Anyone here a Misogynist?

[redtea]

I am but I'm a decent enough person to not express it to others and bottle it inside.

It's kind of ironic that i CD and resent women for messing with my head.

[AllieSF]

Are you really misogynist, or just have an issue with some aspect(s) of women that bothers you? I think that misogyny is something deeper and probably most times unknown to the person, though maybe obvious for some others. I also think that most who are really do not realize it until it is brought to their attention.

[Teresa]

Redtea,
I don't really hate anyone, either gender can be a pain in the butt on occasions. I just like to try and get on with people and hopefully have some fun with them and or have a decent conversation.

I certainly prefer to come out to women and get their views on an outfit or makeup , you can't do that with most guys !

What messes with most of our heads is the trait we were blest with when born, can't blame anyone for that !

[Dana44]

Redtea, No woman has messed with my gender fluid head. But I have been out as a woman for some time. They generally are infatuated with the idea and ask me questions rather than mess me with it. They do not touch me either. But have told me I look nice. I appreciate all women and have a good attitude with them.

[NicoleScott]

Uh, you just expressed it to others, didn't you?
I have the feeling that this thread has a shorter life than an adult mayfly, and without the sex. I could be wrong.

[Ressie]

Let's get away from the idea of hating all women. Maybe you just can't stand the ones you've met so far. How have they messed with your head is the question. You have to realize that men are stupid and women are crazy. They're crazy because men are stupid!

[ellbee]

Well, I guess if one wears a skirt, there's a 50/50 shot...? :strugglin



Half of all misogynistic tweets posted on Twitter come from women, a study suggests.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36380247

[jentay1367]

Greek philosophers considered misogyny to be caused by gynophobia, a fear of women. Makes perfect sense. We generally fear what we don't understand. What was the old expression? Hatred is just fear turned inside out. Like most interpersonal issues, there's help for that too.

[Tracii G]

OMG have you ever thought of women in a sexual way? That would make you one according to a feminist.
I'm sick and tired of hearing the word personally and think its way overused these days.
I don't care for full fledged feminists that are nothing short of man haters with bright green or red hair.
I ran into one recently and she gave me a tongue lashing for wearing womens clothes.
She went into a tirade standing in the grocery checkout lane telling me how awful trannies are.
I backed my cart up and said "excuse the hell out of me for living and FYI you can go screw yourself because I know no man would with an attitude like that".
I switched to another lane and tried to avoid the crazy bitch.

[Periwinkle]

Oh jeez. When most women label someone as a misogynist, it means that they feel that person sees women as lesser than men. Which is pretty darn disgusting honestly. Being afraid of women or hating them because of horrible past experiences is one thing. But seeing them as lesser than you because of who they are is extremely antiquated and downright terrible.

[Valery L]

According to what feminists and the politically correct society considers misogynist, I am guilty as charged and proud of it, I even doubt that someone here, excepting gg's, is free of that label.

[Zooey]

There are truly misogynistic women - I've met a few - but thankfully they are few and far between, and getting rarer all the time.

I consider the vast majority of men here (though not all) to be misogynists, with a majority of them being deeply misogynistic. Most of them would swear that they aren't misogynists.

I reject the notion that feminists are "man haters". That's akin to calling American slaves prior to the emancipation proclamation "white haters".

[AnnieMac]

Gee, is your first name Rudy?

[Valery L]

Have you never felt shame for being born a male?
Have you ever questioned or debated anything said by a female?
Do you think that "not all men" are potential rapists?
Do you think that not allowing your wife/girlfriend to date and to have sex with other men is not oppression of their sexuality?

If you answered yes, to at least one of them. You can be considered a misogynist, and I am not kidding, gynocentrism has reached that far, so there are groups of feminists that would consider you a misogynist for these and other more bizarre and irrational reasons, you can read many notes about this, watch many videos, etc... That word does not matter anymore, everything can be misogynist, so who cares? Let them use that word whenever they want, since it does not mean anything anymore.

[Zooey]

Male rights activists honestly fascinate me, especially when they're wearing makeup and women's clothes.

“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-boeskool/when-youre-accustomed-to-privilege_b_9460662.html)

Tell me more about how the evil womynz are oppressing men, lol.

