Do you consider yourself lgbT?

[LexiNexi]

Or do you think of dressing as its own thing and not the same.

[Tracii G]

LGBT covers a lot of ground but if the T part wasn't part of the LGBT things would be a lot worse.
Personally I am the G and T in LGBT.

[Laurana]

Well since I'm not Lesbian, Bi, Gay or Trans the answer is dressing is it's own thing.

[Yoshisaur]

well I am bi so yes

[franlee]

No, don't fit in any of the classifications.

[docrobbysherry]

Lgbtcd------------------------------

[Maria Blackwood]

I'm B and sort of T and I don't consider myself part of it. The identity politics drove me away.

[Spiritfox]

I was bi before I started crossdressing, does that apply to what you're asking? I do attribute the dressing as a part of my bisexuality, kind of a way to present my self as the opposite sex to whomever I'm dating.

Edit:forgot that the more inclusive lgbtq+ includes 3 T's: Transgender, transsexual and transvestite. Just about all of us fall under one of those

[Geena Gee]

I believe that the correct terminology now is LGBTQ, with the Q meaning queer or questioning. Since the majority of CD on this forum are anatomically male, and are MTF CD, we all seem to be questioning something. We all are going against the norms of convention by wearing clothing designated by society for the opposite gender. We are questioning gender through a combination of physically observable expression, and psychological repression. (I never really cared about shoe shopping until I started CD.)
In drab mode, I am a hetero male physically, and psychologically. That is part of what keeps "Geena" in check. I hate to say it, but left to my own accord, I'd be a sl*t! LOL

So, the answer would be, I'm a Q

-Geena

[Seana Summer]

I consider CrossDressing to be part of the T in LGBT.... however I find that as a very part time, straight CD, I am not T enough to be "in" the community according to some,,,,,, so I don't go around wearing a star on my belly. The label doesn't really change who my friends are, and most importantly it doesn't change who I am.

[Vickie_CDTV]

In the very broadest sense, the T includes the heterosexual crossdresser. In practice however, the T generally means "transsexual" (those who live as women or are transitioning to live as women.)

[Jillian Faith]

I consider CrossDressing to be part of the T in LGBT.... however I find that as a very part time, straight CD, I am not T enough to be "in" the community according to some,,,,,, so I don't go around wearing a star on my belly. The label doesn't really change who my friends are, and most importantly it doesn't change who I am.

Seana said it best

[kimdl93]

In a word, yes. We often hear LGBT Described as a community....and that suggests inclusiveness rather than insulated.

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Lexi:hugs:, I don't feel like I am associated with any group,

I am just a guy that enjoys dressing as a lady and having the best of both worlds...:daydreaming:...

[Linda E. Woodworth]

Nope, I dress because I can

[Diane Taylor]

I'm none of those because I don't put labels on myself.

[Lana Mae]

It had become LGBTQ+ but now there are even more letters behind the Q! It is getting to be alphabet soup! T is supposed to be an umbrella and include CD but ...! Maybe I am but it does nothing for me! Hugs Lana Mae

[gailprice]

An Index of codes i thinks.........................?lgbT etc..............what.......

Gail xx

[Rachael Leigh]

I do put myself under the T-trans umbrella yes, I'm more genderfluid but yes I consider myself trans.
Not really an activist but there are things I agree with for sure

[CONSUELO]

Yes, I fall beneath that umbrella.

[samantha78]

I am B, but for the most part consider myself a person inside and out I am a person, same as anyone equal to everyone, I have the same features as everyone else

[shellybme]

If I were to label myself I would say Trans as I thought it includes Crossdressing. Isn't another word for crossdresser a transvestite? Or is that only if you get sexual pleasure from dressing which I know not all of us do. Just wondering?

[DIANEF]

Cross dresser is the only label I need to identify myself.

[JeanTG]

Yes, I am "T" in LGBQT. Possibly also "Q" assuming it means "questioning".

[PaulaQ]

However you identify - please help us. There are forces in the US waging all out war against trans people right now. The people who hate LGBT - especially T - don't care how you identify. They see no difference between you and me, and they want us dead.

[Geena Gee]

I previously gave my response, but I just had to get back in this thread to comment on a few of the responses.
Some say they don't belong to any group, because they don't label themselves. Fine, but society will still assign some type of classification to you.
Some say that they don't fit because they are part time.... Is that like being a "little pregnant?"

The truth might be difficult to wrap our heads around, but it's still the truth. There are no alternative facts regarding this. If you dress fully in the clothing of the opposite gender, whether in the privacy of your own home, or presenting in public, you are a Cross Dresser. (If you just like certain items - hose, heels, panties, etc. - then you're a fetishist, and might consider yourself a CD.)

