You Goal as a Crossdresser

[Krisi]

Reading the posts here, I have come to realize that we have many different goals as regards to crossdressing. Not goals as what we want to do or be in the future, but just our goals dressing each day.

For some, it seems to be wearing the clothes. Not trying to look or act like a woman, just wanting to wear the dresses or heels. For some, it's going out in public as a "man in a dress" to see how people react.

For others, there's a greater effort to look like a woman. Breast forms, wigs, makeup and jewelry. We may go out in public attempting to pass or blend in as women or we may just parade around the house looking in the mirror or taking photos.

The reason I posted this thread is, I recently saw a post in the photo gallery of a girl who had gone to a lot of trouble to get a makeover and get all dolled up and had photos taken. In many of the shots she looked like a beautiful woman, but in the shot from directly in front, she looked like a beautiful man. Her body was as straight as a 2X4 from her armpits to her knees. I've seen many other photos that were similar. A lot of work on the outfits, hair and makeup, but no thought for the figure.

I didn't say anything because she didn't ask, but folks, if you want to look like a woman, you have to add some padding. Look at woman's clothing size charts and you'll see that the hip measurements are usually slightly bigger than the bust and the waist is considerably smaller. Remember the term "hourglass figure"? That's what we have to aim for. Fail to do that and you'll be read every time. Boobs and a wig won't do it.

[Kate Simmons]

My goal is always the same, to have fun with it. :)

[kimdl93]

I agree. If one is seeking to be perceived as a woman, a certain amount of shaping is essential. The appearance of a waist and hips touches some primeval receptor in the brain. It may not totally offset other masculine features, but certainly helps set expectations.

[Sarah-RT]

Not all women are hourglass obviously, you must not have heard of the apple or pear shapes. With that said, yes being as straight as a two by four can be a give away but it depends on the goals. Around the house or for a personal photo, what does it matter, the person is happy doing what they are doing. The same goes for going outdoors too, most of us won't venture out unless we are happy with our look.

Sarah x

[CynthiaD]

Lots of women are straight as two-by-fours. The hourglass figure is for models.

[Katey888]

Krisi - my first read of this just tweaked my dogma alarm... and Sarah's summarised the issue here for me quite well - when you say:


Remember the term "hourglass figure"? That's what we have to aim for. Fail to do that and you'll be read every time.

- you're obviously not looking at how the 'average' woman looks anywhere nowadays. Hourglass had it's heyday a few decades back and has made a bit of a revival lately, but there are still plenty of non-hourglass women out there and for me, it's never been much of an attention grabber. I've personally always preferred more athletic-type physiques so I think your assertion that we'll be read because we don't have that type of figure falls flat: there are plenty of other reasons beyond that why we may be read, and just 'passing' isn't necessarily why many of us do the things we do.

In the same way that GGs come in all shapes and sizes (rarely hourglass...) so do we - and more than that our individual motivation for doing what we do is rarely exactly the same and - aside from those who may deliberately set out to offend, which are few - I think we need to positively respect the rights of everyone to dress and feel good about it, however they do it and however they look. :)

Personally, I don't like too much padding - we are what we are and while a good dose of makeup is as much of a facade as some GGs use, padding just seems weirdly false to me... (and yes, I realise the apparent hypocrisy of that feeling :))

There are more than enough muggles out there who will judge us for simply doing this without us judging each other on the correctness of our presentation. There are no right and wrongs with this - do what you feel is right and good for you... :bringiton:

Katey x

[njcddresser]

A great question. I can't say that I have any set goal. I've know my entire life that I had very strong feminine desires and finally acted upon them about a year and a half ago. It has been a journey of self-awareness and self awakening. I love the person that I have become and have embraced every moment. So if I have a goal, I guess it will be to continue to embrace the feminine me and enjoy every moment of it!

[jigna]

I just wear it for pleasure and a satisfaction.
My goal is to grow my breast size from 38 to 42.

[bridget thronton]

To each her own - i observed what Katie has women my age have all shapes. I decided that being natural was the best way for me to go.

[Zylia]

While I think everyone should set their own 'goals', I do consider padding a necessity for practically everyone if you want a decent presentation. 'Hourglass' may be too strong of a word, but women in general do have certain proportions that a lot of crossdressers do not have. Hip pads help a lot in that regard. You may consider them 'false' or whatever, everyone's free to draw that line at any arbitrary point. More power to you if you don't want or need them, I'm just glad I do not look like an actual pencil in a pencil skirt.

