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Julia1984
01-28-2018, 05:13 PM
Please excuse a minor diversion from the general trend of these posts.

Most if not all of us here would accept, if not actively embrace, the idea of gender fluidity. Most, if not all, would agree that whilst sexuality may be binary, or perhaps tri-partite, issues of gender are of a different nature.

We use the word "Crossdresser" in preference to "transvestite" with all of its prurient 19th century connotations suggestive of abnormality and "deviance". And that is no doubt right.

But "crossdresser" is no more than a transliteration of transvestite. It still speaks to a "crossing" and there can be no crossing without a boundary, no boundary without an implicit bifurcation.

Is it not time we found a better word? A word that both speaks to and reflects the diversity of the experience and aspirations we all share? One which rejects, implicitly, the suggestion that clothing is no more than a signifier of something essentially determined by boundaries?

Unless and until our own language and The linguitic choices we ourselves adopt can do this, how can we hope that the wider society will understand (and with understanding we must hope will come acceptance) that what we "do" and what we "are" is something infinitely more subtle and nuanced than that?

We are none of us the same. There are themes and there are trends. In our back stories and in our stories of self acceptance this is obvious to all but the most casual observer.

Is it not time, sisters, and brothers, that we found a new word for ourselves?
Julia

newlybronwyn
01-28-2018, 05:44 PM
I agree the word crossdresser is outdated. It has come to insinuate something dirty and shameful. That's not the case anymore. The trans community is become more visible all the time and regardless of how you identify or feel about your gender I would personally say we here are all part of that community.

I personally identify as non-binary and very rarely present as fully female. I don't like wigs or body forms but will mix up male and female clothing in my outfits to varying degrees. I'm very happy with non-binary as my label for now but who knows how that may change in future.

One thing I do disagree with in your post is the comment on the binary nature of sexuality. I am mainly attracted to women. That's because I'm attracted to femininity in look and personality is just as important. Not what's in the underwear of a person. But I do fancy and have snogged men too. I do call myself Bi-sexual but my experience of bi-sexuality is probably much different to some other people's.

Cassandra Lynn
01-28-2018, 05:52 PM
Loll!
Sorry, i'm not laughing to be rude, your's is a wonder post and I accept that your making an honest effort.

There was a issue of the National Geographic last year about all things gender and I think there was well over a dozen terms used to denote how folks view themselves.

We need a glossary; but then again on this forum you'll find a fairly large amount of folks who won't accept that which side of the store they purchased their clothes from has anything to do with their own sense of gender.

In fact, there are maybe a couple or three who may well be buying what are known as women's clothing and wearing it with their own sense of gender not fully being questionable.

It would be wonderful to see a thread such as this lead to new and interesting discussion, but my fear is that it will be yet another of "i'm just this" and one of those label blasting debates.

Jenny22
01-28-2018, 06:07 PM
Crossdresser is fine by me. Its understood by the general public, now. Do we really need to change? we've come a long way since the days of (evil) TVs.

marlacd
01-28-2018, 06:15 PM
Perhaps. I was never a fan of the word transvestite. It sounded too clinical to me. Sort of like a disease that medical science was trying to cure. Crossdresser. Not bad. Up until a few years ago, I saw it as a bit of a playful word. We did it, we were harmless as we did it. But, it took a turn towards the dark side. People started to label it as a sickness, again. Many new terms have cropped up about who we are. It's almost like we need to hand out a program to those who don't know how to describe us. Toss in some political views and terms that we really didn't need to really gum up the works. Then try to tie us with groups that were separated from us, at one time.

Now we have the mosh of terms nobody ever thought of a couple years ago.

Sure, I'd like a new term for us. Could we please make it a term that I'd like to own?

Tracii G
01-28-2018, 06:31 PM
Simiotics is more about symbolism IMO or signs relating to.
Not so much a term of what a person IS.
This is an exercise in futility because there will be no agreement among the masses here.

