You are in the wrong bathroom........

[hosekid]

The other night I went out with the wife to a movie and dinner. All was going well as usual, but then I needed to go to the restroom. (BAD) I try to plan my restroom trips so that people will have as little discomfort as possible. I try to stop at places that have single room, or family restrooms. Next would be fast food places that are not busy. My last choice is anywhere that is busy. I go to the women's restroom because there is never anyone in the bathroom when I am around. But on this night, the movies were crowded and there was no family bathroom. Plus, there were a ton of younger kids there. So I decided that since I am not a transsexual, just a crossdresser, and that so many people in my conservative area are always on facebook complaining about the bathroom issue, I would use my birth gender restroom. I think it would be better for me to use the ladies room when I am wearing a dress pantyhose and heels, but since I know I only pass 50 percent of the time, and that how I dress isnt really anyone's business, and I don't really care what people think anyhow, then it doesnt matter to me where I pee. So lo and behold some guy comes up to me as soon as I walk in and tells me that I am in the wrong bathroom. I tell him thanks, but I have this handled. He insists that I leave and go to the womens bathroom. Sooo, I used my hush voice with him and ask if he really wants me to go to the bathroom with his wife and kids. He says you're probably right, sorry. Then he leaves. I got quite a few looks while I was in there. (less than 3 minutes) My question is do people want us to use the womens room, the mens room or just not use the bathroom at all?

[Nicole Erin]

People are going to have a problem no matter what.
Aside the family/single occupancy restrooms, there is no correct answer.
I am surprised a man would have a problem because it is kind of a no-no to bother others in the men's room.

If this stupid restroom law had never been pushed there would be less problems. TG have been using the restrooms of their chosen gender for years but suddenly it is a problem.

[Alice_2014_B]

Only time I used the restroom in public in fem-mode was at the local comedy club.
I just went to the urinal, hiked up my dress and went, no one else was in there.
:)

[Chloe Triss]

Just use the female bathroom. Because with what you're wearing, women/girls can't and just don't assume your gender and women bathroom only have locked rooms. As for me I just use any bathroom if I feel like it since I've been assumed as a tomboy for most of time so I can use the male bathroom + the female bathroom wearing my boy clothes. Unlike men who usually speak their minds, women tend to keep things secret to themselves, maybe gossip about you but the fact remains that they probably won't stop you from using the female bathroom.

Good luck next time
Hope Chloe advice helps.....<3

[Teresa]

Hosekid,
It looks like we are never going to please everyone ! I usually use disabled toilets , if I have to use the male ones I head for a cubicle. On one occasion the disabled one was out of use as I stood considering the options a GG from our group dragged me by the arm into the female ones saying no one is going to know you're not a woman !

[stephNE]

When I need to go, I use the women's room. I feel its safer for me in there. I do try to go at home before I go out, and most times I'm back home within a couple hours, so there is no need to go while I'm out. But sometimes I am out for the entire day, and then I have no choice. Go in and go straight into a stall, do you business, wash and leave quickly. Don't look at other women, etc.

[Helen_Highwater]

Hosekid,

Sorry but I feel I need to call foul. Your comment about, "Did he really want you shaing a bathroom with his wife and kids" makes us out to be in someway perverted. That in using the ladies his family will suffer harm.

Saying what you did reinforces negative stereotypes. Something along the lines of, "Sorry but I'm conscious of causing offence to some females so I thought it best to come here" shows consideration on your part. That you are aware of those around you. Follow that up with, "Do you think your wife would be offended?" places the onus on him. Does he want to make his wife look a bigot. If he answers "Yes" then ask "So where do I go if neither of you want me with them?"

I understand the pressure choosing which bathroom to use brings, certainly at busy times. Standing waiting for a cubicle to come free isn't something I'd feel comfortable doing. Thankfully I've always been able to fall back on using the disable toilet up to now but I'm sure it's a dilemma I'll face at some time.

I have given thought to this and have my choice of words outlined in my head should a GG make a comment about my presence. It's along the lines of, "I don't want to run the risk of some bloke getting physical and one or both of us getting hurt". "Trust me, I'm not here for any other reason than taking a pee in safety" "I certainly don't want to cause offence" Hopefully dialogue will work. Time will no doubt tell.

[carolyn todd]

Hosekid
i've just come back from a ten day female holiday dressed 24/7, i am told i past at a distant but not close up but i had no problem going into the ladies toilet (bathroom)for a pee for me it was a case of go in
have a pee,wash my hands, check my dress, face, powder, lipstick and out not looking at any one else.
if i am dress female i will use the ladies if i am dressed as a male i will use the gents.

Carolyn

[Sandra]

I used my hush voice with him and ask if he really wants me to go to the bathroom with his wife and kids.

Really what a thing to say. The majority of the public think that any trans person is perverted, and totally disagree when presenting as female using the female toilets, you saying this just confirmed their thoughts and set the community back. Sorry but it was totally the wrong thing to say.

[alwayshave]

Hosekid, I'm going to agree with Helen, your comment reinforces the notion of troglodytes and small minded religious zealots.

[kimdl93]

I’m going to guess that he actually thought you were a woman and thought he was being helpful.

To the larger issue, I really don’t think most people give a darn which bathroom anyone uses, so long as they don’t have to wait in line!

[Krisi]

If you're dressed as a female and reasonably pass as a female, you should be using the women's restroom unless it's illegal in your area. If you're dressed as a female but look like Hulk Hogan in drag, you probably shouldn't use the woman's restroom. That may leave you no other choice than to use the men's restroom. Of course, restrooms are something we should plan for before we go out so keep this in mind. Sometimes it pays to scout out our outing destinations beforehand.

[Micki_Finn]

I’ve always used the ladies room but I’m out here on the west coast that’s pretty liberal, and I pass better than some so I’ve never had an issue.

[Rachael Leigh]

For me if I’m dressed en fem I will not do the men’s room, I’m way more comfortable in the ladies room.
I just make sure I don’t talk much if any if I’m spoken too. It’s just do my business and leave.
Never had an issue

[Stephanie47]

More than once I have been at a sport's venue and a woman has entered yelling "woman on board!" Of course, she always heads for the stall. The usual explanation is the very long lines at the ladies' room. I've also seen mother's come into a men's room to protect their sons from perverts who prey on little boys.

The next time I would recommend when en femme in the men's room is head directly to a stall, not a urinal. Maybe you should write to that ABC program "What would you do?" That would be interesting.