[cheryl reeves]

with me womens clothes fit me better then mens clothes,for mens clothing just hangs off me for ive always been between sizes,ex. a womens 18 fits and looks better then a mans 38 which hangs on me. ive never had to add padding,other then bra fillers.

[Dana44]

h'm strangely my measurements are 38 30 38. The perfect hourglass is 36 24 36. So, I may be skinny and look like a 2x4 but I do look sexy when I'm dressed. I'm tall like a model and sure do look at their manners and clothing. Perhaps we are getting used to big hips. I like what I have.

[pamela7]

The goal topic has been extensively discussed before, on the forum. Personally I've had enough goals at work to live without another one in the rest of my life. I'm grateful to enjoy the CD experience without goals.

[Adriana Moretti]

I'm with Kate.....my goal is to just have fun with it...I will set small goals like " I must master putting on false lashes" or...'I need to travel more"...but no no goals.....and as far as padding...i like to show myself " as advertised" ...that way there is no fooling anyone when its time to undress, wink wink....

[Rachael Leigh]

Kate Simmons Im with you just have fun. I've gone out a few times and always enjoyed it. Did I fear someone might notice sure but so what it's none of their business. So do I try my best to pass sure I do but know overall I don't its just the experience for me.

[Nef]

For my part, i can say i got no goal at all.. I can't dress up all the time unfortunately and as soon as i can, i remove that men outfit. I do everything I feel like doing but in femme.. and the difference is, I just feel sexier while doing stuff around the house :)

[Candice June Lee]

My wife is straight and square like a 2x4. Only now she gained some weight and has larger breasts. She looks good in better than that to me. Kinda my model. Not to big on the breasts and make the rest work in clothing styles. I am just taller and thicker than she in the same proportions so the help issue there should be easy.

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Krisi, My goal is to look as feminine as possible with breast forms and hip pads.:daydreaming:

[Tracy Hazel Lee]

I can always extract fun from my dressing, but my goal, is to be happy with my presentation. A big part of that, is making sure that I do everything I can to hide as many male cues as possible, and at the same time, create a feminine shape. My hips and butt need a LOT of help in that area, so my padded garments are an absolute must. I get great satisfaction in putting on a dress, straight off the rack, and having it fit and shape to me in all the right places. Without padding, this would not be possible. To myself, these garments are no different than, and fill the exact same role, as breastforms. They all provide me with shape in areas where I don't naturally have it.

[UNDERDRESSER]

Lots of women are straight as two-by-fours. The hourglass figure is for models.Hah! Don't think so. There is a bit of a swing back to more womanly ( hourglass ) figures lately, but the biggest trend has been stick thin for quite some time.

[Jenniferathome]

..., but folks, if you want to look like a woman, you have to add some padding. ...Remember the term "hourglass figure"? That's what we have to aim for. Fail to do that and you'll be read every time. Boobs and a wig won't do it.

I disagree. Padding is one more step to aid the illusion but it is not THE answer because there is no "THE" answer. If you are a cross dresser, there are a million other subtle cues that tell every person you interact with that you are a man. Perfect padding would not alter a persons impression of me as I ordered dinner or asked for help in a store. I am more commonly mistaken for a transsexual, I believe, rather than a cross dresser. I think that is about the best a man can hope for.

[Amy Fakley]

Well ... my "goal" when I'm dressing really is just to drop my masculine fascade and just let my girly self out into the world for a little while. Looking in the mirror and seeing a girl really helps, and to the extent that shapers and padding help me construct a presentation that doesn't trip my subconscious visual bs detector .. I will most definitely use them to the fullest.

unless it's hot out, because ... girl, it's like 200 degrees outside where I live, and sometimes it's just nice to put on a sundress and be in the sun, without sweating gallons into my corset, and my pads, and my forms ...

So I'm just sayin ... sometimes I just want to be pretty and comfortable ... and sometimes that means I have a really dudely shape for a lady.

C'mon Fall! Knee boots, opaque tights and sweater dresses! :-)

[flatlander_48]

Ladies, we must remember that Olive Oyl does exist! Perhaps not a 2x4, but similarly shaped.

