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Kendra Nicole
03-12-2006, 06:31 PM
Here is an interesting article written by a non-op transgender.There is one thing that she seems to imply that I disagree with.That is that all Transexuals are forced by society to have SRS.That may be true for those Post-op TS that are very unhappy and wish they never would have done it.But what about all those who are the happiest they have ever been,and remain that way with no regrets of getting rid of their male parts or female parts for the FtoM? These people truely are the other sex regardless of society influence.Otherwise its a good article.What`s everyone else think?


The Berdache Spirit
by Wendy Susan Parker

In 1530, The Spanish explorer Cabeza de Vaca wrote in his diary of seeing "soft" native Indian males in Florida tribes dressing and working as women. Later, numerous reports by 17th century Spanish Conquistadors in the southwest, and 15th century writings by Catholic missionaries, French fur traders and British Colonists in the northwest confirmed the same phenomenon in other tribes. Cultural anthropologists later documented this "third gender" status in at least 120 other North American tribes and in numerous other cultures around the world.

They were named by Europeans as berdache" from the Persian "bardaj," originally a derogatory term meaning a passive homosexual partner usually a "pretty" or feminine young boy. Yet, Indian berdache are very different from the European view of "berdaj" as "sodomite heretics" as written about by the Crusaders invading Persia in the Middle Ages.

Instead, native cultures seem to embrace the notion of an opposite gender identity, different from one's anatomical sex WITHOUT any implied sexual preference. They were viewed by native tribes as having an almost Sacred" status for the most part. Indian spiritual philosophy not only accepts a "third gender" status, but almost encourages it. With few exceptions by some of the more warlike tribes like the Apache and Comanche, the berdache are found to comfortably coexist in almost every single North American tribe, especially in the midwest, great plains and the southwest.

Unlike European Americans, gender or sexual divergence did not threaten the Indians. Berdache males in particular often became healers, surgeons, counselors, therapists, high religious priests, shamans, witch doctors and medicine men. They were regarded as a kind of "holy men." Berdache males could also become one of the multiple wives of Indian braves and, in rare cases, of genetic females who became "men" by proving themselves as warriors. The term berdache" is, of course, a generic one, as they were called by different -terms depending on the tribe. They were "winktes" in the Lakota Sioux, "Nadle" in Navaho tribes, "Shamans" in the Mojave and "Mahu" in the Polynesian culture of Tahiti.

Since the berdache could mix characteristics of both genders, they were viewed as having a special status as if "blessed" by the gods. They were thought to be the "middle gender," and seen as prophets and visionaries having an almost mystic and psychic vision into the future. They were often consulted by tribal elders and chieftains because they were thought to have a kind of "universal knowledge" and special connection to the "great spirit."

It is extremely interesting to note that the concept of a "transsexual" is a Western one based on the notion that there are two "opposite" sexes with distinct, culturally "Approved" gender characteristics. Western philosophy seems much narrower in this respect than Eastern philosophies as it allows only for strict stereotypes. Setting up a rigid dichotomy of paired opposites allows little tolerance for cultural and social variances of what is perceived to be masculine or feminine. With these narrow constrictions on all behavior, it is little wonder that we live in such a neurotic and violent society. With little room to express the total spectrum of human emotion from nurturing to assertive behavior, people have to hide or ignore some of the basic emotional outlets ascribed to one gender or the other. Only recently do we see a social acceptance of men "in touch" with their feminine side, or assertive women who, as the book says, "...run with the wolves."

Because of these polar stereotypes, people who are merely dissatisfied with their GENDER ROLE feel they have only ONE alternative: to anatomically become the other sex through surgery. Since this was impossible before the surgical techniques and synthesized hormones of the 20th century, Native American Indians allowed for more gender role flexibility without the social stigma of our modern culture. In our myopic modern society, restrictive western social values see only two diametrically opposed possibilities, yin OR yang, rather than the unifying combination of both in an androgynous mix.

A "culture" is really just an accumulation of social and historical "habits" through a repetition of tradition. The notion of feminine behavior and "being a woman" is a SOCIAL entity, not a biological one. (Sorry Mr. Freud, anatomy is NOT destiny.)

In comparison with Native Indian berdache, it is arguable that many transsexuals of today become "post-op" only because of the pressure of a Polarized" western society of EXTREMES. (In Buddhism and other Eastern philosophies, one is encouraged to seek the "middle path.")

In modern times, one is forced to choose only one role or the other with NO allowances for variations along an infinitely divisible gender spectrum. Even more confining in modern America is the view that calls for even MORE extreme role models. I call this the Rambo/Bimbo syndrome. You are either Sylvester Stallone, Marilyn Monroe, or a disappointment." In a metaphysical sense, the modern post-op TS could be seen as perpetuating gender role stereotypes and thus limiting the social wardrobe and habits restricting both males AND females.

Sex and sexuality seem to be a biological constant. However, gender identity should not be drafted by laws and defined by society's rules! The Indians of North America constructed a beautiful option of alternative gender possibilities WITHOUT stigma. As part of their "vision quest" to search for higher truths, they allowed a kind of personal freedom which we don't ever enjoy today. We are not given the personal-life choices that were readily available in what we arrogantly call Primitive cultures.