[Becky Blue]

I have happily used the Ladies in Australia and the USA it has never been a problem. I think more people will be concerned with seeing a fully dressed and made up 'woman' in the mens.

I also have to agree with the others above, what you said to the guy about using the ladies with his wife and kids, is really not a great comment.

[DIANEF]

I have yet to be in this situation but I once asked my wife if she had any issues with 'trannies' (that is what she calls CDs who visit the supermarket she works at) from using the ladies toilets if she was in there. Her reply was, 'no, so long as they behaved themselves'... I didn't press her on what she meant, maybe I should have.

[Tracii G]

I just use the facilities for which gender I am at that time and there have never been any issues.
Its a lot safer that way. I have been doing it that way long before any stupid law was enacted.
Its one of those laws that no one will follow or pay attention to anyway.
Trans people have been doing it that way longer than I have been on this planet and its never been a problem so why now?
A lot of this stems from a small group of people that don't like something so they try and ruin things for others they don't agree with.

[Aunt Kelly]

Use the neutral facilities if available. If you have to choose, use the facility that corresponds to your presentation.
It's simple. Yes, it really is. The whole panic about trans people using bathrooms was an invention of a particular group of political animals, trying to appeal to a particular group of haters. Most people, by far, don't by that B.S. If you get in, take care of business and get out, just like any other woman, you'll likely get nothing more than a second glance, if that.

[t-girlxsophie]

I think tbh that guy was basically an ass,looking for an argument.I think too that this bathroom issue isn't as much of a problem as it is in the U.S. I have never in my years had a bad experience in the Ladies.

Ive been in some clubs where the women can't be bothered waiting in queues so jump into the men's And are these religious zealots up in arms when a young child is out with mum and she takes them into the Ladies it's crazy

[Tracii G]

Sophie here in the US its not as big a deal as they make it out to be so much you almost never hear about it anymore.
No trans person I know really cares about the law they just do what they have always done.

[t-girlxsophie]

Sophie here in the US its not as big a deal as they make it out to be so much you almost never hear about it anymore.

I'm happy to hear that,it did seem to go a wee bit OTT for a while there.

[hosekid]

I don't really know why my comment would be bad. Using someone's own argument against them when they change their story seems perfectly legit. I personally don't care what bathroom people use, but I will say that when my daughter is in the bathroom I monitor the door for any person who enters that sets red flags off. I usually stand just outside, and listen for her to call me if anything is awry, but there have been occasions when I have just went in after someone shady goes in. I hate to say that I intentionally make people uncomfortable, but when you are near my kids, you need to have a slightly uncomfortable feeling. So I guess I can see where some of these people are coming from. I mean, if we want them to understand our side of the situation, we have to be willing to understand theirs.

I would like to point out 1 example where I am in disagreement with genetic males using the ladies room. Teenagers. Trans or CD, they are still teenagers and lack impulse control. There is no way I want 15 year old angie/tommy in the bathroom at school with my 10 year old.

I also dont understand why someone who is a CD and does not have a gender identity disorder would oppose using the men's restroom if need be. If you are able to decide to wear a dress in public shouldn't you own it? I mean, I feel that I have just as much right to pee in the Men's room whether I am wearing a dress and heels or a 3 piece suit.

[IleneD]

You are a better girl than I am, Gunga Din. ;.... er, HoseKid.
I think you handled the situation with aplomb and grace. Don't know if I could have discreetly done the same.

[Tracii G]

Hosekid your comment did come off as promoting the assumption trans or CD people are perverts out to get "our" kids.
I was protective of my 2 daughters when they were little too but you need to understand your sons or daughters are way more likely to get abducted in a bathroom buy a person of the proper gender for that room than some trans person that just wants to pee.
We are all not Hulk Hogan in drag.
To your last paragraph you can pee in whichever room you wish but if I were to go in a men's room with several guys in there its quite possible they would not want me in there and maybe commit a crime agains't me.
Why walk into the lions den and expect not to be bitten.
I can own anything I do and have no problem defending myself but I'm not stupid.
I can choose to go to the ladies room and be drama free and be on my way. Isn't that much simpler?
Your incident went off just fine and the guy said OK so it worked out fine so no reason to worry over it.

[Becky Blue]

Hosekid, by using 'their argument against them' you are encouraging them, which from you middle paragraph is clear that you actually agree with them.

Question for you, this teenage Trans person that lacks impulse control, what impulse is it that you think they are going to act on?

I will explain why I would be opposed to using the men's room when i am out dressed as a woman. Its simple I would look completely out of place using the mens room in a dress or a skirt or heels or whatever, I also think that any guys in that room would feel distinctly uncomfortable seeing me in there. I have used the ladies countless times and never felt even the slightest bit of discomfort from any women I came across in there.

[Glenda58]

What ever gender I'm dressed in I use. Never had a problem.

[Mirya]

Even in liberal states in the US, such as Illinois, the law does not provide protection for you if you are a CD using the women's restroom. The law does not prohibit discrimination based on gender presentation, rather it prohibits discrimination based on gender identity when it comes to restrooms. If you identify as male, you are not protected under the law when using the women's restroom, regardless of what you're wearing or how well you pass.

Sorry, but that's the letter of the law and the laws are very specific in using the term gender identity, not gender expression. You might feel safer using the women's restroom, but you're not legally protected.

[Pat]

Sorry, but that's the letter of the law and the laws are very specific in using the term gender identity, not gender expression.

That is true, but the definition of gender identity is often loose enough to accommodate crossdressers who identify as transgender -- of which we have a fair number in this forum. Likewise, the gender fluid or genderqueer. There are also a number of crossdressers in this forum who do not accept that they are under the transgender umbrella and, as you note, they would not be protected.

[BillieS]

“I usually stand just outside, and listen for her to call me if anything is awry, but there have been occasions when I have just went in after someone shady goes in.”

Who are these shady people going into women’s restrooms? Shady women?

[IleneD]

Having braved the experience of using a ladies restroom while en femme, I'm here to tell the big secret. What it's all about.
There are nothing but individual stalls WITH DOORS in ladies rooms. No open urinals to cause a possible exposure. It's all very discreet. No one sees each other. No one sees a thing (except maybe that one of your hip forms was re-inserted poorly).

I've always wondered what the big deal is all about using ladies restrooms. Seriously. The way they're constructed ANYONE should be able to walk in and use one.

