wedding dress

[sara66]

I was talking with GG friend, I told her I would like to wear a wedding dress. This made me wonder if all crossdressers have or would like wear a wedding dress? Is there anyone out there that would not want to? Were do you stand?
Sara :heehee:

[Elizabeth G]

There was another thread today regarding wedding dresses and indeed the are those who have no interest, but I would like to try some on just for fun one day...

[Laurana]

I have zero interest in wearing a wedding dress. Or any really frilly dress for that matter.

[MzVanessa]

I would love to wear a wedding dress. They express the ultimate in femininity and beauty.

[Julie Denier]

I have zero interest in wearing a wedding dress. Or any really frilly dress for that matter.

Same here -- just not my thing.

[Kelli Jo-ann]

I went to a friend's house one night dressed. just so happens we were the same size. I tried everything on in her closet, but her wedding dress. she just wouldn't let me do it. it was still an awesome night.
yes I want to wear a wedding dress at some point

[sara66]

Kelli,
I wish I had a friend that was the same size. That would be way too much fun. I do have a sister that was the same size when we were younger. I tried every thing she had on, but of course she did not know.
Sara :battingeyelashes:

[tvmelissa]

I tried on my Mom's wedding dress once. It was way too small for me, though.

Want to get my own some day...

Melissa

[AllieBellema]

I own one and I love wearing it! I feel so feminine in it and wouldn't getting another one later on!

[AnnieMac]

Well I certainly could do frilly and girly-girl, but for some reason a wedding dress doesn't do it for me, nor does the French Maid Outfit cleaning thing.
Dunno maybe its to predictable or not real enough or something. I prefer to present as more genuinely day-to-day female. But no judgements, have fun with that if you love it! :)

[LydiaL]

I would love to try on a bridal gown to experience this pinnacle of feminism.

I do own a pastel green gown that is of the style of a bridesmaid. It is so elegant to wear.

[Rhonda Jean]

I bought one at a thrift store a few months ago. I've never had a real "thing" for wedding dresses. I simply wanted to see what it was like. I'm not typically one to dress to stay home, but this was pretty nice. Not a huge thrill. Not erotic at all. It did stir some "what if" thoughts. Seeing my reflection in the mirror in a wedding dress was just a good feeling. It's quite different from any other dress I've ever worn. Designed specifically for standing for about an hour, it's awesome in it impracticality. Kinda cool to wear once.

I also tried on my (ex) wife's on our honeymoon. Probably wasn't a good idea.

[dolovewell]

No interest whatsoever in wedding dresses...

[Judy-Somthing]

Why not, I have two.

[Jenniferathome]

No interest at all for me. I can't understand why anyone would want to. Perhaps it's THE item that screams "woman" more than any other?

[countrygirl]

Would love to wear one.

[ellbee]

Years ago a drag queen friend of mine had a bunch at her home. I think she was doing it as resales in hopes of pulling in a few extra bucks.

One evening we sifted through them, found my size, and I tried it on.

The white made me look fat, even though I was pretty thin at that point. :laughing:


It was pretty cool, though. Loved the dress & overall look. But personally would feel a bit silly owning one.

First & only time I ever wore one.

[anna kate]

I was 16 Yrs old when I found this big box deep in my closet. Curiosity got the best of me, so I pulled it out and opened it. Low and behold, it was my sisters wedding gown. Yup !!! I tried it on, can't describe how good it felt ( even to this day). Didn't notice, but my neighbor spotted me through a window. She told Mom, and that's when the dark clouds came. That night, as I felt my Dads belt across my butt, I remember him saying, "Boys don't wear dresses!" Walked the straight and narrow for about two weeks, Yup !!! did it again. This time I didn't get caught.

Saw a size 18 in the Thrift Store back in July, they only wanted $45.00 for it. Thought about it for a fleeting moment and passed on it. Couldn't figure how I would explain it to my wife. It did bring back memories though.

[LIKETODRESS2]

I went a to Transgender conference last year in Washington and we all got to go bridl shop and try on the dresses. It was a lot of fun wish I could had the money to buy it

[dolovewell]

No interest at all for me. I can't understand why anyone would want to. Perhaps it's THE item that screams "woman" more than any other?