Anyway, my goal would be reaching a state where I am comfortable with my presentation. That would be a mixture of clothes, shaping, makeup and attitude. I have hit it from time to time, but it isn't consistent. Usually I'm OK with my presentation, but every now and then it is "You got it goin' on, Baby Girl!!". Usually, if you look good, you feel good. And if you feel good, you're more likely to be pleased with how you look.

Classic Hourglass? No, but Semi Hourglass may be more descriptive as I have enough in back, but the hips are lacking a bit. With 38DD forms and no padding below the waist, I would be 42-34-43...

DeeAnn

[Hell on Heels]

Goals?
Save 'em for soccer, or hockey games.
You can use the padding there too!
I prefer to go without it myself.
Much Love,
Kristyn

[jemima_bates]

My hips and butt need a LOT of help in that area, so my padded garments are an absolute must. I get great satisfaction in putting on a dress, straight off the rack, and having it fit and shape to me in all the right places.

Me too! I can't do without the padding. However, as others have said, if that's not your bag then so be it.

My goals: to present an image that I can photograph that is attractive to me, and to be as damn sexy as possible!

Jemima x

[Samantha2015]

No real goals. I just try to make the best looking version of me I can when I dress.
That's the fun part for me. Start with a lump of dork and end up with something that resembles a female. :heehee:
Hip/butt pads are a must for me. I wish the hip part was a little bit more hippy but it seems
to do the trick for now.

[Marie-Claude, France]

My goal is to enjoy my lady side.
My dream - I cannot call it a goal - would be to be socially accepted one day as a woman, in everyday life.

[Pat]

That's funny. One of my goals in dressing is to avoid goals. Also to avoid rules and lists and general uptight, must-have-a-number-for-everything, must-control-everything male-ness. Me and Popeye share a mantra -- I yam what I yam. ;)

[jamie-upstate]

Goal
Put on make-up and like the way it looks
put on something that makes me feel good (pretty ,cute, sexy whatever my mood)
Hear the sound of high heels on a wooden floor
A little perfum is nice sometime

[Tracii G]

Goals? Well look the best I can I suppose when in girl mode.
As far as goals I try not to worry about those and just enjoy being me.

[Amanda77]

I don't have any goals other than to just enjoy feminine clothing and be myself

[Krisi]

Well, it appears I created confusion by using the word "goals". I'm not sure I could substitute a different word to make myself clear but the real question was supposed to be, are you trying to look and feel like a genetic woman?

My point was, if you are, you can't just do it with a wig and breast forms. Unless you have a really unusual build for a man, you're going to have to pad the hips and butt as well. You only have to look at a woman's clothing size chart to know this. And remember, you have broader shoulders than a genetic woman. You can't make them smaller so you have to make the bottom bigger to minimize the shoulder size.

Do yourself a favor - take some photos of yourself from the rear. Do you see a woman or a man in a dress?

[Georgina]

My goal would be to be accepted as someone in a dress or skirt with gender not being important. I don't use padding, except for breast forms, but I have worn a girdle for forty years and I have a hip spring of five inches. That is with a girdle on.

[Nadine Spirit]

My point was, if you are, you can't just do it with a wig and breast forms. Unless you have a really unusual build for a man, you're going to have to pad the hips and butt as well. You only have to look at a woman's clothing size chart to know this.

According to you. Of course you do realize that you line of reasoning is offensive to genetic women right? You are trying to make a point to cross dressers... but in doing so you are indicating that there is a certain look or size for a woman. It is this line of reasoning that has caused so many people to have body image issues. If you don't fit the image of what some think a woman should be, then somehow you are less of a woman? Or an ineffectual cross dresser?

I don't need to look at clothing size charts, I look at actual real world women, to understand that women come in all shapes and sizes, regardless of what the garment industry seems to indicate. Just ask some women. There is much discontent from GGs regarding the clothing that they are "supposed" to fit into.



And remember, you have broader shoulders than a genetic woman. You can't make them smaller so you have to make the bottom bigger to minimize the shoulder size.


You really do like to talk in generalizations; so every man has wider shoulders than every woman? Sorry, nope. I don't believe in the hips being wider make the shoulders smaller in appearance theory. This is an oft repeated cross dresserism.

Really what I think you are attempting to get at, is that adding some hip or butt padding can help give men the traditional female shape. And by giving this shape it helps to add to the overall illusion and is one less "tell" that it is a dude in a dress. But I think you are failing to see that not every woman is built the way you seem to think they are. Believe it or not, there are plenty of women out there who don't have a big booty and are not hippy at all. Hips and butts, are one tell among hundreds of them. Whether or not I wear hips pads is not going to make any difference at all in how the public perceives me. I've tested the theory.