[t-girlxsophie]

It's happened more than once where I've been in the Ladies and someone's asked to borrow my lipstick or complimented me on my outfit,so I tend to think more women than not aren't that uncomfortable. Men are a different matter if your in the gents en femme it just ain't gonna look right

[Ressie]

There are nothing but individual stalls WITH DOORS in ladies rooms. No open urinals to cause a possible exposure. It's all very discreet. No one sees each other. No one sees a thing (except maybe that one of your hip forms was re-inserted poorly).

I've always wondered what the big deal is all about using ladies restrooms. Seriously. The way they're constructed ANYONE should be able to walk in and use one.

But there is that space between the entrance and the stall. And some women even wash there hands or put on makeup by the sinks. Some of them are cool while some others don't like us in their space.

The OP was going out in 50/50 mode so I can understand the dilemma. Add the fact that the cinema complex was filled with families with kids added to the problem. Hosekid also mentioned that he usually plans what bathrooms can be used without any possible problems but didn't plan so well this time. It was a hard decision to make under the circumstances and I'm sure something was learned from the experience. Thanks for sharing this useful story.

[Aunt Kelly]

Wow. So some TG types are de facto dangerous? Riiiight. That is exactly the kind of ignorant stereotype we should all be trying to dispel at every opportunity. Kids need our protection. No argument, but that 15 year old trans girl needs our protection too. Suggesting that she's some kind of threat, just because she is TG, is some kind of twisted thinking. It needs to stop.

[Helen_Highwater]

Again Hosekid I was perturbed by your comment this time about standing outside the toilet.

Given the number of incidents that have taken place in the US this year alone aren't you better off standing outside your daughter's school than any toilet?

This is an example of were fact and reality are replaced by rumour, innuendo and down right bigotry.

Kids today are at far greater risk from what they do while surfing the internet on their smartphones than any chance encounter that takes place in a ladies toilet.

My guess is, and I apologise if I'm wrong, you like the vast majority of parents do nothing to limit exposure to all sorts of inappropriate behaviours from their smartphone, tablet or PC. Yet in truth in this day and age this us where the greatest dangers arise.

As a parent I can do nothing but applaud your concern for your child. I just feel you need to re adjust your priorities.

[Vickie_CDTV]

If I were in that situation, with the young children in the women's room... I would have used the men's room too. Hell has no fury like a mother who thinks she is protecting her children...whether or not that fear is actually justified, they may believe it regardless and act accordingly.

Others do as they wish and that is fine. I, personally, would never chance it with little girls in the women's room.

[Pat]

If I were in that situation, with the young children in the women's room... I would have used the men's room too.

It's an interesting viewpoint since it seems to say that at base, you agree that you are a threat or you have no right to be there, which is internalized transphobia. I had similar feelings at one time but worked through them. I'm not saying there aren't Moms that might panic, but I can honestly say I've never met one. People read the vibe you put out, and if you feel like you don't belong someplace that's what they'll read off you. If you feel like you're where you belong, they read that.

[SabrinaEmily]

I would like to point out 1 example where I am in disagreement with genetic males using the ladies room. Teenagers. Trans or CD, they are still teenagers and lack impulse control. There is no way I want 15 year old angie/tommy in the bathroom at school with my 10 year old.

Are you seriously suggesting that it's "impulse control" that keeps people from raping 10-year-olds in the bathroom? And since teenagers (only male, of course) may lack it, they'll go straight to molesting your child given half a chance. Uh huh. You aren't too worried about protecting male children from this marauding gang of molesters, though.


I also dont understand why someone who is a CD and does not have a gender identity disorder would oppose using the men's restroom if need be. If you are able to decide to wear a dress in public shouldn't you own it? I mean, I feel that I have just as much right to pee in the Men's room whether I am wearing a dress and heels or a 3 piece suit.

I don't care which room you pee in. I've worn skirts and dresses into both men's and women's bathrooms. No problems so far.

But don't slander half the population as child rapists held back only by "impulse control".

[Pat]

I also dont understand why someone who is a CD and does not have a gender identity disorder would oppose using the men's restroom if need be. If you are able to decide to wear a dress in public shouldn't you own it? I mean, I feel that I have just as much right to pee in the Men's room whether I am wearing a dress and heels or a 3 piece suit.

Really? Seems like kind of a no-brainer to me, but I suspect they're concerned about using the men's room because men are perceived as more likely to use violence against other males in female clothing. There are police records to bear that out, actually. It has always been a safety issue despite attempts by some groups to change the focus.

[BettyMorgan]

It would be great if the members of this forum would take the time to research transphobia.
And yes, just because you are a crossdresser doesn't mean you aren't transphobic or misogynistic.

I won't reply with quotes or names but:
- thinking that teenage trans kids shouldn't be in the same bathroom as a ten year old is transphobia.
- a wife calling trans persons "trannies" is transphobia. Please ask your wife to stop using that term. Research the reasons why (look at the GLAAD site for details).
- telling a male you wouldn't want me in the same bathroom as your wife and kids, is transphobic. And it promotes the myth that it's dangerous to have trans women using female bathrooms.

Please don't set us back with these ideas especially when so many people who don't understand us are doing exactly that.

[Vickie_CDTV]

It's an interesting viewpoint since it seems to say that at base, you agree that you are a threat or you have no right to be there, which is internalized transphobia. I had similar feelings at one time but worked through them. I'm not saying there aren't Moms that might panic, but I can honestly say I've never met one. People read the vibe you put out, and if you feel like you don't belong someplace that's what they'll read off you. If you feel like you're where you belong, they read that.

No, not at all. I know I am a safe person. One has to be due to the intimate nature of my work, no one who knows me questions I am a safe person. However, the theoretical mother in the ladies room does not know me personally, and does not know I am a safe person. She may not know anything about trans people either. She may only know a male bodied person is entering the ladies restroom with her little girls in there.

[Jodie_Lynn]

It's happened more than once where I've been in the Ladies and someone's asked to borrow my lipstick

Really? Complete strangers ask to borrow your lipstick? And you lend it to them? I find this a little difficult to believe.

Altho, while in the Ladies in a gay/transgender bar, I did have a GG ask if I had any extra feminine products she could have. Oddly, enough, I did and gave her what she needed. And, for what's its worth, when I went to use the restroom I automatically headed for the Men's when a member of the staff stopped me and said "wrong one sweetie", which made me feel pretty good.

[Beverley Sims]

I just use the bathroom of the gender I am portraying.

I would be more wary of going into a men's bathroom in a dress than into a women's bathroom dressed as a man.

[t-girlxsophie]

Really? Complete strangers ask to borrow your lipstick? And you lend it to them? I find this a little difficult to believe.

