Are you a CDer because of this?

[Jenny22]

I've watched many Woman-less Pageants, mostly of the high school or college type. When you were in that general age group, did you ever so participate? Or, did you seriously participate at a later age?
If yes, how did you feel about the dressing, makeup .. the whole nine yards? If at the younger age level, might that have caused you to start your CDing journey?

[2B Natasha]

Participate. No
Later age. No
Younger age. No
The cause. No
Born this way. Yes
Any external forces cause. No

[Sami Brown]

I don't even know what a women-less pageant is, so I know for sure that isn't the reason why I crossdress.

I do crossdress for a couple of reasons. The first is that it somehow expresses the inner me. The second is that I have always been a scaredy cat, and I am using crossdressing to help me with all of my fears, not just the fear of crossdressing. Writing about it in my blog also helps with both expressing myself and overcoming fear.

Sami

[phili]

I never heard of one till now, but would have been horribly jealous of anyone who go to do it. I wouldn't have gone because I think it is an effort to deal with the crossdressing urges of boys in a formal ritual way. The intent is then that everyone goes away feeling like 'now they know' how much trouble girls go to, and it is not a thing to envy or about being aroused, it is cultural costuming, and expensive!

Boys then are not expected to ever do it again except in the same public controlled circumstance.

I imagine some boys find it rather wonderful to do, and everyone pretends that they don't.

Did anyone on the Forum ever do it?

[NjJamie]

Jenny, your question is about as dead on to my start as could be so I hope I can answer the question in a coherent manner.

At about 7 or 8 my mom dressed my brother and I as girls for a church Halloween contest. At the time I just remember the differences between the clothing, but I think the "infection" was planted with that pair of black patent go-go boots, tights and a skirt as that has always been the "dream" outfit for me later in life.

About 5 years later I found myself staying in a spare bedroom, which happened to have a closet full of extra clothes from my mother and other relatives who would stay in that room when visiting. I found those boots along with a pair of pantyhose and suddenly the desire to put them on boiled up; the rest they say is history! Within a few months I was sneaking around and dressing as completely as I could, with the big steps of a wig, make-up and finally nails as milestones in my hobby habit occurring over the following years.

There was always the same ending, followed by immediate changing back to boy mode but the adventures always were moving one step further along this road and only limited by the time and materials available. Even when there were years between "hobby time" the thoughts were there and now it has evolved into a slower, more enjoyable pace with the emphasis on being comfortable as Jamie, doing things as if I really was who I portray. I know I am "her" when I dress, but I am also aware that it is a temporary condition, one to be totally enjoyed and experienced, but one that has a limit, due both to the reality of my life as well as the nature of my version of this activity.

I truly admire anyone who can take it further and completely support their participation, almost wishing we could all be much more open about it but realize that the rest of society probably would not react in ways each of us could live with (job, family, etc.). I wonder what such a situation would be like and on occasion, when the "pink fog" is very thick, find the urge to find out what it would be like to have no secret but then the rest of my situation seeps in and I run for the bedroom to undress.

Great question, looking forward to everyone's answers!

[Tracy Irving]

I did not know there was such a thing as a woman-less pageant. I need to get out more.

[NjJamie]

Phili and Sami, take a peek on YouTube to see a few. I know it was a big event for me and wish I could have done it at a later time, with as complete preparation as possible but would have been worried that what we call 'pink fog' hit me and everyone would know my secret. Funny how those of us who fear having such a secret revealed don't join in when others are simply playing around.

Two incidents come to mind, both with vivid memories. The first was a Halloween day in Junior High, a neighbor dressed up in his sisters clothes and even went so far as using the girls bathroom, an incident that caused both laughter and immediate intervention by the school administration. I am still jealous that he was able to spend such a day in school but also believe absolutely everyone would know that it was so much more than a goof if I had done it.

The second involved a day at my first job out of college when a few of us were talking in the break room and the secretary was talking about her experiences with CD's when all of a sudden she looked right at me, commented that I would look good all dressed up and I must have frozen on the spot, turned bright red and almost fainted. I now know she must have figured me out, that awkward silence was so thick but I kind of shuffled out and hoped she never brought it up again. I now know I missed probably the best opportunity to make a connection but as a new person at the company could never have make it work.

Oh well, that's why there are so many tomorrows and sooner or later I will get that much further down the road.

[Tracii G]

OK I'm confused.

