In Hotel Room Hoping to be Caught

[Jennifer72]

Hi Ladies,

It has been sometime since I have been on here.

Anyhoo,

Today, I am in a hotel alone, dressed in a white sexy satin blouse and denim skirt and hopefully will soon be visited by housekeeping.

I am afraid but excited as I have never been so bold. Any ideas or suggestions ladies when I get the dreaded (or hoped for knock on the door)?

:o

[Teresa]

Jennifer,
Why wait for housekeeping , just bite the bullet and head off to the hotel facilities . Maybe it might help if you read my thread about having a quiet cup of tea . It was great the previous time being dressed in a strapless dress and walking through a busy hotel to the meeting room where we were going to celebrate a 60th birthday. next morning two of us decided to dress for breakfast,the dining room was full !

[Micki_Finn]

You could always just go out if you want to be seen. I know housekeeping usually HATES it when guests are in the room while they're trying to clean and with the level of sexual harassment and even outright violence they are often subject to. At least give her space.

[Jennifer72]

Thanks Micki,

I don't harass and plan on just chit chatting, no flashing, cornering etc......I just would like to be seen (odd as that sounds) but I don't intend to corner the poor woman. Suddenly, it sounds like a bad idea..............

[Elizabeth G]

Hi Jennifer,

I agree with Micki. This could be perceived as confrontational and could lead to unforeseen problems. I absolutely understand wanting to be seen but perhaps a different scenario would work better.

Elizabeth

[Tracii G]

Might be a guy working housekeeping too did ever think of that?
You may not plan to harass but you don't have to do much these days to make people go off their rocker and claim harassment.
Its your fantasy not theirs so be ready for backlash if it happens.
If you want to be seen walk out the door and head on into town and make a day of it.

[Jennifer72]

damn, change of plans everyone....gotta run........thanks for the input

[Jaylyn]

My suggestion would be to wait till they arrive and just tell them all you need are fresh towels. This usually is not confrontational. You could even hand them the old ones and then walk back in with the new ones.

[Tracii G]

Wonder what changed?

[Jean 103]

Yes it's a bad idea. Just go out in the world and experience it. I can remember only a few years back in was a big deal. Now I live as Jean and it is really no big deal. The only place I feel apprehensive anymore is at the home improvement store. And there is no reason, everyone there is always very nice to me.

[Rachael Leigh]

I know most here have fantasies but for those who want to be seen, just go out, shop got to the hotel bar but this one I don't get

[Tracii G]

I don't think there was a lot of thought put into this particular episode of being sexy for the house keeper.
The house keeper could be married and be completely upset and think it bordered on the edge of perversion.
They would have no idea what you intent actually is /was.
Plus either person may be armed and neither knows whats happening.
Just a bad idea and not respectful to the housekeeper.

[Alice B]

Get out of that room and explore

[AllieSF]

Looks like you were successful in changing her plans. Housekeepers encounter people in their rooms all the time, some are working at their desk, reading a book or just chilling. There is no harassment going on. If one acts properly, let them clean, get out of their way when necessary and, in this case, maybe a tip for doing a good job would be in order. You usually get accused of sexual harassment when it is close to that or worse, not for sitting in your hotel room while someone is there. I agree, go out to your car, take a drive, maybe a drive through for something to eat or drink, a walk in the park. However, for those first timers, even getting out of the room is a major milestone and their fear needs needs to be respected by us more experienced people here.

[JaniceP]

You know, the housekeepers just want to get the rooms cleaned. I really don't believe they want to sit and have a Chat--they just want to get their job done & go home.

[Jenna Stunned]

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

[Tracii G]

I hope we made her rethink her plan.
Pink fog can cause lots of bad ideas.

[Aunt Kelly]

Yes, it is a bad idea, and here's why. You've chosen to spring your little "surprise" on someone at her place of employment, where she has no choice but to put up with your weird game while she does her work, or go to her supervisor. I guarantee you that neither of those to choices are at all attractive to that housekeeper. That makes you a bully.

If you want "chit chat", go out and pursue it like a normal human being, boy mode or girl mode, it doesn't matter. Most people don't care. Just stop bullying hard working people so you can get your jollies.

[Lauri K]

This reminds of the time I was in the hotel room which had a sliding glass door to a balcony, I was on my phone with ear buds in and as having a loud conversation or sorts with a issue going on at work and later went back into my room and the maid was in there cleaning ( I never saw or heard her enter ), she just smiled at me and of course I was in the phone still so what could I say

I would have to say they have seen it all by now

Jennifer get up and open that door and go see the world, be much more fun than waiting around for housekeeping to show up

[Laura28]

If you want to be seen in a hotel room just order room service. They come out the food on the desk and you sign.

[Leslie Langford]

As it is, people in occupations such as housekeeping already occupy the bottom rung of the societal totem pole, often have precarious jobs, and are generally paid minimum wage (even less if they are undocumented illegal immigrants and are being exploited by unscrupulous employers). All they want to do is make ends meet, maybe send part of their meager earnings back to their country of origin to help out the extended families they left behind there, and generally just make it through the day.

Somehow, I doubt that being an unwitting participant in some entitled person's sexual fantasies appears in the job description anywhere...

