How many Stealth Transsexuals, CD's & Transgender MTF do you know?

[summerbunny]

I know of a Few dozen that no one would ever suspect.
i know of a few thats model and not many know,two are three thats married and the husband does not know. i know one that was just outed by a GG after modeling for several years in stealth as a GG.

[LaurenS]

Things are different here than LA, that's for sure! None that I am aware of, but if we look at the ratios of population size of my town to LA, that would be about right.

Do trans exist in flyover states?

Just kidding, I know they do, it's just more discreet and/or suppressed. The smaller the village, the more pressure on conformity.

[Beverley Sims]

About five or six here, They trust me not to out them, likewise the agreement goes the other way too.

[Krisi]

None. Not a single one. Well except for me that is. I did see a transsexual who was a student at a beauty school where I went once.

[AllieSF]

I really do not know because they are so stealth and passable that I cannot tell the difference.

[summerbunny]

stealth is beyond passable.

I know of a few famous lingerie magizines that have TS and CD models in deep stealth

[Annajose]

None that I know, I saw a couple of transexuals at a concert once and some walking near Reforma in México city.
But is still very repressed in the professional environment in México

[Lauri K]

I know a few, but most are so stealth and passable that I cannot tell the difference. (most of the time)

Guess I am naive, but I am amazed at how many girls are TG/TS that can look / act like real GG's.

I think those in transition are the ones we see most often, otherwise post transition most seem to blend in.

[lmildcd]

I don't know anyone personally.

[Lena]

I've never knowingly meet any in the flesh.

[MissDanielle]

I'm too public to be stealth as far as my digital footprint goes...

But I'm not going out completely until I can pass (3 days HRT today).

[Tracii G]

Sure I know quite a few that are stealth and more that are not.

[heatherdress]

If they are "stealth" transgender individuals, how would we know them?

[Jenniferathome]

stealth is beyond passable.

I know of a few famous lingerie magizines that have TS and CD models in deep stealth

Beyond passable? If someone is passable, you mean they pass as a genetic woman, right? So if someone passes a genetic woman, how does one go beyond passing as a woman? Are they like an ovum or something?

And there are degrees of stealth too? If "stealth" is secret or imperceptible, then what is "deep stealth" ? I mean how much more secret can something be if it's secret? Is this like double secret probation for Delta House?

Of course given you know so many, they are apparently not very stealthy, are they.

[PaulaQ]

If they are "stealth" transgender individuals, how would we know them?

You have to know the secret handshake. Or lead a support group for trans people... Some people who are stealth will yet seek the community because there are things they want to talk about, and they have no one to talk with.



then what is "deep stealth" ? I mean how much more secret can something be if it's secret? Is this like double secret probation for Delta House?
Well kinda. Stealth is living where the people at your job, your friends, etc. don't know you are trans. Deep Stealth is when NOBODY, including your partner, knows you are trans. That degree of stealth requires a bunch of surgery, some genetic luck, and total secrecy. So I'm skeptical that very many on the forum here know anyone like this. *I* don't know anyone like this, and I know a lot of trans people - I mean I'm a community organizer and stuff, and know people in several states. And because of that, I am the last person someone like that would contact. For that matter, so are most you y'all. In fact, people who are deep stealth rarely want *any* contact with the trans community. I've heard this is quite lonely. In this day and age, it is increasingly difficult to do this. There are simply too many records available online for most of us to be completely undiscoverable if someone really looks.

I think by "beyond passable" summerbunny means they have to look and sound and act totally cisnormative. Not 99% of the time. 100% of the time, and probably look more normative than some cis people do - usually really, really pretty. I do know plenty of trans women like this.

[summerbunny]

Know there history likely,don't you.



If they are "stealth" transgender individuals, how would we know them?

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I think many who look absolutely attractive,gorgeous, stealthy and soft likely had some early testorone intervention are was a late bloom that was able to stop T from taking its coarse and are they had an orchid and a little estrogen and progestorone hormones to take them the rest of the way .



I know a few, but most are so stealth and passable that I cannot tell the difference. (most of the time)

Guess I am naive, but I am amazed at how many girls are TG/TS that can look / act like real GG's.

I think those in transition are the ones we see most often, otherwise post transition most seem to blend in.