Altho, while in the Ladies in a gay/transgender bar, I did have a GG ask if I had any extra feminine products she could have. Oddly, enough, I did and gave her what she needed. And, for what's its worth, when I went to use the restroom I automatically headed for the Men's when a member of the staff stopped me and said "wrong one sweetie", which made me feel pretty good.

Sooo let me get this right,a GG likes my shade of lipstick and asks to try it out,you find this hard to believe BUT that a stranger asks you for feminine products is somehow much more believable Oh! Ok then (although im not disputing it happened) I'm not in the habit of making stories up on here or indeed anywhere

[Jodie_Lynn]

t-girlxsophie, a lipstick, in my opinion, is as personal as a toothbrush. Maybe I'm wrong but there is a definite 'ewww' factor in lending something that goes on your lips, to a stranger. And giving someone a pad is the same as giving them a tissue, in my opinion. Notice I said 'give', because the word 'lend' indicates the item is on temporary loan, and I sureashell did NOT want it back!

Background: the woman was in the stall next to me and apparently didn't have what she needed. I'm not sure if she was aware of what I was, she was just desperate and in need.

[Helen_Highwater]

Hosekid,

Sorry this must seem like I have a vendetta against you but that's not the case.

I went back and read again your original post as I had a thought come to me about the male's insistence that you use the other restroom.

Was he actually being supportive of trans people? I ask this as my original reading made me feel as if there was an element of threat in his talking to you. Dark overtones. In fact was it his opinion that trans people should use the bathroom of the gender they present in? The layman can't distinguish between CD and trans, hell it's difficult enough for us. So while you class yourself as CD he saw different and was trying to be supportive.

Just wondering.

[Jodie_Lynn]

I don't really know why my comment would be bad. Using someone's own argument against them when they change their story seems perfectly legit. I personally don't care what bathroom people use, but I will say that when my daughter is in the bathroom I monitor the door for any person who enters that sets red flags off. I usually stand just outside, and listen for her to call me if anything is awry, but there have been occasions when I have just went in after someone shady goes in. I hate to say that I intentionally make people uncomfortable, but when you are near my kids, you need to have a slightly uncomfortable feeling. So I guess I can see where some of these people are coming from. I mean, if we want them to understand our side of the situation, we have to be willing to understand theirs.

I would like to point out 1 example where I am in disagreement with genetic males using the ladies room. Teenagers. Trans or CD, they are still teenagers and lack impulse control. There is no way I want 15 year old angie/tommy in the bathroom at school with my 10 year old.

I also dont understand why someone who is a CD and does not have a gender identity disorder would oppose using the men's restroom if need be. If you are able to decide to wear a dress in public shouldn't you own it? I mean, I feel that I have just as much right to pee in the Men's room whether I am wearing a dress and heels or a 3 piece suit.

I'm really not looking for a fight, but this whole post seems "off" somehow in a very transphobic sort of way. .

I mean, as a parent of a daughter with epilepsy, I understand the need to be aware and nearby in case she needs assistance. When she was a wee little girl and we were out, I had no issue bringing into the Men's to use the stall since I was very uncomfortable going into the Ladies as a guy.

But lurking by the door seems a little shady in itself, and what "red flags" and "shady types" are going into the restroom? Are you referring to TG's or CD's?

And why must people feel "uncomfortable" around your children?

The last bit about teen trans is just creepy and reinforces the idea that Transgendered and Crossdressed people are deviants. And do you also go to your daughters school to stand guard by the girl's restroom door?

[Krisi]

It's happened more than once where I've been in the Ladies and someone's asked to borrow my lipstick or complimented me on my outfit,so I tend to think more women than not aren't that uncomfortable. Men are a different matter if your in the gents en femme it just ain't gonna look right

Women borrow each others lipstick even if they don't know each other? That doesn't sound right.

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I just use the bathroom of the gender I am portraying.

I would be more wary of going into a men's bathroom in a dress than into a women's bathroom dressed as a man.

Same here. That's just common sense. The exception would be something like a Halloween party where you are wearing a dress but doing a really poor imitation of a woman and it's clear that you are a man.

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It would be great if the members of this forum would take the time to research transphobia.
And yes, just because you are a crossdresser doesn't mean you aren't transphobic or misogynistic.

I won't reply with quotes or names but:
- thinking that teenage trans kids shouldn't be in the same bathroom as a ten year old is transphobia.
- a wife calling trans persons "trannies" is transphobia. Please ask your wife to stop using that term. Research the reasons why (look at the GLAAD site for details).
- telling a male you wouldn't want me in the same bathroom as your wife and kids, is transphobic. And it promotes the myth that it's dangerous to have trans women using female bathrooms.

Please don't set us back with these ideas especially when so many people who don't understand us are doing exactly that.

You should realize that there are members here from all over the world and from all walks of life and backgrounds. Just because someone feels differently about something than you do doesn't automatically make them wrong. They are entitled to their own beliefs. In their eyes, you may be the one who is wrong.

You seem to be demanding tolerance but at the same time, you appear to be just as intolerant. Enough with the preaching.

[5150 Girl]

Really what a thing to say. The majority of the public think that any trans person is perverted, and totally disagree when presenting as female using the female toilets, you saying this just confirmed their thoughts and set the community back. Sorry but it was totally the wrong thing to say.

I agree 100% Thanks for setting back the cause!

[Xenia]

I personally don't care what bathroom people use, but I will say that when my daughter is in the bathroom I monitor the door for any person who enters that sets red flags off. I usually stand just outside, and listen for her to call me if anything is awry, but there have been occasions when I have just went in after someone shady goes in. I hate to say that I intentionally make people uncomfortable, but when you are near my kids, you need to have a slightly uncomfortable feeling.

Am I misreading this? You're saying you guard the door of the women's restroom, and if someone you don't like goes in, you just barge right in to confront them? And that you have no problem intentionally making women uncomfortable when they use the bathroom? Sorry, I'm pretty sure that makes you the shady one.

[tbryant2k16]

Am I misreading this? You're saying you guard the door of the women's restroom, and if someone you don't like goes in, you just barge right in to confront them? And that you have no problem intentionally making women uncomfortable when they use the bathroom? Sorry, I'm pretty sure that makes you the shady one.

Yep, that's pretty shady. And probably pretty embarrassing if it turns out to be a real woman. And he get's charged instead!

[Becky Blue]

I would love to hear back from Hosekid to answer some of the many questions you have gotten here. Such as my original question what lack of impulse control worries you with regards to trans teenagers?