[Kelly DeWinter]

Does anyone else find these kind of posts disturbing ? I have to agree with the others go to a bar, or walk around outside. This can end wrong in so many ways.

[lingerieLiz]

For many years my work caused me to live in hotels or motels. At one that I was at for over 6 months I would often leave a dress hanging or purchases on the bed I never used. One day the cute house keeping manger who I had gotten to know quite well ran into me in the hall. She said, I hung up your stuff for you so it wouldn't get wrinkled. What she was referring to were my clothes that had been in my suitcase. My dresses, skirts, blouses etc. It was an upscale hotel that offered to hang clothes for clients when checking in. I know one time she had seen a night gown that I had hanging in the closet.

[cdinmd206]

My ex worked in the hotel business for many years and could tell some interesting tales. But getting back to the point. If you are dressed in female clothing and are obviously a male in your room and tell the cleaning service or room service to enter this can be considered inappropriate. However if you are dressed and outside the room and you are not showing genitalia then that is not considered inappropriate. Sounds strange but that is the rule mist hotels go by an believe me when I say the hotels will protect their employees.

[Tracii G]

Kelly I have seen some disturbing /freaky posts as of late dealing with things like this not to mention some avatars that make me wonder if the person think this is a porn site.
Honestly if you are going to be pervy please don't let us know.Ewwww.

[CynthiaD]

I've been caught by housekeeping several times. Just tip a couple of bucks, and no sweat.

[jennifer0918]

Very bad idea,why don't you order roomservice? Have the waiter come into your room tip and say thank you in your best femme voice posible

[dan.dan]

I like to leave my lingerie in my room so that they know it's mine......

[Aunt Kelly]

So it's not just me, then. :confused:

[Ressie]

Room service would be better than maid service. But for a baby step I would step into the hallway and go to the nearest ice machine or vending machine - unless there's a convention going on.

[Alice Torn]

This reminds me, of the time, in 2010, that i locked myself out of my third floor motel room!! Had to summon up the guts to walk all the way down to the busy lobby, full of parents and kids, to ask the front desk lady for another key, in a tight short dress, short wig, and hose. I left my high heels by my room door, so i could walk or run faster!! may saw me! Just take a walk down the hallway, or outside for five minutes.

[Amy Lynn3]

I had just checked into a room and was getting dressed (femme) and house-keeping just unlocked the door and came in. No knocking or anything. The lady said she had come back to see if all the cleaning had been done. I just ask her to leave and that was it. I have wondered if that is normal for house-keeping to return after the room had been rented.

I know I did not plan on someone seeing me and I would never advise anyone to be seen like that.:2c:

[docrobbysherry]

This is one of the weirdest threads I've seen posted in my 10 years here. :eek:

However, since I live in a glass house, I will not pass judgement simply because I don't relate to the poster's motivations-----------:straightface:

[Crystal 42]

I guess because I'm closeted I don't really understand the motivation for wanting to purposefully out yourself in such a fashion. I'm not judging Jennifer and perhaps in some ways it helps her with self-acceptance but I can think of better ways of doing this than getting busted by the maid. I assume it's a decent hotel and as long as it doesn't have a big sign saying "Crossdressers go home", then all guests should be respected no matter how they dress. So here's a wild idea, why not go to the bar or the restaurant, relax, blend in and be yourself.

[Robbin_Sinclair]

I haven't read every comment but one thing people are doing is understimating housekeeping. Unless the person is some first day on the job individual, they have seen it all. Just be yourself. Talk as you want. If you have forms on, you are probably feeling very perky. God, be happy. Enjoy the moment. She/he will enjoy the diversion. Tip well. Love bunnys to all. 280136

[Joni T]

You want to be seen??? Just go out and be seen.
Jon

[Kelly DeWinter]

Traci G have to agree sometimes a post reminds me of the early Gay Pride parades where participants let it all show. It's just not for me (sorry if i appear judgmental). I know that if I had a family member in the hotel industry, I would not want them to be forced to participate in someone's 'caught' fantasy. Would anyone else want this for a family member ? And tipping someone is a strange compensation. If you are going to spend money on that type of fantasy, there are professionals who do that for a living, or so i'm told LOL.

[Jenna Stunned]

This is one of the weirdest threads I've seen posted in my 10 years here. :eek:

However, since I live in a glass house, I will not pass judgement simply because I don't relate to the poster's motivations-----------:straightface:

You and me both Hun.

[AllieSF]

Well said Robbin. Why do some here seem to insinuate that she will be waiting dressed in transparent lingerie just to shock the staff? I understood that she just wanted to be seen in her nice sexy top (that may or may not be transparent and with or without a low neckline) and denim skirt and to have a little interaction with the outside world while in the safety of her hotel room. It is not the best way, but definitely not the worst way to have that first interaction. I get the "stay away from sexy" recommendation, but people here are making her seem like a pervert without even asking exactly what she meant by "sexy top". Sorry state of affairs, especially when some of these same people will ooh and aah over some thin lady among us who wears clingy and revealing clothes and explains that is what they wore out a few nights ago.

I have spent a fair amount of my professional life in hotel rooms and have been surprised many times when the cleaning people and maintenance people come in. Yes, they have seen more than we can imagine.

[Kelly DeWinter]

I am in a hotel alone,
dressed in a white sexy satin blouse and denim skirt and
hopefully will soon be visited by housekeeping.

