Premain, and Androcur, I feel strongly that I wish to restart my transition. Recentley I found out the very disturbing and upsetting information about how premain is produced. An industry set up which exploites, and barbarically uses horses and foals to harvest the base chemicals for the drug/medicine. I dont know how much you know about this industry, but I suggest you put premarin into a search engine, I was deeply shocked to find out the pills I had taken were products of somthing do awful.
I want to find a hormone tablet which has the feminising effects of premarin, I ve heard names of hormones mentioned on here but I cant remember them.
I'd appreciate any help or advice, thankyou!