[Krisi]

........................................... My question is do people want us to use the womens room, the mens room or just not use the bathroom at all?

The answer is - It depends.

Many people do not want us to exist so in that case, they don't want us to use the restroom at all. Obviously, we do exist and at some point, we will need to use a restroom. Many establishments have constructed single occupant "unisex" restrooms. Others have constructed "family" restrooms or "handicapped" restrooms for people who may need help using the restroom. Any of these is good for crossdressers unless by using them we are depriving the intended users from using them.

This leaves the multi user restrooms designated for either men or women. This is where it "depends". Do you look reasonably like a woman, even a large homely one? Your best choice is to use the one designated for women. Go in, do your business (sit, never stand), wash up and get out.

Do you not look like a woman? Are you a man in a dress? Wearing women's clothes but unshaved or balding? This is where you suck it up and use the men's restroom. You're not fooling anybody anyway and you would be seen as a man in the women's restroom if you went in there. This could cause trouble. Like it or not, the majority of women would be very uncomfortable with an obvious man using the women's restroom, stalls or not.

[hosekid]

I would love to hear back from Hosekid to answer some of the many questions you have gotten here. Such as my original question what lack of impulse control worries you with regards to trans teenagers?

havent had a lot of time, but will try to answer questions as I get a few minutes here and there. sorry, work sucks.

Ok here goes. My daughter should not be alone with ANY male who is not a relative. Be it her school principal in his office, the next door neighbor, or a man in the bathroom. These places all have privacy that accommodates people looking to do harm to children. But all of these grown ups have matured and understand right from wrong and consequences. However, a teenager, especially teenage males, have not fully developed mentally. They act on impulses. They do things without thinking about right and wrong or about consequences. Now add to that someone who is gender dysphoric. Now that person really has pressure on them, but they are not fully mentally developed. Now they have access to a private space, unguarded, with females. (so little johnny, who 2 months ago decides he wants to be a girl is now free to roam the girls bathroom, when suddenly he gets an "urge" to touch a genetic girl.) So you tell me, is the person I am describing more likely to act on impulse than a grown up in that situation? I think where people go wrong with what I said is they are focusing on the word trans when I am focusing on the word TEEN. BTW, who pays higher car insurance? Grown ups or teens? And what teens pay higher insurance, boys or girls? I don't know if I do a good job explaining...

[Mark B]

While I dress half and half I always use the men’s. Sure I get some funny looks and may hear some snickering. After all. I’m still a man. Just wearing a skirt and heels.

Now when I go out as Martha I am usually with my wife and we’ll go together. But most of the time it’s not a problem, as others have mentioned, the ladies have private stalls. Just go in, do your business, wash hands, and leave quickly.

[hosekid]

ok, last one for now. Who is Shady going into the bathroom with my daughter....this is NOT an all inclusive list

1. ANYONE (stranger) who has randomly spoken to her for no reason (think disney world and someone asks her where she is from or if she has a dog, ect)
2. ANYONE (stranger) who has been paying undue attention to her (staring, taking pictures, ect.)
3. ANYONE who is an obvious druggie (I know people can hide it, but we have all seen strung out people)
4. ANYONE who is visibly upset to the point of violence. Not sad people, but angry at their boss or coworker, slamming doors, cursing
5. People that just give a bad vibe.

Everyone on here has read posts warning us to stay alert and not put OURSELVES in harms way and to watch out for people like the ones I mentioned above. I am a little more understanding of WHY so many people are against the CD/TRANS community. I catch grief for watching out for my kids from the same people you would warn us cd's and gurls to stay away from. I would like to know do ya'll folks that condemn me not watch when your kids go to the bathroom? Are yall ok with everyone that goes in? Or do yall watch out for shady people too, but just need a reason to complain about me?

[Krisi]

havent had a lot of time, but will try to answer questions as I get a few minutes here and there. sorry, work sucks.

Ok here goes. My daughter should not be alone with ANY male who is not a relative. Be it her school principal in his office, the next door neighbor, or a man in the bathroom. These places all have privacy that accommodates people looking to do harm to children. But all of these grown ups have matured and understand right from wrong and consequences. However, a teenager, especially teenage males, have not fully developed mentally. They act on impulses. They do things without thinking about right and wrong or about consequences. Now add to that someone who is gender dysphoric. Now that person really has pressure on them, but they are not fully mentally developed. Now they have access to a private space, unguarded, with females. (so little johnny, who 2 months ago decides he wants to be a girl is now free to roam the girls bathroom, when suddenly he gets an "urge" to touch a genetic girl.) So you tell me, is the person I am describing more likely to act on impulse than a grown up in that situation? I think where people go wrong with what I said is they are focusing on the word trans when I am focusing on the word TEEN. BTW, who pays higher car insurance? Grown ups or teens? And what teens pay higher insurance, boys or girls? I don't know if I do a good job explaining...

I think you are making a big mistake in thinking that all teenagers are not fully developed mentally and that all adults are. It's a bad generalization. If teenagers haven't fully developed mentally, why are they allowed to drive? Why are they allowed to join the military and carry weapons? And why are they allowed to vote?

Watch the news on TV for a while and you will see that most people arrested for sex crimes are adults. Some are school teachers. Some are relatives.

I think it's a shame that some parents teach their children to be fearful of adults and especially men. They should be taught what's right and what's wrong and how to defend themselves, but this fear of men can last a lifetime and affect relationships, both intimate and otherwise. At some point, your daughter will have to be without your "protection". She will have to know how to handle herself.

Standing outside the ladies room door and monitoring who goes in is pretty creepy. You know, a woman might report you or even call the police. She might take your photo and post it on social media.

edit:

After reading your second post, I think you are paranoid to the extreme. Who are you to decide who is "shady" or not? Who are you to decide who can talk to your child? You are apparently one of the parents I mentioned above who is teaching his child to fear anyone they don't know. That's bad for her and it's going to hurt her in the long run. A person who asks your child about her dog isn't necessarily a pedophile. What are you going to do, lock her in the house and home school her?

[hosekid]

Wow. So some TG types are de facto dangerous? Riiiight. That is exactly the kind of ignorant stereotype we should all be trying to dispel at every opportunity. Kids need our protection. No argument, but that 15 year old trans girl needs our protection too. Suggesting that she's some kind of threat, just because she is TG, is some kind of twisted thinking. It needs to stop.