I am afraid but excited
as I have never been so bold.

When it reads like you you are waiting to pop up or ambush someone (yes ambush is a bit harsh), it does seem weird and creepy.

In my job I do see a lot of weirdness, just because it does happen, does not mean I want it to happen.

The issue is not what shes doing in her room, its the idea of pushing a fantasy encounter on an unsuspecting person, besides she asked for input.

[AllieSF]

It is interesting how each of us interpret the printed word. I understood that she was in her hotel room alone, which is logical if the family, wife or co-worker weren't there to share the room cost. Her sext blouse is sexy in her view, which can vary as I stated in my post above. I went for sexy cute and not sexy trash and exposing too much. Her hope to me was to have a first human contact, sight and maybe light conversation with another human being. This would be to help her gain the confidence to take the other recommended steps to eventually getting out of the closet/house. I understand that she could very well be and probably is afraid of being dressed as a woman in front of someone else, but still excited to experience that first milestone of getting out. She was always to afraid to meet someone face to face dressed as a woman. In my first post here I also recommended that she do a drive around and try a drive through as a way to start.

So, though your viewpoint fits your reading. I prefer my reading and interpretation of a first timer taking those first steps, and I have helped several do just that and most of the time they were not in their best linguistic style before, during and after. They may use awkward or misleading words that can be interpreted more than one way. I usually go for the good side and not that they are being wierd. So, that is why I defend her thread, until proven wrong, because I like the high road instead of the negative lower one.

[Ressie]

I also prefer Allie's interpretation of the OP. I find some of the replies rather cruel bordering on name calling. And Robbin_Sinclair is absolutely right about hotel staffers having seen everything. Some of them have stories that will really freak you out; things that make a CD in her room sound like a normal day.

Jennifer72 just has a desire to been seen dressed by another human but isn't ready to step out yet.

[Tracii G]

Allie you can try to explain away all you want it doesn't change the fact its an unusual/creepy thing to do to a person that is not ready for it.

[AllieSF]

I respect your view Traci, but I obviously will stick with mine until new information supports the negative viewpoint. I have not read any other OP posts.

[Aunt Kelly]

I also prefer Allie's interpretation of the OP. I find some of the replies rather cruel bordering on name calling.
No. What is cruel is forcing someone else to be part of your "caught" fantasy.

That's what Jennifer's original post looks like to me. See Kelly D's highlighted quotes a few posts above. If I have misread that, Jennifer, then I am genuinely sorry. You live in a relatively tolerant, major metropolitan area and can go out dressed all day long without risking someone else's distress, however slight, in this contrived scenario. Trust me, it's so much better out there in the world than in your hotel room.

[Beverley Sims]

Just go out and enjoy the day, the hotel staff will just think....."Another weirdo".

So do it properly, thinking you are getting caught by hotel staff is not really creative.

[Jodie_Lynn]

Whether or not the housekeeping staff has 'seen it all' isn't the issue. Staff is there to do a job, and, you are a GUEST of the establishment. Yes, you pay for the use of the room and staff is there to see to your enjoyment, in a routine fashion, but that does NOT entitle you to subject the staff to fulfilling a role in your fantasies, desires, or lifestyle.

I am NOT casting aspersions on the OP or her unspoken intentions, however, for those who see nothing wrong with the scenario presented, lets change the script a bit.

I am in a hotel alone,
dressed in leather bondage gear, self tied to the bed and
hopefully will soon be visited by housekeeping.

I am afraid but excited
as I have never been so bold.

Perhaps not so acceptable? The fact that the OP was in her room, dressed (provocatively or not),and was WAITING for housekeeping to show up, indicates to me, that the OP has no regard for the housekeeper as a PERSON.

I believe, that some people in our little community sometimes have a touch of myopia, or tunnel vision when it comes to CD-ing. For many, there seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to accept, and defend without limit, what other CD's do. This is a natural reaction by members of any grouping of social animals. We take a stand that "They" (the outsiders, the gentiles) are the opposition, and "We" ( the group, tribe) must stand united.

But then, there are also those within the 'Tribe" that tend to hold other members to a higher standard, stating that 'she should know better' and 'doesn't he realize how he is presenting the group?'

But what do I know, I'm just an aardvark.

[Tracii G]

The OPer knew it was wrong but was getting off on it and that doesn't bother anyone?
The left coast people have seen so much of this kind of stuff they think its semi normal.

[NicoleScott]

The OP just wants to be seen dressed. There's a lot of reading more into it than is really there. Why is seeing her creepy but seeing you not creepy? For some of us, crossdressing and being seen dressed is fun and exciting. Why so much buzzkill?

[Aunt Kelly]

The OPer knew it was wrong but was getting off on it and that doesn't bother anyone?
The left coast people have seen so much of this kind of stuff they think its semi normal.
I beg to differ. I am a left coaster. What you and I both think we saw in the original post is not OK. Not here and certainly not there. Let's stop with us vs them crap.

I am not defending Jennifer's actions, but I am willing to allow that she has come to realize why "just wanting to to be seen dressed", in that particular way, is unacceptable. Her subsequent posts might be seen to support that change of heart.