Oh, and I have taken plenty of pictures from the rear, without any padding, and my conclusion is that I have a cute little butt.

[Judith96a]

I had a good look around me as I went to and from lunch today. There were loads of women around, mostly "all dressed up" (graduations going on). I would say that proportion with a "classic hour-glass figure" was less than 50%. A lot of the younger women have quite boy-ish hips. Most of the older women haven't. There were all ages, shapes & sizes. Yet none looked like a guy in a frock.
My 'goal' is to be able to go out and about without attracting any unwelcome attention. Anyone getting a good look at 'Judith' (at a range of less than 5 feet), or who hears me speak, will be in no doubt that I'm not a GG. Just have to live with that. But if at say 10 yards range they are not confident enough to "sir" me then I reckon that I've succeeded!

[AngelaYVR]

Your mission, should you choose to accept it...

When I get dressed up I wear the clothes that I think are attractive on a woman (usually a bit - or a lot! - retro) and also pad out my shape to proportions I like. I get what you're saying Krisi and Nadine got it too, about minimising male features as much as possible. Ultimately I'm just doing what makes me happy and I like the fact that everyone here has their own way of going about that, too!

[CONSUELO]

Fully accept myself as a cross dresser and fully enjoy it.

[Samantha Clark]

My main goal is to be happy. Looking shapely and feminine in a nice dress or skirt goes a long way towards that. So I need the wig, forms, pads, makeup …whatever it takes.

My other goal is to find a way to tame those pesky eyebrows without doing something permanent that would freak out my wife!

[Lorileah]

Given: there are anatomy "tells" in most people, Nature set it up that way so you could choose a reproductive mate even if your eyes were bad or at 50 feet.
Caveat: There are exceptions to the "given". You can modify the "Tells" with exercise, endocrine changes, genetics.
Truth: No one has the perfect shape that you see in media without help.

Now back to the point....

[suchacutie]

My goal is to be so natural at being Tina that I can flip back and forth from one gender to the other as a second nature. We're not there yet but we'really working on it hard!

And yes, a part of that work is to reform our body into a suitable compromise. Another 15 # should do it! But that'should only the visible goal. The rest is natural body movement, use of voice, and thought patterns in conversation. So much to do :)

[Mjane]

I an with Kate on this! to each their own... just make sure you are having fun.

[Heelios]

Personally, I am just having a bit fun with it. Not trying to pass but enjoying the feelings I get from dressing en femme.

[Katey888]

Do yourself a favor - take some photos of yourself from the rear. Do you see a woman or a man in a dress?

Some of us do, Krisi... Many of us take photos from the front and sides also... A few of the braver souls (and those looking for encouragement and advice for development) actually post them here too... :)

Curiously, I see that you yourself have posted........... Zero pics :eek: (other than your avatar)

Care to share your secrets with the members here...?

Couldn't sharing just help everyone understand what you're getting at? A picture being worth a thousand words and all... :thinking:

:D

Katey x

[Adriana Moretti]

I think that if a stranger reads you as a crossdresser you need to go home and work on your presentation. .

another famous krisi line from another thread...says the girl who has never interacted in public with anyone....( thats from another thread too )

go easy on em girl.....we are all not as fabulous as you. xoxo

[Alice Torn]

I use a variety of water balloon sizes, and a pantygirdle with butt ans hip pads built in, to give me just a little more curve in those areas. A goal? I think my goal, is to actually have the nerve, and teflon, to actually go somewhere dolled up again, before i die! Oh, Krisi, I have taken hundreds od photos, and videos, showing me from the back side. Some definitely give away my broad shoulders, and little butt, tell tale signs I am not a GG. But, some other of my creative work, makes me look exactly like a very tall lady. But, out in public, there really are a number of nuances that speak, Guy in a dress!!

[flatlander_48]

You can't make them smaller so you have to make the bottom bigger to minimize the shoulder size.

Only, I don't think that's how it works. Eyes are very good at discerning difference. A lot of disparity is what attracts attention because the proportions are off. If the proportions are roughly what's expected, it doesn't attract attention UNLESS there is a reference to provide scale.

