Caught in a traffic check !

[MsDyann]

Hello everyone, I was out for a drive last night and lucky me came up on a traffic check. My first thought was to turn around and get away, but figured real quick they would come after me. I took my ladies wallet out of my purse and waited my turn. When I pulled the officer asked for my license, as I handed it to him he glanced at me then looked at my license. Hesitated and handed them back and told me to have a good evening. I said in a hushed voice "thank you", I drove away without incedent. I was so afraid he would tell me to pull over to the side and search me and my car. But nothing more said or done. Thanks for reading.
Luv to all DyAnn

[Shely]

That would terrify me! You never know what kind of red neck might be behind the shield. is it okay for me to say "red neck" here? Granted most officers of the law are upstanding and honorable but some prejudices are still pretty common even this day and age. I am glad it went for you MsDyann. :doh:

[Tracii G]

Shely the police have seen it all and one more CDer isn't going to cause them to go off.LOLOL.They are trained in how to deal with TG people so don't worry.
Some of the most tolerant people I know are rednecks.

[Ressie]

Good thing you didn't try to flee. What exactly is a Redneck anyway? You can say it, but there are members here that consider themselves to be in that category :)

[LydiaL]

Ressie,

Rednecks chug the cheapest rot-gut beer... or savor the best (illegal) moonshine.

L

[Dashe360]

I'm a redneck/hillbilly and my greatest fear is the words (have you been drinking)

[Meghan4now]

Well, you made the right decision. Even if the officer was not trans friendly, they probably had bigger fish to fry. Checkpoints are pretty safe if you aren't dui.

[Nancy Sue]

Ms Dyann, I see your point. I also know the exhilaration of being able to dress, and go out, drive around, go through the drive through (done that yet?), stop for gas (done that?), and just be myself in the real world. And I also know the heart throbbing fear (tinged with a little bit more exhilaration) of getting pulled over by the police. AND I know the extreme pleasure in being carded - and then just told to go on my merry way, as if nothing is at all wrong.
Because, after all - nothing is wrong!
But if what we read and hear in the news is accurate - at least SOME of the people in North Carolina are very trans unfriendly.
Great story, and i admire you and celebrate your success.

[Dana44]

You made the best decisions. Most officers at a check point are okay and professional.

[Princess29]

I've had this happen too and the worst thing you could do is panic and do a sudden u-turn or anything like that. I don't drink so I had nothing to worry about in that regard and although I did get nervous, in the end it was a major non event. True, the police may have a laugh in private at the end of the day but so what?

[Laura912]

At least you found that our NC Highway Patrol can be quite nice.

[CarlaWestin]

I used the term 'red neck' around my mom one time and got blasted. She asked, "What do you got against farmers?"

[Kayliedaskope]

Rednecks .... Well, here's the way I feel about rednecks, considering I am one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFhZf0gMIH4

[JenniferMBlack]

Yeah he might even be a crossdressing redneck. Might have you pull over and trade him clothes. As a tow truck driver I have worked with the police. The ones poeple say are assholes are useally the coolest guys if you do what they ask and not get stupid. I have seen many go from calm to totally raging because poeple refuse to listen and not act stupid.

[Stephanie47]

You did the correct thing waiting for your turn to be checked. Turning around and trying to avoid the road check would have given the officer a reason to go further than checking to make sure your license was current and you did not smell of alcohol. One reason I never ever drink even one drink when out for a drive is the possibility of being pulled over for a burned out taillight and having alcohol on my breath. Do I really want to be asked to get out of my car and walk a straight line in heels or stocking feet? Most police officers are professional, but, frankly I have seen too many videos on television of police stops that went downhill.

[Karmen]

Police DUI checkpoints scare me too. I always drive dressed when going out and I pray I won't have to go out of the car if stopped. So far, I was only stopped twice by the police, but never while driving, always while walking on the street at night, but still a nerve wracking experience.

[~Joanne~]

what scares me is the fact that they have these "check points" inside the USA.

[vicky_cd99_2]

redneck here or what might be considered a redneck. When you see me in drab I usually have a camo hat and a Harley T-shirt or flannel, blue jeans and boots on. Underneath is a cute pair of panties and sometimes a camisole.

[Nikki A.]

If I'm in that situation, I would just follow directions and go on my way. I have been stopped (never dressed), be polite be truthful and all will go well.

[Jodie_Lynn]

what scares me is the fact that they have these "check points" inside the USA.

Why do you have an issue with sobriety check points?

[~Joanne~]

They are unconstitutional for one. These checks are done without warrants and "at will" which violates ones personal rights. You do have an undeniable right to "freedom of travel" which is being violate for the sake of monetary gains by whichever organization is conducting them. Also, Who is to say they are JUST checking for DUI's? It's easy to claim they are for one thing but then have an umbrella for many many other things.