I agree to your last sentence Cassandra.

There are already words out there to describe what we are and we sure don't need to add more words to confuse the regular people.
Adding or changing things gave us that silly gender pronoun Ze

CaseyAdams
01-28-2018, 06:46 PM
I kind of like the term that Betty Crow (from "My Husband Betty"): trans. This was from a period prior to her fully transitioning. For me, the term has more flexibility than most of the other ones I've come across.

Jodie_Lynn
01-28-2018, 07:31 PM
"But "crossdresser" is no more than a transliteration of transvestite. It still speaks to a "crossing" and there can be no crossing without a boundary, no boundary without an implicit bifurcation."


But is there, in fact, not a boundary? We have probably all heard the phrase "How come a woman can wear pants, but a man in a skirt....?" or variations along those lines. Until we, the crossdressing, transitioning, transgender umbrella community, can get up in the morning and get dressed in (work appropriate) female attire, and not experience any negative feedback or repercussions what-so-ever, then there IS a boundary.

I am NOT saying that the entire world suddenly embrace us enthusiastically (it would be nice though...), I'm just saying that until society can look past the wrapping and see the person inside, then 'crossdressing' is an accurate and appropriate label.

But the, I am of the opinion that re-naming something doesn't change what it is, it just makes some people 'feel' better about. For example, people are no longer "handicapped", they became the awkwardly phrased 'people with disabilities', and then the equally awkward 'differently abled'. It still doesn't change the fact that they are faced with hardships in day-to-day living. The term doesn't correct the condition, it only makes the condition more palatable. For reference, see George Carlin, referring 'shell shocked'.

Teri Ray
01-28-2018, 07:32 PM
I am already having a difficult time keeping up with all the new "labels" or "terms" or "definitions" for what I have come to understand is "crossdressing". Then there are all the shortcut abbreviations. Wheew.................I don't get hung up on what you call what I desire to do when it comes to dressing and presenting female, being a male. I think we need to have, as a game show used to use..........."the final answer". Once we have the right answer I will use it. I kinda like the KISS philosophy (Keep it simple silly) (that's not how I learned what KISS meant but I am learning to be PC....well least a bit). I am thinking that I will stick with crossdresser.....Final answer. If that term has to change then this sites name would have to change and that would confuse me even more.

Tracii G
01-28-2018, 09:45 PM
Funny how this subject appears out of thin air because the other day at Panera Bread a lady asked me what pronoun was appropriate for me.
I said Ma'am or lady works just fine or you can call me Tracii because that is my name.
She was surprised and said I thought you all wanted to be called Ze, Zer etc.
I said that stuff is foolish and I don't want to be called by those silly made up gender proper pronouns.
She said oh good because I don't understand any of it and I feel so stupid because I don't.
I said well I don't understand it either and would rather not use the terms.
I went back to drinking my coffee and reading my book so I do hope I cleared her mind of any silliness.

Meghan4now
01-28-2018, 10:01 PM
Definitions of words have to do with communicating between people. Therefore a common agreement and understanding is implicit. You, I, we, could come up with another term, however the rest of the world won't have a frame of reference. I do not have a problem with the term, I find it useful and close enough. And for those of "us" searching, learning, exploring, it is a useful term to find other birds of a feather.

suzanne
01-28-2018, 10:11 PM
I know "crossdresser" and "transvestite" are synonyms, but so are "house"and "shack" or "gay" and (insert slur here) One has a more negative connotation than the other. To me, "transvestite" sounds clinical, as if it were a psychological disease to be treated until the person returns to normal. But maybe that's just me.

Isabella Ross
01-29-2018, 03:27 AM
Jack Molay's "crossdreamer" works for me, mainly because I think it really explains who I am. But you can call me a transvestite, a crossdresser, whatever you want. And regardless of which of these you prefer, we're all under the transgender umbrella. God, I sense a migraine coming on here...

Beverley Sims
01-29-2018, 03:37 AM
Here we go again, modifying the American language.

