Passing

[Kendra Sue]

I wish I could be made up to be totally passable as a female.

[Scarlett398]

Kendra, that's my goal every time I get my girl on as Scarlett. Based on the comments I receive from the girls on this site, I believe I am definitely pulling it off whereby no one can tell I am a guy in those pretty, cute, sexy, girly outfits and makeup.

Good start to a wonderful post, Kendra.

Take care and have a wonderful Sunday....Sincerely Scarlett :hugs:

[OCCarly]

I grew up in West Los Angeles, and just about everyone I hung with in high school ended up working behind the cameras in the movie and television industry. A few of my close friends know I am trans. When it comes to passability, one of them said to me, "Easy -- just how much time do you want to spend in the makeup chair?"

Really learning how to work with contouring makeup can produce stunning results.

[jennifer0918]

Kendra I recommend a professional make over ,you will feel amazing. I know I did ,I felt so femme, and got hit on at the club.

[Jane G]

Basically if you are the right build, then passing should not be a problem. We are all conditioned to look for certain markers. If you can fit those. Height build build, stance, clothing, makeup, etc, then you will pass. Simples!

Oh and belief that you are a women or at least that others see you that way.

[Teresa]

Kendra,
I've found that holy grail fades away once you go out socially, some dress better than others but I've stopped getting hung up on it now I openly talk to TSs, they have to forego those thoughts they live with what they're given and work on bringing mind and body into alignment .

I accept compliments graciously when they're given , I have been told I make a passable woman by another TS, otherwise some GG friends said I looked convincing, i'm just happy to be out dressed and mixing with other members of the TG community and at times the general public. I am just me and comfortable with it !

[Helen_Highwater]

Kendra,
Okay, so you get makeup to be 100% passable, I get that. What would you do with this gift?

Go out to restaurants, go shopping, the cinema, travel on public transport. Look at how many here who admit to not passing do all those things and more. It's so easy to get hung up on being 100% and forget it's also down to walk, mannerisms, posture, shaping, voice and let's not forget confidence.

Yep, if I were offered the opportunity to had the magic worked then I'd take it with both hands, which of us wouldn't but until then it's just do my best and get out there when I can.

[Alice_2014_B]

I can look fairly passable in most of my pictures; my goal is to look more passable on video.
Granted, viewers know I'm a guy as soon as I start talking.
:)

[Jeri Ann]

Hey Kendra,

There is so much more to "passing" than how your face is made up. The way you walk, your gestures, your voice, not to mention your size and overall build can't be disguised by stuff applied to your face. Don't worry so much about passing. Get out and enjoy life. You may get a glance but most people don't care.

[Lana Mae]

I just want to blend in not pass! The girl next door type thing! If they spot me, maybe they will just shrug their shoulders and go on! Hugs Lana Mae

[Michelle (Oz)]

Depending on how good you get with makeup, your physical build, your walk, your choice of outfits and many other markers you may blend. That is if you don't speak! But what is the point? That is unfulfilling.

Kendra, it is far more empowering (and practical) to accept that you will not pass and have the confidence still to interact in the community.

Gain the confidence to interact knowing that you will most likely be recognised as a man in a dress. People respect difference and honesty. I have so many friends and acquaintances in femme mode simply by being friendly, happy and engaging.

[docrobbysherry]

Passing is the Golden Fleece of dressing! So few of us really can. That is, be thot to be a female WITHOUT A SECOND THOT!:eek:

When u truly pass? YOU'LL KNOW IT!:daydreaming:

[Aunt Kelly]

Kendra, I believe that Jeri Ann and Lana Mae offer some great advice. It's fine to want to be as pretty as you can be. After all, who among us does not want that? But there is so much more to passing than hair, makeup and wardrobe. Those are all things we can work on, as are mannerisms, gait, and voice, but at the end of the day, very, very few of us will pass. So "blending" is a much better goal, IMO. As Lana Mae says, letting them "shrug their shoulders and go on..." is what works for me and so many girls here. Give that some thought.

Hugs,


Kelly Marie

[SometimesKairi]

Let's stick to the golden rule.
If it makes you happy, do it.
If it doesn't, don't :)

[Dana44]

Look at some of the female out there. Some are scary and male looking. If you are a CD learn how to out makeup on and go out and have fun. Sometimes I don't even use makeup.

