SO and sex (as a woman) *straight male CD only please*

[Kas]

***Looking for Straight Male CDer responses only***

Edit: Title should say Straight. Not Cis.

Hi girls,

I am wondering if anybody has been lucky enough to experience/experiment with their SO in a sexual way while dressed, being in the women's (passive) role.

If so, I would like to know how you got the ball rolling. Was it something you partner was already interested in trying/experimenting with? Did you have to beg/plead? Did it just 'happen'? And If not, Is this something that you've fantasised about? Would you ever be open to trying it?

For those that have, did this make you question your sexuality at all being in a passive position? Do you have sex as the "man" AND the "woman" (maybe taking turns for example) or do you only have sex as the "woman"?

[rachel_rachel]

I only wear women's clothing to bed (7 years) so as far as I'm concerned, in bed I'm the female.

[Kas]

Yes, but do you take the passive position during sex? Do you ever act as the "man"? I'm sorry. Your answer was quite vague.

[XemmaX]

yeah i have "been the female" ha ha..i dont really know how i got the ball rolling, i sort of just happened i am in a long termish relationship and we experiment abit..liking a cheeky role reversal from your girlfriend is not the same as being having the desire to be taken by a man, personally it did not open the flood gates of bisexuality.

[Krisi]

There were a few times when I was dressed and had sex with her as another woman (lesbian sex) but as it progressed, I took off my bottom clothes and we had "normal" sex but with my top half still as a woman (boobs, wig, etc.) Lately, she is not interested in that and her first command is "Take your boobs off."

[nikkim83]

Umm yes.

Did i question anything after nope. It just sort of evolved from play to its what she prefers. Coincidentally I do too.

[Kas]

It's good to hear everyone's stories. Me and my partner tried it for the first time the other week. I don't like to admit it, but if I could I would probably choose to do it every time and it has definitely made me a little bi-curious. The funny thing is i haven't even done it dressed yet. My partner told me that she wants to do it while I'm dressed and I am worried I am going to like it a bit too much. I am also worried I will start to find it hard to get the same thing from regular sex.

[Joni T]

There were a few times when I was dressed and had sex with her as another woman (lesbian sex) but as it progressed, I took off my bottom clothes and we had "normal" sex but with my top half still as a woman (boobs, wig, etc.) Lately, she is not interested in that and her first command is "Take your boobs off."
Had a similar situation with my ex. She didn't like it. Said she felt like she was having lesbian sex. Never tried it again.
Jon

[Jennifer in CO]

when your tied to the bed she's gonna be on top no matter what....

[Fiona123]

Straight male transgender woman here. I have not had the experience you describe. Would I want to try? Absolutely.

[Micki_Finn]

I’ll say yes, I’ve had sex while dressed. Because I’m a lady, no further details will be revealed.

[Joyce Swindell]

My wife enjoys what she calls "lesbian love" or she might say something like how about a little lesbian love?? That's pretty much how it goes for us. So when I'm in the mood and dressed then I may give the same responses....basically.

[Dana44]

I have had sex dressed as a woman. It was nice is all I can say.

[jennifer0918]

No not yet and yes I do fantasize about it though

[leannejacobs]

Yes I've had sex and experienced oral with my wife many times while dressed as a woman, I cant say I took the role of the woman, it was pretty much turn about, I am comfortable with my sexuality, I am 100% heterosexual, I let my wife erm,,,, do me lol sorry keeping it clean, please excuse me, it was very enjoyable but certainly not something I'd like to experience or experiment with' with a man, I have no desire to get involved with a man what so ever.
How did it happen, well I dress regularly with my wife and where there is alcohol involved it's easy, it just happens, any insecurities you or she has just vanish.

I hope I wasn't too graphic, it was necessary to paint a picture of my experience to answer the question.