I consider myself a practical crossdresser. Meaning, if its not something I would wear in public, I do not have the interest in it. For the same reason I have no interest in wedding dresses, I have no interest in garters, 6 inch stilleto heels, fancy ballgowns, and so on.

[Genny B]

Would love to! Some day! On G+ I follow Wedding Gowns where they show new releases all the time. I love looking at them. To me the only thing that could be better would be to be wearing one!

Genny B

[AlyssaJ]

I'll admit, I've seen it mentioned by a lot of CD's. For me there's no special attraction. In fact the more elaborate dresses just seem like a pain in the butt to me. I'm probably more interested in bride's maid's dresses than bridal dresses.

[pantywaver]

I would love to try some on one day.

[alwayshave]

I can't say that bridal dresses have ever done it for me. Period costumes from the mid 1700s, yes. These days, I do have a thing for formal gowns and mother of the bride dresses.

[redtea]

i would try anything once :heehee:

Though that's nowhere near the top of my priority list. I think once I get used to everything, I will be aroused by the idea of more new things.

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Sara:hugs:, That is one of the two things that was on my CD bucket list, The other was getting pierced ears...:daydreaming:...

[Kiersten]

No interest what so ever in wedding dresses. Just not my thing.

[lingerieLiz]

I've been lucky enough to try on several wedding dresses. Owned one which I wore to a H-party. I think it has a lot to do with the hype about the occasion of a wedding. The wearing of special lingerie and knowing you will be the object of everyones attention brings additional pleasure.

I do find it interesting that after the wedding very few GGs try on or wear the dress after the marriage.

[Sometimes Steffi]

I have to admit it was a fantasy thing for me. It was one of the things on my bucket list when I went to Amanda Rich's for a makeover and photoshoot. She actually had a classic style wedding dress in (close to) my size and I did get to wear it for the photoshoot. For me, it was the ultimate in femininity.

I was so excited about the photoshoot that I even bought a few wedding gowns in my size on eBay.

In fact, I'm wearing the wedding dress in my profile pic. Maybe someday I'll be brave enough to post a photo that shows more of the wedding dress. If someone were to just twist my arm a little . . .

[Lily Catherine]

I have already worn a ball gown more than once. It isn't something I'd want to wear daily, though should the occasion arise I'd be glad to. Getting it up is already a pain in the neck, much less walking in it. I don't deny the beauty of the garment though. I would certainly love to wear a conventional wedding gown, although I'm more than sure that if I do tie the knot in a dress it'll be knee-length. There is definitely a certain mystical allure to the idea of a wedding gown, though; it'd be much too symbolic for my liking as well.

[franlee]

It would be fun. The materials and the "white" are the draws for me.

[Chandlyr Ellis]

I found a NEW wedding dress at a Flea Market a couple of years ago... was but $30. Worn it twice, but not practical. Someday there may come a reason to wear it again.

[Majella St Gerard]

I've tried several on at thrift stores but none fit me well. I got married 2 years ago on Halloween, an angel costume was a substitute.

[baldy1]

Yes a wedding dress would certainly do it for me with the corset to go with it of course

Julie

[Georgina]

I have two wedding dresses and the petticoats to go with them. I love wearing them.

[MissVirginia-Mae]

I owe several and love wearing them.
To me, its the ultimate in feeling like a GG.
The feel of the satin, the long train, the heavy material.....
It all makes me feel like a GG.
They are so affordable online that for any girl not to own one these days is just their decision.
You can get them for as low as $25 online in auctions and even the dedicated websites are very reasonable.
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[DIANEF]

Might be okay to try as a one-off, but pretty impracticable otherwise.

[wendy]

I was going to start a thread about wedding dresses; that is definitely on my CD to do list.

Years ago when I was a teen, my aunt and uncle moved into my parent's basement, and my aunt brought her wedding dress. One day when no one was home, I took it out of the plastic sheath, and tried it on. It was heavenly; because it was an 80's wedding dress there were frillies and lace, but at that time gorgeous. My aunt was rather slender, so I had a tough time getting into the dress, and I could not zip up the back, but since then I've always wanted to try on another wedding dress that actually fit (and no frillies and minimal lace).