[Rachael Leigh]

Passing is a great idea and thought but for most it's never going to be possible if your older especially. I don't pass 100 percent but when I'm out it seems as if I am because in my head I am who I am dressed as I choose and feeling great.
I just enjoy being out there and most I've interacted with have always been very kind

[Jean 103]

As I have said before passing is overrated. Be the best person u can be, No matter how u represent. Your here so u r TG. Live life, make friends, it's easier then u think. Yes it takes time,and things don't always work out, but it is worth it. Just when I think I'm living a nightmare my friends come thru for me, they r the best.

[Beverley Sims]

Kendra,
So do I.

[Tracii G]

I think we all wish for that but we know its way more than that.

[SherriePall]

As I was sitting in a make-up chair at a department store make-up counter, the SA told me an important thing: that many females have some male facial features so I, a male in drag that day, should not worry too much about looking 100 per cent femme.
The SA had worked in New York City with the likes of Divine and others (can't think of her name: Andy Warhol's GF), so she had a little bit more knowledge than I.
BTW, while sitting there talking many people passed by (it was a main aisle) and not one seemed to pay me any undue attention.
Do I pass all the time? Maybe, maybe not. I don't care as long as I am trying to present well by walking right and using femme actions as best I can.
I have said this before: If you leave them guessing, you have done your job!

[DIANEF]

I have been out several times. So far no comments of any kind, no double takes or finger pointing. Do I pass?? I don't know, and don't really care. The 'you go girl' comments you sometimes get on this forum can give you a false sense of how well you actually do pass, but if you're well presented and confident you will be fine when out. All of us would love to pass 100%, almost none of us do.

[Tracii G]

Diane F and Sherrie summed it up perfectly.

[Sherry Lynn]

"Passable" is something I don't quite understand. I prefer to be who I really am and I don't care what you lable me. I use the men's room while dressed and make no attempt to disguise my voice. I am certainly attracted to other CDs who make no bones about who they are. I get a rush from being looked at and more so if they make a comment. I usually ask if they would like to see what's in my panties as well. That embarasses most hecklers although some have even asked to have their picture taken with me. (Even a cop asked for a photo once) Whats the point of crossdressing unless you show it off?

[sometimes_miss]

The right height, the right build, the right facial bone structure, the right skin, the right size hands and feet, the right voice, the right teeth, etc.. Anything that suggests you might not be 'the real deal' will invite further, more rigorous inspection which will uncover anything else which can give us away.
Of course, sure, there ARE a few women out there that some of us could emulate more easily, but even those are more feminine that the vast majority of us (Dot Jones, for example https://speakerpedia.com/speakers/dot-marie-jones Who plenty of us might THINK we could compare to, doesn't have the adams apple that we are all walking around with.

Damn, it's always something, isn't it.

[Just Nikki]

Passing under what circumstances? Sitting with a good makeup job in a dimly lit room, not speaking to anyone I might be passable, in a brightly lit room at a speed dating event probably not. At a Mall walk, did I pass? Who knows, the people that glance at you and continue whatever they were doing, did you pass or did they just not care? You could have a hundred eye contacts with people and never know whether you passed or not. If you pass, people are probably not going to come over to you and tell you that you look like a girl on the other hand if someone laughs and points their finger at you, you can be pretty sure that you were clocked. So the judgment feedback is somewhat skewed. So the bottom line is that I probably shouldn’t care if I pass or not and just be myself. Besides, I don’t like to speed date anyway.

[Stephanie47]

I checked your age (67). I'm nearing 70. My imperfections are age related other than my six foot height. I remember the faces of my mother and grandmothers and great aunts. There's not enough makeup to make me into a 20 or 30 or 40 year old. I just go with light makeup just like those women wore. And, as stated there is the walk, the poise, etc. I cannot be who I would like to be.

[TrishaLake]

Unicorn if you ask me and will ruin your time when going out...instead, do you the best you can ...and that will make you happy...

[Maria 60]

I know what you talking about, no matter how beautiful the outfit or how much makeup, all I see is a man dressed as a women. Passing would make the road a little smoother, maybe in my next life.

[Ally 2112]

When it is dark not so bad in the daylight umm i need a little work .To pass would make me a lot happier until i figure a way to do it i will have to accept the way i look

[Becky Blue]

For me passing is not that relevant, when I am out I want to look as good as I possibly can. If I am shopping or out with friends for a meal I want to blend in and just be another woman who 'they' glance at. Other times if I am going to a club or bar maybe I want to be a bit more noticed. Will I pass? yes to some people no to others.

Take some time to watch real women closely and you will see that many have very manly hands or no hips or a male looking chin, so the question there is do they pass?