The English have a word and it was used at the start of this discussion.

Maybe someone would like to drag out the glossary of terms that was listed here some time ago. :-)

Isabella Ross
01-29-2018, 04:06 AM
Here we go again, modifying the American language.

The English have a word and it was used at the start of this discussion.

Maybe someone would like to drag out the glossary of terms that was listed here some time ago. :-)

Last time I checked, Americans were still using the English language...

Helen_Highwater
01-29-2018, 05:32 AM
Pardon me for this but I feel the need to point something out. Semiotics is related to the meanings of signs. Semantics is related to the meaning of words or phrases. That's me being semantic out the way!

The problem with whatever word you choose is not in the word itself it's how the wider world sees those associated with it.

Transgender is viewed by many as being a plague sent from hell. While the more enlightened understand that there's a gender continuum, a fluidity, there are those who mock the idea and can only think in binary terms.

So whatever word you opt for, and I will say there's perhaps a need for something more suited than Crossdresser, something easily understandable, self defining, everything I think of I just discard as being not fit for purpose the only thing coming remotely close being Crossgender and I don't really like that.

Rayleen
01-29-2018, 05:57 AM
As many variety of us as there are people, we are who we are and what we feel we are.

Have a great day

Rayleen

Julia1984
01-29-2018, 07:09 AM
Thanks all for the comments.
I did choose the title of the thread with some care:
"Semiotics is an investigation into how meaning is created and how meaning is communicated. Its origins lie in the academic study of how signs and symbols (visual and linguistic) create meaning."
Words are as much symbols as pictograms. Without getting into a discussion of the logical theory of meaning (unless someone particularly wants to do that, in which case please PM me) it seems to me that there is a more or less constant two way traffic between "the world" (or rather what things there are in it) and the words we use to describe it and discuss it. All but our most basic ideas and concepts require language to refine them.
My point is that if we continue to use symbols (ie words) that are inextricably associated with "crossing" then we do nothing in respect of that part of the traffic that goes from the word to the world. In other words we don't do anything to promote the GF idea as a whole by getting locked into "trans" and "cross" locutions.
That's enough philosophy of language for today, I'm going back to my Wittgenstein.
Julia

BarbraAnne
01-29-2018, 07:48 AM
While Transvestite is one of the original terms, and before that, Eonist, Cross Dresser is a softer, more acceptable name. In England the word was Tranny, which has become a derogatory term to most. Transgender was originally an umbrella term for all who don't follow their biological sex, but it has been hijacked by the Transsexuals. Stana,of Femulate Blog fame, has proposed the term Femulator, which as started to catch on in some places.
Everyone is different with different goals. Don't get locked into a name you are not comfortable with. Be yourself. You are not a term or category. Regardless of what you do, you are you. Be comfortable with that.

Meghan4now
01-29-2018, 09:26 AM
Yes, Helen, I noticed that too, but just let it go.

NicoleScott
01-29-2018, 09:48 AM
Is it not time we found a better word? A word that both speaks to and reflects the diversity of the experience and aspirations we all share?

Name one. What experiences and aspirations are shared by all of us? And how can one word reflect diversity? If there is one thing we have in common, it is .... wait for it ... crossdressing.

Look up definitions of crossdresser from several sources. They all define it as one who wears clothing normally worn by the opposite sex. No motive, no qualifiers, no limitations, no reflection of "diversity of the experiences and aspirations we all shsre". Just the clothes.

Crossdresser fits me just fine, thanks. You don't have to use it to describe yourself if you don't like it.

But Julia, if you want to replace the word, shouldn't you at least suggest a replacement?

Robertacd
01-29-2018, 09:48 AM
Why get so hung up on labels to begin with?

In my experience the only people who really care about labels are the people that what you to know that "their label" makes them superior to you.