[MissVirginia-Mae]

Wendy,

I used to try on my mom's all the time until my parents caught me wearing it when they came home early from a dinner date
Boy, was that a bad night at the old homestead! :love:

[Tracy Irving]

Wedding dresses are not practical at all. They take up too much space in a closet and are expensive. There is nowhere to wear them out in public. Currently, I have seven of them. I have been to many, many bridal stores trying them on. Putting on the undergarments and sometimes a hoop skirt or petticoat. Letting the SA help me get into the dress. Then walking out to the platform and looking at myself in the big mirror while we figure out what we like and don't like about the dress. Sometimes I just get down from the platform and we browse the racks looking for the next one to try on. Ah, wonderful memories.

[Robin777]

I would like to own one just to wear it occasionally. I have looked at them at the Goodwill but never bought one.

[S. Lisa Smith]

If I were 20 years younger, I might be interested. At 67, I'm just too old. :(

[sometimes_miss]

It's probably one of those things where reality can never equal the fantasy. I mean, who wouldn't want to get dressed up pretty to the max, primped and styled, fussed over by other women who try to make us look as lovely as possible, constantly being told how beautiful we look, all while daydreaming of eternal love, happiness (and financial support) for the rest of our lives? Let's face it, they're designed to make the bride look and feel as wonderfully beautiful and as feminine as possible, to keep the husband-to-be waiting for her at the end of the aisle. So yeah, they look great. But from what I've heard from the girls, actually wearing and navigating in them is a PITA. Around the house, the train will catch on everything, and it can get dirty so very quick.
I'll daydream about it. But actually buy one, nah.

[IwishIwasTracy]

Wearing a wedding dress is awesome. I have shopped several times for wedding dresses over the years. David's Bridal by the airport in Seattle was the best experience. The manager helped me out trying on gowns. I felt pretty and that isn't something I feel very often.


Tracy

[Pat]

Funny -- I'm not just uninterested in wearing a wedding dress, I actively dislike the very idea. I have absolutely no positive (or even neutral) reaction to it. So I assume I have some personal trauma there. ;)

[Lana Mae]

I would try one on but would not buy one. They are a keepsake and not practical even if they are sooo feminine! IMHO Hugs Lana Mae

[Jodi]

No interest in a wedding dress

jodi

[Diane Smith]

I like elegant clothes, but only in the appropriate circumstances. I'd be thrilled to wear a wedding gown to actually be married in (not that there's much likelihood of that anytime soon), but have no interest in them otherwise.

- Diane

[susmitha]

I would love to actually dress as the bride and have a secret wedding ceremony with my GG wife, who is dressed as the groom. But this dream will never be fulfilled.

[larissa-laurie]

I would really like to wear a wedding dress for a while just to appreciate the feel of femininity and check it off my bucket list. I also would like to try on a prom dress and formal dresses of that nature.

[abby054]

I have two. Both have moderate beading and chapel length trains. They are fun to wear, but they do take time to put on. I have veils, bustier, garter, heels, hose, fake bouquet, and crinoline...the whole outfit. I bought each dress at bridal shop going out of business sales. One was US$90 and the other was US$230. Nice gowns, not cheap ones, by the way.

Wedding gowns run small, really small. I wear a size 14, but my bridal gowns are size 18 and 20. One has a zipper in back, as one would expect. The other has a satin ribbon web closure in back that I had a seamstress make because I liked the dress style but the zipper was too tight. The bustier has a low back, so the dress has a slight backless look.

[Jennifer in CO]

Part of a VERY long story so here is the Cliff notes version. Age 15 (1972) I spent most of that summer with my Grand Parents...as Jennifer (parents did not know). Aunt (who "created" Jennifer) was a beautician in a small town in north Georgia. I worked part of a week for my Grand-dad at the Community Chest and my "pay" was what ever I wanted. Well, amongst other things (like a full summer wardrobe) was a wedding dress. Fast forward three weeks and I am spending a week with my Aunt who insisted I bring the dress. She does the finishing touches on a brides hair at the church. Wedding, reception, they leave. However, while the reception is going on my Aunt is doing final touch up on my hair. She wanted photos of a new style she had created and I got to be the model...in a wedding dress...in a church...like a bridal portrait with a real photographer. Much to my surprise my Grand Parents show up, both "dressed to the nines". For many years after (till she died in 83), the photo of me in "my" wedding dress with my Grand Parents sat on Gram's dresser. Funny part was for all those years no one in the family ever put 2 and 2 together that the "bride" was me. "Obvious family resemblance" people said but no one ever figured out who it was or why she had a "non-family member" photo so prominent on her dresser.

