hissed at by a hooker

[Jessica G]

I was hissed at by a prostitute today. She gave me an angry hiss as I walked by her this morning. I don’t understand why I should produce this kind of reaction from a working girl. I wasn’t intruding on her territory. I’ve become friendly with some of the local ladies of the night that hang out around the homeless shelter during the day. Usually every time I venture out one of them remarks to me “Going out on a date, Blondie?” But they only mean it kiddingly.
So what’s up with her? I asked “Heidi HO” who happens to be about the same age as me but unfortunately looks much older. She said that “The Beotch is probably jealous because you look nicer than her.”

I'm not looking for trouble but if she hisses at me again. I'm gonna hiss back.

[kimdl93]

I would advise against it.

[alwayshave]

Jessica, discretion is the better part of valor. Just ignore it.

[Krisi]

I try to arrange my affairs to where I don't normally walk (or drive) in areas where prostitutes hang out. That would be either as a male or as a female.

What you may not understand is, there are male prostitutes that dress as females to do their business. This prostitute may have thought you were trying to compete with her.

BTW: That's a good reason to be careful of how you dress and when and where you go while dressed. The police could mistake you for a male prostitute.

[Kate Simmons]

I agree with Kim. Could turn into a hissy fit battle. :)

[Amy Lynn3]

Take the high road if it happens again. Be nice and say I'm just enjoying myself out and about, or something to that effect.

I heard something like this one time.....one never hisses in their own pit.:hugs:

[Katey888]

Jessica - don't let others drag you into the gutter with them... smile and move on... :)

Maybe this should be something you treat in the same way as if one gets crapped on by a pigeon - a largely random piece of misfortune that apocryphal anecdotes transform into an omen of good luck.. :D

Katey x

[Karen RHT]

Yup...one of the world's biggest problems...don't like what they said/did, gotta hit back. :eek: Why escalate or retaliate?? The person in question will never have any meaningful power over you, unless you let them. Ignore them, be confident and happy about what you're doing, and get on with the important things in your life.

Not lecturing, just adding my voice to the "ignore" crowd.


Karen

[Alexis08]

Oh it makes me think about an incident in Stockholm some years ago.

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Maybe that's why she felt threatened by you? I know you're not a prostitute, but maybe she thought so.

[jigna]

Just leave her alone and forget it.

[dawnmarrie1961]

Did this occur in Omaha, Nebraska near a homeless shelter? If it did she was probably the same hooker that hissed at me years ago. I'm not surprised she's still there on the corner.
Ironic that she called you "Blondie". That used to be my nickname. It's a small...small world!

[Jenniferathome]

You're in the wrong part of town. Don't go there.

[Stephanie47]

You are definitely in the wrong part of town. I'm pretty sure anybody seeing any woman in the general area of the "red light district" alone would be taken for a working woman. And, any man portraying a woman in the "red light district" is going to be assumed to be a working "woman."

[Jorja]

Don't worry about it and move on. Like a hooker's opinion should count for anything. You don't want to be hissed at, don't go there.

[Rhonda Darling]

This is really simple: A lady does not belong in that part of town! Stay the {bleep} away from the working girls, lest you be mistaken for one of them. You don't need a pimp approaching you, you don't need clients (johns) approaching you, you don't need the police approaching you, and you don't need to be the subject of a reporter's story about yet another tranny prostitute murdered.

RD

[Ezekiel]

While I agree with the opinion that you should ignore the hissing, its not like some of the people that talked about it here have been refering to prostitutes with much respect.


Like a hooker's opinion should count for anything

I should remind many would use that same sentence with crossdressers, using the "tranny" Word probably, and you know it doesn't look good.


This is really simple: A lady does not belong in that part of town!

Aren't they ladies too? Or only some have that right reserved? Perhaps you are above them because you consider yourself a lady and they are, what they are? Go ahead and say.

Prostitutes deserve that certain level of respect everybody deserves, as they are persons too, please, keep that in mind.

[Sandie70]

In certain areas I would be reminded of what happened to Hugh Grant some years back. Being mistaken for that type would be unfortunate.

[CynthiaD]

Don't get into a hair-pulling contest if you're wearing a wig. She might run off with it. :)

[Tracii G]

My advice is don't hang out where the hookers do.
You don't want to be mistaken for one of them by anyone including the Po Po.

[Badwolf]

Without getting into details of what areas you like to hang out in etc, you seem to have more to lose than she does. Don't get into fights where you can lose that much more.

[Lorileah]

Maybe she had a slow leak. Hissing? Really? In the veterinary world we handle that with a squirt bottle...probably not the same huh?

