Correlation bwtween vasectomies and crossdressing/transgender

[pamela7]

I just wondered if there'd been any studies or polls on this subject: on whether there's a significantly higher % of mature CD/TG who had vasectomies, whether a high % of TS also had vasectomy earlier.

From the little web info I can gather 1-3% of males get vasectomies.

Any input appreciated, thanks


Pamela

[AngelaYVR]

Now that's getting specialised!
Of course, getting the old snip-snip does not affect testosterone levels, if that is what you are driving at. Actually, from my experience, vasectomies seem to be popular with men who have a wandering eye.

[Sarah-RT]

I believe my step dad had a vasectomy though I'm not 100% on that, he has two kids from a previous marriage and my mom has me and my sister so I think he decided on no more kids.

I can't imagine many CDers getting it done unless it was as a birth control, from what I've read in the TS forum HRT can affect the production of you know what as well as reduce and remove sexual desire.

I'd hazard a guess that those with extreme dysphoria would only be the ones to have it done

[Krisi]

I would think that your estimate of 1-3% of males getting vasectomies is way off. This is one of the most reliable and safe methods for a couple to insure that there will be no "accidental" children. It simpler and safer than a woman having an operation and it's simpler and safer than the woman taking birth control pills for 20 years or so.

As for a vasectomy leading to crossdressing, that's a pretty big stretch. I had one many years ago and I'm a crossdresser but I don't see that as scientific proof of anything.

[pamela7]

2012 in the uk there were 15,000 vasectomies, compared to 37000 in 2002 according to a new article i found on it. Extrapolating its unlikely more than 5% of UK males have had them.
A study in the usa showed 87% of vasectomies were caucasian, non-hispanic affluent, well-educated demographic.

My point was nothing to do with vasecotomies reducing testosterone, they don't, I was actually interested in whether its an early sign of a late-onset T, but I wanted to see if that emerged rather than explain first - best to avoid hypnotic inductions in analyses.

I was also interested if any of it correlated with post-vasectomy pain.

[andreanna]

Pain? No pain, just a bit of itch when the hair starts to regrow. I was back on the road in a couple days and that was 30 years ago.

[Tara Rushing]

I have had a vasectomy, I can't imagine any correlation. Especially since so many of "us" started dressing pre-teen. One benefit was shaving for the vasectomy. I have shaved ever since and my wife loves that as well.......

[Kaz]

Tara Rushing

Totally echo that!
Kaz

[Barbara B]

I had a vasectomy purely for a method of birth control and that was long after I began shaving and even longer after I started crossdressing. As for pain, I found it pretty pain free and was out on the local reservoir the next day trout fishing.

[Nikkilovesdresses]

Interestingly, 8% of men with tattoos contemplate a vasectomy, though only 2% actually go through with it, while 26% of women with tattoos contemplate it (for their male partners that is) and a startling 12% actually try to get their man to do it - of these about 2% are successful, which correlates neatly with the number of tattooed men who choose to do it. What isn't defined is the number of tattooed men who choose to have a vasectomy because of their female partner's urging. Of course it's possible that a number of men decide against the operation because they're sick of being nagged, but sadly that data remains unknown.

Of men without tattoos, such as myself, 1.8% have contemplated getting a tattoo post-vasectomy within the first 3 years, while 2.3% have contemplated it within 10 years. The most recent statistics indicate that having a vasectomy may even reduce the probability of getting a tattoo, but only among middle class men. There is a clear correlation between vasectomies and social behaviour: only about 1% of incarcerated males have had a vasectomy; 17% of Conservative politicians have had vasectomies, while Labour lags well behind with 7.4%. Among university graduates, the proportion who will have vasectomies between the ages of 25-45 is substantially higher among Oxbridge graduates than red brick oiks, and everyone else mostly doesn't think about such things as they're too busy watching TV and eating fatty pies.

I hope this helps :)

xxNikki

[Sarasometimes]

I think the age men get vasectomies just happens to coincide when we are old enough to acknowledge our needs to CD or for some consider transitioning.
For those who have had the procedure done was it done with you in a similar position as a women getting a pelvic exam?

[AllieSF]

I had mine in 1992 for birth control reasons and because I hated using condoms. Thank you Planned Parenthood. I had significant pain afterward and it took me longer to recover than I anticipated. I would think that number per year looks very low, but what do I know. I agree with Krisi as to the efficacy and safety of the procedure. My sex drive never changed, and the procedure had absolutely nothing to do with my late in life discovery of this side of me.