This is how we have gone from LGBQ to LGBQRSTUVWX (sometimes)Y and Z. Getting hung up on labels only serves to fracture our community. Evident right here on the forum. When I started coming here there was basically two forums and they were actually labeled M to F Crossdressers and F to M Crossdressers, and the off topics. But that was not good enough for some people because they didn't want to be lumped in with some label they felt superior to.

CONSUELO
01-29-2018, 10:06 AM
Perhaps there is a better word for what we love to do and be but what it is and how it will emerge is impossible to know.

Unlike many here I am happy to refer to myself as a fetishistic transvestite as it pretty well describes me.

Tranny is a derogatory term as is homo from homosexual. A lot of meaning is put into a word by how it is used and the tone and context in which it is uttered. I find it interesting that the term queer which was used as a derogatory description of a homosexual male was subsequently adopted by the gay community and used with pride and a certain amount of belligerence.

I had a sister who was married to a man whose surname was GAY. He loved to introduce himself to others by saying "Hello, I'm GAY" That used to discombobulate a lot of parties.

As to finding a new and better word for ourselves, we can try, but English is a language that very much develops and evolves from common usage, so whatever we come up with will be thrown into the "mosh pit" of the language and who knows whether it will survive or be mangled and transformed.

IleneD
01-29-2018, 10:12 AM
I think I prefer the term Garment Fluid. (LOL)

Michala
01-29-2018, 11:36 AM
The discussion is about terms and some has been about the differences in the English language. A somewhat difficult language to learn because of all the different uses for the same word. Such as:
I sometimes Read Read as Read,
when it's supposed to be Read as Read.

Is it possible we complicate things more than need be?

Tracii G
01-29-2018, 02:14 PM
Helen I noticed that as well.
Threads like this always end up with people getting mad at each other so I will respectfully decline any further comments.

Stephanie47
01-29-2018, 02:26 PM
The question you pose in your thread has been kicked around several times. I agree there is a negative connotation to "transvestite." It calls for the layman to know some language skills and word derivations. "Cross dresser" gets the visual across to most people. The person wears the clothes of the opposite sex. I read the same article Cassandra read as well as others in mainstream publications.

You cannot use a single word to convey a complicated thought process. And, frankly most of us do not have a clue as to why "we do what we do." Yes, most of use are able to convey what wearing women's clothing does for us; stress relief, escape from 'manly duties,' etc.

If someone is going to entertain a serious conversation with you, then explain it with sentences and paragraphs. Don't throw one word out there. I have seen so many arguments about anything and everything because neither person has elaborated to the other what's really ticking in his or her head.

Rhonda Jean
01-29-2018, 02:39 PM
The more exact we or they try to make these terms, the less precisely they describe us. I literally don't have any idea what the appropriate term for myself is anymore. That is another of the problems I have with people telling (coming out) to someone. There is no word or page of words that even comes close to describing any of us. We can't decide even among ourselves what the proper descriptive labels are. There's no possible way to come through a discussion with someone outside the community and for them to have even a basic grasp on what it means.

Cassandra Lynn
01-29-2018, 02:55 PM
Hmmmm, i'm a bit surprised and somewhat pleased. 24 replies in and I've read some fairly intuitive and interesting thoughts.
Well, except for the few 'who cares, it doesn't matter' type; because it does matter.

One thing that has always struck me as silliness personified is this acceptance of being known as what is basically a verb and especially one that has no descriptive element to define why(?).

As humans we are air breathers, water drinkers, food eaters and shelter dwellers; we are plumbers, accountants, salesmen/women, etc, etc. But in calling some one any one word, there is a known or implied reason as to why they are that label.

When I see someone post on this site that old overheard refrain....."i'm just a crossdresser"; I always give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are that moment wearing women's clothing and that at some point they are going to change back into men's clothes and stop being a crossdresser.

Never mind that as you follow their posts and get to know them, they do in fact wear wigs and make-up and practice a feminine walk and post pics trying to look as female as possible, and all those things we (the enlightened and unafraid to recognize we are in fact trans) recognize as things we do to escape the gender we born with.