PaulaQ is absolutely correct. Haters are gonna hate, but a lot of these haters now are dangerous. Even though CD has existed since the first neanderthal tried on his mate's loin cloth, it is still considered taboo by society in general. Being a CD or TV today is looked at as more of a novelty than the perversion it was once thought to be. If you wanted to get out of the draft during Vietnam, all you had to do was show up for your physical wearing a dress and heels... 4F - not psychologically fit to serve. Nazi Germany captured and executed the "Queers" before and during WWII. Sure, it was because of fear and ignorance, but this is the exact same mentality that is being embraced by some in today's society

We should all support the LGBTQ community, because, whether you want to admit it or not, we are all part of that community. The saying still holds true, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

Just my $2.37 worth.

-Geena

[Bobbi46]

I always thought that LGBT encompassed all of us completely, where I sit exactly is something I am still working on, fluid yes more than anything else. hetero ? yes but with very strong feminine feelings for and with dressing as a whole.
Where I am I have not come across any hate towards our community at all. I think we are slowly starting to live in a more acceptable society as a whole.
So yes I am all of it all.

[Alisonforme]

I think CD falls somewhere on the T line, so I'm a T.

[VioletDoll]

I'm in the Q

[~Joanne~]

I don't see a "C" or "D" in there so no, it doesn't pertain to me. I don't even thinking the "Q" (as in questioning) pertains to me. I like women's clothing, I like the feel, I like the escape of it, that's all it is to me. It's more cosplay than anything else.

[XemmaX]

T i guess but im not sure where cd fits to be honest.

[Millie.Graham]

Labels are for soup cans. I don't need a label. I am just me. So no, I don't identify with the T or any other letter.

PS: I miss hearing from Marcella, I hope she is doing ok.

[Rachael Leigh]

I just thought of something I said when I say I'm not an activist, however since I do go out present myself as a women and
yes I admit I enjoy being seen as one I guess that makes me an activist in my own way. I do my best to present myself in a
way that blends into those real GG and if engaged I try to be nice and pleasesnt so others who may wonder realized I'm just another person like them

[Tracii G]

As far as the Q I have never heard it as "questioning" and I have been in the LGBT community a long time.
We normally don't refer to the LGBT as LGBTQ.

[susancheerleader]

I am obviously not lesbian L
I am not gay G
I am not bi B
I am questioning the trans part on myself.

[PaulaQ]

As far as the Q I have never heard it as "questioning" and I have been in the LGBT community a long time.

Some use "Q" for questioning. Generally it stands for "Queer." For example, I have no problem describing myself as a Queer woman.

[Stacy Darling]

Hi Seana,

LGBTIQ, is Just another acronym.

Don't change who you are!

Stacy

[Exris]

I am just T. Only T.

Sex to me is such a small part of my life. Some people might read that as "Oh... he's not getting any". Well - thats been true for a few years. But Im an above average looking man. Im above average height. Im an above average earner. Just one alone of those is enough to "find some" if you want that. And for clarity I love having sex with women. But not at a cost to myself. And I am gradually... gradually... learning what I do want.

I am still a straight man that loves women so much it cuts me Im not one. My Dr knows how I feel. My previous Dr knows from when I lived on the South Coast. I cant legally go forward with anything in this country as Im considered too much "at risk" (serious heart issues) of... well... Karking it on the operating table. A few years ago I could have rocked up to a clinic in Asia and "just had it done". With facial surgery and a few other extras thrown in - costs around $20k. A straight vag is only $11k (cheapest... but I really dont want the Wallmart option). But even they wont do it for me now so Im considering options.

To get back on point. Im a straight man that (more than a little) enjoys CD'ing. With all options open Id choose to be a lesbian woman after reassignment. But if I chose or otherwise decided to be a straight woman [sex with men] that would be a free choice. If my mind turned that way - then thats what I would do.

Im not scared of change. Only frustrated by my own situation. And I am putting a little grey thought into how to alter that...

[Pat]

As far as the Q I have never heard it as "questioning" and I have been in the LGBT community a long time.

I've been in the community for a while too. The first time I was exposed to the Q suffix, I heard it as "questioning." It was years before I heard someone use "queer" and they explained they were "taking back" the word. OK, fine. I've also seen it LGBTQQIA (where queer and questioning both get billing along with intersex and allies.) In the very first go-round of initials I recall it was GLBT and then there was an insufferable amount of pushing and shoving between LGBT and GLBT -- you still see the latter in print from time to time though I'm not sure whose style book promotes it.