[Hannahhot]

I have definitely been dominated in bed before by my wife. One day...when I work up the courage, I want to try to wear something feminine while we enjoy each other... Just haven't gotten there yet. I have fantasies. But, in the end, they are all with my wife. Love her too much. :)

[Shely]

I dress completely for sex, everything including high heels. It started out with just panties and progressed till i wear it all except jewelry and wig. I am hoping to complete that part that someday. There are some really sexy dresses out there. It's a real thrill for me I get excited while i dress. My SO seems to be okay with it, we never had better sex than we do now, (I think).:thumbsup:

[Maria 60]

Well for my wife she will take it anyway she could get it, prefers me in male mode but if there's opportunity and I'm dressed it's usually ok. She will usually ask me to remove the wig, but I believe she loves the smoothness of the pantyhose rubbing.
I don't know how much I could explain without getting this removed but for me better then the sex is when we are sitting on the couch and we start to touch each other. She will subconscious feel my legs and then she may start putting her hand under my skirt and run her hands across or cup a boob. That's when I feel so feminine and it drives me crazy, almost like she's also portraying me as a women. What a feeling.
So pretty much for my wife it really doesn't bother her that I'm dressed and will add the sex is alittle more intense when I'm dressed, but pretty much it's the same in male or female mode. I hope I helped you with your question alittle.

[LaurenS]

I don't like to admit it, but if I could I would probably choose to do it every time and it has definitely made me a little bi-curious...
I am also worried I will start to find it hard to get the same thing from regular sex.

That was how it turned out for me. I’m sure others mileage varies.

[Kas]

Because I’m a lady, no further details will be revealed.

I like your style, Micki!

[BrendaPDX]

Not yet, still in the DADT phase:sad:

[Pat]

I don't know how much I could explain without getting this removed...

I know that some posts here have already been edited for content. My understanding is that this forum is a public forum, which means anyone can read it even if they're not registered with the site. That would include kids. Please (everyone) keep in mind how open this particular forum is.

[Patrica Gil]

Yes, I am the girl in the relationship. Quite frankly we both prefer it that way. So let's just say it works for us both. Many mornings its my heels that are heard in the kitchen while I prepare breakfast.

[Stephanie47]

Decades ago when we were first married we incorporated nightgowns and hosiery (stockings and garter belts) into our bedroom play. She was ok with that until my interests started to progress. When it went past "fetish play" to cross dressing she did a total reversal and nightgowns and hosiery were out. The difference was the perception it was now "lesbian" sex total shut her down on the idea.

[Teresa]

Kas,
I have to go a few years but I had two GFs who were perfectly OK with being dressed and sex, the bottom line is they knew how it affected my drive and they got more than they wanted ! A win -win situation !

My first GF liked me wearing her panties, the other found me wearing her baby doll nightie , it was like lighting the blue touch paper she just loved the sharing of clothes especially underwear .

My wife just didn't relate to it so I slept in her nighties in the day while working night shifts and she was at work .

The clothes didn't change the sexual arrangement but moved my performance up a gear , my work mates teased me that only went to work for a rest !!

[Leelou]

Hi Kas, I'm also a straight crossdresser and have no desire to be with men. I've been out as a CD to a few different women and have been fortunate enough to dress in bed with all of them. They were all accepting, and one of them was especially into it.

I think that once you've lowered your defenses enough to come out as crossdresser to a woman, it's just a natural progression to take it into the bedroom. It's really just getting to know what they're comfortable with, then enjoy!

[Susan Smokes]

Yes, I have played the female passive role while dressed, and I enjoyed it very much. it was something we were both interested in trying, so we turned the fantasy into a real life role play experience. I have questioned my sexuality since I became a crossdresser, but for now I still consider myself a straight male crossdresser.

[Trione]

My late wife liked to switch roles at times. I have had sex dressed as a woman and being the woman. Have enjoyed everything that we tried.

[sometimes_miss]

I would like to know how you got the ball rolling.
Never had an SO who was into it, so I can only describe my experience with a 'professional'. I just asked how much extra it would cost. I was happy with the answer: "Hey, whatever floats you boat, It's your dime!"

[Robin777]

I like to dress in bed with my wife. I have been doing this for many,many years. I like wearing sexy lingerie with a bra and forms. Years ago it would mostly stay on,now it mostly comes off after a while. My wife has gotten into it over the years and enjoys it as much as I do.

[terza]

it was hard for me digest, when my ex-wife told me of her window shopping for toys. it is harder than one would think to assume the role, and i can only speak for myself. i can only think that has something to do w/ my intellectual macho'ism in my career --though jill was no less w/ a doctorate.

[Kas]

My partner asked me if I would be interested in letting her use a toy on me a couple years before she even knew about my dressing. At the time I said no way (even though I secretly did) because I still hasn't fully accepted myself, but since the cats now out of the bag, I don't feel weird about it at all.