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Well there are plain looking women and some that are absolutely stunning.


Beyond passable? If someone is passable, you mean they pass as a genetic woman, right? So if someone passes a genetic woman, how does one go beyond passing as a woman? Are they like an ovum or something?

And there are degrees of stealth too? If "stealth" is secret or imperceptible, then what is "deep stealth" ? I mean how much more secret can something be if it's secret? Is this like double secret probation for Delta House?

Of course given you know so many, they are apparently not very stealthy, are they.

[Kate Simmons]

I know quite a few TG folks but am wondering what a "stealth TS" is. Never heard it referred to in that way before. A spy going through transition Maybe? :)

[Rogina B]

But I'm not going out completely until I can pass (3 days HRT today).

That is such a silly statement ! HRT will not bring you to the point of passing "close inspection" EVER. It takes a doctor and a knife,and still cues remain. Your time is better spent being out and getting comfortable functioning as a female in this world. Not easy.

[summerbunny]

then you will understand stealth.

look up Jessica Body and you will see stealth.
jessica body was outted.


I know quite a few TG folks but am wondering what a "stealth TS" is. Never heard it referred to in that way before. A spy going through transition Maybe? :)

[MissDanielle]

That is such a silly statement ! HRT will not bring you to the point of passing "close inspection" EVER. It takes a doctor and a knife,and still cues remain. Your time is better spent being out and getting comfortable functioning as a female in this world. Not easy.

I'm socially conditioned to be male and just reached the transition or die point the other day. I haven't started on makeup yet and want to get some more progress with laser hair removal before I get started there. I wear women's clothing outside of work and religious worship all the time but no wig outside of my apartment...worn fake boobs to the movies only because I could hide them under my winter jacket.

These past few months have been scary and terrifying since I started coming to terms. I'm very religious and one of the places I attend might never allow me to go there again so I've been taking that very hard.

[sometimes_miss]

Never met any. That's why it's 'stealth'.

[summerbunny]

is all they needed and they look flawless.
it really depends on genetics, late puberty can be a factor and how soon you start transiting.

I know off the top of my head three Burly men that transitioned into supermodel looking TS women. you can't pick them out of a crowd now.


That is such a silly statement ! HRT will not bring you to the point of passing "close inspection" EVER. It takes a doctor and a knife,and still cues remain. Your time is better spent being out and getting comfortable functioning as a female in this world. Not easy.

[Rogina B]

Summerbunny...My response was to Danielle and her foolishness. There are young transitioners that caught things early on and an "orchi" is a surgical procedure. A M to F transperson,without surgical work,doesn't stand up to close scrutiny..usually.

[summerbunny]

an orchi is just to lower your T levels.
then you need less E.

there are still some TS and CD's even a few dragqueens that can go deep stealth without surgery. i see them in shows,pageants and balls when i get a chance to go out.

you gradually change yourself then you take the different options.

i know of a few with No hormones are surgery that look amazing.

[MissDanielle]

Summerbunny...My response was to Danielle and her foolishness. There are young transitioners that caught things early on and an "orchi" is a surgical procedure. A M to F transperson,without surgical work,doesn't stand up to close scrutiny..usually.

Calling me foolish now? Would you rather I be six feet under? Because THAT ALMOST HAPPENED LAST MONTH!!!

[Rogina B]

Danielle,One of the problems with forums like this is that it can " ramp things up" so that people don't see the individuality of their own situation...they just get caught up in the discussion. They become crazy to charge ahead without the thought of how to do it in the best way for themselves. Make the effort to stay under control without the drama and seek the professional guidance that is available to you at HB.

[LelaK]

Calling me foolish now? Would you rather I be six feet under? Because THAT ALMOST HAPPENED LAST MONTH!!!
No one here wants you to be dead. Who nearly killed you last month? We want everyone to be happy and alive.

[Ceera]

As far as people I know personally and socially, none, really.

I went to one TG support group meeting recently, and two or three of the individuals there I would not have guessed were presenting opposite to their birth gender, if they had not stated they were. But I don't know I would call that 'stealth', as I don't know if they were fully transitioned and presenting full time as their target gender, or if they openly admit they are TG to others, or if they live a double life and sometimes still present as their birth gender to those who don't know them in their new gender role. For two of them, I am pretty certain they were effectively fully transitioned and living their new role full time, as they were FtM TG's who now have beards! I doubt either of them could pass for a 'normal' GG any more, and I wouldn't consider them to be stealth - just relatively 'newly-minted' full-time males.