Nicole, it's not the seeing that's creepy. It's the contrived scenario in a non-public setting. Anyone getting the creeps from seeing me on the street, can look away. The lady that's creeped-out by seeing me in the nail salon (a semi-public setting) has a choice. She can get up and walk out or she can complain to the management of the establishment. They have a choice. They can ask me to leave, or they can ask her to leave. I probably tip better but it's still their choice. That housekeeper is powerless and has no good choices. If she does not make up the room, she's not doing her job. If she complains to her boss, she may well be seen as a trouble maker. This leaves her with one option, trying to get her job done in what may be a very uncomfortable situation for her. That is not OK.

[Tracii G]

Big difference Nicole I'm not setting an ambush on a person not expecting it I'm out in the world among the regular people.
Those people that have a problem with me can see me coming I don't sneak up on them with some nefarious intention of getting my jollies.
I understand that people want to be seen and are afraid to go out but thats a hurdle we have all had to cross.
You want to be seen head out the door and walk around the motel don't throw your fantasy on motel employees in this manner is all I'm saying.

[Sara Jessica]

Left coaster here and I'm seeing this through a similar lens as Allie. While I can definitely see the other way to interpret the scenario as presented, I think OP sees this as simply a way to break out just a bit, to be seen and perhaps interact with another person. Any intentions beyond that, creepy or otherwise, are subject to nothing but speculation.

And this is coming from one who is usually very quick to call out "creepy is as creepy does". I simply didn't see that here. Odd? Perhaps.

My advice to OP would be the same as what has been said by many others. Ditch this fantastical scenario and just go out somewhere, even if only the hotel bar. You will encounter plenty of hotel staff on the way who are likely to do nothing but smile and say hello. Heck, they might also ask if you need anything. That is their job, customer service. You (OP) might find it both exhilarating (fulfilling the need you described) and liberating.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Well said Aunt Kelly

It's also not a Left coast vs Right coast , New York, Boston , New Orleans and South Florida are as Left as anywhere.

[Tracy Irving]

damn, change of plans everyone....gotta run........thanks for the input

I wish we could find out what didn't happen here. You know, for closure...

[Kelly DeWinter]

Link of actual footage of what happened when room service arrived.

Link (https://gfycat.com/UnhealthyNauticalBlackfly)

[Lorileah]

Looks like you were successful in changing her plans. Housekeepers encounter people in their rooms all the time, some are working at their desk, reading a book or just chilling.
I won't even tell you what happened last summer while I was in California...:)

[Teresa]

Lorileah,
Don't be a spoilsport, you can't dangle a carrot like that and then not let us know !

[Melissa Rose]

I won't even tell you what happened last summer while I was in California...:)
Pfffft. Those of us in California have seen and done it all so go ahead and tell. However, others might feel differently....... :)

[jennifer0918]

Link of actual footage of what happened when room service arrived.

Link (https://gfycat.com/UnhealthyNauticalBlackfly)

LOL, robo butler how cool!!

[Leslie Mary S]

Hi Ladies,

It has been sometime since I have been on here.

Anyhoo,

Today, I am in a hotel alone, dressed in a white sexy satin blouse and denim skirt and hopefully will soon be visited by housekeeping.

I am afraid but excited as I have never been so bold. Any ideas or suggestions ladies when I get the dreaded (or hoped for knock on the door)?

:o

If you want it insure you are caught request room service, complain about a dripping faucet. etc. Order Pizza (out of hotel) food Delivery and request that they use either a male of female (your choice) driver.
DO NOT call police,Fire, or ambulance (or even kid about it) they don't have much humor.

[Kelly DeWinter]

LOL, robo butler how cool!!

Yes poor robo butler will never be the same.

[Pumped]

The OPer knew it was wrong but was getting off on it and that doesn't bother anyone?
The left coast people have seen so much of this kind of stuff they think its semi normal.

Nobody here got a rush the first time they went out in public?

Maybe I missed something, but I compared running into housekeeping as to going out in public. As long as the OP was dressed to pass I see no issue, now if she was dressed like a $10 hooker with genitalia exposed it would be different.

- - - Updated - - -

If you want to see what housekeeping has to deal with look on some of the adult video sites. There are videos of old, fat, bald guys, naked and erect waiting for housekeeping to come barging in. (Hey! that describes me except for the perverted parts!) A well dress CD would not even make them blink.

Often housekeeping gets paid per room, so if you are taking up their time talking to them you are costing them money

[CynthiaD]

I agree with Doc. This is a really weird thread. Not because of the OP's remarks, but because of the unbelievable negative reaction to it. As I mentioned above, I've been caught en femme several times by housekeeping. They clean the room. I sit in a chair and read my book, or work on my laptop. It's no big deal. If you're just sitting there in street clothes, doing what you would ordinarily be doing, it doesn't matter whether you're in drab or en femme, and it's no big deal. If there's something overtly sexual about the encounter, then that IS a big deal, but it still doesn't matter whether you're in drab or en femme.

[JenniferMBlack]

For those who are totally against this I wonder if yoyr thoughts change with a slightly different scenario and completely plausible one under the information provided. She is dressed in a sexy top in her hotel roo. waiting to be "caught" by room service. If you say this instead dressed I. a cute top waiting to be visited by room service. It takes the perversion and ambush out of it. The UP just wants to be seen and felt it would be easier with one person then going out into a crowd. Maybe not the best plan but some made it seam like she should be addes to the sex offenders registry.