[DaisyLawrence]

No. Born like this. No external factors of any type triggered my crossdrssing.

[docrobbysherry]

Jenny, 2 years ago I attended the USA finals of the Trans World Queen competition. Is THAT what u r talking about!?:straightface:

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[Teresa]

Jenny,
For a boy of my generation for anyone to know and worse still be seen wearing female clothes would have been a disaster , you would have had all the names under the sun thrown at you and possibly have been subjected to physical violence . I don't recall boys taking female parts in plays , the girls from the local high school were usually invited to fill those slots .

[Georgina]

No. I crossdress because I discovered all the beautiful things my mother wore under her dress, back in the fifties.

[SaraLin]

Early in life, when I was in cub scouts, they put on a play where a knight in shining armor (tin foil over cardboard) rescued a damsel in distress (me in a dress and mop head for hair). I secretly enjoyed being the girl, but it didn't "cause" my CD'ing. I've always felt like a girl inside and my dressing is about the only outlet I have really have ever had to express it.
The play was an OPPORTUNITY, not a CAUSE.

That's the closest I ever came to a woman-less pagent. There was nothing like that in my high school or college-age years.

[Shely]

Never been in one, but it sounds like fun. And i have no idea where the CDing came from, but it's here in spades and to stay.

[dana digs sweaters]

They have been going on for quite some time
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[MarinaTwelve200]

Just a few years back we had a Womanless Beauty pageant at our church. I was invited to participate---and accepted the challenge. Besides, they had a female "makeup crew", and I thought I might learn something new from them. Turns out, I knew more about makeup than they did, but they did a halfway decent job anyway. It was more or less a funny farce. we each had to have a "Talent act"---so I did a rendition of "A bird in a guilded cage" as my long gown and fishnets and feathered fan was suggestive of some 1890's saloon girl. I was surprised by a couple of guys who in RL you never would think would pass. I walked right past our Choir director as we were preparing, and didn't take a second glance--I just assumed he was one of the "ladies" helping out.

The pageant was "won" by a retired 80 year old preacher, obviously for sentimental reasons, but he looked a lot better than you would think. He had the bravery and sense of humor to go up there (He was the "church clown" anyway. All and all, we were dressed well and tried to "play it straight" (for the most part)---That way when we "goofed up" things were even FUNNIER. I won no prize, finishing "in the heard" of 8 or 9 of us.

To cap it off, our camera man who was filming the event, Discovered that he had forgot to plug in the SD card---So we had nothing, save for a few snapshots by the Audience. DRAT! I got a snapshot of me on stage, but while my fan covered my face, and another of me in a group photo, a bit out of focus.

Still it was fun and counted as my SECOND time ever out in public (I did a female Gypsy Fortune teller for Halloween a few years before)

[Stacy Darling]

Never heard of such a thing around here. It's raising a few questions though!
Thanks for the descriptive Dana, must happen somewhere!

Anyhow, Never done it and have missed out I think!

Missed out Stacy!

[Ressie]

I also wasn't aware of such contests. I'm wondering if being pushed into participating in one (as a teen) might have the opposite affect? I mean if my mom arranged for me to dress as a girl, in front of many people, maybe CDing would have turned me off.

It's a good question but so far no one here has been in a beauty pageant. So one has to wonder what became of the kids in Dana Digs' photos above.

[dana digs sweaters]

I also wasn't aware of such contests. I'm wondering if being pushed into participating in one (as a teen) might have the opposite affect? I mean if my mom arranged for me to dress as a girl, in front of many people, maybe CDing would have turned me off.

It's a good question but so far no one here has been in a beauty pageant. So one has to wonder what became of the kids in Dana Digs' photos above.

Maybe these two are converts?.....

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[Rhonda Darling]

To better understand the womanless pagent, see the followinf.

Stana, of Femulate.org fame, occasionally writes about womanless beauty pagents. One the is quite fameous is the annual University of the Philippines College of Engineering.

Also see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/79189925@N06/collections/72157629840145025/ for the Flicker page collection compiled by Starla of high school yearbooks chronicling hundreds of their womanless beauty pagents (strangely, this is mostly a phenomena of the Southern USA).

Finally, see: http://www.femulate.org/search?q=Womanless

Considering the number of participants in these pagents, it is clear that they are not producing an equal number of crossderssers. I'm sure that someone who is destined to be one of us who participates gets a "boost up" from that opportunity, but it is not the cause.