[SANDRA MICHELLE]

I had one done 30 years ago, strictly because we didn't want to have any more kids and it was easier for me than for my wife. I always joked that it was major surgery for me and the doctor used an 18 inch chain saw, LOL!!! I do remember sitting in my easy chair and my then 7 year old daughter jumping in my lap, OUCH! Also had zero to do with my crossdressing and no effect on sexual urge.

[Suzie Petersen]

Nikki: Do you have any statistics on how many women with tattoos have had a vasectomy? That might be of more interest to this forum ;-)

As for my own experience, I had the snip done at around age 35 (now mid 50's) for birth control reasons. We had the kids we wanted and I too dislike using condoms.
Had been dressing may years prior to that and continued many years after. The snip had no effect on desire to dress or sex drive.

I did experience considerable pain after the fact. It diminished to a reasonable level over about 6 months, but tucking was impossible for a long time and did not become pain free until around 2 years later.

I dont think the 1-3% number is correct! Based on just the number of people I know of among friends and family, I would think it must be significantly higher.

- Suzie

[Katey888]

I think there's probably a closer correlation between mature men who shave their legs and mature CD/TGs...

And about as much chance of shaving something causing a personality change...

So, the idea is that reducing T is connected with the CD/TG condition, is connected with an urge to run out and get the snip...? :confused:

You know there's a direct and inversely proportional correlation between the number of pirates (privateering, matches in beard, cutlass bearing types) and average global temperature... no, really... their decline is what's causing global warming...

I'm with Nikki on the sofa, watching TV and eating fatty pies before the pseudo-science warps my mind. :)

Katey x

PS: My datapipe for future generations is still fully connected and functional ;)

[Jaymees22]

Hi, I had a vasectomy 35 years ago, it seemed fairly routine at the time and really don't think it has anything to do with crossdressing. Jaymee

[pamela7]

So, the idea is that reducing T is connected with the CD/TG condition, is connected with an urge to run out and get the snip...? :confused:


Nope, not at all in my OP. I was wondering if predilection for vasectomy might be linked, for some people, with unconscious desire to transition - like an unaware stage 1.

As usual, the CD/T world appears to be full spectrum and uncorrelated with anything other than "desire/urge/need", or subjects unmentionable.

[Katey888]

As usual, the CD/T world appears to be full spectrum and uncorrelated with anything other than "desire/urge/need", or subjects unmentionable.

Give it a chance Pammie - doubt that the trans* world can be un-correlated by only 16 posts... you might get a bit of a run overnight... but I'm betting on non-correlation anyway... :)

Katey x

[sometimes_miss]

When you go looking for correlations, you can come up with just about anything, just keep looking, then just make something up! For example, did you know that virtually 100% of crossdressers drank milk as children? Maybe we should look for a link for that. A NEW STUDY MUST BE DONE!

[Susan Smith]

Ice cream causes sunburn - every year as ice cream sales increase so does the incidence of sunburn

For the record... Had the snip, cross dressed before and after, very little pain afterwards and all the same urges ��

[AngelaYVR]

... everyone else mostly doesn't think about such things as they're too busy watching TV and eating fatty pies

Which actually works like a vasectomy. Although I do enjoy a nice pie now and again.

[Eryn]

Interestingly, 8% of men with tattoos contemplate a vasectomy, though only 2% actually go through with it, while 26% of women with tattoos contemplate it (for their male partners that is)...everyone else mostly doesn't think about such things as they're too busy watching TV and eating fatty pies.
xxNikki

Nikki is definitely in the running for Post of the Day! :)

I've had a vasectomy, but it was over a decade between that an the onset of crossdressing. I don't see a correlation..

[Riley57]

yes to position

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perfect analysis. Had the vasectomy at 40 after 4 kids. Didn't wear a dress or use breast forms until I was 56. Unless time delay is part of the correlation...

[pamela7]

time delay may well be part of the correlation but its more complex than that, and probably not universal.
i did wonder if vasectomy could be an early sign of late-onset dysphoria
Eryn: you say over a decade, it was 9 years for me.

It's the late-onset TS demographic I'm most curious about in regard of this.