Here's an example. Let's say CDing was against the law (some states may or may not have that on the books just for the record) MsDyann comes driving through, as shes dressed. The premise is that they are checking to see if she has been drinking but wait, she's not dressed properly according to the law and is handed a citation or even taken to jail for breaking a law. Now it's not a DUI check, it's a anything they want check and yes, I have a problem with that as you should too.

Don't get me wrong, drinking and driving is a HUGE no no for me. If your caught up in that drag net good but how many people are caught in that drag net that weren't drinking at all? It's a money making scheme the same as the cop hiding in the bushes waiting to hand you a ticket for speeding. whatever makes the money for them.

Yeah I have a problem with it.

[Jenny22]

In the last 6-7 years, I've been stopped or checked out by county sheriffs 4 times, always in some form of femininity. I've previously posted about them. The point is, I've been polite, so they have been, too. I thanked one for his understanding, and he smiled and said, not a problem.

[lingerieLiz]

Joanne, So you are a constitutional lawyer and won the case before the Supreme Court. Oh they already ruled. The Supreme Court ruling that held sobriety checks were legal was decided on June 14, 1990.

[Jodie_Lynn]

"sovereign"

[Tracy Irving]

They are unconstitutional for one. These checks are done without warrants and "at will" which violates ones personal rights.

The case was Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz. The Supreme Court decided that the needs of the state to prevent drunk-driving accidents outweighed the minimal intrusion on sober drivers. Therefore, DUI checkpoints did not constitute an unreasonable search and seizure.

If you disagree with their decision and enter a checkpoint, do not speak to the police or roll down your window (unless forced to). It is easier to defend in court. Hold up a flyer similar to the one below. When asked for your drivers license, registration and / or insurance, hold these papers up to the window as well. You will be following the law. There are videos online about this as well as websites with flyers for various states.

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You do have an undeniable right to "freedom of travel"

Agree. Never surrender a right for a privilege. You have a right to travel but driving is a privilege (and needs a license). So, always travel, never drive. Make sure to exercise your right to remain in common law jurisdiction should the need arise.

[JenniferMBlack]

Joanne You are correct in you have a right to travel and DIO check points are required to follow that. Meaning if they impede your right to travel for more then 15 minutes without jist cause the check point must cease operation to clear travel. If you have ever gone through one the first officers you see are the proposed stop point, meaning if cars are at that point or beyond they must allow traffic go through without stopping. Before you get all up in there was an accident and we sat for hours that is different they are not the ones stopping your travel, those involved in the accident are.

[Krisi]

.......... is it okay for me to say "red neck" here? .....................

No, it is not. At least in that context. You wouldn't use a derogatory term here for black people, Asian people or Hispanics, why would it be OK to use one for Southern white people?

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They are unconstitutional for one. These checks are done without warrants and "at will" which violates ones personal rights. ............

I can't prove it, but I'll bet that one has already been through the Supreme Court. Police have been doing this for years. You may believe DUI checkpoints are illegal, but the police and the courts don't really care what you believe.

[Robertacd]

what scares me is the fact that they have these "check points" inside the USA.

Local governments have figured out how big a cash cow DUI can be for them.

[Krisi]

The case was Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz. The Supreme Court decided that the needs of the state to prevent drunk-driving accidents outweighed the minimal intrusion on sober drivers. Therefore, DUI checkpoints did not constitute an unreasonable search and seizure.

If you disagree with their decision and enter a checkpoint, do not speak to the police or roll down your window (unless forced to). It is easier to defend in court. Hold up a flyer similar to the one below. When asked for your drivers license, registration and / or insurance, hold these papers up to the window as well. You will be following the law. There are videos online about this as well as websites with flyers for various states.

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Agree. Never surrender a right for a privilege. You have a right to travel but driving is a privilege (and needs a license). So, always travel, never drive. Make sure to exercise your right to remain in common law jurisdiction should the need arise.

Legal advice on an Internet forum is worth exactly what you pay for it. Before following the above "advice", I would consult a real attorney. Otherwise a simple "Thank you ma'am." could easily turn into a night at the county jail dressed as a woman.

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Local governments have figured out how big a cash cow DUI can be for them.

Drinking and driving is a big problem in society. If you had ever been seriously injured or a loved one injured or killed by a drunk driver, you would not feel that way. The money the government takes in from tickets is minor compared to the costs of drunk driving.

[Kayliedaskope]

....... is it okay for me to say "red neck" here? .....


No, it is not. At least in that context. You wouldn't use a derogatory term here for black people, Asian people or Hispanics, why would it be OK to use one for Southern white people?.