YMMD

[Beverley Sims]

No, my dressing started much earlier, I was in one once and came third in the judging.

[Julie Slowinski]

Participate. No
Later age. No
Younger age. No
The cause. No
Born this way. Yes
Any external forces cause. No

Dido ...

[Jenny22]

Not really, Sherry. Those competing in your competition are Pros. A womanless Pageant is usually a charity fundraiser by amatures in high school or college with awards and trophies given to winners of various catagories and one crowned Queen. From my reading about them, many are annual events. Some of the "girls" are really pretty. Google womanless pageants. They are not (openly) about giving dressing opportunities to boys who CD.


Jenny, 2 years ago I attended the USA finals of the Trans World Queen competition. Is THAT what u r talking about!?:straightface:

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[michelleddg]

Participate. No
Later age. No
Younger age. No
The cause. No
Born this way. Yes
Any external forces cause. No

Speaks for me. Baby, I was born this way. Hugs, Michelle

[Jenny22]

Considering the number of participants in these pagents, it is clear that they are not producing an equal number of crossderssers. I'm sure that someone who is destined to be one of us who participates gets a "boost up" from that opportunity, but it is not the cause.
Rhonda, in reality, you are probably correct. BUT, its also a long shot that every boy who participated in such an activity is now a deeply closeted CD.

[Aunt Kelly]

No. Those things pretty much didn't exist when I started cross-dressing. And yes, much younger that. Early grade school.

[Jenny22]

I'm surprised at the number who viewed the post. Anyoldhow, if you'd like to see and learn more about these activities, Google womanless pageants. Many pretty people!

[MarinaTwelve200]

I also wasn't aware of such contests. I'm wondering if being pushed into participating in one (as a teen) might have the opposite affect? I mean if my mom arranged for me to dress as a girl, in front of many people, maybe CDing would have turned me off.

It's a good question but so far no one here has been in a beauty pageant. So one has to wonder what became of the kids in Dana Digs' photos above.


There is a LONG tradition In the south with social clubs and churches having "womanless weddings" and "womanless beauty contests", going back to the 1920s---no one thought anything ill of it. In the early 60's they were still not unheard of, and every teenage boy or male friend also dressed as "girls" on Halloween.---- As I was just starting to CD in secret, about then, I was too "chicken" to do it (although I really wanted to). This stuff sort of died out in the mid 60's through the next 20 something years of so---somehow suddenly, becoming associated with Homosexuality, "perverts", etc., witch nobody ever considered before,----It is only now just coming back again.

I don't think is "causes CDing" one has to be quite confident in one's own sexuality to participate. A "confused" secret CD kid would try to avoid it at all costs, afraid his secret would "leak out" somehow. There is also a "safety in numbers aspect to be considered. It's easier when several other guys are doing it too. And if one is "Confident" that he is not somehow unconsciously "gay" or something, it is also easy. Most "normal guys get "big laughs" from doing such stuff---It's the shy or "more serious" types that might have the Psychological "hang-ups", including their own CD.

[dana digs sweaters]

It happens :battingeyelashes:

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[PamelaRI]

I've heard of them and have jealously viewed pictures and videos, but they weren't a thing where I'm from. Whatever the cause or trigger, I've felt since at least Kindergarten that I was not part of the group in the male box.

[sometimes_miss]

I'm a crossdresser because I was told at an early age that I was really supposed to be a girl, and I wasn't smart enough then to argue the reasons that were presented to me. So I grew up believing that I was really a girl, and tried to learn how to be one and dress like one (in private) in preparation for whenever god got around to fixing me and making me into the girl I was really supposed to be. Of course, that never happened, so I wound up being just a very screwed up man who feels the need to wear women's clothes, because that's what I feel like I'm supposed to wear.

Maybe it would have been nice to be normal. I'll never know.

[docrobbysherry]

Not really, Sherry. Those competing in your competition are Pros. A womanless Pageant is usually a charity fundraiser by amatures in high school or college with awards and trophies given to winners of various catagories and one crowned Queen. From my reading about them, many are annual events. Some of the "girls" are really pretty. Google womanless pageants. They are not (openly) about giving dressing opportunities to boys who CD.
Thanks for the info, Jenny. These were "invented" way after I was in school, apparently. Because I had no idea they were commonplace! Maybe my daughters will remember them from their school days? I'll have to ask!:heehee:

[Krisi]

If anyone actually knew why we crossdress, there would be a cure.