[Jazzy Jaz]

I agree with Ezekiel. Prostitutes are often looked down upon and judged by negative stereotypes with very little compassion or understanding of thier individual stories and circumstances. For starters many many women and children are trafficed or completely controlled by pimps who collect all of thier earnings ( essensially they are slaves). They are often recruited as teenage runaways and endure many yrs even decades under this control. Lots of others became addicted to heavy drugs over time starting as teen partiers and then getting out of control (addictions are extremely powerful). Some come from major poverty and family situations and do what they need to do to make ends meet. Theres also many who have great bussiness sense, are high class, and do very well for themselves. Whether people respect thier work or not they are workers and they do provide a very intimate service often in unsafe places. With all of the abuse that they endure I believe we of all people should treat them as people.

Ps. That doesn't mean people should hiss at you though.

[Ezekiel]

Prostitutes are often looked down upon and judged by negative stereotypes with very little compassion or understanding of thier individual stories and circumstances.

Exactly, and yet some people here does not seem to realize that us TG should be more compassionate about such groups, instead of thinking we are above them, specially given the poor understanding and hate we get as a community, sometimes comparable to them, even though their situation is worse in the most cases.

You may have an opinion about what they do, but don't judge other people thinking you are higher, because you will be acting the same way society does with us. Remember this.

[Vickie_CDTV]

The worst thing you could do escalate the situation. You don't know what her state of mind is, or if she is under the influence of something and carrying a weapon etc. If she hisses, let her hiss.

More to the point, it would be better to avoid that part of town while dressed completely if you can. If you want to help the prostitutes, talk to a social worker or community organization about things that can be done, just putting yourself out the in harm's way is not a good idea. Being around that area is risky enough for a cis male, but being dressed puts you in even more risk.

[sometimes_miss]

I agree with Kim. Could turn into a hissy fit battle. :)
And what do you do if it does escalate? You don't win either way when fighting a female. You win, you're a bully. You lose, you're a wimp. And of course you get to go to jail either way, into the men's detention cell. Not a good alternative. Just keep walking. Let it go.

[Jorja]

@Ezekiel - Prostitution is illegal in all 50 states of the USA. Yes, there are a few counties in Nevada where it is legal inside of certain brothels. It might be legal where you are. Being Transgender is NOT a crime. While your arguments about abuse and being victimized hold water, these women have the same rights and protection under the law as any other citizen. They can get out of the business if they want too. Many do not want to because it is easy money or they are addicted to drugs. One cannot have pity on a criminal who consistently repeats the offense and is high risk to spreads HIV/Aids and STDs.

[melanie206]

Be very careful. You might note that most of the gurls who become victims of violence and murder are those "on the street".

[Ezekiel]

@Ezekiel - Prostitution is illegal in all 50 states of the USA. Yes, there are a few counties in Nevada where it is legal inside of certain brothels. It might be legal where you are.

It may be ilegal in the US, here where I live it is aswell, which by the way is something I approve of as I think prostitution is slavery, but that does not mean prostitutes are to be treated with less dignity than anyone else. It being illegal doesn't mean you should degrade those who are engaged in it, whatever reasons they might have to do it.


Being Transgender is NOT a crime.

Sure being Transgender is not a crime, but because we didn't let that happen. Can you say the same about Islamic territories?

Just as you see prostitution as a crime, some people think being LGBT is as much as a crime, what if they managed to illegalize Transgenderism? Should then you or me be treated with less respect just because some written law says so? Really?

Better not be blinded by what is written in some constitution or book and reason things with wider perspective. Such a perspective was took by many people who fought for our rights in the past. Such perspective is what managed to get laws that protects LGBT people, usually looked down upon just as you are looking down prostitutes.


While your arguments about abuse and being victimized hold water, these women have the same rights and protection under the law as any other citizen. They can get out of the business if they want too. Many do not want to because it is easy money or they are addicted to drugs.

Its not as simple as you are trying to make it look.

I don't think many, as you implement, do it because of the easy money or drug addiction, those I believe are a minority.

Rather, most of them they find themselves in a hardly escapable situation where they are forced by gangs, and if they try to evade themselves they might end up dead, or perhaps all of their family and loved ones.


One cannot have pity on a criminal who consistently repeats the offense and is high risk to spreads HIV/Aids and STDs

Im sorry Jorja, but with due respect I'm appalled by this last sentence. You are Transgender, you know what it means to be mistreated by society, how can you say this?

[Krisi]

Prostitution is illegal. People who engage in prostitution are criminals. Perhaps prostitution should not be illegal, but currently, it is. I don't know how the thread took this turn, but your post needs a response regardless. Being transgender and being a criminal are two entirely different things. There is no relation.

[Ezekiel]

You people surely are lacking empathy here, you are not getting what I'm trying to say. All I'm saying is that you simply should show that little respect we all deserve, which I'm not seeing in some here. Thats what I'm pointing out, and explaining.


Being transgender and being a criminal are two entirely different things. There is no relation.

Never said being transgender is being a criminal. What I'm saying is, what if it was considered a crime to crossdress? Read my posts again, please.