[Suzie Petersen]

It is "the sum or errors" that is the problem. Yes there are women with large hands or other manly traits, but you still dont doubt that they are in fact women because everything else about them adds up. When we try to emulate women on an infrequent basis, there will be a number of things that dont fit the picture. We can try and mask it out, hide some things, enhance others, create distractions and illusions, but it is difficult if we dont do it every day. When the observer starts summing up the little things, the result is FAIL, not a woman.
And funny enough, one of the little errors is when it is obvious to the observer that you yourself is questioning if you pass!

But there is wisdom in what many have said many times ... Who Cares! Do your best and then forget about what others think.

Best way to pass is to stop wondering if you do!

- Suzie

[Teresa]

Suzie,
I agree with that, just be yourself , funny thing is the less you think about it the more people accept you and tell you how good you look , the most used term I've heard is convincing .

[Paula2]

Very few can pass in every situation.. From my experience and from what I have been told it really comes down to confidence!!! If you act like nothing is wrong most people will just dismiss you as a "manly" looking girl.. Watch real women and see how they behave in public. Don't make eye contact with everyone you walk past trying to figure out what they are thinking.. GG don't do that.

[SometimesKairi]

There's a TV show in the UK called QI, hosted by a smart, gummy, gay man named Stephen Fry.
In one of the questions (the show is called Quite Interesting as a pun on IQ and is more about the more obscure answers to random questions) is about how can you tell if a man is dressed as a woman.
The obvious replies came, height, hands, Adams apple. Each time a contestant makes an incorrect answer a klaxon buzzes and they lose points. All of them got a klaxon.

Fact is, until you get down there, there is no way of knowing truly if it is a boy or a girl.
Some girls are tall with big hands and prominent Adams apples, some guys are short with small hands and small Adams apples.

Gotta love facts

[Teresa]

Kairi,
Nowdays the real giveaway is only CDers wear dresses or skirts, and certainly stockings with suspender belts !! Dam it it's getting me all excited again !

[Suzie Petersen]

Teresa: Suzie, I agree with that, just be yourself , funny thing is the less you think about it the more people accept you ..

Thats exactly my point Teresa. The moment where you will realize that you were probably "passing", is when you were in conversation, fully involved in the situation, not paying any attention to your own look or presentation but just interaction in a natural relaxed way.

That does not mean nobody around you might have known or might have thought. But it means that in that situation, you yourself, and nobody else around you, really cared about that. Everybody were just in the moment and taking part on the chat or talk or whatever. That is what their focus was on, nothing else. And nobody cared.
Then you passed as, and was accepted as, .. You!


Kairi: ... Some girls are tall with big hands and prominent Adams apples, some guys are short with small hands and small Adams apples. Gotta love facts

Yep. I have no Adams Apple, never had one, and I am definitely a guy.

- Suzie

[reinasblack]

Post your photos and let's see what could become tweaked. Front pose,3/4 and profile all with hairup then repeat with hair down and makeup if you like.
Well your Time is likely lower as a result of age and it's decline with it. Your masculineity is locked in for the most part unless you want hormones and FFS.
Let's see what a professional make over can do along with a few drag queen special effects.

Lookup Frank Maloney now Kellie Maloney below the boxing promoter after the FFS and professional makeup WOW!
Go to a Transformation salon in your area or MAC cosmetics counter.


My job is to make men look like women"
And trust us, the results are beautiful


Bouidor studio in West Hollywood California in The USA are London

When Kelly - formerly known as boxing promoter Frank Maloney - strutted into the Celebrity Big Brother house recently, it was a bit of a first for the transgender community. Men choosing to live as a women has always existed, but by making such a public appearance in her new feminine get-up, Kelly helped to chip away at the ignorant view some people still have on the subject. We chatted to Jodie Lynn, a makeup artist who has dedicated her career to helping men reveal the woman within…

"I have been obsessed with makeup for as far back as I can remember. I loved the smell of it and the different shades and colours. My parents bought me one of those mannequin heads as a child and I virtually wore it out! I had a fascination with drag queens from a young age too - using makeup to switch genders seemed so powerful to me."

"My clients vary in age from 15 to 96, from cleaners to politicians. There really is no trend in who transgenderism affects - Christians, Jews, Muslims… Everyone! The majority of my clients are living in the closet. Most of the time, nobody knows their secret apart from me. The transvestite clients normally live a heterosexual existence with a wife and family who have no idea that they have been sporadically dressing as a woman for years. They don't wish to transition or change gender, they just have an overwhelming desire to dress as a female every so often. These clients will come to me for a makeover and a dressing-up session but they have to change back at the end and go back to their normal lives."