EDIT: I never wore the dress again. Didn't see it again till my cousin who was the same age/size as I then wore it for her wedding 4 years later. Only other wedding dress I have ever worn was my wife's when she insisted I try it on for her a couple of years after our marriage.

[Lacy PJs]

In my case, I think a wedding gown will remain a fantasy. Given my size... I don't think I'd look all cute, petite & fem. :( But "IF" that day were ever to come, I'd like to try it at least once... along with all of the pretty underthings to go with it including the cute shoes and white nylons.

Lacy PJs

[Lily Catherine]

The fantasy is probably much more heightened than the reality, unless you enjoy being enveloped in a heavy, long (sometimes even dragging) skirt. Yes, you will look somewhat prettier. Yes, the dress is beautiful. I suppose the rest of it is what it stands for - the wedding, looking and feeling beautiful there, etc.

I acknowledge that the very thought of all this is extremely cliché, and may not provide the best - let alone a comprehensive - view of us. I acknowledge nonetheless that there's a certain appeal to the fantasy garment that is the wedding dress. With the greatest respect, when you're actually in this kind of dress it's a bit underwhelming. Not something you'll think about too much after a while. Sort of an odd version of "never meet your heroes"?

I'm not sure a petite girl like myself would look good in the stereotypical wedding dress (A-line, chapel train, long sleeves) in the first place. I like the ball gown silhouette in particular, though. On another tangent, given the chance to wear a ball gown / Quinceanera dress with a hoop skirt again, I would (although I think I'm kind of past Quinceanera anyway, haha.) Something ornate to complement the austerity my wardrobe is in and should be in. But I think they're really gorgeous at the right occasion. Whether I am "cute, petite and fem" in those gowns is another issue. The gown itself is a thing of beauty.

[Jane G]

It's a yes form me, loved wearing a wedding dress. I will probably never wear another one but, I will also never forget the joy. :daydreaming:

[Danielle Hyatt]

Yes I would love to try on a bride dress.

Danielle

[Kandi Robbins]

I have had at least 7 separate bridal fittings and established friendships with women at a few bridal salons. Say what you will, it is simply the most feminine thing you can do and it is the most fun I have ever had (except time spent with family), ever! Having the SA help you into the gown, secure you into it and then walk out and see yourself in the mirror......wow! Then when the veil is placed on your head, the smile cannot be described. And if you are lucky enough to do this while other women are trying on their gowns and interacting with them, nothing like it. There is only one word to describe it: joy!

[susann_gardener]

I have been fortunate enough to have tried on several in a consignment shop. Even got so stuck in one I had to ask for help from the (male) SA. Also have tried on several at home. Never had a fitting though.

[DutchCarla]

Count me in :)

[Maija]

Add me to the list of want to.
I wish i had the figure for a slim waisted gown.

[NewBrendaLee]

I would love to wear a wedding dress

[Tracy Irving]

For everyone out there that wants to try on a wedding dress just do it. As others have mentioned, David's Bridal is a great place to shop. They sell way more than just wedding dresses in store and even more dresses online. If purchased online they can be returned to the store within two weeks for a full refund. They will treat you well whether dressed or not. They have some great sales and a discount rack to help you find something you like. I have made genuine friendships with the SA's at my local store.

[Lea]

Count me in also but add that I would like to re affirm my vows with my wife.

[Allison2006]

I have only ever tried one on once and only for a very brief time. But I would love to own one someday, and even possibly have a vow renewal with my wife in one if circumstances were to permit.

[Judy-Somthing]

The most I ever spent on a dress is $80 on a wedding dress, It was tormenting me.
It was marked down from $800, in my size, how could I resists!

[Karen RHT]

I have a genuine fascination with ALL types of dresses. House dresses, cocktail dresses, prom dresses, party dresses, casual dresses, LBD, wedding, mini, maxi, doesn't matter; if it's a dress, I'm going to at least consider wearing and/or owning it.