[Kelly DeWinter]

lol, sure you can re-write and edit all day. and as a fyi you are taking it to the 'other' extreme as no one said or suggested she is to be added to the sex offenders registry.

[susancheerleader]

I have stepped outside knowing I was probably able to be seen. (Drunk) My two closest neighbors have definitely seen me dressed more then once. Not on purpose. Only one have I ever heard derogatory comments.,.. "he must be gay." The other hasn't said anything but I know he knows and in both cases it's DADT.
I don't go out of my way to be seen . But if I am suddenly seen I don't spas but will hide asap.

[Lorileah]

Pfffft. Those of us in California have seen and done it all so go ahead and tell. However, others might feel differently....... :)


Lorileah,
Don't be a spoilsport, you can't dangle a carrot like that and then not let us know !

As Rose on Golden Girls used to start her stories. May 2016...post op trans with "requirements" that need be done daily. Learned that even when you yell "don't come in! I'm..." they are already in. On the plus side, Maria and I became good friends and chatted frequently after that

[Jennifer Soames]

I would go out. It is not fair to the person coming to your room. You sound like a sane and nice person. You should confirm this by not surprising someone in their workplace. Go Out.

[kimdl93]

I have thought long and hard about this "wanting to be caught" thing. I find myself on the side of those who suggest that you prepare yourself as best you can, and present yourself honestly to the world. The alternative...of sitting around waiting to be seen...although there may be no malicious intent involved...well, it seems not only a bit untoward, but also debilitating. If you want to say to a stranger, "This is me", why impose that upon a hapless maid. Get out and face people who have the choice of engaging or ignoring you.

[NicoleScott]

The housekeeper doesn't know if you are a part-time crossdresser seeking the thrill of being seen, an androgynous dresser, a 24/7 crossdresser, or a TS in transition, all of whom may show some male attributes.

[char GG]

Just leave the room and go out. You will be seen.

By the way, the house keeper is just trying to make a living. They have probably seen it all. Not nice to try to get a "reaction" our of her/him for your own amusement. You would probably leave a better impression if you left a tip.

[~Joanne~]

I'm late to this post but curious on what did/didn't happen also. I hate it when there is no closure lol

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Jenn:hugs:, I am sure that the house keepers have seen it all and wouldn't be fazed by it...:daydreaming:...

[Ressie]

Yeah, go to Walmart and impose your CDing on unsuspecting shoppers and employees like the rest of us! -sarcasm- :)

[TrishaLake]

If you need to find the gall to go out and be uncomfortable ...just enlist another girl with more experience. I think you will find two stronger than one!

[Kelly DeWinter]

Wooooooah ! Is CDing a fetish for the OP ? if so then this is a bad idea , yes ? no ?

[AllieSF]

Kelly, Why ask us? Unless someone here really knows her it is all useless and possibly disruptive unnecessary opinions that are off topic. Maybe start another thread for the what if's and leave her out of it It appears that you and others have already chased her off. Why make it worse for her? Please explain.

[Kelly DeWinter]

AllieSF;

It's all been on topic for the OP. Her question was "Any ideas or suggestions".

There are three basic camps in this thread which include to paraphrase "It's a bad idea ... "," ... suggest you don't do it" and "go for it"

Nowhere was the intent to chase anyone off, forums where you ask for input, shockingly you do at times get input.

My question came, because another poster indicating she might me "forcing her CDing" on someone else. Waiting in a hotel room "excited" to surprise a hotel employee , does seem a bit odd. Who knows ? We could all be wrong and the OP may know the employee and it's all a harmless thing. Or we could be in an alternate timeline where 'surprise the hotel staff' is a requirement for checking into a hotel.

Since the OP hasn't posted an update , we may never know.

One of the interesting things about this thread is the diverse and varying thoughts on what people find acceptable behavior. For myself I like to encourage people to people to represent in the best way possible. I see people going out in public and interacting , to help people realize we the TG community are also made up of people who just want to be accepted and welcomed.

Personally I enjoy a good surprise every now and then , If i were the hotel staff I MIGHT find it amusing, If I were a gg hotel staff without much info on the TG community I probably would find it very creepy indeed.

So for me I would "suggest" a better "idea" would have been to go to a bar or to dinner.

[AllieSF]

Kelly, Thanks for the detailed reply. I also agree that there are a divergence in replies, suggestions, and in my opinion, over zealous minds ready to condemn the OP for even thinking about it. We have both have been here for a long time and have seen just about everything more than once. My specific question to you was about your question to the readers and posters here, and not directly to the OP wondering out loud if CDing was a fetish thing to the OP and then asking a follow on question "If so, then what?". That is not the topic nor an answer nor a suggestion to the OP's first post. If you wanted to ask her only for her reply, then just ask her directly and not ask the rest of us. A direct question to the OP I can easily accept because if she ever answers, you would have her point of view in her words. It is a clarifying question that could help clear muddy waters. We members here very rarely ask those types of questions and are more apt to readily jump on ill worded or confusing questions or statements by others. However, the point of asking it to the other members and respondents to the OP, seems to me a way of stirring the stuff up unnecessarily against the OP.