All of that aside, I do consider myself part of the LGBT community (to answer the question. ;) ) But I no longer consider myself to be a crossdresser, so maybe that's not what you were asking?

[Dana44]

LBGT for me.

[AllieSF]

I fit under the LGBT umbrella and the smaller T umbrella and am proud of both and what they have done for me and others. You may not like using labels and go labelless for yourself, but that really does not matter to third parties who use labels to help identify the person that they are talking with, or to help understand the other's point of view. You will be labeled as they feel correct unless you correct them.

[Kandi Robbins]

By definition, no. Straight, extremely happily married for 31 years and a CD.

Do I emphasize with, support, and volunteer my time for the LGBT community? Yes.

[Geena Gee]

I know that I'm the one that brought the "Q" into the mix in this post, and frankly, I had never heard of it until late 2015. But, I can relate to Q better than LGB or T. Remember, it used to be the "Gay Community" and people thought that offensive.
Lots of terms have changed over the years... Stewardess is now Flight Attendant, Waitress is now Food Server, T V Preacher is now Televangelist, etc.

I sure am glad that I learned my ABC's when life was less complex.

-Geena

[sometimes_miss]

Unless someone can tell you exactly why they crossdress, you're not going to get a lot of correct answers. I'm not exactly sure where I fit in. I have no gay feelings, but I'm not your average heterosexual male, either. Not TS either. So as I bend the gender lines by what I feel the need to wear, I'm somewhere in the TG spectrum.

[terza]

no, but i do fully support the progressive movement.

[Swimtran]

I don't publicly identify as LGBQT, but I can't deny that I am. My secret feminine habits are totally Queer, and there's no point in lying to myself about it. I could be Transsexual, and sometimes I fantasize about doing Gay things. But I don't have the courage to come out.

Intolerance makes me angry!

[Fiona123]

I do. In a closeted kind of way. I view myself as transgender.

[Becky Blue]

Good question, yes to my thinking I fall under the T category. Whether or not T covers CDing is arguable i guess.

[NicoleScott]

I'm a CDer, which puts me under the T umbrella, but I'm not part of the LGBTQ community, if there is such a thing.

[HollyGreene]

L - No.
G - No.
B -No.
T - No.
I used to consider myself to be a Lesbian in a man's body because I like to dress as a woman, but I'm only attracted to women. However. I don't think it's true. I don't actually feel as if I am a woman in a man's body. I'm just a man who wishes he was a woman.

[BettyMorgan]

Transgender encompasses any individual who crosses over or challenges their society's traditional gender roles or expression.

Take a look at this site - download their free booklet. It has an infographic on what is under the transgender umbrella.


http://www.thegenderbook.com/ (http://www.thegenderbook.com/)

[Aunt Kelly]

Oh my...
People, can we stop arguing about label, what single letter, defines us, and consider the stark reality that there is a group of politicians out there that have targeted us, yes all of us, as "the other". And now that group is fomenting fear and hatred as a means to solidify power in a dwindling demographic. That's what this is all about, and whether or not you think that L, or G, or B, or T applies to you, remember that they do. If you don't believe that, you're lying to yourself. Now I'm not saying that every one of us needs to turn hardcore activist and hit the streets, but you'd better start thinking about what you can do to support those who are out there on our behalf. Donate, volunteer, organize, work a phone bank. Just recognize that you do have skin in this game and act like it.

[Lauri K]

you'd better start thinking about what you can do to support those who are out there on our behalf. Donate, volunteer, organize, work a phone bank

With a few tears in my eyes tonight as I watch in horror all that has unfolded in such a short time across the USA and in my state of residence, I must say that if there is ever a time to fight and resist it is now.

So yeah, I am part of the LGBT and will keep donating and advocating equality for ALL

Lot's of work left to do and as soon as I can get the tears dried up it's back to work to fight for our rights, the fight for our freedom is on.........

[SusieSmith]

Recently, I heard the term "non-binary" and I liked it.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=non-binary
I just love to crossdress, not L, G, B, but maybe Trans, if you label it.
Non-binary maybe?

[Beverley Sims]

I'm in there somewhere, God only knows, I don't. :-)

[Ceera]

I could almost say all four letters apply to me... I would definitely not say that dressing like a female is a thing unto itself for me, and that I have no LGBT aspects involved.

Growing up, I felt I was bi since I was in my early teens, but I repressed it and tried my best to be straight. So definitely B.