Karen

[BowTied]

Any bride in need of a bridegroom, let me know. I'm all suited, buttoned-up, and bow tied daily for work (and because I LOVE to be!) but to have a beautiful bride on my arm, walking down the aisle, and being wed? OH yes. The absolute epitome of romance. I've actually done that before, a couple of times, once for a friend of a friend who's TG and was just dying to be a bride! It was originally just supposed to be for some photos, but by the time the "wedding day" arrived, we'd decided to make it an actual wedding in the clubhouse of my friend's apartment complex. I wore my tux, and my bride wore an incredibly gorgeous and formal ultratraditional bridal gown, veil, tiara headpiece, the whole nine yards. In hindsight, had I known just how formal her gown was going to be, I'd have worn white tie and tails. Seriously! By the time the wedding started, I felt as if we were actually being wed! That's us, right before the organ music started and we started down the aisle. I had to remind her to put her blusher down.

[Judith96a]

I love formal gowns and I would absolutely love to get dressed up in a wedding dress. My wife looked stunning in hers, I'd love to get photos of me in a (larger) copy. If anyone wants a CD bridesmaid... :daydreaming:

[Joyce Swindell]

I would love to have the experience of picking out and trying on some wedding gowns. If my wife and I ever renew our vows I believe I will be wearing a gown. I don't expect to buy an expensive new one plus the cost of all/any alterations but she probably wouldn't allow me to buy a used one just for the possibility of "Bad Mojo" so it would have to be new but for me it would have to be at discount store pricing. And that would be AWESOME!

[BowTied]

Here's another "wedding" in which I got to be a bridegroom and be wed to a beautiful bride. I was in a nice suit and bow tie rather than my tux.
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[Emily Ann Brown]

Yes I have. It was wonderful!!!# Em

[TrishaLake]

Just recently I have thought of this, I don't know why...

[ronda]

I have a wedding dress got it at a thrift store for 35 dollars a couple of years ago beautiful lace and beads feels wonderful to wear it

[Beverley Sims]

I have been married about twelve or more times, to different people.

I have tried on probably about a hundred dresses in that time also.

I used to arrange mock weddings for charities and sporting clubs.

Good fun whilst it lasted. Nobody really knew about me, many tried to guess what was going on. :-)

[jandebs]

As said, there's not much opportunity to wear a wedding dress, apart from the obvious, but when I saw this one in a friend's shop I just had to try it on.



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[Stephanie Julianna]

There is nothing more exciting than wearing a bridal gown. I had the good fortune years ago to be in the fashion show at First Event in Boston and modeled a few different formal gowns before being the finale in a bridal gown. I've attached some photos taken in the lobby after the show. Most straight hotel patrons thought we had just been married and congratulated us. That's Sam, my old boyfriend.

[CynthiaD]

I'd wear a wedding dress if I were getting married. Otherwise, no thanks.

[Paulette]

I own a lovely dress which i found on ebay. I bought the dress and then took it to my seamstress and had it fitted. Getting it all on with everything does take awhile and if you wear a corset the first rule is put your shoes on first, because after being cinched up you can not bend to put shoes on. The hoop skirt makes for some fun when trying to use the restroom stalls (FYI stalls are not made for hoops skirts). I had tried on a couple of dresses at a bridal salon and knew I had to have one. The feeling is incredible and I felt so pretty.

[BettyMorgan]

It would have to be the right dress.. for me. I have no plans to marry but it would be nice to try on a nice, well made, flowing, chiffon gown. I do love looking at the prom and bridesmaid sites so I would go that route too if the opportunity presented itself.

[JenniferYager]

I did a wedding dress photo shoot and LOVED it! I felt absolutely beautiful and loved my photos (check them out here: http://www.kattscloset.com/photos.html).

[Steph54]

I bought one a longtime ago from a store going out of business. But got rid of it during a purge.

I've tried on my wife's and daughter's dresses.

I also, while dressed in Vegas did one of the fake photo shots where they put your face onto the photo of a real "bride" came out funky but they made me look younger and thinner :-/

[Sallee]

Great statement. To paraphrase "They are totaly impractical But the sure are fun" I love your statement

[Rebecca W.]

Jennifer,
Your wedding dress pictures are so beautiful, and you are so nicely poised for each picture. There is a feeling that is so magical when wearing a wedding dress.

[Brandy Mathews]

Wedding dress.....count me in. I think that would be an amazing experience.
Hugs,
Bree ;)

[monalisa]

I also have two long full wedding gowns with the poofy petticoat underneath it and the veil. Always thought it would be nice to get married and to be the bride. It does seem the ultimate feminine outfit and one you will always remember particularly if you have a video or camera.