Not going to derail the thread any longer... all that I had to say, its been said.

[Katey888]

As always, interesting discussions lead to interesting diversions but now without too much of the moralising please... :)

I think we've gone far enough judging the world's oldest profession which may be illegal in most of the USA but isn't illegal everywhere in the countries served by our Pan-Global Forum and I don't believe it was that long ago that crossdressing was also illegal in some US states and cities...? Hmmmm...? :hmph:

So times change - so do morals - but if we can just get back to the OP now please...? :D

Katey
Moderator

[Ellaxo]

I agree that we should not judge and we should have respect for others. I would avoid that part of town, and do not hiss back. You don't want conflict, you don't know if her pimp is around. This could end up being very dangerous. Just avoid her, or even better if you avoid that side of town.

[alwayshave]

@Ezekiel - Prostitution is illegal in all 50 states of the USA. . When last checked, prostitution is not illegal in Rhode Island. That's not say its sanctioned either. Street walking is a crime but if it goes on behind closed doors, not a crime.

[rachael.davis]

depending on how you were dressed (clubbing) she may have figured you were poaching her stroll - there is a good amount of violence associated with "lucrative" strips of pavement. If something starts up on the street between the two of you there's a chance the local policeman might not be overly sympathetic or understanding.

[AKADonna]

Don't step into the gutter with her! You'll just get dirty!

[suchacutie]

Wow, not one mention of what I thought was completely obvious....

You were being approached as a client/source of income! Hasn't that ever happened to anyone walking along the streets of a largish city? This sound gets your attention (which it did) and your reaction either leads her forward to an encounter, or not.

Just smile and keep walking, possibly shaking your head to indicate no interest.

[Ezekiel]

Wow, not one mention of what I thought was completely obvious....
.

Really? I didn't know this myself, but now that you mention it, makes sense. So maybe she wasn't being offensive to the OP afterall.

[Darling Micki]

Such an interesting reaction to use of a label.

Ezekiel can be considered correct in their question of "Aren't they ladies too?"
They are. "Ladies of the Evening," a polite way of referring to an escort or hooker. I personally believe the original intent of the label "lady" was meant to refer to a woman of fine breeding, well to do, etc. This is not to say one is better than the other, just recognition of a popular label.

I am curious about the underlying hostility behind Ezekiel's responses, but that is something for another time and probably some place else.

Unless we are receiving response from outer space, or another lifeform on this planet has evolved without our general knowledge, we are all human. Each of us should follow some form of the golden rule. As humans we don't always do that. We create words and assign a definition to it. We then group others together using these words as labels, even if the people in that group do not share all thee conditions of that label's definition.

Whether this "lady of the evening" is trying to start a fight, or marking their territory, or just get the attention of the OP to compliment the attire and inquire as to where to get it. It might be a good idea to navigate in a different area while dressed. It is also a good idea to treat this other lady as you would like to be treated. Maybe eventually they will get the idea that you're not trying to start anything, you are jusst living your life as you choose.

[CONSUELO]

When visiting San Francisco I used to get up early in the morning and go for a run that took me up to Van Ness Avenue and through some of the seedier areas. I often encountered prostitutes who were on their way home after working the night and they would shout all sorts of remarks at me. Most were more or less humorous but a few were rather nasty-- and I was just in normal running gear.

Of course I would ignore it all and that is what you should do Jessica. Do not get into a slanging match with these people as they are as tough as nails. They have to be. "Pretty Woman" they are not.

[Badwolf]

Hey I agree with everything Ezekiel is saying. I would actually bet on the fact that all of you standing on your high horse saying she's a criminal have broken AT LEAST one law even within the last year.

Did you fully stop at every stop sign?
Did you have ice-cream in your pocket on Sundays in Florida?
Do you have more than 2 dildos in a house in AZ?
Did you sing happy birthday to the original tune?
Thrown out junkmail sent to your house that wasn't addressed to you?
Friendly neighborhood poker game with real money?
Go over the speed limit?
Download a video or show anything on TV to a group larger than about 5 people?

All of these (some semi-rediculous), cover a pretty wide set of the people on this forum. All of them are real laws on the books.

Without getting into arguments of HOW and WHEN they should be enforced, do any of them make you less worthing of basic human dignity? Socio-paths arguably are the only ones that can't be treated with all parts of human dignity, because they will probably abuse it (even then it's a struggle to hold on to your own self esteem in many cases if you don't at least try). Everyone else is kind of on the same playing field, with no one really knowing WHY the person is doing what they are doing.

[Lori Kurtz]

I have to admit that if a prostitute hissed at me, I'd find it intensely exciting, because it would make me think that she had perceived some feminine sexual power in me that she felt was a threat to her business. But I hope that I would be smart enough, as some other girls have suggested, to get myself to a safer place. Hope you'll do the same.