Yes, some TG people are de facto dangerous, just like some gay men are, just like some black women, just like some white teenagers, just like some midgets. Just because they are trans DOESNT automatically make them safe.

the 15 year old tg need protecting too, NEVER NEVER said she didn't. But protecting from what? hurt feelings because some girls are gonna call her names. well she better get used to that, because that is going to happen regardless of, well, anything. Does she need protecting from the boys in her school? Just because she is a tg she should get special treatment that the gg's are denied? After all, the TG doesnt want to pee with the males, but we are gonna force the gg's to? That's not fair is it. Maybe she needs protecting just like all the other kids do, so she can develop into the person she is meant to be.

BTW, exactly what happens IF and I did say IF, at 16 years old, she decides to go back to her male gender? It does happen. Should she be allowed to make the switch back to the boys restroom? Or should she be encouraged to find her true self, and told that she has to keep going to the ladies room? I guess my point is that there is no really good answer to this.

Last thing though, you seem to have added the word "just" into my thought. You said I think she is some kind of threat "just" because she is TG. I never said that. I said TEEN's lack the impulse control of grown ups. Not once did I say or even imply that she was a threat because of her gender presentation. What needs to stop is reading anti-trans into people's thoughts when they differ from your own.

[Pat]

ok, last one for now. Who is Shady going into the bathroom with my daughter....this is NOT an all inclusive list

1. ANYONE (stranger) who has randomly spoken to her for no reason (think disney world and someone asks her where she is from or if she has a dog, ect)
2. ANYONE (stranger) who has been paying undue attention to her (staring, taking pictures, ect.)
3. ANYONE who is an obvious druggie (I know people can hide it, but we have all seen strung out people)
4. ANYONE who is visibly upset to the point of violence. Not sad people, but angry at their boss or coworker, slamming doors, cursing
5. People that just give a bad vibe.


So, what you've posted is pretty much what we call the "Stranger Danger" list. And I understand why that's an appealing list. But examination of where/how kids get harmed show that it's far more likely that they'll be harmed by relatives or adults who have worked themselves into positions of trust. The problem with the Stranger Danger model is that is makes you suspect the wrong people while at the same time makes you face away from the actual dangers. You should look into this a little more closely if it impacts your life as much as it seems to.


the 15 year old tg need protecting too, NEVER NEVER said she didn't. But protecting from what? hurt feelings because some girls are gonna call her names. well she better get used to that, because that is going to happen regardless of, well, anything. Does she need protecting from the boys in her school? Just because she is a tg she should get special treatment that the gg's are denied?

Generally, TG kids primarily need protecting from physical assault. But I stongly question your assertion that a trans girl needs to get used to being called names by other girls. Most kids these days are pretty supportive and affirming. Much more so than yourself.

I do not understand what "special rights" you think are being accorded transgender students (either trans female, or trans male) that cis kids are denied. Pretty much they're just looking for the same rights everyone else has -- the right to live their life unmolested.

[hosekid]

I think you are making a big mistake in thinking that all teenagers are not fully developed mentally and that all adults are. It's a bad generalization. If teenagers haven't fully developed mentally, why are they allowed to drive? Why are they allowed to join the military and carry weapons? And why are they allowed to vote?

Watch the news on TV for a while and you will see that most people arrested for sex crimes are adults. Some are school teachers. Some are relatives.

I think it's a shame that some parents teach their children to be fearful of adults and especially men. They should be taught what's right and what's wrong and how to defend themselves, but this fear of men can last a lifetime and affect relationships, both intimate and otherwise. At some point, your daughter will have to be without your "protection". She will have to know how to handle herself.

Standing outside the ladies room door and monitoring who goes in is pretty creepy. You know, a woman might report you or even call the police. She might take your photo and post it on social media.

edit:

After reading your second post, I think you are paranoid to the extreme. Who are you to decide who is "shady" or not? Who are you to decide who can talk to your child? You are apparently one of the parents I mentioned above who is teaching his child to fear anyone they don't know. That's bad for her and it's going to hurt her in the long run. A person who asks your child about her dog isn't necessarily a pedophile. What are you going to do, lock her in the house and home school her?

Your entire argument can be dismissed because of your question "who are you to decide who can talk to your child". I will tell you who I am, I am her parent. I decide exactly who she may talk to, be friends with, and what her bedtime is. You imply that YOU would have a right to talk to her while dismissing her parents rights to raise her as they see fit. You may do with your children however you please. I can teach MY kids how to spot bad apples without endangering their future relationships. You are exactly right that I wont always be around to protect her, and that is why I have to teach her to protect herself. What kind of parent are you to think that you have no right to determine who your child interacts with.

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So, what you've posted is pretty much what we call the "Stranger Danger" list. And I understand why that's an appealing list. But examination of where/how kids get harmed show that it's far more likely that they'll be harmed by relatives or adults who have worked themselves into positions of trust. The problem with the Stranger Danger model is that is makes you suspect the wrong people while at the same time makes you face away from the actual dangers. You should look into this a little more closely if it impacts your life as much as it seems to.

I am by no means suggesting that I ignore relatives/friends/and the most likely people that would do harm, but I am saying that I don't let my guard down at a restaurant. In other words, I know that I should watch out for the rattlesnakes (friends/family) but I also have to be mindful of the vicious dogs (strangers)

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Yep, that's pretty shady. And probably pretty embarrassing if it turns out to be a real woman. And he get's charged instead!

any cd/trans person, myself included, have no problem making women uncomfortable when using the restroom, if they are in there with them.

So somebody tell me, if your 10 year old is in the bathroom while you are at, say a ballgame, do you let her go all alone (if her mother isnt there) or do you walk her to the door and stay outside while she does her business? Maybe it is just in the south, but in crowded places, there are ALWAYS dads waiting on their daughters or maybe wives/girlfriends by the women's bathroom. You all seem to think it's crazy, but I don't get that.

[BillieS]

ok, last one for now. Who is Shady going into the bathroom with my daughter....this is NOT an all inclusive list

1. ANYONE (stranger) who has randomly spoken to her for no reason (think disney world and someone asks her where she is from or if she has a dog, ect)
2. ANYONE (stranger) who has been paying undue attention to her (staring, taking pictures, ect.)
3. ANYONE who is an obvious druggie (I know people can hide it, but we have all seen strung out people)
4. ANYONE who is visibly upset to the point of violence. Not sad people, but angry at their boss or coworker, slamming doors, cursing
5. People that just give a bad vibe.


Is this a put-on hosekid?

You walk into women’s restrooms in male mode anytime someone who gives off a “bad vibe” goes in there after your daughter?