I suspect I crossdress because my mother was hoping for a daughter and was disappointed when I was born with a penis. She used to dress me as a little girl when nobody was around (a fact that I only found out when she disclosed it to the whole family just before she passed away). Of course, that is just a suspicion, not documented fact.

Other crossdressers have their own reasons of course but they are all just guesses.

[MichelleCD]

If anyone actually knew why we crossdress, there would be a cure.

I suspect I crossdress because my mother was hoping for a daughter and was disappointed when I was born with a penis. She used to dress me as a little girl when nobody was around (a fact that I only found out when she disclosed it to the whole family just before she passed away). Of course, that is just a suspicion, not documented fact.

Other crossdressers have their own reasons of course but they are all just guesses.

I started doing it because I knew I liked men. Even though I'm married to a woman, I've always enjoyed "sex in reverse." (bottom) The wife, Pete, who's always been a bit on the masculine side, at one time, enjoyed reversing the roles. And the strapon would come out. She's call me her wife, during the sessions. So, one night, before bed, I put on one of her nighties. And it's progressed from there.

But to be honest, before that, occasionally without her around, I'd slip on some of her clothes (ones that would fit). I love the softness of womens clothes. Being stuck in mans clothes all day, greasy and dirty, at the end of the day, it was nice to slip on something clean, soft & loose.

When we got our 4" matress pad, it made me sweat a lot. So I had to start wearing a night shirt. I started out with her pink one, because it was the only one that fit.

Also, one thing that helped, is I used to do her nail polish for her. Especially her toes. So, joking around about it one night, we got to talking about what colors would look good on me. And it didn't take long, I was wearing nail polish, pink night shirt, etc etc etc.

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OK I'm confused.

I think most of us are, gurl.

THE most confusing thing is why many of us have to lie. I'm in the closet with everyone except my wife. I could never come out, simply because of my kids and their reputation here in Redneckville. Society is filled with a bunch of one way streets. If someone goes the wrong way on it, is usually met head on with a society cop and a huge fine (sort of speak)

Being seen as a "freak of nature", to 99% of everyone around me, would be, IMO, a lot worse than just keeping my secret.

But the upside to it is, I enjoy my "me time." Where I can be and do what I want, male or fem, without anyone bothering me about it. A few years from now, my "me time" might be something completely different. But I'll probably still do it in panties. he he he he

[Kelli Jo-ann]

They have been a big thing here in the south. I participated in one about 10 years ago and took third place. I was dressed as Britney Spears. And from time to time they pop up and I have had a few calls to participate that had to turn them down per my wife's request.
Most participants are just average everyday guys doing it for a good cause most likely the "pillars of the community" type guys. In our area it was always the local fire department that put it on. It got so big one year that the local weatherman came to MC the event and it was standing room only. (Not because of the weather man LOL) and from what l understand parts of the event made the news.
Kelli

[Ressie]

If anyone actually knew why we crossdress, there would be a cure.

I suspect I crossdress because my mother was hoping for a daughter and was disappointed when I was born with a penis.
Other crossdressers have their own reasons of course but they are all just guesses.

Some of us here seem to be very sure that they were born this way. Maybe, but how can we know whether or not it really had something to do with early childhood events? I believe my mom also wanted a girl when she had me. I don't know if she dressed me in my sister's clothes when I was under 3 years old or not. She had me wear my sister's coat on halloween when I was 4, and there were other CD events that happened in my childhood too.

I feel it's partly genetic and partly early childhood events that caused this in my case. But I can't say for sure.

[SherriePall]

I'm surprised that only a few have participated in the womanless pageants. Online, there are so many featuring high school boys and younger. Some of them show pics of "girls" who look so fine that one has to really wonder if they continued dressing after school was over. I thought for sure that more of us would have done so.
As for me, living in the uncivilized North, the pageants were unheard of til I found them on the internet.
Again, I still wonder about some of the participants. I just can't believe it was once and done for them!

[Pat]

If anyone actually knew why we crossdress, there would be a cure.

If you believe it's an illness, then eventually there will probably be a cure. But perhaps we already know why people crossdress (https://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?253723-Our-favorite-quot-Why-quot-questions ). Then there's no "cure" because there's no illness. It would like trying to cure left-handedness.