[alwayshave]

I had my vasectomy 22 years ago and it made no difference in my desire to dress, sex drive, etc... The only down side was my ex-wife really only wanted to have sex for reasons of procreation and without the ability have children, I was cut off.

[Carroll]

Had one 12 years ago and long after I was crossdressing. Pain...yep sure was for a few weeks. That was mainly due to a minor complication during the procedure.

[nikki2014]

I had a vasectomy about 5 years ago. It was done purely out of birth control. My wife and I have 6 children between the two of us and we just decided we didn't need any more. I don't think it has affected in any way in my CD-ing.

[Beverley Sims]

Pamela,

Probably no polls, no effect and it is purely a plumbing operation with little or no effect on sexual activity apart from more activity. :-)

[Nikkilovesdresses]

vasectomy might be linked, for some people, with unconscious desire to transition -

Now that's an interesting thought Pammie. Any other procedures or apparently unconnected indications that occur to you? I'm a bit too braindead to think of any at the moment.

[Eryn]

...Eryn: you say over a decade, it was 9 years for me.

It's the late-onset TS demographic I'm most curious about in regard of this.

Well, truth be told, and calculating from the age of my daughters, it's closer to 20 years.

I didn't experience any difference in mental state after the procedure, and 20 years later my T was still in the 600s, so obviously there was no effect there!

[Lacy PJs]

I do remember at the time that the Dr. mentioned that statistically, men who have vasectomies do live longer than men who don't.

Like a few others have mentioned, I had mine on a Thursday and I, too, had a small complication and developed a bit of an infection which did cause me some discomfort for a few days. But I was probably back to 100% after the weekend.

Lacy PJs

[shae]

I'll concur. It has nothing to do with my crossdressing; I had it 35 years ago and it simply broadened my horizons.

[Lorileah]

logically, no. You don't lose any testosterone, you only lose the ability to pass sperm. And again I have to wonder why you link hormone levels to crossdressing. If that were a reason, all it would take to remove it was shot once in awhile. If psychologically you are emasculated because you cannot make babies...maybe but then again, it could be reversed

[TrishaTX]

well count me as one that got one....once I had a boy and a girl I was done!

[Charona]

My vasectomy was done in the early '70s. Truthfully, I did not want any children at all, but my wife did. After the first (and only) I got the vasectomy. I was stationed overseas and actually had to go to a military clinic in a different country to have it done. It was several years later when my interest in crossdressing began, and then I think it was a matter of curiosity about how clothing of the other gender would feel. I doubt the vasectomy had anything to do with it.

[MissTee]

I often wondered if one had a vasectomy done while wearing a dress, would it create such a violent tear in the space time continuum that the resulting temporal displacement would puke you out prematurely and leave you forever stranded as a bearded lady in some Victorian gypsy traveling circus?

Thus, I never had a vasectomy and simply kept the dress on.

[pamela7]

logically, no. You don't lose any testosterone, you only lose the ability to pass sperm. And again I have to wonder why you link hormone levels to crossdressing. If that were a reason, all it would take to remove it was shot once in awhile. If psychologically you are emasculated because you cannot make babies...maybe but then again, it could be reversed

I don't link it, and in a reply i said as much. I suspected that for some, perhaps us late-developers, the vasectomy is an early sign of an unconscious dysphoria. The stats here say no, so I think i'm in my own little demographic of 1 now. :-)

Thank you everyone for your replies. xxx

[Tanya+]

CD here, driving force for me was having enough kids and not prepared to let my wife have a more invasive tubal ligation. I wasn't actively cross dressing then, the nurse praised my hair removal, that was the beginning of my personal war against body hair.

[Dana L]

I had my vasectomy over 20 years ago. At the time I was not actively crossdressing, but I still had the desire. We had 2 kids, one boy and one girl, so we were done having kids. It seemed like the most logical thing to do and the thought of no longer being able to produce sperm and father children was a definite plus. When I went in for my initial preop. check I asked I he could just remove my testicles altogether. He looked at my like I was crazy and explained why I needed them. He went on to ask why I would want them gone, and being to chicken to say why, all I could say was I didn't think they were necessary after a vasectomy and it would be alot more comfortable without them. Well everything went well, but I still wish I could have just had them removed.

[Jennifer Kelly]

I had a vasectomy in 2014 but it had nothing to do with my dressing. I've been dressing since I was 13. I was 40 when I had the vasectomy done. I don't any kids, so that's why I had it.