I can't be trans because, I don't always dress and present in femme mode? Oh....my mistake I wasn't watching the clock and forgot to reset it when I took off the ladies garments. The trans prefix means to cross, I don't think it comes with defined guidelines about only crossing once.
And i'm sorry if our transsexual friends don't agree.

It's just clothes you know.....wink wink.

Due to many reasons I've come to live in the duality, I wear mostly female clothing but blend in, well, other than the face and nails and such; so considering myself as a crossdresser in the sense of what the cis-gendered world thinks has it's shortcomings for me.
I identify as trans because everything in my head and heart tells me I am.

I'm sorry for all this, I spoke of fearing another endless labeling debate and then I went right ahead and jumped into the fray.........i'm a baddd trans-person.

But one thing I do like about some of this discussion is that we're trying to find something better for the outside world to grasp, because like I said before, it does matter

Stephanie Julianna
01-29-2018, 03:40 PM
Barbra Anne mentioned a friend of mine, Stana's coining a new phrase "Femulator". I think it may have come from 'duplicator'. I think it is one of the better terms out there, however, when I recently had some blood work done at Planned Parenthood going there en femme I choose "Gender Fluid".

Julia1984
01-29-2018, 04:24 PM
Cassandra

Thank you.

Whatever other debates my original post may have inadvertently opened up, you are right the unavoidable truth is that words do matter.

Once a thing, a group or a class has been assigned (or members of that group etc have chosen) a particular label then, so far as users of the language are concerned, the whole ideological baggage that is associated with that word becomes legitimized.

Without wishing to draw inappropriate parallels this is something that has been well understood, and employed, by propagandists for as long as there have been tribes intent on objectifying (and so de-humanising) each other. One has to look no further than Goebells' adoption of the "untermenschen" to see a particularly extreme example of that process in action.

I don't need a label to help me identify or understand myself, but the labels used by other language users may be very important in the construction of social attitudes towards the group or tribe with which i identify or of which i am a part, voluntarily or otherwise.

I hope i managed to use enough sentences and paragraphs that time.

GretchenJ
01-29-2018, 05:21 PM
The issue in my opinion in threads like these that mention the “L” word, is twofold. First taking all the permutations or sexual identity ( and the are many, when you take into account time as a variable - (I am attractive to CIS girls 80% of the time), then combine it with the many variations of gender identity, and from a sheer logistical standpoint it is impossible to come up with standard labels.

Compound this with many people here , that get offended when someone tries to classify a group of individuals and think that they are including them as well. Classic example, there are those here that associate themselves as all male at all time which like to wear women’s clothes, the “pure definition of a cross dresser “. For others though, this is somewhat insulting and demeaning - not intentional.

The best thing we can do in my opinion, is to stick with umbrella terms as much as feasible so that everyone has a feeling of inclusion, which I feel is so important

AllieSF
01-29-2018, 05:26 PM
I vote for the umbrella term usage. It keeps me dry on rainy days or topics like this can of worms, such that on warm days the worms leave their worm holes only to be eaten by some lucky birds or squished under feet or car tires!

PS: I get that some like or do not like certain labels. However, if one looks, walks and quacks like a duck they shouldn't get sensitive when someone calls them a duck when they think of themselves as an elephant, like that one that shows up in the room every now and then.

susan54
01-29-2018, 07:14 PM
I dress and ACT as a woman when I go out but at home do not do the body language, wig or make up. I am happy to think of myself as a crossdresser but not trans anything, because I always identify as male. Acting is not reality. Beyond that I wonder why we need a word. We do not have a word for women who wear male clothing or have problems with pronouns for them so why can't men have the same privileges?

Jodie_Lynn
01-29-2018, 08:26 PM
>sigh< You say tomato, I say cultivated hybrid fruit that has been mis-identified as a vegetable for centuries and is really good in sauce, not so good on cereal.

wait... does this mean tomatoes are transgendered?