It would be nice if the OP returned to participate and help us understand, but I doubt that she will.

[Jodie_Lynn]

To AllieSF: If all it took to "chase off" the OP were a couple of people telling her it was a bad idea, then what does that say about her own thoughts on this?

And even though I do not believe the OP had any inappropriate designs on the housekeeper, it still seems like bad manners to set up the scenario in this way.

And I also would like her to reappear and tell what it was that changed her mind.

It's like reading a detective story with the last chapter missing..........

[AllieSF]

Jodie, you have been here longer than me, not sure if always on the site or just visiting enough to get 500+ posts. I have seen many innocent newbies here start with some awkwarded threads and get roasted, when in fact they were actually simple but easily misunderstood posts. Most stayed and clarified, or at least tried to clarify with success and many just dug the hole deeper, or never recovered from the accusations piled on by some of the members. I have also seen many start a thread and then never come back to it for the same reasons, though they stayed around as longer term members. What does it tell me (I cannot speak for others) is that on the positive side they are newbies trying to reach out and share an experience or a desire, or whatever. Sure, some may be just like what some here may think or have insinuated about the OP here.

I believe like you, at least so far with no feedback from her, that her intentions were good but maybe not so appropriate. However, as many have said here, the cleaning people have seen it all, accidently or purposely and should know the routine for strange encounters. Maybe she is beginning awkward steps on this forum and dressing up completely away from home and still learning the ropes trying to interact with someone. I guess I am defending her right to make errors, many of which most of us have made in one way or another over the years. If she had just said that she was in the room when the maid arrived with no damage done to anyone, there would have been a lot of kudos for surviving and taking that scary first step someplace. Her mistake here was to talk about doing it before the fact.

[Teresa]

Kelly ,
I'm still with you on this one, some members dress in a hotel room because it's their only outlet if they are in a DADT situation at home, but I would much sooner see them attempt to get out the door and take a walk around the hotel or surrounding area, intentionally waiting for unsuspecting hotel staff to get some kind of thrill doesn't sound good. If it happened by accident then fine , most staff have seen it all before.

Very few people take much notice anyway, even when I left the room in a strapless dress to get to the party. The only time I had a reaction was when I went for a swim in drab and returned the bathrobe dressed the receptionist at the leisure complex did say Oh and WOW it's you !! She only clicked on because I wore teal coloured nail polish all the time because I forgot to pack any remover , that did raise some comments from two female swimmers.

[Ressie]

Maybe the wording of the OP caused some members to reply with words like "creepy", "weird" and "ambush". Hoping to get caught probably wasn't very good wording for example. I think the intent was more like wanting to be seen by someone while en femme.

Dressed in a white sexy satin blouse somehow was interpreted as being sexy for the house keeper in post #12. Really?

But the 2nd to last sentence strongly implies that she has never been dressed in front of anyone - I am afraid but excited as I have never been so bold.

And soon the OP is being called a bully, the post is disturbing...too much imagination going on here.

I really despise groupthink mob mentality and I've seen too much of it among crossdressers on this forum. Yet, I'm happy to see that everyone doesn't have this negative point of view in this particular thread.

[Jenna Stunned]

Am I the only one still AMAZED at the attention this thread is getting? Like, WOW! Its a legit question from the OP, Perhaps slightly odd in my opinion, But nothing too crazy. And wow oh wow, Has it got peoples attention. Never would I have ever guessed this would have gotten so many peoples panties in a bunch. I guess, Lets keep
em rolling in, I love reading the responses. We are a diverse bunch for sure. Has the OP written back yet? Man, I really, really want to know how everything went down now. BAD!!! The excitement continues to grow!!!! Ill be so depressed if we don't get closer..... :eek:

[Exlecebra]

Jenna, I don't appreciate that you're here waiting for the OP to reply to get your jollies. You're ambushing her!

[/endsarcasm]

All bad jokes aside, I'm new to this forum and this has been a fantastic read. Well done girls. ♥

On topic, I can definitely see both sides of the argument. I didn't interpret the OP as being at all "creepy" or "weird" and I definitely think the responses were a bit over-dramatic. She's "coming out of the closet," so to speak, and the way she's doing it is definitely bad manners, but when she comes to a crossdresser forum for what would hopefully be acceptance and advice she's immediately flamed. When she realized what she was doing she said "Opps" and switched her mind. Shouldn't that have been enough for the community, whom presumably she came to for support, to go "That's okay, we all make mistakes." and move on? Yet the argument keeeeeps on going. The internet is a fun place!

[Jodie_Lynn]

Except...

The OP left the discussion after the 4th or 5th response. No one "Flamed her" up to that point. It was merely pointed out that there are better ways to be seen.

And, like most threads on Interweb forums, it took on a life of its own. If one reads the responses, they are mostly back & forth between members OTHER than the OP.

Yes, the internet is a fun place. No, this isn't an argument, unless individuals giving their opinions is considered argumentative these days...

And WELCOME to the forums Exlecebra! May you enjoy your time here, learn some new things, and make lots of friends!

[Exlecebra]

Perhaps it was bad wording on my part, but I've never really been the type to let passive aggression slide. Say what you're saying, or say nothing. Regardless of when OP abandoned ship if she does come back to read what was here I think she'd find it very discouraging that so many people even within her own community are claiming she's a weird creepy pervert. It wasn't "merely pointed out," but don't take my word for it, I'll show you some examples.