DeeAnn

[Lori Kurtz]

My goal was always to create a realistic and sexually appealing female appearance. At first, it was only in my home, and the "realistic" concept was achieved only through some very generous application of imagination as I looked in the mirror. Over the years, my skills and techniques improved enough so that I felt fairly confident going out at night and being seen by others only from a distance. Fairly early on, I was able to create a very realistic (and deliciously ample) chest. But I still had the straight-up-and-down look below the waist. When I figured out how to pad my hips and butt using padded panties and girdles and the pads that come with them, the difference was breathtaking. It was not really an hourglass figure, but I had some great curves. For me, the extra stuff that I added both in the chest and below the waist was an essential part of achieving my CDing goal.

[MonctonGirl]

To pass among women
and not get beat up
or arrested en-femme.

[TrishaTX]

Over the years , I have experimented with a few things, but over all. Buy yourself some good clothes, that feel good when you are in them. That is most important. I don't think I need butt padding but I defiantly need forms and have gone bigger this year...much to my delight. I do not think I can pass but some say I can some say I can't...who cares. I like the way I look and love to dress. I am happy with me....which is most important...no? The goal.......is to be happy!

[Jenniferathome]

...Do yourself a favor - take some photos of yourself from the rear. Do you see a woman or a man in a dress?

The world I live in is in 3D. People see you from 360 degrees. As I mentioned before, padding is only a small part of the total package. No amount of padding is going to fool anyone with whom you interact. You might also want to take a peak at female athletes. They all tend to be straight body types.

[Robin414]

Hmm, I think I'm transgender (pretty close to knowing) and my goal is really simple...I watched a documentary back in the late 70's about a trans woman. ..the interviewer asked her point blank..."but what if you're not pretty?" She just laughed, that's not the point! I just want to be recognized as a woman!

[Pump1]

I just dress for the fun of it. I don't try to emulate a woman. I just like the feeling of my dresses and hose and heels. No make up yet. Hopefully I will dabble in it soon.

Angela

[Joahnaxo]

My goal is to be able to step out en femme and be able to blend in with other woman I'm still a closet dresser but I'm dying to step out in my pumps

[Marcelle]

Hi Krisi,

I am going to have to disagree with you on this point. Women come in all shapes and sizes. I do not use padding (breast forms, hips, butt) because it just seems too laborious not to mention hot/uncomfortable to wear under clothing. Now my frame is on the small side for a man (5'6") but I have an athletic build (broader shoulders, narrow waist, guy arms/legs) but I believe I can pull off a narrow hipped/small chested woman quite well (fortunately I do have junk in the trunk which helps). If you put me side by side with my younger sister (we have compared BTW), while my build is more guy our figures are dead on 38A cup, 28 inch waist and 36 inch hips. Besides I have way too many face tells to worry about how my figure is perceived when out in public. :)

Cheers

Isha

[Krisi]

Well, I was trying to help but it looks like I brought out the haters instead.

If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. Some of you got it. And of course if you're not trying to pass as a woman, it's not important.

[Kelsey21]

Leave the house and blend in :)

[Marcelle]

Well, I was trying to help but it looks like I brought out the haters instead.

If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. Some of you got it. And of course if you're not trying to pass as a woman, it's not important.

Krisi,

I don't get where you are getting "the haters" from. You proposed that in order to truly pass as a woman you have to use padding to get an "hourglass" figure. Many here (myself included) disagreed because not every woman out there has an hourglass figure. It doesn't mean we are right and you are wrong or vice versa . . . it is an opinion based on what you posted.

Cheers

Isha

[Jenniferathome]

Well, I was trying to help but it looks like I brought out the haters instead.If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. Some of you got it. And of course if you're not trying to pass as a woman, it's not important.Or just maybe, what you wrote was kind of lame.

[immike]

I'm thoroughly in the closet,total secrecy.I thoroughly enjoy sneaking into my mothers closet&trying on her dresses&heels

[Lorileah]

k kids...enough. Kristi just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a hater. We all have opinions. no one was "hating"

[stefan37]

I have what I think obvious male physiology. I have breasts from HRT that are accentuated by bras. I don't have a gut but I have a thick waist. I have no hips. I don't wear padding. I have thinning hair, but don't wear a wig. I pass well during casual encounters. Longer encounters people will usually figure something is a little off. It's not my body that gives me away. It's the subtle male tells I need to work on.
Living full time for 2 years. Visually in order, hair, facial features, beard shadow, body hair. Posture. Voice. Speaking patterns and inflections, mannerisms and a while bunch of subtle clues.
Best advice I can give is be confident in who you are. Be pleasant, smile alot. And have fun.

