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Marcelle
10-03-2015, 06:09 AM
Hi all,

As many know I have come out completely at work and now work full time as a woman. Now being in a military setting can be difficult but when that setting is a Headquarters environment with an eclectic group of military and civilian folks in the Nation's capital it does make it a bit easier. Last week I had the opportunity to clear a major hurdle working as a woman in the military world. Specifically, I was sent to a main Army training base to conduct focus groups with combat arms officers for a project I am working on. I have spent a lot of time on this base as a man both in training and instucting. Most of the people I was going to come in contact with knew me quite well . . . as a man. The base itself is 80% male and to my knowledge 0% trans. The culture is combat arms oriented so think uber alpha male. So into this I ventured spending the entire week working and living as a woman (I took no male clothing). It was surreal at some moments but for the most part I was treated professionally. Don't get me wrong I got a lot of WTF stares but things were relatively peaceful for me.

I had informed the appropriate chain of command on the base that I was trans and would be working as a woman, so they were prepared. The working group was awkward at first as I think quite a few older guys (who remember the days when our kind were released from the military) adjusted. With the exception of one, they all settled into a comfortable place and while they struggled with gender pronouns they apologized if they got it wrong and surprisingly were consummate gentlemen in that they always held the door for me (very unexpected). One officer did not adjust well and was quite rude and dismissive throughout, refused to use the proper gender pronouns (always referring to me as "him"). I had a talk with him and let him know he did not have to like it but he still needed to act professionally. When he continued in the rude manner, the chain of command dealt with him and he was removed (after apologizing to me in front of the team). Oh well, you can't change everyone. Following the working group I had to brief senior leadership on the outcome (General level) and surprisingly not one officer at the briefing batted an eye. They were legitimately engaged in asking me questions and used the proper pronouns throughout.

Being on base was a bit odd since the ratio of women to men is very small. So anyone who looks remotely female gets that really creepy toe to head leer. So it was a bit surreal to be put in that uncomfortable position. Not to mention it took a bit of getting used to hearing "Ma'am" vice "Sir" when someone saluted me. As I indicated for the most part it was uneventful with mainly the odd confused stare. I did have one small issue my first meal time in the dinning hall. I was standing in line to get my food when I noticed three junior officers doing the "nudge, nudge, wink, wink chuckle while pointing at me". Now I was in uniform and it was obvious I was a Major so trans issue aside, this was not appropriate behavior from subordinates. So, I left the line went over and asked "Is there something about my personal circumstances which amuse you gentlemen?". I don't think they were prepared for a confrontation and as it was a busy dining hall all eyes were on them. When they refused to respond I asked them again and when a response was still not forthcoming I told them to follow me out the dinning hall to which they complied (it is never good form to dress down a subordinate in front of others). Once away from the crowd I read them the riot act, took their names and the name of their supervisor and asked them if they understood the concept of harassment and how they were breaking that regulation. They got sheepish about it but nodded and mumbled something to which I replied, "Nodding and mumbling are not good traits in an officer gentlemen, I think the wording you are looking for is 'yes Ma'am'". They responded in the affirmative and I dismissed them. I never did give their names up to their supervisors as I think the experience will resonate with them for some time.

So as far as working goes, this is probably the toughest crowd I will ever have to face and things went relatively smoothly.

Not that it means a lot, but I have provided a proof of life photo of me outside my quarters. That was my standard dress on base . . . not super sexy but definitely more comfortable than a dress uniform.

Cheers

Marcelle (Isha)

Donnagirl
10-03-2015, 06:28 AM
Damn girl.....


You rock..

mykell
10-03-2015, 06:35 AM
always a pleasure to read about your progress marcelle...especially in that environment, your tact and resolve are to be commended,
as always thanks for sharing your journey with us and i wish you continued success....

Jennifer-GWN
10-03-2015, 06:43 AM
Isha;

I have so must respect and admiration for you and who you've become. So very well done. Yes while also looking the darn good officer. Yes ma'am... I salute you.

Cheers... Jennifer

steftoday
10-03-2015, 06:49 AM
Isha- you are so friggin awesome. just...wow.

Laura912
10-03-2015, 06:51 AM
Congratulations on being an officer and lady or gentlewoman, whichever you prefer. Are you career military?

Kaitlyn Michele
10-03-2015, 08:24 AM
I'm super happy for you Isha!!! Well done!!!