To me, a TG person who has completed transition, or who has gone far enough in the process to convincingly live and pass as their target gender full timer, isn't 'stealth'. They are simply living a normal life in their desired gender role.

To me, 'stealth' would be what I was for a year or so when I first started out, where I under-dressed with feminine panties under my normal male clothing daily, and owned a small collection of feminine stuff that I tried on only in the privacy of my own home, but no one other than my wife and daughter were aware I was even under dressing. I still had a beard, and nothing I wore outside the house visibly marked me as being an MtF CD or TG person. Even if I had a medical appointment and had to drop my pants, the bikini panties I would wear on those occasions could more or less pass as unisex, unless you looked closely at them. Solid colors, often black, and no lace,

Or it would be me as I was for the first year or so that I started going out dressed in public - where when I did go out, it was only fully dressed and in full makeup, wig and forms, done well enough that I didn't at all resemble my male self and could generally pass as a GG, and I was keeping a firm separation between my feminine self and the places 'she' would go and the friends 'she' had, and the places I went as a male and the friends I had as a male. The only overlap was that 'she' might be seen leaving 'his' home and driving 'his' car. I probably could have walked right past a neighbor or a close friend of my male self, and they would have not connected 'her' with the male identity, unless they saw me driving my car. Even being seen coming and going from my home could have been the appearances of a female friend, as far as anyone could tell.

Since last August or so, I ceased caring who saw me or if I was 'made' as a CD or TG person. When en-femme, I do my best to pass as a GG. But if people ask, or if it is appropriate for them to know, I'll admit I am TG. I've talked en-femme to neighbors, in my home. I'm essentially fully 'out' though there are still family members in a different town that I haven't come out to yet.

[MissDanielle]

No one here wants you to be dead. Who nearly killed you last month? We want everyone to be happy and alive.

Things reached the point in which it was transition or die. I tried pushing things off in order to freeze sperm but living part time in my apartment while presenting as male in public just got to be too much of a mental toll on my health to where I just wanted to end it if it meant not having to be trans. I started HRT last Sunday. 4th session of laser on Weds.

Facially, as the fat shifts around, I should have no problem as long as laser does a lot of magic before I start on electro, if I can even afford that and right now, it doesn't look all that great financially speaking.

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Danielle,One of the problems with forums like this is that it can " ramp things up" so that people don't see the individuality of their own situation...they just get caught up in the discussion. They become crazy to charge ahead without the thought of how to do it in the best way for themselves. Make the effort to stay under control without the drama and seek the professional guidance that is available to you at HB.
i am seeing a therapist and have been since November.

Strong religious upbringing makes being trans not so easy. thankfully being on HRT has ended the depression. Still, new wardrobe won't be cheap.

[Lacey New]

How many STEALTH TS, TG and CD's do I know? None of course because they are like me - stealthy. I daresay that with some few exceptions, most of us choose to be pretty much in the closet and out only to a very few people that we trust.

[Krisi]

Things reached the point in which it was transition or die. I tried pushing things off in order to freeze sperm but living part time in my apartment while presenting as male in public just got to be too much of a mental toll on my health to where I just wanted to end it if it meant not having to be trans. I started HRT last Sunday. 4th session of laser on Weds.

Facially, as the fat shifts around, I should have no problem as long as laser does a lot of magic before I start on electro, if I can even afford that and right now, it doesn't look all that great financially speaking.

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i am seeing a therapist and have been since November.

Strong religious upbringing makes being trans not so easy. thankfully being on HRT has ended the depression. Still, new wardrobe won't be cheap.

MissDanielle, If you've reached the point where you think killing yourself is better than living as a male, you need to stop worrying about your wardrobe and get some serious mental health help. Not a therapist, a psychologist. Perhaps even check yourself into a mental hospital. Asking for advice from strangers on the Internet is not going to help your situation.

As for your religion, if it is telling you that you cannot be a transsexual but you believe you are, you need to make a choice between the two. You don't need that extra confusion and pressure in your life.

Best wishes, please get help.