[terza]

i takes a bit to digest when actual bodies are involve. you may think you're ready, but hard to give up complete control.

saaaafe woooord.... isn't enough. i haven't found out.

[ShaunaTossaint]

Hello Kas and Everyone else.

The first time is still one of my most memorable times when she took my “virginity”. I first called her at work to find out if she is in the mood to meet her girlfriend when she got home. I got so excited when she said yes. I placed her new appendage so she would see it as she came in the front door. She had never seen one before in person. I got dressed in my sexiest lingerie, stockings, garters, lace bra and heels and waited in bed for her to come home from work.

I heard her come in and I’m sure I also heard her gasp when she saw it and another gasp when she saw me. I pretended to be asleep in a sexy pose on the bed that was sure to turn on any person who saw me, as I listened to her freshen up. I heard her re-enter the bedroom, I hoped with her new appendage in hand. I must say she did not disappoint, even while having to hold it, and it was the first time I felt truly dominated and taken to the point of me being at her mercy on the receiving end of you know what. Needless to say, after that, I made a homemade harness for her.

Even after all these years I am still not attracted to men in any way only GG’s, CD’s and trans women. I hope my description is not too much for the chat.

[Maria_mtf]

Decades ago when we were first married we incorporated nightgowns and hosiery (stockings and garter belts) into our bedroom play. She was ok with that until my interests started to progress. When it went past "fetish play" to cross dressing she did a total reversal and nightgowns and hosiery were out. The difference was the perception it was now "lesbian" sex total shut her down on the idea.

Same story for me except also included panties, hose and bra. Did it once in a dress, was great. She too doesnt like to feel like a lesibian so now its naked only. She also likes to be the submisive one, so do I but I rarely get the chance to be.

[Rayleen]

Had oral sex by my so while dressed, it was an exciting event but it was out of the blue and never tried it again.

[Aunty_Hazel]

I had sex with an ex when we were both in lingerie, and with her taking the male role.
It was the high point in a brief and otherwise disastrous relationship.

A word to the wise: If the new love of your life has all her possessions packed in bags marked "HM Prison" when she moves in, that might just be a hint that there could be trouble ahead...

[Lacey New]

It is a fantasy of mine to make love to a woman (my SO) while dressed as a woman and to behave as a pair of lesbians but that is as close as it has ever come - fantasy only

[deebra]

Kas commenting on you being bi curious there was a post on here where a CD while getting a haircut received an invitation from the barber to come over that night "dressed". The CD said getting dressed was exciting like going on a first date knowing what was ahead, the drive over dressed as a woman was validating, performing as a woman while wearing bra and panties made her/cd feel as much like a woman as you can get. She summed it up by saying very very nice evening.

If you would like to experiment further would a "strap on" for her help or hurt where this is going? There was also another post where the CD's mate wore a "strap-on" for her/cd and he returned the favor by doing something to her she really liked and enjoyed.

[Kas]

If you would like to experiment further would a "strap on" for her help or hurt where this is going? There was also another post where the CD's mate wore a "strap-on" for her/cd and he returned the favor by doing something to her she really liked and enjoyed.

Hi deebra,

I don't quite understand your question, but I think using one doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the persons sexual orientation. Cis guys can also enjoy this kind of thing. I think if both parties are interested there's no harm done and it doesn't mean you are bi or gay.

[Amanda Katharine]

Wife and I do this all the time. There is no male role for us because we look at it as two women having sex and she typically will call me Amanda in bed. I think my wife has a thing for girls but doesn’t want to really admit to it but she has told me that she’s happy she has a husband who embraces feminine roles and that seeing me dressed does turn her on. We’ve had times where we’d be in vanilla mode as she calls it and she’ll stop and tell me to put hose and heels on. That seems to be her big turn on as she’s told me she loves seeing me in hose, heels and pearls because she thinks a pearl necklace is sexy and classy.

[Rowan Ailbhe]

R. and I switch..and it is sort of new to me. She is bi and vey experienced and does things that curl my toes....we are part of a very sexually liberal crowd so the unusual seems less so to us.
I have always been mostly dominant....but I am finding that I like to take the ladies role in a big way.

[Leann_M]

when your tied to the bed she's gonna be on top no matter what....

LOL this is very true.

She has her toy and I have mine. She has used mine on me several times but never while dressed.