I beg to differ on that. You don't have to be Southern to be a redneck. I know plenty of people in Arizona and northern California who who classify as "redneck," and they have never been to the southern states. The "red necks" came from working outside much of the time, such as farmers or cowboys, or many other outside jobs. It's also mostly associated with "blue collar" workers, as well.

[BrendaPDX]

I was stopped by an officer, I handed my licence and proof of insurance to him, he took a double take and gave me a verbal warning. I was so nervous my hand couldn't stop shaking.

[~Joanne~]

Joanne, So you are a constitutional lawyer and won the case before the Supreme Court. Oh they already ruled. The Supreme Court ruling that held sobriety checks were legal was decided on June 14, 1990.

Firstly, You don't need to be a lawyer to know what your rights are or what the law states. When you are in front of a judge, one of the very first things they will tell you while trying to defend yourself is "ignorance of the law is no excuse". I have heard them state this many, MANY times in cases that I have observed first hand and even a couple of times to myself.

I decided they were right, ignorance is bliss and I stopped being bliss a long time ago. Now, when or if I get a ticket for ANYTHING, I look up the law, check similar cases, and triple check the actual wording of the law before I go into the courtroom. The internet can be more useful than just posting to forums and facebook.

The courtroom is the money machines brain, it's there to make as much as it can and does daily because we allow it to interpret the law as it sees fit. The supreme court is no better. They have been bought a long time ago and until we start doing terms like we do with presidents, the same people making the same bad decisions will always favor to their side to keep that money making machine well oiled. Greed is funny like that.



I can't prove it, but I'll bet that one has already been through the Supreme Court. Police have been doing this for years. You may believe DUI checkpoints are illegal, but the police and the courts don't really care what you believe.

That is absolutely true. They don't care. never have, never will. Protect and serve now means, protect our money, serve many tickets to keep it flowing. The supreme court have made many judgements well beyond the DUI checks that were based upon their interpretation of what the law says, not by the actual wording of the law itself. It's a very crooked system, like going to a casino.




Agree. Never surrender a right for a privilege. You have a right to travel but driving is a privilege (and needs a license). So, always travel, never drive. Make sure to exercise your right to remain in common law jurisdiction should the need arise.

Uniform commercial code 102-7. In a nut shell it states that your not giving up your freedom of travel for a state sponsored privilege. It's tricky and takes a lot of work to actually use this in a court of law but it can be done, i know, I have. I actually had it stated on my license for years but now they won't issue you one if you put it on there.

it's funny because some people will support these checks because they know how horrible drinking and driving is, the same people which will allow them to strip them of their rights because they will say "it's to protect the children" (which they use all the time if your paying attention). Like I stated above, I believe they can do some good, drunk drivers have no business behind the wheel and i support throwing them all in jail.

My problem lies with all the obscure laws, ones that can be enforced without ever presenting them to society before enforcing them that they also take advantage of at these check points to make their "quotas". It's too wide of a drag net and i am positive that people are getting busted for things that have absolutely nothing to do with drinking and driving.

A good example of how wide laws are: While cross dressing isn't illegal in any state (that I could find) indecent exposure is and is very common, so a cop at one of these check points COULD arrest you for that just solely based on his own bigotry. They could also arrest you under the "mask" law, which is very old but still on the books in all states which they could clump CDing under if they so chose.

[Kayliedaskope]

Joanne, check the "Dumb Laws" thread. It's illegal to cross dress in Ironton, Ohio.

https://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?252669-Dumb-law-(does-this-actually-exist)

Not that I think a lot of police officers are paying much attention to that particular law, but it IS still on the books.

[Alice B]

Had that happen to me once. The first question I was asked was "have you been drinking". I replied "not yet". The officer said have a good evening and do not drink and drive and I was on my way. Never asked for my ID and showwed no response to my presenting as a female.

[Cherylgyno]

Dyann. Cross dressers are a part of training not only for cops but many other occupations. You did the right thing by not panicking. Had you panicked and fled the Cops would have caught you and charged you with eluding (wording varies by state and jurisdiction).

[Tracy Irving]

Legal advice on an Internet forum is worth exactly what you pay for it. Before following the above "advice", I would consult a real attorney.

Thanks Krisi, that is good advice. I would always exercise due diligence if someone offered me free "advice".

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[Jodie_Lynn]

Well, if Honest Abe says it, it must be true!

>snicker< :devil:

[ambigendrous]

...They could also arrest you under the "mask" law, which is very old but still on the books in all states which they could clump CDing under if they so chose.

Case in point: I read recently where deputies somewhere were harrassing motorcycle riders who were wearing full-face helmets because the visors were hiding the riders' faces. The legislators (don't recall if it was city, county, or state - sorry!) had to amend the "wearing a mask" law to fix the issue.

[CrossKimmy]

There could have been a Too Wong Foo moment there! Yikes!