[ShelbyDawn]

Interesting thread.

As far as my "Goals as a Crossdresser," I don't have any. I have many personal goals and among them is finding the proper balance where crossdressing comes to play in my life.

It is my opinion but I kind of get the impression that that is what we are all looking for.
This balance will be different for each of us and harder to attain for most than it is for some.
I wish I could be Isha(My Idol) but that is not in the cards for me.

I tend to be fairly realistic and as such know I will never pass so I seek my balance in finding ways to express my need to wear women's clothing without disrupting the rest of my life.
I have tried the deep dive into passing; makeup, wig, etc., with poor results.
I have found a place where I am comfortable, get to feel a bit feminine in my daily life and nobody notices or seems to care about what I am doing.

I wear panties every day with bras that are easy to conceal with the right shirt. In fact, depending on the shirt, I can even get away with some padding in the bras(BONUS!!!).
I wear women's tank tops as undershirts and women's jeans and keep my toes painted with clear polish.

With all of this, I feel at peace with who I am. I have the balance I need.

I still want to be Isha. :)

[Angie G]

My goal is to enjoy the time I dress and that a bit better then about 70% of my time. I sometimes do make-up but it's just for me I don't go out. Only my wife really knows Angie.:hugs:
Angie

[Lily Catherine]

My main goal, now that the burden of dressing is partially off my shoulders, is to come to terms with my identity. The act of cross-dressing in itself has fallen to secondary due to a hiatus, which leaves with me finding out my 'being' and where the balance lies. The environments I am in favour me opting for an extreme imbalance towards the masculine, but at what expense? I guess it'll be a long-term affair. Even in the wake of being outed by my family, they're increasingly skirting the topic these days, and likely don't want to know or see (any traces) of whoever-this-Lilian-person is. They've probably seen the "I'll be back soon. Love, Lilian" notes, however.

[IngeInCO]

My goal is to have fun and look pretty for me

[sometimes_miss]

Goals. Who knows. I'm certainly not a woman, but I'm not a man that women want, either. That kind of leaves me in limbo. So I guess I'm just trying to get through life with as little pain as possible, and hope for some brief moments of ecstasy along the way. In the meantime, I'll take solace in being able to dress in a way that makes me comfortable.

[Sometimes Steffi]

I agree. If one is seeking to be perceived as a woman, a certain amount of shaping is essential. The appearance of a waist and hips touches some primeval receptor in the brain. It may not totally offset other masculine features, but certainly helps set expectations.

Actually, studies have shown that the best waist to bust ratio is 0.7, but that for picking a mate for propagating the species. Fortunately, women come in all different shapes and sizes and different looks. I've seen many GGs with a very masculine face. How did I know they were GGs? I didn't actually. I took my best guess.

I think the Steff person inside of me is happier, more fun and more extroverted. I like to create the illusion of looking like a girl, but I'm only willing and able to accept minor modifications. I'm not in a position to shave my arm or body hair; I have very little natural hair left so a wig is required; I'm not in a position to pierce my ears, so I wear clip on earrings.

But, I still try to make the best girly presentation. I wouldn't go out as a man in a dress, without forms, a wig and makeup. Usually I pad butt and sometimes hips, but occasionally I go out without any hip or butt padding.

[Kevyn53]

Passing to me just happened a few days ago. If you're in a ladies room and you get "hon" from a GG, you're ok. Shape doesn't matter. I was in skinny jeans, low heels, a pink top and just minot jewelry. The way most CDs get read is they they are WAY overdressed for 2015.

[Jessica5536]

I'm just trying to figure that out myself.
From a very young age I wished that I was a beautiful woman.
Right now, just being somewhat passable would be a huge boost for my self esteem as a person.

[franlee]

I can answer this very easily, to make Me happy. Anything extra is just icing on the cake.

[OCCarly]

No goal. Just enjoying the trip.

[irene9999]

No "end game" per se, just enjoy looking pretty from time to time :)

[Krisi]

Some of us do, Krisi... Many of us take photos from the front and sides also... A few of the braver souls (and those looking for encouragement and advice for development) actually post them here too... :)

Curiously, I see that you yourself have posted........... Zero pics :eek: (other than your avatar)

Care to share your secrets with the members here...?