You’ve done this multiple times, you say?

Really?

I can’t say I’ve ever heard of such a thing.

[Shelly Preston]

the 15 year old tg need protecting too, NEVER NEVER said she didn't. But protecting from what? hurt feelings because some girls are gonna call her names. well she better get used to that, because that is going to happen regardless of, well, anything. Does she need protecting from the boys in her school? Just because she is a tg she should get special treatment that the gg's are denied? After all, the TG doesnt want to pee with the males, but we are gonna force the gg's to? That's not fair is it. Maybe she needs protecting just like all the other kids do, so she can develop into the person she is meant to be.


You seem to have missed one vital thing as that generally Women/Girls are more supportive of tg persons than Men/Boys

You seem to fail in the realization the if they are TG using the ladies that is the gender they should be. This is not a lifestyle that any of us choose. they just want the samne protection any other girls would have.

Most want to get in do what they need to and get out. Also the cubicals are individual not like the Mens room where there is less privacy for anyone.

[StephanieCLT]

For me if I'm dressed, I will use the Ladies room. In fact, when I ask where the restroom is, I'm often directed to the Ladies room (e.g., "The ladies room is the first door on the left."). In fact, it's one of my favorite affirmations to my look. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, my heart warms. When in, I do my business and leave. I'll never initiate a conversation, and in fact, when someone initiated with me, I was blown away!

[Paula DAngelo]

I think there is something here that everyone is forgetting. Hosekid has the right to protect their child and I can't see anyone arguing that point alone. However what Hosekid seems to be forgetting is that their rights extend up to the point that they infringe on someone else's rights. Just because you think someone looks "shady" or that you have a bad feeling about someone does not give you the right to infringe on their rights. Sure you may not like them going into the same area that your child is in but that does not give you the right to stop them from doing something that they can legally do. If they are doing something that isn't legal, go for it, now you're with in your rights and no one is going to fault you. If you are acting based on just your gut feeling then you are acting on impulse, the same thing you are worrying that teens will do, why are you allowed when you aren't giving those "out of control" teens the same right??? I think people need to realize that if some one is acting in a legal manner they should be left alone regardless of your own personal feelings.

[Becky Blue]

havent had a lot of time, but will try to answer questions as I get a few minutes here and there. sorry, work sucks.

Ok here goes. My daughter should not be alone with ANY male who is not a relative. Be it her school principal in his office, the next door neighbor, or a man in the bathroom. These places all have privacy that accommodates people looking to do harm to children. But all of these grown ups have matured and understand right from wrong and consequences. However, a teenager, especially teenage males, have not fully developed mentally. They act on impulses. They do things without thinking about right and wrong or about consequences. Now add to that someone who is gender dysphoric. Now that person really has pressure on them, but they are not fully mentally developed. Now they have access to a private space, unguarded, with females. (so little johnny, who 2 months ago decides he wants to be a girl is now free to roam the girls bathroom, when suddenly he gets an "urge" to touch a genetic girl.) So you tell me, is the person I am describing more likely to act on impulse than a grown up in that situation? I think where people go wrong with what I said is they are focusing on the word trans when I am focusing on the word TEEN. BTW, who pays higher car insurance? Grown ups or teens? And what teens pay higher insurance, boys or girls? I don't know if I do a good job explaining...

Hosekid, I am not going to comment on how you bring up your children that is none of my business. What is clear however is that you obviously have zero understanding of what it is like to be transgender. For anyone never mind a teenager to turn their world upside down and transition is a massive massive event, such people are not going suddenly get uncontrollable urges to touch a young girl, even your choice of the pronoun he shows lack of understanding and clear bias.

So in your world of thinking you are perfectly happy with your daughter using the same bathrooms as a young FTM person, born female but presenting as a male? Or would you be bursting in to the room and make that person feel threatened?

BTW the reason young people pay higher premiums on car insurance is they lack driving experience and yes males pay higher rates, but that is not because they lack impulse control but because they tend to drive faster and yes some are risk takers. You seem to think that all young boys are walking around pumped up on testosterone assaulting young girls on their way to race their muscle cars..

[hosekid]

I think there is something here that everyone is forgetting. Hosekid has the right to protect their child and I can't see anyone arguing that point alone. However what Hosekid seems to be forgetting is that their rights extend up to the point that they infringe on someone else's rights. Just because you think someone looks "shady" or that you have a bad feeling about someone does not give you the right to infringe on their rights. Sure you may not like them going into the same area that your child is in but that does not give you the right to stop them from doing something that they can legally do. If they are doing something that isn't legal, go for it, now you're with in your rights and no one is going to fault you. If you are acting based on just your gut feeling then you are acting on impulse, the same thing you are worrying that teens will do, why are you allowed when you aren't giving those "out of control" teens the same right??? I think people need to realize that if some one is acting in a legal manner they should be left alone regardless of your own personal feelings.

exactly paula. just to clarify though, I didn't say that I rush in EVERY time I seen someone I didn't like. But there have been more than one occasion were someone went into the bathroom she was in and they were either acting so strange or were visibly emotionally disturbed that it warranted me going in to get my kid. However, I never told anyone they could not go in there, more like I said sorry my kid is taking forever let me get her and we will get out of your way. People act like I am the nazi SS at the door saying "show me your papers" LOL. But think of how many times a woman has watched as her little boy was in the bathroom. I cant count the times I have seen a woman go in the mens bathroom to get her kids.

[Aunt Kelly]

the 15 year old tg need protecting too, NEVER NEVER said she didn't. But protecting from what? hurt feelings because some girls are gonna call her names.
Yes. You a damned right she needs our protection from that, and your baseless fears, demonizing her for being a teenager or trans, are adding to that suffering. Yes, they are. You are part of the problem.
WTF part of "transsexual" do you actually understand? Any of it? Because you damned sure don't understand much if you are referring to her as a male, as in "pee with the males". Really? And you think "fair" is forcing her to use the men's room. That is a staggeringly ignorant statement.

I don't have the words to adequately express my disappointment at hearing such ignorant statements as those you have made here, so I'll stop before I stoop to expressing the other emotions I am having right now.

[Jodie_Lynn]

Two things I want to express and then I am done with this disturbing trainwreck of a thread.

1 - Hosekid, here is some food for thought: What if the "shady character" is already IN the bathroom when your daughter goes in? Shouldn't you scope out the bathroom first, before she goes in? I mean really, if you are going to protect her, you really should. And what about the bathrooms at school? Aren't you worried some shady characters might be in there? You better check that out as well.