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[Valery L]

Actually feminists are funnier to read and see, in a very bizarre way. To start with, you can check the news about the snow-plowing system to benefit women (and affect men consequently) due to feminist policies, which as expected, was a total failure that caused a big chaos in Stockholm, that is only a hint about how funny that people can be. There is also the famous interview to a feminist claiming that air conditioning is sexist, really, they give a lot of material for a good comedy. There are tons of other examples, and of course strong arguments for a good debate. However, I am sure this is not the place to do it.

"especially when they're wearing makeup and women's clothes"
So I cannot wear whatever I want? (oh I see, only women have that right, of course they are always the victims), why is it relevant?

[docrobbysherry]

No. But, I am guilty of objectifying and judging women I don't know based on their looks. But, I think that's changed a bit since I began dressing at age 50+. :daydreaming:

Now, I try to identify what attracted me to them. So, I can have Sherry copy that!:D

[jentay1367]

Goodness...the irony is palpable in here

[Tracii G]

The ones I don't care for are the pushy feminine activists.
They tend to be loud,obnoxious,and get right up in your face and tell you all the bad things you are.
They seem to hate gay men too and I don't get that at all.

[jentay1367]

Well the TERF's are insane, but I'm trying to figure out what most of this has to do with misogyny?

[Dana44]

Tracii, I agree. In fact I saw the entire feminist process as I am old enough. They do hate men and get right in your face. Yep they do. Tends to make men not like them back. But we do like our mates as they don't do that and act like a good partner. My SO does have some male traits, however she is a good lover. So, we are just human beings with no view points on how men or women should live or do. We are what we are and that is good enough.

[ReineD]

Anyone here a Misogynist?

I am ...

Why do you think you are a misogynist. Do you think that men overall are better, smarter, or more capable than women? Or is it something else, for example being resentful of beautiful women because you don't look like they do (which I've seen often in posts here).

If you don't mind, I'd like to clarify what you think before I answer. :)

[Tracii G]

Thats a good question Reine.

[Becky Blue]

I think on this site you are probably going to find more philogynists than mysogynists. Many here would say I love and admire women so much i want to be one

[Lily Catherine]

I suppose this site contains a considerable number of them in denial, especially as far as objectification goes. That isn't love of women insofar as it is often the infatuation with the image of a woman, a constructed paragon of beauty and often submission, and consequently the reduction of femaleness to a two-dimensional representation - once again contrived - of femininity.

[TinaMc]

Actually feminists are funnier to read and see, in a very bizarre way. To start with, you can check the news about the snow-plowing system to benefit women (and affect men consequently) due to feminist policies, which as expected, was a total failure that caused a big chaos in Stockholm, that is only a hint about how funny that people can be. There is also the famous interview to a feminist claiming that air conditioning is sexist, really, they give a lot of material for a good comedy. There are tons of other examples, and of course strong arguments for a good debate. However, I am sure this is not the place to do it.

Is this the snow ploughing story: http://www.thelocal.se/20131211/snow-plowing-should-be-gender-equal-greens? Doesn't seem like a big deal to me, I mean presumably women pay taxes in Sweden, why should they get less access to this public service?

Here's something about the apparent overwhelming-burden-to-men failure this policy resulted in: http://www.thelocal.se/20161112/stockholm-transport-heads-defends-gender-equal-snow-clearing. So some pollies blame it, others say it's just the usual heavy snow.

The sexist air con: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/science/chilly-at-work-a-decades-old-formula-may-be-to-blame.html?_r=1? Surely it makes sense to revise thermostat temperatures if they are based on an old formula that presumed men were the workers?

I'm sorry, these aren't bizarre stories at all, it's kind of what you'd expect in a society that acknowledges basic equality... Women aren't getting preferential treatment in either of these cases.

[Teresa]

Reine,
Thanks for bringing this thread back on track , it was beginning to go way off course . I must admit I would like to hear Redtea's answer .

[PretzelGirl]

Tracii, I agree. In fact I saw the entire feminist process as I am old enough. They do hate men and get right in your face.

Nice to just group all feminists as men haters, which is far from true. But that shows some misogny by itself.

[Exris]

According to what feminists and the politically correct society considers misogynist, I am guilty as charged and proud of it, I even doubt that someone here, excepting gg's, is free of that label.

Interesting point.

As I look back on my life - I know for certain (I was there!!) Iv never knowingly repressed any woman. In fact back then I would have described myself as a supporter of women's issues and advancement.