[Shayna]

Quite frankly I’ve given up on trying to figure it out. I do it because that’s how I’m wired.

[DaisyLawrence]

If you believe it's an illness, then eventually there will probably be a cure. But perhaps we already know why people crossdress (https://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?253723-Our-favorite-quot-Why-quot-questions ). Then there's no "cure" because there's no illness. It would like trying to cure left-handedness.

Why is it that when I've read a few posts and decided what to say, I find Pat has just said it for me? Ah well, thanks Pat, that is exactly the reply I was going to do for Krisi!

[Rhonda Jean]

They had them in my high school. I never participated. The different clubs and organizations would sponsor a boy, and we've have an assembly where they'd do the pageant. It was always the more popular boys who were chosen, thus I was left out. I don't think I would have done it anyway. It would hit a little too close to home. There'd be about a dozen boys. Most of them did it as something comical. A couple of them would dress to pass, so to speak. A couple of the boys are particularly memorable to me. One was getting dresses in the gym. Actually the girls were dressing him. He had his hair in curlers and they were doing his makeup when I saw him. They took it seriously, and he looked awesome! The most memorable one was a boy whose mother gave us a ride to school sometimes, and this was one of those days. A friend and I walked to his house and had to go inside to wait on him to get ready. I didn't even know he was in the pageant. His mother dressed him before we ever even went to school (which some of the others did, too). He had long hair, too, as many of us did. She had rolled his hair and done his makeup to perfection, and he wore one of his sister's pageant dresses and heels. He was stunning!!! Nobody was laughing or making fun. It seemed like this was pretty serious to them. I was dumbfounded. Not only that he could be so pretty, but that it was done with such a serious attitude. I don't know if I said a word all the way to school. I don't even remember if he won. He was kind of a goofy looking kid as a boy, but as a girl he was stunning! His sister was a pageant girl, and until I saw him as a girl I didn't think they looked much alike. When he was dressed, the resemblance was obvious.

The only other one I know of where I knew one of the participants was at a small town church. There was a picture in the small town paper of a guy I knew in their pageant. He, too, made a very attractive woman. No parody there. His intent was to look like a woman, and he did so very convincingly.

[t-girlxsophie]

Only recently heard of such things,I think it's an American thing really isn't it?

I've said before on this site,but I've been asked numerous times Why? The answer damned if I know

[Confucius]

My school had womanless beauty pageants in high school, but I was already a crossdresser before then. I did not participate but I was always fascinated by the guys who did participate. The pageant was always held during homecoming week - part of Spirit Week. Each homeroom had one participant. When they asked for a volunteer, they usually got none. Then the teacher would usually ask a popular guy in the class to take one for the team. The volunteer was cheered on and treated like some kind of hero. They were able to act so cool, and turn it into something funny. I always knew that if I ever did that I would have an erection, be shaking all over, and be too nervous to show myself before my classmates.

Participating in one was always one of my fantasies. One guy I knew pretty well did it one year. He told us that his mother and aunt made a big deal out of it, and they worked on him every day for two weeks. He made sound like it was terrible. He was able to act cool and joke around with it only because he already had so much practice.

[MichelleCD]

I did not know there was such a thing as a woman-less pageant. I need to get out more.

That's the image I get looking at your avatar. he he he he

[Cherylgyno]

Jenny. I began dressing when I was 6 year's old. I didn't know about GG less pageants until I was about 20 and in an Asian country.
I was born a cross dresser.

[Vickie_CDTV]

I knew the womanless pageants existed (and have been around for a long time), but there was never one where I grew up. Maybe it is a regional thing? Maybe only at boys-only schools?

So, by extension, no, it didn't make me a dresser. I don't believe I was born this way either (personally, not speaking for others). It was other influences.

[Dana44]

No, I am gender fluid and it took me a while to understand it as we where forced to be men. But I knew by the time of my first marriage that I was quite different than other men. Went out with my first wife to a nice restaurant dressed way back in the 1970's. It was not well accepted back then. But no problems that night.