One thing i learned in transition is that many people just don't care that much, I've experienced that feeling of once a person gets over the momentary shock they just get used to it and move on

Nigella
10-03-2015, 08:26 AM
Having served my time, I can understand, in certain circumstances, how discipline has helped in how easy things are going for you. Despite that you obviously have hurdles that need to be crossed, but to your credit you have handled them in a professional manner, as indicated by your direct approach to those who fail to conduct themselves in a proper manner.

Claire Cook
10-03-2015, 08:30 AM
Wow, all of the above ... Isha, you are such a model for us. And the way you handled those junior officers, my goodness me. Just one question. How did you manage the living quarters?

PretzelGirl
10-03-2015, 08:41 AM
Isha, you are continually creating new spaces for us. That is awesome. I was in the Army in tanks for four years. Even with all the progress we have made since I was in, I couldn't imagine going on a purely combat arms base without an immense amount of nerves. And with no backdown, you are handling it appropriately and with a great level of care (not turning the guys in). My hat is off to you. That had to be a nerve wracking trip and now is quite a feather in your cap.

stefan37
10-03-2015, 09:00 AM
As you interact more. It becomes much more comfortable. I know those feelings you describe. I attend continuing education courses in an industry that is 99% make. I teach vo tech courses that are 100% male.

An advantage you have many of us don't is rank. Handling disrespect in civilian life is far different than being able to pull rank.

I have tremendous respect for you transitioning as you are. I lived full-time for 18 months without the benefit of FFS or a wig. II know how difficult and challenging that can be.

abigailf
10-03-2015, 10:27 AM
So, I left the line went over and asked "Is there something about my personal circumstances which amuse you gentlemen?".

You are awesome. You handled that with dignity and respect. Thanks for being a great role model in today's military and thanks for your service (and all those that serve(d)).

Badtranny
10-03-2015, 12:42 PM
amazing.

Not closeted

Not "dressing"

Just being

Let's hear from all those who think they are in 'the middle' just like Isha. Because I beg to differ.

Isha is OUT and proud.

Bria
10-03-2015, 12:45 PM
I believe that you handled the junior officer situation very appropriately, and I bet the word will get around VERY quickly!

Hugs, Bria

Eringirl
10-03-2015, 07:20 PM
DAMN!! That's my girl!!

:D

CFB Gagetown will never be the same....and that is a GOOD thing.... !

Friggin' awesome.

Chat soon.

Erin

KellyJameson
10-03-2015, 07:44 PM
I'm sure you can take care of yourself but your stories still give me shivers. I hope you do not become an object of hate.

So many men hold women in contempt and this mixed with transphobia can turn deadly.

I'm praying this story has a happy ending. I cannot imagine doing what you are doing in the middle of Alphaville.

Toxic masculinity mixed with the military and a trans woman in the middle of this.

I'm amazed by you and worried for you.

Barbara Ella
10-04-2015, 01:36 AM
Girl, you rock it! Such poise is admirable and not often found. It is so great to see you demanding respect not just for the uniform and rank you earned, but for your womanhood, which you have also earned, and so rightly own.

Hugs,

Barbara

Badtranny
10-04-2015, 02:28 AM
I'm amazed by you and worried for you.

Isha's story is what courage looks like.

You're wasting good worry on her. She doesn't need it, she's too busy being free.

Marcelle
10-04-2015, 06:00 AM
Hi all,

Thanks for all the kind comments and support. It was challenging but I truly believe people get used to change quickly and by the end of the week, I may have still noticed a hushed whisper in the dinning hall now and then but for the most part people went about their business.



. . . Are you career military?

Hi Laura,

33 years to date . . . two more to retirement :)


. . . How did you manage the living quarters?

Hi Claire,

The quarters are coed with single rooms so no big issues there.


. . . I'm praying this story has a happy ending. I cannot imagine doing what you are doing in the middle of Alphaville.

Toxic masculinity mixed with the military and a trans woman in the middle of this.

I'm amazed by you and worried for you.

Hi Kelly,

Fortunately the Canadian military has very strong harassment policy and a strong TG policy in place. While you cannot change people's attitudes the culture of discipline tends to override the imperative to be a D-Bag.




. . .Just being

Hi Melissa,

Love this as that is exactly the way it felt . . . just being

Cheers all

Isha

Heidi Stevens
10-04-2015, 07:22 AM
Isha, you just broke my respect meter and no you don't need to fix it! I'm so proud that you have taken your well earned position in the Canadian Military and are using it to inform others one base at a time. You may not change minds, but you are still educating them. And of course in that quite polite Canadian way.