Now I am older. And a telling thing... have only 1 child. A DAUGHTER.

I was genuine in my earlier thoughts. I never saw a reason why a woman should not succeed. But now as a parent of a girl, I see that my "casual assumption it will get better" isnt enough. Iv had good opportunities in life, and mostly took them.

I want her to get the same. She is far more dear to me than my own crappy existence - this matters to me. Society will not change overnight - but whatever I can do I will do.

[Judy-Somthing]

I hate that after 34 years of marriage my wife wont wear a dress even for one hour/minuet!
I think a woman looks so incredible in a dress but, I guess It's cause I'm a man.
I think most woman wear dress because they know men go GAGA !

[redtea]

I didn't mean misogyny in the feminist definition.

I have misogynist thoughts but at my core I'm still a good person.

I don't hate all women, just the ones that string me along age 18-24 but don't actually mean anything by it.


I honestly have more respect for prostitutes than the girls who do this crap to me. In fact, I love prostitutes I should go see one and talk about life and play a few rounds of twister =)

[Zooey]

For the record, misogyny is not a feminist word, and it's not a word with an alternative "feminist definition". It's just a word, with a definition. Feminists work to combat misogyny, and more broadly, the negative impact of the patriarchy. Both men and women feel those negative effects. Every CD here suffers under misogyny and patriarchy, even it's the internalized sense of those things that they also hold and help perpetuate.

Judy and redtea... Wow. Just... wow.

On one hand, I suppose I should thank you for making my point even clearer without me having to go spend 20 minutes quoting posts. On the other hand, I weep for the women in your lives.

[KymberlyOct]

Redtea, Misogynist thoughts or is it hurt feelings you struggle to deal with? There is a difference. Many people that are hurt romantically feel angry at the other person. In my opinion it is impossible to have misogynistic thoughts but still be a good person at your core. A misogynist looks down upon women, believes they are inferior and views them with contempt and as combatants. If those things are true IMHO it is not possible to be a good person. You are one or the other.

[ReineD]

I don't hate all women, just the ones that string me along age 18-24 but don't actually mean anything by it.

Then you're not a misogynist. You just don't like being treated poorly, like the rest of us. I don't like being strung along either, and I dislike people who behave this way.

Misogynists have a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. All women. Not just some women who don't know how to behave like adults.

Earlier, someone mentioned females on the internet who are misogynists because they call other women sl*ts or wh*res. This isn't misogyny either. They just don't like the particular women they are insulting, likely because they disagree with their politics. I don't think these females have ingrained prejudices against all women, else they couldn't stand living in their own skins. lol. When my boys were growing up, they used to call everything they didn't like "gay". This didn't mean they were homophobic. They have good friends who are gay. Over time, words like sl*t, wh*re, gay, etc take on a more general meaning to describe things that people don't like. I personally think there are more descriptive words, but people who are limited to this type of language are likely younger or they don't have an enriched vocabulary. Using those words is more about expressing their inner frustrations with political views or actions they disagree with. People who use these words don't generally feel contempt for an entire class of gender or sexuality.

Feminists: as with everything else, there are the extremes, or at least their political discourse sounds extreme. But even the more extreme feminists have men in their lives I'm sure they love. I think that most feminists are simply like me ... they expect full equality with men, they respect the men who feel the same way, and they try to set straight the men who don't feel the same way. :)

Yes, of course there are men who dislike women and vice versa. But I should think this represents a rather small minority of people?

[Zooey]

Then you're not a misogynist. You just don't like being treated poorly, like the rest of us. I don't like being strung along either, and I dislike people who behave this way. Misogynists have a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. All women. Not just some women who don't know how to behave like adults.

I think it's important to understand the motivation for their statements. I may be projecting, but I've heard the kind of statements he made from a lot of "nice guys", and in those cases it absolutely comes from a place of resentment towards women. I may be wrong, but history and tone lead me to strongly suspect that a lot of those women who are "stringing him along" actually see him as a friend, and he resents the fact that taking the time to be superficially respectful doesn't entitle him to affection and sex.


Yes, of course there are men who dislike women and vice versa. But I should think this represents a rather small minority of people?