Couldn't sharing just help everyone understand what you're getting at? A picture being worth a thousand words and all... :thinking:

:D

Katey x

Wrong! This is what I meant by "bringing the haters out". There are "nice" ways to disagree with someone and there are "not nice" ways.

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?221230-Veronica-5&highlight=veronica+5

Why haven't I posted more pictures here? Because, having been in the IT and computer field, I realize that once you post anything on the Internet, you lose all control over it. Sure, you have to join this forum and make a certain number of posts before you can see other member's pictures, but there's no test to see if a new member is actually a crossdresser. Anyone could pretend to be one.

And even if one is truly a crossdresser, it's a simple process to copy a picture from this site to a personal computer and then publish it somewhere else. Facebook, for an example.

While I would find it uncomfortable to be "out" to family, friends and even neighbors, I keep my dressing private for my wife's sake.

[Katey888]

OK Krisi - I'm big enough to apologise for being wrong about you posting pics... you've posted at least one view from behind. :)

I really don't understand the 'hater' comment though... I disagree with your rather dogmatic view (as do many others here) that your way and perspective is the only way and the rather dismissive way that you treated one member's experience and presentation as part of a makeover, and the further inference that other crossdressers who present as a 'man in a dress' in public do so only - as you say - "to see how people react." If that isn't intolerant or misunderstanding I don't know what is...?

Perhaps you could be prepared to be a bit more broadminded about the mixed motivations that drive an extremely varied and diverse community - understanding why other people are motivated to do similar things has helped me be more accepting about myself and how much of individuals we are. I'm sorry if you think my way of disagreeing is "not nice" but I will use what limited free speech we have here to call out dogma and closed-mindedness... You have a right to your opinion just as everyone else here has a right to challenge it. :bringiton:

Now, what exactly is it that I'm supposed to be hating... Please do explain...? :hmph:

Katey

[Lee Andrews]

My goal is to one day spend some time as Lee at Fantasy Fair or the like and not give two farts whether I come close to passing or not.

[Wandacdmn]

I want to be convincing and I want to have a shape and look and posture that doesnt scream "I'm a man"!

[Dana44]

I want to be able to pass. Mostly I think I do, yet I do see people check me out sometimes. I do not try to emulate a woman though. I think I'm a bit more androgynous.

[Chantel Lacey]

My goal is to be happy, I live it one day at a time.,. Things can change in an instant an no matter how much we prepare the unexpected seems to arrive more often then not.,. To me Life is a play an we all play our part.,. The only difference is how we want to live our part personally.,. Me Im still guessing but this sure feels good to me.,. Cheer ;)

[Josieone]

My goal as a crossdressers is just to pass. Go out and not even think twice. I'm Josie. I want that confidence.

[macada10]

Women whispering...I would kill for that figure :_D

[Samantha_Smile]

[sarcasm]/There are goals?
I wasn't made aware this was a game or mission?
OMG! Have I totally missed the point to all this??
LOL I can be SUCH and air head tee-hee. :heehee:/[end;sarcasm]

Damn, I just do what needs to be done and enjoy every
second
I get as Samantha (hasn't been much of late, not had muchnew to wear for a while).
Never had goals other than "Wanna go out while I'm still slightly young"
and
"I'm still dreaming of shaved legs"
(for context my wife requests I do not shave them, and we're good with that, but a gurl can dream)...

[Badwolf]

There is a category of women's bodies that suffer a lot of the same issues you mentioned though. Look up "boyish figure" and you'll see complaints about hips and breast sizes. In most cases though the biggest issue for us to look like them is size. Most boyish figured girls are relatively smaller framed. Not 5'9 over 180lbs.

[ChubbyLeahCD]

My goal is to feel good about myself and feel pretty!
That allows me to accept myself...and one day I hope my wife can accept me. Sometimes my goal is to feel sexy and just search for the pleasing of my body.
Do I try to act girly? Of course I do, but I don't want to hide my body. I'm chubby, I have a big butt and long thick legs.
Have been told that when dressed my body figure looks like a lady's. Heck my counselor (who agrees to meet me while I'm en femme) has told me she thinks my legs and booty look great.

[Krisi]

Don't put a lot of stock in what your counselor says. This is a person that you are paying. It's the same for sales people in stores. They want you happy so you will spend money.

Take photos or videos. Examine them closely. Be critical. If you have friends or strangers that see you dressed or that you can show photographs to, ask them.