[wendy]

We've only done it a small handful of times; main purpose was to conceive.

One of the times I was wearing a swimsuit; another time was a black bra/cami.

[broadshoulderedbroad]

i considered myself straight as an arrow until recently, so i can talk about my experience as a straight male. i consider myself heteroflexible now, meaning i am only interested in emotional relationships with women (well, one woman, my wife), but an open to play with men (well, one particular man). something i think is helpful in thinking about the answer to your question is to separate the actual act of submissive bottom play with dressing.

before i ever had any thoughts of playing with a man, even before i was first with a girl/woman, i was into bottoming i suppose you could say. i started experimenting on my own around 11 or 12yo. it did not have anything to do with an attraction to boys/men. it was simply pleasurable. i had started to wear mom's pantyhose long before that, and that had nothing to do with my gender id. it also just felt good to wear those tight, silky hose. it never occurred to me to do both at the same time, at least not until later, probably because the pantyhose would have gotten in the way!

a few open minded women in college made me feel ok about bottom play. they feminized me and dominated/topped me together, and that kicked off a few years of closet dressing and self-play. it was 100% their plan. i had no inkling that that was the way things were going to progress. at the time, i don't recall ever having (much of) an issue with it during or after. of course it felt somewhat weird in the moment at first, but in a good, titillating way. as a matter of fact, i was somewhat relieved because it took a lot of the shame and guilt away from that kind of solo play and made it "more ok" for me, if that makes any sense. it wouldn't be until recent happenings with my wife that it would become "fully ok" for me.

part of it being "ok" is just age and maturity. i'm much more comfortable in my own skin (in a general sense) than i was, say, 5 years ago. a lot of it has to do with reaching a certain point of mastery in my profession, resolving old family conflicts, and having an awesome marriage. i have nothing to prove anymore and nothing hide. you also get a little thick skinned after having a kid, at least that was the experience my wife and i had in the past few years.

since i have started to dress earlier this year with the help and encouragement of my wife, we have only slept together with roles reversed! i actually cannot remember the last time we did things "normally." we had a pretty good traditional sex life prior to that, so it wasn't a substitute for boring sex or a solution to impotence. is it a permanent thing? probably not, but it's still new and fresh and fun for us so that's what we do these days! about 6 years ago when i first introduced HER to bottom play, she got so into it (as did i, of course) that that's all we did for almost a full year! eventually we will move on but i'm sure pegging and dressing will always be part of our in-bed repertoire.

i did have one date with wife's former male playmate during which we had some light play before all this started with my wife, but i'm fairly certain that she would've been ok with dressing or bottoming even if that date never took place. that date was simply the conversation starter that put the ideas of dressing and role reversal in our heads. up until that point i was very dominant in and out of bed, she was very submissive. it is interesting to note that she has become more assertive in her everyday life after starting to top me, which is nice to see.

i think just talking about bottom play is the best approach if you have a relatively open-minded wife with whom you have good communication. it also helps if she's into bottom play too, as she can relate to the pleasure any human can experience in that way. many feel that cis men actually feel more pleasure than cis women because we have a prostate. we talked about it kind of tongue-in-cheek at first, so she was a little surprised when i ordered a (spareparts joque) harness and revealed it to her one night. with it dangling in one hand, thoughts racing through her head, she asked me with a serious look, "are you sure you want to go down this road?" as quickly as i could say yes, she was strapped in and ready to go! i'll tell you what: seeing my petite wife with a large member immediately commanded my respect and submission. it was so hot! what an experience

bottom play has never made me question my sexual orientation, not when i was a kid (or adult) doing it alone, not when i did it with young women in college, not when i do it with my wife, and (very recently) not when i gave it up to a man. it really is just about the pleasure for me. i don't think i'll ever "become gay/bi" as i'm hopelessly in love with my wife and have always chased women. despite living in san francisco and even working in the castro, i have never been emotionally or even physically attracted to men. after sex, my bf and i talk about parenting, wives with PMS, tools, home renovations, building drones, hunting, other general straight guy topics laying in bed. aside from the sex, it's a normal straight guy bromance lol

my point is that if you're honest with yourself and pretty sure you are straight, bottoming for your wife (or even a man) isn't going to change that. if you do happen to be latently gay/bi, then getting in touch with that repressed part of you isn't necessarily a bad thing. in my experience, however, it's not going to make you gay. i just happen to be very open-minded about how i receive pleasure, so i include a man in the mix.