2 - According to your logic then, the majority of forumites on this site would fall into your "shady" classification. Because many of us are genetic males; many of us crossdress, and many of identify as a gender other than what is on our birth certificates. So if you saw one of us go into the restroom after your daughter did, you would, presumably, rush in to "save" her. And based on your earlier statements, somehow I doubt you would be as tactful as you claim in your later statements.

My burning question is: If you hold such a low opinion ( and apparent ignorance of the TG condition ) of the CD/TG community, the WTF are you even doing here?


I am just thankful that the chances of running into you or your little angel are slim to damn near improbable.

Done & done.

[Jeri Ann]

Hosekid,

It seems to me that you look for reasons to camp out at, and enter the women’s restroom and possibly use your daughter, if you have a daughter, as bait. What a perv. I don’t know where you are but If you were to come into the women’s restroom when I am in there you WILL be reported.

[Cassandra Lynn]

After reading and re-reading this "trainwreck of a thread", I just can't get past this nagging thought that you're trolling.
May not have been your intention, but you surely got there.

I went so far as to take a peak at your history (and don't let your paranoia get the best of you yet again, I was just wondering how some one who dates back to the very early days here, has/had only 23 posts), and you went from a casual pantyhose enthusiast to someone going out.

But that time frame does represent a valid journey from the casual to the not so casual. Perhaps you were the quiet type for all those years?
Your OP started out ok I guess, but then you went all transphobic at post #23 and it got dumb and dumber from there on out.

Idk, maybe once you started getting the errors of your ways pointed out to you, you got defensive?
Something in your 'men who shouldn't be alone with your daughter' rant stands out to me: a school principal? Wow!

13 years here and you've learned nothing at all about the trans experience; you never took the time to read about the trials and tribulations of trans-folk, the pain and heartache, or conversely the joy and happiness of getting past the fear (and you got that by the 55 gallon drum) to acceptance?

Frankly you have earned every bit of the vitriol and anger you've been handed to you.

To answer you original question about which bathroom to use "or none at all?"....yes, you should prolly not use any public facility!
For you and your families safety, and for everyone else's as well, just don't.

Cass

[hosekid]

Hosekid,

It seems to me that you look for reasons to camp out at, and enter the women’s restroom and possibly use your daughter, if you have a daughter, as bait. What a perv. I don’t know where you are but If you were to come into the women’s restroom when I am in there you WILL be reported.

Thats rich! I mean, a crossdresser reporting a man in the women's bathroom. What a damn joke. I guess I could just show whoever you reported me to my panties and tell them that I too am a crossdresser so I have just as much right as you do to be in there. I mean, who says crossdressers have to be frilly all the time. A lot of women dress exactly as I do every day, and wear no makeup, so why would I be any different?

[Krisi]

......................... A lot of women dress exactly as I do every day, and wear no makeup, so why would I be any different?

Because you are a man and look like a man. It's the women's restroom. The men's restroom is down the hall.

If you continue to walk into the women's restrooms dressed as a man, you are going to end up in trouble. Either with the police or some other girl's father or a woman's husband. And it won't be pretty.

As for your parenting, yes you have the right to raise your children to fear strangers but you have a responsibility to them and the public not to. At the rate you're going you're going to raise some messed up kids who will have trouble relating to others. If you're afraid of perverts, maybe you should reconsider where you take your children in the first place.

[hosekid]

After reading and re-reading this "trainwreck of a thread", I just can't get past this nagging thought that you're trolling.
May not have been your intention, but you surely got there.

I went so far as to take a peak at your history (and don't let your paranoia get the best of you yet again, I was just wondering how some one who dates back to the very early days here, has/had only 23 posts), and you went from a casual pantyhose enthusiast to someone going out.

But that time frame does represent a valid journey from the casual to the not so casual. Perhaps you were the quiet type for all those years?
Your OP started out ok I guess, but then you went all transphobic at post #23 and it got dumb and dumber from there on out.

Idk, maybe once you started getting the errors of your ways pointed out to you, you got defensive?
Something in your 'men who shouldn't be alone with your daughter' rant stands out to me: a school principal? Wow!

13 years here and you've learned nothing at all about the trans experience; you never took the time to read about the trials and tribulations of trans-folk, the pain and heartache, or conversely the joy and happiness of getting past the fear (and you got that by the 55 gallon drum) to acceptance?

Frankly you have earned every bit of the vitriol and anger you've been handed to you.

To answer you original question about which bathroom to use "or none at all?"....yes, you should prolly not use any public facility!
For you and your families safety, and for everyone else's as well, just don't.

Cass

its not that I dont have sympathy or empathy for trans/cd people, but that I have RESPECT for ALL people. It seems that a majority of people here are so caught up in demanding their rights and demanding that they be accepted that they have ignored how other people feel. I hear a lot of comments about cd/trans using the womens restroom, and not caring about how other people feel, yet get mad if a man tries to protect his family. It's a double standard. And by the attitudes displayed here, I am starting to agree that all bathrooms should be limited to birth gender. For a group of people that demands tolorance, there sure isnt any tolorance here!

And I still have not yet heard how any of the other fathers here handle protecting their kids in bathrooms. Do ya'll just let your kids wonder freely without paying attention?

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Because you are a man and look like a man. It's the women's restroom. The men's restroom is down the hall.

If you continue to walk into the women's restrooms dressed as a man, you are going to end up in trouble. Either with the police or some other girl's father or a woman's husband. And it won't be pretty.

As for your parenting, yes you have the right to raise your children to fear strangers but you have a responsibility to them and the public not to. At the rate you're going you're going to raise some messed up kids who will have trouble relating to others. If you're afraid of perverts, maybe you should reconsider where you take your children in the first place.

and Krisi, You too are a man and look like a man. You may have makeup and a dress on, and I may not, but the clothes do not make the girl. So you are basically telling me that I am not pretty enough to use to women's bathroom? And as for the other girls father or womans husband, I bet if he seen me go in there, he already knows my reason why and will probably be coming in to back my play rather than question as to why I went in. And there isnt a police officer alive (at least within 500 miles of here) that will do anything to a dad getting his kid out of a bathroom. I think you are living too deep in a fantasy world.

[marshalynn]

Hosekid, from what I have read that you have written, you think ever one is out to get your child in restroom that is a CD. Please do a little research and find one time this has happened in real life and let use know where it was. Marshalynn

[Pat]

This thread is not moving forward but is becoming a finger-pointing match. Time to close it.