I wish it was a rather small minority of people. I think that the number of men who say directly and deliberately hateful things towards women are a minority, but the number of men who say things that express their resentment, devaluation, dislike of women in more coded ways, sometimes subconsciously or without realizing it, are far from a minority. Especially here.

[ReineD]

I know someone whom I consider is misoginist. My ex-neighbor. He's a large man with a powerful build. He's very aggressive. He is rich and he is accustomed to always getting his own way. He will stop at nothing to get what he wants, even if it means trampling on someone else. He is respected by the men in his life (I rather think they fear him) and he is quite jovial with them. But he constantly patronizes women. He doesn't hide the fact that he thinks he is right and no woman can possibly ever have knowledge or an opinion that might prove him wrong. He thinks that women are indeed inferior to the male sex. He thinks they are physically, intellectually, and emotionally inferior. Always. And when he does see a woman perform at a task that impresses him, he thinks this is rather a good trick. It's cute. Like "Aww, look at the way she handled that chainsaw". It's patronizing. This is what I consider is misoginy.

Yes, I'm sure that men do indeed engage in all sorts of locker room talk that serves to mock women or treat them as sex objects. I believe they do this to posture, to establish their pecking order among other men. But I bet that 90% of these men go home to their wives, daughters, etc and they love and respect them. They consider their opinions. And I don't think they are putting on an act when they do this.

[Lorileah]

gawd I love when people start debating definitions and they really have no clue what the word means.


To the OP mi•sog•y•ny (mɪˈsɒdʒ ə ni, maɪ-)

n.
hatred of or hostility toward women.
Or
an extreme dislike of females, frequently based upon unhappy experience or upbringing.


I suspect you are speaking of the second. It seems extreme. While I have seen hostility to women here, hatred hasn't been common (I don't even remember anyone hating women). As far as people (note I didn't say women) messing with your mind at 18-25 years old...get used to it, it's what young immature people do for power.

OK, now let's stay the course here...

[ellbee]

Earlier, someone mentioned females on the internet who are misogynists because...

It was regarding misogynist comments -- not misogynists, per se.

But your rationalization of it is akin to walking a slippery slope, you realize. :)




I think that most feminists are simply like me ... they expect full equality with men...

Careful what you wish for. ;)



Anyway, anyone know of any good feminist forums? Because I hear that's where all the discussions about CD'ing are taking place. :strugglin

[ReineD]

Sorry Laura ... I don't understand the rationalization and slippery slope comment. What do you mean?

[NicoleScott]

This discussion is making me tense. I think I need to see a massagenist.

[Kate Simmons]

I'm wondering why I would hate what I would like to be? :battingeyelashes::)

[Teresa]

Lorileah,
I have to admit I did look up the word to get the correct definition , it's a pity more didn't do that, they appear to be disputing their own definition and not the true one.

Zooey,
I resent you inferring we all hate women because we have a bias as CDers, I treat everyone as equals , to like someone more or less because of their gender is totally wrong.
To be truthful I've probably hated more men than women only because I refused to be bullied by anyone, and that's usually down to men.

[Lorileah]

Nicole, I agree. The thread was tenuous at best. Seems the OP was venting on a certain woman (or subset of women). Now, we all know this happens frequently with SOs here but now I think this is less associated with CDs. Shall we try again. Let's keep this related to transgender (in the broad sense) people and being misogynistic or having been victims thereof

[Brandy Mathews]

I hate to ask, but what is a Misogynist?
Bree :)

[Maria Blackwood]

An expert in Japanese seasonings.

[Lorileah]

see number 37 above. The OP seems to be using it in reference to anger toward a woman or several women and then it was taken to the feminist agenda version

[Zooey]

Lori, it's all down to the interpretation of that definition. I believe that a callous disregard for or devaluing of women is a form of hatred, dislike, or bigotry towards women, aka misogyny.

[jentay1367]

If you're a woman posting in this thread, you're either flogging a dead horse or preaching to the choir. Learned some stuff though!

[PretzelGirl]

Kate, I have to say after all the years here, if you "want to be a woman", why aren't you transitioning?

But further, we know from watching all the people that come through here, there is no one way to be a crossdresser. Just to bring an example to some of this, there are some that go on about how their wives don't ever dress up and don't look as good as them. This is a great example of misogny that we often see here. It does show in many forms. So can a crossdresser be misogynistic? Absolutely and it isn't as uncommon as some may think.