"Just stop bullying hard working people so you can get your jollies."

"Does anyone else find these kind of posts disturbing ?"

"Kelly I have seen some disturbing /freaky posts as of late dealing with things like this not to mention some avatars that make me wonder if the person think this is a porn site. Honestly if you are going to be pervy please don't let us know.Ewwww."

"This is one of the weirdest threads I've seen posted in my 10 years here."

I only scrolled a quarter of the way through the second page for those. Is it really any great wonder that the OP didn't come back? Let's not pretend those statements aren't directed towards her, either. Arguments don't need to be heated, they just need to be people discussing opposing viewpoints. I'd say in that sense this thread contains an argument. Most threads on here probably do. Going back to my point about passive aggression, "unless individuals giving their opinions is considered argumentative these days..." is a very passive aggressive statement. Especially with the ellipses!

I obviously haven't been here *quite* long enough to figure out the whole forums dynamic yet, but there is a "clique" sort of feel to the way this conversation was going. My belief, regardless of how you feel about this specific OP, is that the people who come to a forum like this are looking for acceptance. Acceptance from people who've been where they are, or at the very least will accept what they're doing. If what they're doing isn't agreeable there is a better way to prevent it, and luckily many individuals here have displayed that so early on. The OP hadn't even realized what she might be doing. My bone to pick is with those whom posted, or have posts similar to the examples I displayed. It's an unusual elitism.

That all being said, thank you very much. Glad to be here. I'm confident everybody will hate me within 10 posts, I'm not good at keeping opinions to myself. o>

[Lorileah]

And even though I do not believe the OP had any inappropriate designs on the housekeeper, it still seems like bad manners to set up the scenario in this way.

It is called non-consensual involvement into your scene. And I agree t isn't a good idea

[Jodie_Lynn]

To Exlecebra: So, just because we share a common trait, we should all just clap our hands, and cheer everything that someone does?

You may call it "flaming" or passive-aggressiveness, but if someone does or says something that I disagree with, I WILL speak my mind.

Call it elitism if you wish, but a bad choice is a bad choice. It would be a disservice to NOT advise someone against a seemingly unwise decision.

And, on a personal note, I do not now, nor do I foresee myself in the future, hating you for your opinion. However, I must point out that I find you to be rather arrogant and aggressive yourself.

Namaste, and may the Goddess watch over you.

[Michelle123]

I must say I am surprised at the responses that the Op is getting regarding her post. many see it as (ambushing) the housekeeper, involving her in something she may not wish to be involved in. And I do tend to agree with this....BUT......On the other hand, there have been many, many posts here in the past, where someone wants to go to their doctors apppt. wearing female underwear, and these posts get more positive responses than negative. I don't get it. Isn't it basically the same thing? You are subjecting a person (who is just doing their job) to your particular lifestyle. And why? just to expose yourself to them as a cd? To (as many have said here) "get your jollies"?
I have expressed my opinion on this subject several times here. I don't agree with subjecting an unsuspecting person to your need to dress in feminine underclothes. And by that, I mean actually exposing yourself to them. But the Op in this particular post is catching so much flack for wanted to do the same thing, except it is a hotel housekeeper instead of a doctor. Seems to me that some here may be contradicting themselves.

[Kelly DeWinter]

... again I'll point to the OP who asked for "ideas and suggestions"

Going to the dr or out while underdressed for some is a normal part of their daily lives. I think thats more in line with how you live your lives.

Also lest keep this from getting personal between forum members , The moderators who do a great job here, WILL shut down a thread that meanders too far off topic, It's what keeps this from becoming a flame war.

.... but there is a "clique" sort of feel to the way this conversation was going. (In human nature every one picks a side, look at sports baseball,football,curling,quidditch. Even in cooking are you a fan of one of the great chefs Gordon Ramsy fan,Julia Child, Ronald McDonald. Sometimes you feel like you are overwhelmed by others , other times you are in the Majority)

.... is that the people who come to a forum like this are looking for acceptance. surly you don't mean that we all think and act alike ?
.... Acceptance from people who've been where they are, or at the very least will accept what they're doing. ( I've never waited in a room dressed for room service, although there have been times where I have waited in a room for my wife (wink wink , nod nod)

.... My bone to pick is with those whom posted, or have posts similar to the examples I displayed. It's an unusual elitism. (It's really just an opinion. Yes there is a whole spectrum from prude to anything goes as long as they don't catch me an put me in the loony bin. Again we all have our comfort zones. The TG community or at least a major portion seems to be moving away from the wild leather,whips and spandex Pride parades of the 80's to a sit down in a restaurant and conversation kind of fit in mentality)

I'm hoping the OP was able to have a good evening and that the reason for her absence is not related to what came next. Did room service bring steak or fish ? Red or White wine ? WE NEED ANSWERS !!!!!!!!!!!

[Exlecebra]

To Exlecebra: So, just because we share a common trait, we should all just clap our hands, and cheer everything that someone does?

You may call it "flaming" or passive-aggressiveness, but if someone does or says something that I disagree with, I WILL speak my mind.

Call it elitism if you wish, but a bad choice is a bad choice. It would be a disservice to NOT advise someone against a seemingly unwise decision.