By allowing the flexibility of lifestyle variations, the Indians liberated themselves in a spiritual sense in a way we could learn from today. The emphasis among the Indians was more towards social role choices and expectations than focusing on sexual behavior. Our culture today in America has an obsession with homophobia that is both unhealthy and, ultimately, self destructive.

A study of Indian berdache culture could teach us all a way to break out of the narrow-minded Western model of "deviance" and allow us to appreciate the beautiful diversity of the human population in our species of humankind wherever they may fall along the spectrum of the beautiful gender rainbow

Maria D
03-12-2006, 07:35 PM
In terms of the implication of SRS, everyone who has mentioned it to me has said 'when are you having the op?', not 'are you having the op?' Even my boss at work, possibly trying to prove he was fine with it, asked when.
So if not forcing, I think there's an expectation that it's what you want.
It's hard enough to understand someone wanting to swap genders, it seems to be much harder to understand someone 'only going half way'.

I don't think a study of other cultures will help since our society, but that's because I'm cynical. The big religions in our society consider TG behavior morally wrong, and it's really hard to argue with morals. Any study of other cultures could easily be rejected out of hand, as other cultures have been throughout history, as a study of barbarian savages doing things 'morally wrong'.
You can argue with logic, you can't argue with morality *sigh*

Regarding the comment about post-op TSs perpetuating gender roles, interesting comment, very interesting. Possibly, but then, there's a lot of variation in 'end goal' desire isn't there?
Though I'm happy being seen as TG to the world, I DO want SRS, because I've always needed to be female as I always felt I was. I'm not perpetuating anything by having it, I'm making myself the way I want to be. Not because I think society forced me, but because that's me.
It would certainly be best if society just accepted anyone who didn't want SRS, and just took them as they 'are'. I reallt hope no-one gets pushed into something they don't want, that'd be trading one form of dysmorphia for another and would be horrible.
Lastly, I wonder, of those native American Indians who were the third sex, how many would have had, or wanted SRS had it been available. I mean, if 'I' was born back then, and assuming my internal body-feelings were the same, I would have wanted it, and been terribly unhappy at not ever being able to 'be me'.
Or perhaps because it didn't exist they were happy with what they had and I would have been too?

Take care :)

Angela Burke
03-13-2006, 12:12 AM
I remember in the movie "Little Big Man" Dustin Hoffman has a friend who is a berdache. He's much happier staying at home with the girls rather than going out on the warpath with the other boys.
Nobody seems to think this behavior the slightest bit strange.
How very civilised!

Marlena Dahlstrom
03-13-2006, 01:20 AM
We should be careful about not over-romanticizing the treatment of t*folk by non-Western cultures (which this article does). The reality is a lot more complex. Yes, t*folk were often regarded as "special" but this could "special-bad" just as often as "special-good." Some Native America tribes did regard t*folks as shaman, but in others they were barely tolerated.

Western culture is more binary in orientation that other cultures (on gender, sexuality and many other things), but the article overlooks the many subtleties do exist. As men's lib writers have noted, the difficulties of living up to "being a man" often are precisely because there are so many conflicting -- and sometimes contradictory -- messages about what that means. And I think it's silly to argue that Marilyn Monroe is the only epitome of "womanhood" for today's women. Women face just as many conflicting messages about "femininity" as we do. And it's been that way for centuries.

Finally, it's worth noting that the ability to change one's body the conform to one's sense of gender identity has only existed for about a century -- and had it existed, who knows how that might have affected the views of non-Western cultures.

GypsyKaren
03-14-2006, 08:39 AM
My p-doc and I both consider myself to be a non-op TS, and I'm happy as a clam, happy as is you know. I have no thoughts or desires for hormones or the surgery and such because I don't see what I would gain from it all. I already go out as a woman, and feel like one, and I'm happy and content with my looks...so why bother?

In fact, I'd have much to lose by going further, especially the closeness my wife and I share together. We have a wonderful physical relationship, and I don't want to lose that. I also have no desire to put up with the life long maintainance that comes with going further, it seems like a headache I don't need. And you know, I do know some who have gone all the way and are still unhappy, so I think I'll just keep the hand I've got now.

What really cracks me up is how so many other trannies who've gone further than me insist that there's no way I can feel this way, that I can't possibly be happy this way. I for one see no problem with it all, perhaps it's some who just want to share their misery with me. Like I said, I'm standing pat.

Karen

Maria D
03-14-2006, 01:02 PM
That's exactly it Karen. Whatever makes you happy has got to be good. Unless it's sticking babies on spikes. Don't do that.
Those trannies who insist you're wrong are exactly the same as those 'normal' people who insist we are wrong. They just don't get it. Enough with the stereotypes, just let people be what they need to to be happy.
Take care :)

CaptLex
03-14-2006, 03:47 PM
That's exactly it Karen. Whatever makes you happy has got to be good. Unless it's sticking babies on spikes.

LOL, Maria! Thanks for the Eddie reference - you made my day. :p Sorry to hijack the thread. I now return you to your regularly-scheduled discussion. Had this been an actual emergency . . .

gennee
03-18-2006, 09:52 PM
I read this article about a month or so ago. I am doing a reseach project on berdaches in african and Native American cultures. I am part of these cultures and want to know more about it.

Gennee