Tracii G
01-29-2018, 11:15 PM
There have been literally hundreds of threads on this very subject Julia so why not do a search and read those other threads it might help you.
Trying to make parallels or assumptions based on some obscure literary piece doesn't help or prove any thing.
This whole CDing/ gender thing is so broad a subject and there is no black and white answer to any of it so one is pissing into the wind trying to explain it to a non CD or trans person its just out of their realm of understanding.

docrobbysherry
01-30-2018, 12:22 AM
Use what ever words u wish to describe yourself. And, I will do the same!:heehee:

DaisyLawrence
01-30-2018, 03:57 AM
Labels labels labels. Now there's and idea for a new discussion!

Two things:

1. Personally this is not a problem for me. I am not a crossdresser (or whatever other word of choice). I simply wear the clothes that make me feel comfortable in MY gender identity. I usually feel non-binary and dress femmininely enough to be considered androgenous whilst clearly biologically male. On other days I feel 'all woman' and dress appropriately. I never consider myself to be 'all male' so do not have to cross any boundaries in order to wear female intended clothing. If someone asks I say simply that I am in touch with my inner woman and dress appropriately to express that and that I do not therefore consider crossdresser/(insert term of choice) to be appropriate so please don't use it.

2. Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the word transvestite? If you think crossdresser (the same word by the way) is more respected by transphobic people you are fooling yourself. In their mind you are a weirdo whatever you call yourself. Grayson Perry (probably the UK's most famous transvestite) readily and enthusiastically describes himself as a transvestite as does Eddie Izzard (probably the UK's second most famous transvestite). It's a word, it means what it does, over time crossdresser will become just as negative a term with many if not already and then you will want another one and the cycle begins again. Get over it. Stop labeling yourselves. You are simply another person who, if anyone asks, considers themselves gender non-binary and dresses appropriately (unless, of course, you are a fetish crossdresser in which case you need to cross a gender boundary in order to fulfil the fetish).

Daisy.

DIANEF
01-30-2018, 11:06 AM
I have completely given up on labels as I don't think there will ever be a 'standard definition'. I do what I do and enjoy it, end of...

NicoleScott
01-30-2018, 11:25 AM
Labels labels labels. ... I am not a crossdresser (or whatever other word of choice). I simply wear the clothes that make me feel comfortable in MY gender identity.

Get over it. Stop labeling yourselves. You are simply another person who, if anyone asks, considers themselves gender non-binary and dresses appropriately.

Daisy.

Huh? Stop labeling yourself but then call yourself gender non-binary? Isn't gender non-binary as much of a label as crossdresser?

It seems that even label-haters can't avoid using them.

DaisyLawrence
01-30-2018, 12:27 PM
No Nicole gender non-binary is a statement of fact not a label, just like male is statement of fact for a cis gender male.

Tracii G
01-30-2018, 01:38 PM
See here we go just like I said in post 26.

Pumped
01-30-2018, 01:46 PM
I have issues with people getting hung up on terminology. It all changes with time. Terms that mentioned nothing negative all of a sudden are forbidden. Years ago retarded was fine, now it is a terrible term to use. It mentioned nothing negative but somewhere it turned bad, not PC enough. So let's change the name to something more PC so nobody gets thier feelings hurt even though the condition/situation whatever has not changed.

Jenny22
01-30-2018, 02:05 PM
What's in a name said Shakespear? A rose by any other name would smell the same.

NicoleScott
01-30-2018, 03:58 PM
Daisy, if gender non-binary is a statement of fact and not a label, then so is crossdresser, a person who, in fact, wears clothing normally worn by the opposite sex.
This is a silly game of: the words I use are not labels, but the words you use are. We all use labels - it's unavoidable when communicating.

For lunch I had two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun. I didn't want to offend by using a label.

Asew
01-30-2018, 04:55 PM
I think I prefer the term Garment Fluid. (LOL)

I love this!