Once I stopped repressing myself and accepted that I had a feminine side with its own needs and desires, I eventually decided the T (Trans) designation fit me - My mind includes a feminine counterpoint to my birth gender that needs expressing, quite apart from my sexuality. A need not only to dress like a female but to be accepted as one. I don't really get a sexual effect from dressing. It just is an aspect of expressing my feminine side. I don't hate existing as my birth gender, or feel a burning need to go full time as a female. I'm more at the gender-fluid point in the Trans spectrum, comfortable on either side, needing something at this point from both, and not willing to choose only one for full time living. I am not sure my T aspect will ever take me so far as full SRS, but I doubt I will ever stop feminizing my life.

When I am en-femme, after all those years of repressing my bisexual nature, I find I strongly prefer female companionship. And since I identify as female when I am en-femme, that sort of makes Ceera primarily a Lesbian, and the majority of my lesbian GG friends accept that assessment! So yes to the L, too.

Not really sure I would apply the G label to myself. I do have some attraction to males, but mostly only when I am en-femme. So is that straight or gay? Feels more like my girl side feeling straight attraction for a male... I do not usually seek male attention when presenting male, however... I guess I should say no to the G, simply because I virtually never go out as a male and seek or encourage gay interactions at that time.

While a CD who does not at all identify as LGBT may or may not feel there is a sexual aspect to their dressing desires, for me, the only sexual tie-in to dressing is that my feminine side appreciates feeling sexy when she dresses sexy, and when she gets positive feedback for it. I don't dress sexy (or feminine in non-sexy ways) as a kink. I choose how I dress and what I wear for the same reasons a GG does.

[Ressie]

I'm not 100% heterosexual and I'm not 100% cisgender, so the answer is yes. That said, I'm not an activist.

[Pat]

Some say they don't belong to any group, because they don't label themselves. Fine, but society will still assign some type of classification to you. [...] We should all support the LGBTQ community, because, whether you want to admit it or not, we are all part of that community.


There is total wisdom in that. You have to separate the agnsty navel-gazing over your own, personal identity and the classification that the society around you will lump you into. No sense trying to explain you just like the feel of the clothes but are not "one of them" when you're in the public spotlight. Nobody's going to care.


Nazi Germany captured and executed the "Queers" before and during WWII. Sure, it was because of fear and ignorance, but this is the exact same mentality that is being embraced by some in today's society

I've recently spent a lot of time reading about Germany between the wars and it's scary/interesting to look at the parallels -- the society was pretty open and greatly valued music, art and creativity. Germany as a whole was becoming very accepting to the people we would now call LGBT. Then a demagogue arose based on saber-rattling conservatives who felt the country was being taken away from them and given to people they defined as "other." We say it can't happen here; it can't happen now, but it's pretty scary. And it's important to note, it's not just happening in the US just as it wasn't happening in just Germany at the time. As we said a few decades ago -- think globally, act locally.

Sorry. I don't usually go to the dark place, but we should mindful that while we play in this sandbox (forum) there's a real world out there. ;)

[kimdl93]

I totally agree. Whether we are out, closeted or somewhere in between, we each have a personal, vested interest in assuring the rights of all of us who fall under the broad umbrella of LGBT...regardless of whether we identify, accept, assign or agree with a particular label. In the hate based political environment we seem to have entered, One inadvertent disclosure could cost any of us our rights, freedom, health or life. Complacency is not an option.

[penny lace]

If you have to apply a label then it would be T & Q, never stop questioning or discovering!

[Mickitv]

I am a bisexual and live to embrace it everyday.

[Wen4cd]

There is total wisdom in that. You have to separate the agnsty navel-gazing over your own, personal identity and the classification that the society around you will lump you into. No sense trying to explain you just like the feel of the clothes but are not "one of them" when you're in the public spotlight. Nobody's going to care.



I've recently spent a lot of time reading about Germany between the wars and it's scary/interesting to look at the parallels -- the society was pretty open and greatly valued music, art and creativity. Germany as a whole was becoming very accepting to the people we would now call LGBT. Then a demagogue arose based on saber-rattling conservatives who felt the country was being taken away from them and given to people they defined as "other." We say it can't happen here; it can't happen now, but it's pretty scary. And it's important to note, it's not just happening in the US just as it wasn't happening in just Germany at the time. As we said a few decades ago -- think globally, act locally.

Sorry. I don't usually go to the dark place, but we should mindful that while we play in this sandbox (forum) there's a real world out there. ;)

Berlin in the 1920s and 1930s was the quintessential place and time to be CD/TV. It was the only moment in history that comes close to the level of freedom that exists here and now.

I wonder if this free expression is some sort of universal harbinger for the onset of dark times?
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[LIKETODRESS2]

I am very bi sexual

[Rogina B]

Some use "Q" for questioning. Generally it stands for "Queer." For example, I have no problem describing myself as a Queer woman.