And, on a personal note, I do not now, nor do I foresee myself in the future, hating you for your opinion. However, I must point out that I find you to be rather arrogant and aggressive yourself.

Namaste, and may the Goddess watch over you.

I already told you I agree with the point being said, I just said that some members in particular had some bad methods of going about disagreeing. Obviously you're free to have whichever opinion you desire, no skin off my back, but I think the very specific examples of posts I quoted do a disservice to this forum. You're doing a lot of straw-manning here so allow me to set forth my one very specific point and see if you agree or disagree on it. "Even when somebody does something we disagree with, we should give our criticism and advice in a constructive way." I'm not even saying you weren't doing this, honestly your original posts on the subject don't even come to mind so I'm sure you were fine. Lastly, as I said, I don't let passive aggression slide. You want to call me arrogant and then finish up with a "Namaste" to cover up the fact you just took a potshot. You know what you're doing. Like I said, say what you're saying or say nothing.


.... is that the people who come to a forum like this are looking for acceptance. [/COLOR]surly you don't mean that we all think and act alike ?
.... Acceptance from people who've been where they are, or at the very least will accept what they're doing. ( I've never waited in a room dressed for room service, although there have been times where I have waited in a room for my wife (wink wink , nod nod)

.... My bone to pick is with those whom posted, or have posts similar to the examples I displayed. It's an unusual elitism. (It's really just an opinion. Yes there is a whole spectrum from prude to anything goes as long as they don't catch me an put me in the loony bin. Again we all have our comfort zones. The TG community or at least a major portion seems to be moving away from the wild leather,whips and spandex Pride parades of the 80's to a sit down in a restaurant and conversation kind of fit in mentality)

Your first response doesn't even make sense. When did I say we should all think and act alike? Again, that's a straw-man. I'm saying people who come here wish to discuss their crossdressing and/or the crossdressing of others. Period. Obviously I meant that they will accept the OP is crossdressing. Perhaps some of you have forgotten that for many crossdressers who are closeted about it finding acceptance and people to discuss this with isn't easy. This forum is an outlet for people who desperately want to discuss this. You don't need to agree with everything said or done, but you're at least going to agree with the first hurdle that she was crossdressing to begin with. But fine, I didn't clarify so let's put that blame on myself.

If your only defense for negative behavior is that it's "human nature," allow me to disagree. Human nature is for us to run around stabbing people for bread. Let's try to ascend above our primate brains, shall we? That was not displayed just as an opinion, it was clearly meant to make the OP feel bad about it. Howbout instead of "Just stop bullying hard working people so you can get your jollies." she could have tried "I think this is a real bad idea and it puts the housekeeping into a very uncomfortable position."

As I've said many times now, I agree with the point she was presenting, but I think the harsh language and overtones of disgust are toxic. I also happen to believe that moving away from leather whips and chains is a positive change for the general populous to see TG as regular people instead of fetishists. So far I haven't actually disagreed on any of the points you've presented, I just think the way you're presenting them is harmful. That's it.

Just answer me this one question. Do you really think all of the examples I quoted earlier are entirely appropriate ways to help somebody do the right thing?

[Kelly DeWinter]

... I thought of a long reply, but there is only one reply to your question without continuing away from the OP thread.


NO !

[Tracii G]

Passive aggressiveness sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Another one of those terms that make no sense at all. Its been turned into a catch phrase.
When I hear those two words I think of the womens march and neon green hair, pussy hats and walking vaginas.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Tracii - So true most people really don't understand what passive aggressive behavior is. Here are some correct examples of passive aggressive behavior:

Jane: It's time to go, we really should get going now.
Passive Aggressive Ann: Oh...okay. I just...well okay, I GUESS we can leave now.
Jane: Ann, do you want to stay? Is that what you're trying to get at?
Passive Aggressive Ann: Huh? Oh no, we can leave if YOU want. I just didn't get to do everything I wanted to do yet, but no no, we can go I guess.
Jane: God dammit Ann! Fine, we'll stay, are you happy?
Passive Aggressive Ann: Oh okay! Yeah! That sounds great too!

(Ann got her way without having to openly ask for it)

[Katie Ann]

I understand the excitement of getting "caught", but this is not well advised. Just be yourself. Wear whatever you like. If someone compliments you, be gracious. If they are derisive, ask how it is any of their business.

[Jenna Stunned]

Omg, where does a girl goto get popcorn around here? I'm probably gonna get in trouble for this useless post, and I'm sorry to the mod that boots me, but Omg! This thread! Really?!?!? I'm pretty sure every angle sideways from Sunday has been anilised about getting walking in on by housekeeping, but still we flame on..... and the op has been absent from the start.... be still we flame on.... anyone get the point?? Someone wanted to get seen by housekeeping..... instead of going out...... and here we are 4 pages deep...... without a response from the op...... please someone find me some popcorn, this is vetter than jerry Springer. Again, I apologize to the mod that kicks this post, should I be outside the lines, but really feel that Someone has to draw attention to the overblown silliness of this thread before it gets nasty........

[Tracii G]

It does need to be tossed into the abyss.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Its actually been nice to hear the different views on what constitutes acceptable or unacceptable behavior. But I did find some popcorn ....
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