No matter what labels you use someone won't like it since nothing is clear cut but on multiple spectrums.

Jodie_Lynn
01-30-2018, 06:16 PM
Almost all words are labels. They are convenient place holders so that we all know what we are trying to communicate to others.

For example: Tree. While we all may form a mental image of a different type, we pretty much can understand when someone points to the object labeled 'tree'.
Again, the same with the labels identified as 'boat', 'car', 'cat', 'dog', etc.

Cis-anything is a label we use to identify a person who is both physically and mentally in synch with their gender. Likewise, Trans-anything is used to identify a person who is not in synch. And so, Crossdresser identifies those who wear the clothes of the opposite gender.

ShyLibrarian
02-04-2018, 11:29 AM
Funny how this subject appears out of thin air because the other day at Panera Bread a lady asked me what pronoun was appropriate for me.
I said Ma'am or lady works just fine or you can call me Tracii because that is my name.
She was surprised and said I thought you all wanted to be called Ze, Zer etc.
I said that stuff is foolish and I don't want to be called by those silly made up gender proper pronouns.
She said oh good because I don't understand any of it and I feel so stupid because I don't.
I said well I don't understand it either and would rather not use the terms.
I went back to drinking my coffee and reading my book so I do hope I cleared her mind of any silliness.

Smart reply - because, like the lady in question, teeming millions don't understand those terms either and it's become trendy for university students who insist on the use of proliferating pronouns to attack professors who either don't understand them or consider it peurile to pander to them.

One problem is that, given that the wider world tends not to understand new and explicit terms for various gender assignments/choices/assertions, not understanding leads to resentment which often leads to anger - thus creating a very large cohort of people who just don't want to know about the whole complex world of gender (to which Robertacd has alluded e.g.), and/or are actively hostile to it. That's why I find Tracii's comment insightful and tres au point

- - - Updated - - -


Last time I checked, Americans were still using the English language...

with us Canadians somewhere betwixt

scarlett
02-04-2018, 11:42 PM
Please excuse a minor diversion from the general trend of these posts.

Most if not all of us here would accept, if not actively embrace, the idea of gender fluidity. Most, if not all, would agree that whilst sexuality may be binary, or perhaps tri-partite, issues of gender are of a different nature.

We use the word "Crossdresser" in preference to "transvestite" with all of its prurient 19th century connotations suggestive of abnormality and "deviance". And that is no doubt right.

But "crossdresser" is no more than a transliteration of transvestite. It still speaks to a "crossing" and there can be no crossing without a boundary, no boundary without an implicit bifurcation.

Is it not time we found a better word? A word that both speaks to and reflects the diversity of the experience and aspirations we all share? One which rejects, implicitly, the suggestion that clothing is no more than a signifier of something essentially determined by boundaries?

Unless and until our own language and The linguitic choices we ourselves adopt can do this, how can we hope that the wider society will understand (and with understanding we must hope will come acceptance) that what we "do" and what we "are" is something infinitely more subtle and nuanced than that?

We are none of us the same. There are themes and there are trends. In our back stories and in our stories of self acceptance this is obvious to all but the most casual observer.

Is it not time, sisters, and brothers, that we found a new word for ourselves?
Julia

What does "semiotics" mean?

BettyMorgan
02-05-2018, 12:24 AM
I said that stuff is foolish and I don't want to be called by those silly made up gender proper pronouns.
She said oh good because I don't understand any of it and I feel so stupid because I don't.
I said well I don't understand it either and would rather not use the terms.
I went back to drinking my coffee and reading my book so I do hope I cleared her mind of any silliness.

I get that, not understanding any of it. I've been there, too.
But you can still choose to be a kind human being while you learn.

Julia1984
02-05-2018, 03:44 AM
Scarlett:
"Semiotics is an investigation into how meaning is created and how meaning is communicated. Its origins lie in the academic study of how signs and symbols (visual and linguistic) create meaning."