[Crissy Kay]

I have zero interest in wedding dresses. That's a little strange coming from a mainly fetish dresser. But I have drooled looking at some very pretty prom dresses.

[Heather Anne]

In April 2004 I bought my first formal gown. It was for my first formal activity with a support group in Atlanta. Prior to the event I asked Phoebe Cross to help me with a dress rehearsal. The attached photo was the result. I hope the photo shows up in the message. 270538

[BrendaPDX]

Hate to say it but I have two, the one I like the most has a zipper up part of the back and then buttons the rest of the way up. Now if I can just figure how to button the buttons from the middle of my back on up:o. Make sure to get a caroline slip for it, it just finishes it off; and I love the extra weight it adds. Watch out for the train, it is is to step on it. Have fun, thanks for asking. Brenda

[MissVirginia-Mae]

I love wearing wedding dresses and have several of them.
I prefer the full satin ones with hoopskirt or crinoline underneath
Something about wearing them makes me feel even more like a woman!!
I do plan on being the "bride" if i ever get married
:love:

[pantyhoselvr kendra]

I had one at one time. With all the white satin undergarments i never felt more feminine. Wished i had a groom

[stefcd1]

Love wearing a wedding dress...

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[Leslie Mary S]

I have stated it befor and I still stand by it. I want my own wedding dress even if I have to tailor it myself. I keep looking.

[audreyinalbany]

never occurred to me to wear a wedding dress...even when watching "Say Yes To The Dress" although there are plenty of dresses that wedding GUESTS wear that I wouldn't mind trying.

[sharon2]

I had a photo session about 6 years ago and had several photos taken wearing a wedding dress it was a beautiful dress with a long train, it was a wonderful feeling,To me it is the ultimate for any crossdresser.

[lingerieLiz]

Wedding dresses are fun to try on, but I don't have the desire as I did when young. My sisters liked it t0o before their weddings. But I don't ever think they did it after. I never did try theirs on. Nor did the second one to get married try the firsts. I think it has certain connotations for most women. Neighbor's daughter left her dress in their garage for years. Very expensive dress (thousands) and a waste to leave hanging for years.

[freeindress]

Not interested in the white wedding dress fashion, but if I could pass, I would love to play a bridesmaid role at a wedding.

[Andrea Chenowith]

I go back and forth on this subject all the time. About 10 years ago, I moved to a new city and finally was able to really get in to dressing outside of my home. (I'd lived in a smaller town with too much opportunity to get caught.) I started to get the curious itch of what it would feel like, and finally booked an appointment at a bridal store close to where I worked, but off the beaten path enough to be safe. It was nice, and they were super accommodating, even though I only had chicken cutlets.

A few years after that, I booked a fitting at David's Bridal around Halloween, with the excuse of a costume party. The SA there was pretty accepting, but I made sure to book the first appointment of the day. I had actual forms now, but nothing that would work in a strapless dress without a strapped bra. This time, thankfully, I was saved by my wallet's emptiness, as I found a perfectly fitting dress.

That prompted some serious regret, and while I eventually bought another "wedding" dress from Macy's (I also have its match in purple) I still want to go for another fitting at a more serious bridal salon soon.

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[justnikki]

I can see how for some it might be the quintessential dress. The idea of wearing a wedding dress has never crossed my mind and doesn't interest me.

[DonnaWanna]

My wife and I went on one of Melanie Rudd's cruises back in 2010.
It just so happened to be on Halloween, so as our costumes, we decided to go as Bride and Groom. The thing is, though, was the twist. I was the bride and my wife was the groom. I had trouble finding a wedding gown that was affordable (didn't want to spend a lot of money on it for just a one time thing). Needless to say we turned a lot of heads when we went to the Halloween gathering, Lol. We posed for many pictures from the party ers but unfortunately didn't take any for ourselves. I really enjoyed that cruise as I was enfeme for 5 whole days'.
I wish someone would pick up where Melanie left off and resume the Dignity (crossdressing) Cruises.

[Barbara Black]

Andrea, that is a great dress!! you make a great woman!

[Julie MA]

No real interest. I'm more into body con dresses and nice skirts. Formal dresses don't do it for me, on me. But they look nice on others, be they GG or CD.