Giselle(Oshawa)
10-04-2015, 07:52 AM
Isha i am so proud of you my wife the way you hold your head high
God Bless you sis

Sarah V
10-04-2015, 10:52 AM
Don't worry about the picture, as fatigues are always more comfortable than Class "A's". Well deserved Congratulations is enough!!

Abby Kae
10-04-2015, 12:05 PM
Isha, you continue to be an inspiration. I hope I can deal with my naysayers with the same aplomb and grace you show.

Nadya
10-04-2015, 12:42 PM
Marcelle (Isha),

You are always such an inspiration. Your bravery of just going to work in a male-dominated environment should give others afraid of to be themselves courage to push forward. I always look forward to reading about your experiences as it helps me a lot to move forward. If it weren't for your and others like you, I probably wouldn't have come as far as I have. You look great in your uniform. Thanks for sharing! <3

ReineD
10-04-2015, 03:12 PM
Hi Marcelle,

Congratulations! I love the way you handled the junior officers! :thumbsup:

I would love to see the American military adopt the same progressive policies as Canada, and it's astounding that Canada started supporting transition in 1992, even before we had widespread internet! I don’t even know if the US military are close. And I wonder what the policies are in European armed forces.

PaulaQ
10-04-2015, 03:50 PM
Congratulations Marcelle! It's been really amazing watching your progress over the past couple of years. I remember some of your first furtive excursions. And look at you now!

You look really cute in your BDUs, too...

Sheren Kelly
10-04-2015, 08:07 PM
I don’t even know if the US military are close.
Actually, they are getting there. Last weekend I met with several T-people from SPART*A (Servicemembers, Partners, and Allies for Respect and Tolerance for All). Currently one Army Dr. at Walter Reed is undergoing transition while on Active Duty, another recent graduate of the Naval Academy is awaiting clearance for orders after beginning transition following graduation/commissioning. Several others I met have already transitioned in place on their own, one just received a prestigious award for his (transman) service in the Navy Supply Corps.

If you do your job competently, there is more support out there than most would have expected. I am sure there will be holdouts in each service, but times are indeed changing as there is now support from above, starting with the President and Sec. of Defense.

Oh, and Marcelle, you ROCK!

Eryn
10-04-2015, 09:01 PM
...The base itself is 80% male and to my knowledge 0% trans....

You've been around this forum long enough to know that a lot of TG folks are in the military! I'm sure that you had a number of people thinking about their own situations in terms of your pioneering presence.

Good for you!

Marcelle
10-05-2015, 04:19 AM
Hi Eryn,

You are correct . . . I really meant to say "openly trans" vice "trans". There are quite a few of us in the military for certain and I have been contacted by three who wish to find ways to explore this side of them in the military.

Cheers

Isha

Donnagirl
10-05-2015, 04:54 AM
Isha,

I was going to ask if anyone has approached you for advice... There is one bloke at my work who I'm sure is trying to drum up the courage to talk...

Janelle_C
10-05-2015, 09:06 AM
Hi Marcelle

I have felt that I was stuck in the middle and was asking when do I get to just be!
I'm finally starting to feel on most days now that I just am!
Thank you so much for your courage! Hearing your story gives me strength.

Suzanne F
10-05-2015, 10:44 AM
Isha,
Your experience always helps put mine in perspective. I had more coming out last week that I am going to write about in a new thread. It pales in comparison with yours. I am so proud to know you!
Suzanne

PretzelGirl
10-05-2015, 11:09 PM
Post it Suzanne! We want to hear that too.

Erika Lyne
10-17-2015, 08:55 AM
Well Major "Hurdle," (aka: Major Marcelle)

That was handled amazingly. You've obviously prepped yourself well and you have a great respect by your fellow officers. That is a great feat. I am truely impressed by the way that you handled the junior officers' actions, very appropriate and professional for the military and with dignity too.

I'm proud of you and your achievements.
-Erika

Janice Ashton
10-17-2015, 11:35 AM
I work for the military (RAF) as a civilian (slightly different) but like Marcelle as working as a woman after working many, many years in male mode, I fully understand the inner fears you hold, if fear is the right word?
So, as a civilian, if permitted, I salute you!!! for your tenacity and strength as officer and a female...Good Luck for the future

Chriscrossed
10-19-2015, 04:55 PM
Awesome work and self discipline while giving some discipline. ;)