I have always told people that the "Q" stands for "queer" which is "all encompassing" for us variant folks ! With this administration,we need ALL to band together !

[Nikki.]

Berlin in the 1920s and 1930s was the quintessential place and time to be CD/TV. It was the only moment in history that comes close to the level of freedom that exists here and now.

I wonder if this free expression is some sort of universal harbinger for the onset of dark times?

Coincidentally i just read an article in the Washington Times by Neil Howe, an author whose work influenced Bannon. The gist is history repeats itself in 4 generation cycles; we are on the verge of another dark period, the last occurred with the rise of fascism in the 30's.

Think i'm going to read the book...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/where-did-steve-bannon-get-his-worldview-from-my-book/2017/02/24/16937f38-f84a-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.52937c7cb9da

[Samantha uk]

I don't consider myself as part of the LBGT community, I am a heterosexual male who sometimes plays with gender by expressing my feminine side and being perceived as a female. Even when fully dressed I am still a heterosexual male

[Susan Smith]

I'm just a man who sometimes likes to wear clothes others see as 'feminine'. I'm not a 'crossdresser' (ironic, I know, given the forum name) - all the clothes I wear are my clothes, it's just that some are considered to be womens clothes by large swathes of society. Out of respect for the view of the majority of society, I only wear my more feminine clothes in private and only my wife knows. There is a part of me that finds it very relaxing to wear more feminine clothes.

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Oh, and nail polish - why is it most of society thinks only girls should wear nail polish?

[Amelie]

The OP question asks, IF I consider myself LGTB, then the answer is no I don't. I consider myself a woman. I do know that LGBT is used by others and others will label me as one or two of those letters but I don't.

To me I find LGBT to be more of a political/activist term used in gaining rights for some who feel the need and support. I don't take that away from anyone, if they feel they want to be labeled LGBT or need the activism of a group for support then more power to them. I have done everything on my own. When living in the nasty parts of the city there was no support from LGBT people. Tgirls in my area were killed and not too much was heard from the LGBT. We knew that in order to survive we had to go it alone. Again, this might not be the case for everyone but in my case I don't need any support from the activism of the LGBT or the need of their labels.

And there are some in the t community who don't accept myself being labeled as a woman, so why should I accept their labels.

[Heather Anne]

I am a heterosexual crossdresser. I consider myself to be transgender and not transexual.

[Lacy PJs]

Crossdressing as an end to itself is where I fit in. While there are times that I might try to look like a woman, I don't try to pass myself off as a woman so that sort of rules ou the T in LGBT. As to the rest of it, the LGB, I'm strictly H.

Lacy PJs

[Pat]

While there are times that I might try to look like a woman, I don't try to pass myself off as a woman so that sort of rules ou the T in LGBT.

Only you get to define who you are, but you should probably look up the definition of transgender -- there's no requirement to "try and pass yourself off as a woman." Transgender has a single, simple definition which is that your sex and gender identity are not aligned. That is, if you're not cisgender, your transgender and vice versa. You're not really describing cisgender behavior when you say you might try to look like a woman. Once you get under the transgender umbrella, there are tons and tons of variations.

[StaceyJane]

I took a while for me to accept that I was the "T" in LBGT but yes I'm part of the gang.

[Aunt Kelly]

Well put, Pat. I am the last person to get hung up about the labels any of us chooses for ourselves, or refuses to accept, but in the current socio-political climate, I'm going to say that everyone here should consider your definition, because there are a lot of people out there who will throw you into that "T" group and make you "the other". Your expansive definition of that group suits me just fine.

[Samantha uk]

When you read through this thread there are a lot of different views about how we identify. The world instantly understands when you identify as a heterosexual, bi or gay male or female, its simple to understand. But our experiences of the world don't fit in to that simple idea so when we try and put a label on our identity, like 'crossdresser' for example, it comes with a load of baggage of what that word means to the person your communicating with. So I think labels can sometimes cause more problems than they solve

[Sometimes Steffi]

It took me a very long time to accept it, but I am a crossdresser. I believe that the T in LGBT includes transgender, so I also consider myself transgender, and as such, part of the LGBT community.

As you may recall, I'm a member of a large (~100) group of active TG girls, and I go out with them often. In more intimate conversations, some have admitted that they're pre-op Transexual, post op, middle path, on hormones, want to be on hormones or "just a CD". In fact, several of my best friends who I believed were "just a CD" are now pre-op, post-op or full time. However, I look at all of them as TG women, and in absence of the intimate conversation, and fully dressed en femme, I wouldn't know in which category to place them. So, to me, they're all TG.