[Krisi]

................ but hard to give up complete control..

I don't normally think of either party having "complete control". I will say that in the past, I have enjoyed being "on the bottom" but I had no thoughts of being a woman at the time, it was just a different way of doing it. Unfortunately, my wife has knee and back problems now and that is pretty much a thing of the past.

[Karen RHT]

My wife and I are both totally straight. She's made her thoughts on this subject very clear...don't even think about it, let alone approach me in a sexual way while you're wearing women's clothes.


Karen

[Rowan Ailbhe]

Broadshoulderedbroad...that is awesome!

[Laura28]

Yes my wife and I have played many times with me dressed but only in bra panties nylons heels. She loves to top and I love to bottom. It started with me talking about and we watched some videos and she thought it was. She also enjoys watch gay porn male male. Finds it hot so her strapping it on was a natural. She enjoys it and so do I. She is aware I dress and is fine with but her limit is she doesn’t want to see me in a wig in person pictures no issue. Yes it also peaked my curiosity as I wondered what a real one would feel like and she would always say it is so much better. So I tried it and it was fantastic.

[ChubbyLeahCD]

I had a gf who loved that and when I was dressed none of my body parts had male body parts names.
It was amazing and because of all that I came to terms that I’m bi but back then I was sure I was straight

[Beauty Parlor Bev]

It's good to hear everyone's stories. Me and my partner tried it for the first time the other week. I don't like to admit it, but if I could I would probably choose to do it every time and it has definitely made me a little bi-curious. The funny thing is i haven't even done it dressed yet. My partner told me that she wants to do it while I'm dressed and I am worried I am going to like it a bit too much. I am also worried I will start to find it hard to get the same thing from regular sex.

At least some of the people (OP is) on this thread are honest with themselves, others not so much. Another of the 80% is having doubts........

[Becky Blue]

One can only dream.... its probably my number 1 fantasy... not going to happen sighhhhh

[Kiwi Primrose]

I have worn feminine nighties for all our married life and we have had a long and happy sensual relationship including role reversal on many occasions.

[Chancey289]

With my ex girlfriend, we use to occassionally have sex with me dressed. She was bi so she was really turned on that her boyfriend could also be a girlfriend at times. And generally when dressed I found out I was a lot more submissive. I'm a switch already, but dressed is strictly submissive. It was rather fun while it lasted. We were both pretty avid kinksters.

Nowadays I haven't traditionally dated in years. I've been sticking to more casual hook ups with trusted playmates or Friends with benefits. Some of these are also kinksters so my crossdressing can sometimes still come in play in the bedroom. And since my last relationship, my sexuality has definitely shifted. I know I'm not completely straight anymore. Not confident enough to say bi as I'm generally still mostly attracted to feminine beauty and have only ever been with girls, but this stuff has become more like water than cement over the past couple years.

At this point, I'm kinda like Eff labels because I can probably be in the mood for various things if I ever stumbled across the proper context, so I just say I like what I like. That should suffice.

[Isabella Ross]

The short answer is yes. Usually the prelude is a very romantic evening shared by two girls. Not sure why, but my SO really enjoys it. I thank my lucky stars! Details by PM only...please feel free.

[ThiHi]

I’m often in stockings in bed. Sometimes garters too. She’s ok with that, and sometimes loves it. I’m pretty submissive, after a long time ofvpretending otherwise. Trying to figure out how to describe this on a publicly available forum. I’m male, but she is in control of everything. We like it that way.

[DIANEF]

One can only dream.... its probably my number 1 fantasy... not going to happen sighhhhh

My wife is far too conservative to even entertain the idea unfortunately so yes, never going to happen.

[Alice_2014_B]

I've never had sex whilst dressed up. For some reason it doesn't really enthuse me or the wife.

I've had sex numerous times in high heels though.

I do have a friend, however, who has seen me fully dressed up in person, she said she would "take me home".

:)

[Marianne S]

Yes, I've done this with my wife a number of times. Interestingly, she once told me she thought our daughter was "Marianne's baby"! That's a nice memory!