[MichelleCD]

One of my biggest reasons for Cd'ing, is the clothes. I love shopping for gurl stuff. Especially when there's no one around, except me and the sale lady. The woman at the Goodwill has gotten to know me too well. he he he he

[stephNE]

No, I'm sure that no outside forces caused me to cross dress. For me, it was all internal, I just identified as a girl at an early age.
When I was about five, I started trying on my moms bras, panties, and other things. My parents discouraged it as much as they could. I hated playing with the boys in the neighborhood (they liked getting dirty). But I loved playing dress up with the girls. I even asked my parents when were they going to buy me my own bras, panties, and such.

[CONSUELO]

Very interesting. I had never heard of this social phenomenon before. When I was in school in an area not too far from where Teresa lives, it was common for boys to play the female parts in plays at our all boys school.

Once again it raises the interesting question of why many males will happily take part in an event like this and do a really professional job of looking as feminine as possible, yet feel no prompting to become a cross dresser themselves.

It is one of our mysteries.

[Shely]

that's me too. I just am in love with the endless variety in cool, color, etc, etc. I also go to the GW two times a month, on dollar day and 10/$10 day, it's like an ester egg hunt for name brands. But the endless variety is a big factor. Men's clothes have so little variation it is amazing they can sell them.

[Dena]

I never heard of "womanless pageants" when I was young. There was quite a bit of cross dressing on TV in the 60's and 70's!

[Devi SM]

Unfortunately the realization in mind of who I am has been slow and late so none of those applied to me.
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Now I can see signal of being a trasgender in my childhood but there were so many elements that created concussion and cloud my mi d to see the reality like I see it now.

[DIANEF]

When I was in school it was common for boys to play the female parts in plays at our all boys school..

I did that when I was 16 (I played Desdemona in Othello) and I had to hide my pleasure at wearing a really nice dress for the role. On topic though, I can't think of any one thing that 'made' me cross dress, but there were plenty of triggers in my early years. One of my earliest memories is going to school wearing my sisters knickers as I had no clean undies available, must have been about five or six. I was pretty much raised entirely be women, as my (so called) father disappeared when I was three. I was closer to my sisters than my brothers. So many things but not one stand out one.

[Angie G]

In my younger days I never dress the whole nine yards. but it always felt good just to have something girly on.:hugs:
Angie

[MichelleCD]

Now that I think about it, crossdressing never really was something I thought about growing up. It didn't really hit my mind until after I got into my 40's. And I think it was simply because I'd never done it. I want to do everything once. (ok, well not everything) Things that society says one shouldn't do, as long as it's not painful, or adversely affect anyone else, I'm game for it.
CD'ing is a private matter to me. Same as sex. If someone like minded wants to join, and I'm attracted to them (their looks or their attitude), then I'm down with that too.

[Jenny22]

Once again it raises the interesting question of why many males will happily take part in an event like this and do a really professional job of looking as feminine as possible, yet feel no prompting to become a cross dresser themselves.

Consuelo, might it also be possible that because of the female parts they acted that every one of them became a CDer without any prompting, but may be totally closeted? Hmmmm.

[MarinaTwelve200]

If you believe it's an illness, then eventually there will probably be a cure. But perhaps we already know why people crossdress (https://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?253723-Our-favorite-quot-Why-quot-questions ). Then there's no "cure" because there's no illness. It would like trying to cure left-handedness.

I feel that such "anomalies" like Cross Dressing AND homosexuality, that appear to have no "CURE" are only secondary symptoms of another congenital anomaly that affects us in other (perhaps a variety) of other ways. Its just that expressing things like CD, HS and TS grab a disproportionate amount of ATTENTION in our society. so we concentrate on these symptoms rather focus on other personality "anomalies" (which are generally harmless, BTW). So all our attention may be directed to a SYMPTOM and not the core cause itself.----Its like trying to treat the flu with Cough medicine. Treating the coughing symptom and ignoring the cause of the illness. (Note I did NOT mean to suggest that CD, etc. was an "Illness", but a similar allegory, where we inadvertently focus on a symptom but, not a cause, and for pseudo-moral or cultural reasons) Thus a CURE will never come about unless we find the "core anomaly" that gives us the urge to cross-dress, etc. as a SYMPTOM of its presence.

So there may be some truth the "Pop Psychologists" declarations that there is no such thing as "CD, HS and TG as being a "Disease". No more than a cough or a fever are "diseases" in their own right.----We may only be trying to cure a symptom of some other, more subtle, and not yet recognized "condition"-----And it does not work.

[dana digs sweaters]

Makes you wonder if any of the girls that crossdressed as boys in these events have continued later on?.....

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