"There is no specific male-to-female makeup course. Instead, I went for lessons with an amazing transsexual woman called Pandora De'Pledge who sadly died a few years ago from cancer. Pandora had been one of the Barbettes (Transsexual waitresses and performers) at Madame Jo Jo's back in the 1980's. She was big, blonde and beautiful and could carve out a female face on any man and make them look amazing. Pandora taught me about the main differences between a male and female face and how to address these by using clever hi-lighting, contouring and shading. She was amazing and I will always be incredibly grateful for her invaluable advice."

"I own a London makeup studio called The Boudoir. I give my clients a makeover then take them out onto Oxford Street, Covent Garden and Knightsbridge. This is a whole new challenge for them as it involves them trying to "pass" in public. Rarely do we get stares, though. We go out as a group - have sat in the Royal Box at the theatre and attended over 10 Royal Ascots. We don't do things by half and when we do it, we do it with style and dignity. I was recently offered the chance to buy a similar business in West Hollywood. London and LA are both fabulous places to be a transgender person - you can just blend in and enjoy your day."

"I don't like wigs that look like wigs. I tend to use Noriko, Renee of Paris or Amore ones - they are all great quality synthetic. I love human hair wigs too but they need heat styling every time you wear them and for a lot of my clients who have to keep their wig hidden away, they just don't have the time, patience or expertise to completely restyle a wig every time they wear it. I really like the gradient colour wigs with darker roots, especially in the blonde and lighter brown tones. The darker roots just make the wig look more real and for most of my girls, that is what it is all about."

"I have watched my clients break down and cry after their makeovers. Sometimes it's the first time that they have ever seen themselves looking realistic as a female. It can be totally overwhelming and somewhat of a relief. It can also be quite frightening for them as it suddenly presents a whole world of possibilities that they never felt that they had before. One client who has now been successfully transitioned to female for the past five years said that when she first came to me, she was hoping that I would make her look horrible so that she could shelve all the feelings and then perhaps it would go away. When she saw how I made her look and more importantly, how it made her feel, her world turned upside down because she suddenly realized that her dreams to live as a woman were now a possibility."

Jodie Lynn transgender makeovers - there's a makeup artist dedicated to making men look like women - cosmopolitan.co.uk

JODIE LYNN'S TOP TIPS FOR TRANSGENDER MAKEOVERS

1. CONCEALING STUBBLE

"Heavy stubble can be disguised using a Red Mehron Paint Stick to neutralise the blue tones in the shadow, before using Kryolan TV Paint Stick over the top. This is theatrical makeup made to withstand the heat from theatre lights, so good for a person wearing a wig that's stopping heat escaping from their head. For less heavy shadow I tend to use MAC Full Coverage or MAC Pro Longwear Foundation because of their durability. MAC are a very Transgender supportive company. Translucent powder is also crucial to set the foundation and stop it from lifting around the beard area."

2. SHAPING EYEBROWS WITHOUT PLUCKING

"Eyebrows can be disguised and reshaped using eyebrow wax. The wax needs to be applied to the hairs that you want to disguise and leave the hairs behind that you want to create a nice arched shape with. Then you can apply foundation over the wax followed by a lighter coloured eyeshadow such as white or cream."

3. CREATING FEMALE CONTOURS

"There are 18 structural differences between a male and female face, and I address this with very structured contouring. I shade MAC Bronzer in Golden Refined on the temples to slim the forehead down, the sides of the nose to reduce the width, the indent of the cheeks to make a sharper cheek bone, and the jaw line to round off and soften the typical square male jaw. I also highlight the top of the cheekbone, the middle of the nose, the middle of the forehead, the middle of the top lip, and the middle of the chin with a very light dusting of white eye shadow."

4. PLUMPING LIPS

"Women generally have fuller lips than men, so I need to line the lips outside of their natural lip line, but without creating that sex doll look. I then fill in with a lipstick using a lip brush, powder over, dust away the excess and then reapply. This makes the colour stronger, prevents bleeding and helps the lipstick to stay on all night. I also add a small amount of white eye shadow to the middle of the bottom lip to give it a fuller appearance."


https://www.google.com/amp/www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/beauty-hair/makeup/amp30153/makeup-artist-jodie-lynn-transgender-makeup-tips/

[Sandin Meknickers]

Here in beautiful England, many ggs don't pass for human, nevermind into a particular class of them. I'm sure if you have a clear idea of who you are, then you'll pass in all the important ways.

[reinasblack]

If Frank Maloney now Kellie and Bruce Jenner can look acceptable and fabulous with a professional makeover so can you....

I have been working TG/TS pageants for years and I see many Transformations. Many go to work as a GG in stealth.

See Kellie Maloney below