I'm the one who suggested doing it, but luckly my wife was receptive. I didn't have to "beg" or "plead." I doubt that I would have done anyway, because if a sexual activity isn't congenial to both partners it's only likely to spoil the relationship. Nearly always though I had sex as "the man." When we did otherwise, it didn't cause me to "question" my sexuality because I already had a pretty good understanding of that.

Anyway what aspect of sexuality are we talking about? If we're talking about "sexual preference," I'd always known I wasn't "gay"--that's to say, androphilic--so there was nothing there to question. As I've said on another thread, I'm one of those who has fantasized about sex with a man as Marianne, but that for myself is not a matter of "sexual preference" but of differing coital roles, gender-related, which I was aware of anyway and which is precisely what I was exploring with my wife. I believe this is a distinction that doesn't get enough recognition, which is why I've made a point of highlighting it here.

Some wives might be reassured about their crossdressing husbands if they understood that distinction too. Many wives might not want to play a "male role" in sex, and if they don't, that's understandable as a matter of taste. But it's got to be more worrying if a wife fears her husband might in fact be gay, which is so often a needless fear with many of us CDers.

I haven't read the rest of the posts on this thread yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing others' experiences in this realm. I'm glad you asked the question, Kas.

[Judy-Somthing]

One Halloween my wife dressed as a man and I dressed as a girl.
When we got home I tried to seduce her and got nowhere, she said it was a big turn off. I think I ended up slipping on the coach!

[Robin-in-TX]

Well, yes and no. I wear panties 24/7 but that is it in front of her. So, when we are intimate, I am often in them and have just pulled them to the side on occasion rather than take them off; the same is true of her. I would not call her dominant in any way and she never takes charge. It is not her style.

[Sandra]

Ok just a couple of thing here.

Firstly. I have had to edit quite a few post because they are against the rules. If your not familiar with the rules then I suggest that you read them here

https://www.crossdressers.com/forums/faq.php?faq=main_rules#faq_content

Secondly. The mods do decide what is TMI not the members, don't start having a go at the mods because it won't work.

Keep it clean and within the rules, any more editing and the thread will be closed.

[Steph_CD_62]

A tale of two different wives, my ex-wife compared to my current wife.

I won't go into a lot of detail....... just a summary

My ex-wife really enjoyed it when I would dress up when we had sex. I would dress myself, usually as a maid, and we had wonderful sessions of making love. She would treat me like a woman until we got to intercourse then it was just a man making love to his wife. We had sex at least once a month while I was dressed.

My current wife is completely different. In the 15+ years we have been together we have only done 3 maybe 4 times. First time is when we were dating, I dressed up in my lingerie and got into bed and waited for her to get off of work. Since the kids were in school I knew we would not be interrupted. She did it to make me happy, but she wasn't into it and I didn't really enjoy it. The next time or two was the same result. I figured I would ask her to dress me and maybe that would help. She got me all dressed up and she seemed to be enjoying it by teasing me while she was putting things on me. But after she had me all dressed up her mood changed. I asked what was wrong and she said I looked better than she does. I tried to tell her that wasn't true, but the mood was ruined. A couple hours later we made love again, but like the other times she was not into it all.

I wish my current wife would enjoy me being all dressed up while we made love, but right now it is just a fantasy.

[Sandra]

Ok due to some members ignoring my post and moaning about the rules and decisions I made, this thread is now closed.

I think those who did the complaining and having a go need to pm the OP with an apology for getting the thread closed.

[Tamara Croft]

I know Sandra locked this thread, but I feel the need to say something about the bullshit going on lately.

We run a nice forum, FREE forum (which we pay for btw)... and just lately, more and more seasonal trouble makers seem to be intent on pissing off the staff and trolling threads. Well, let's put it this way, you need to knock it off, because the next person that pisses me off (and a lot of you know not to bloody piss me off), is going to get my size 5'z firmly planted up their butts on the way out... out the door, adios, banned... cya... ffs...

If you don't like something you can't do on this board, feel free to bugger off and create your own forum and pay for it. You aren't going to keep coming in with your dirty shoes and wiping them all over my clean carpet.... I'm not having it!!

Capiche? Comprende? ARE YOU LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING ME NOW???

I will apologise to the OP for your behaviour (I'm from the UK so that's the correct spelling before you try and have a go about that!) in this thread, because it's disgusting and you should be ashamed.... and you made me swear, which is not good...

KNOCK IT OFF!!!