If everyone came out the closet

[Tamsin Secret]

Hi all,

Was just thinking if everyone who closet crossdressed or didn't dress outside the home embraced it and 'Came Out' how many of us would there be?

I watched a documentary in YouTube recently that was a little old but suggested there could be 250,000 of us in some form or another just in the UK alone!

That's a lot of visibility for the rest of the world to see it's not as unusual or uncommon as they think.

I know not everyone has the desire to let others know their business or to be seen doing their thing but it would be interesting to see how much of a social change there would be if all were revealed so to speak.

Enjoy your day whatever your upto today,

Tammy :<3:

[DaisyLawrence]

Tammy.
I'll do you a deal. You tell me how long a piece of string is and I'll tell you how many people closet crossdress in the UK :).
What I would say is that I bet it is more than anyone of us could ever imagine.

[colleen ps]

well. there are at least three of us here right now.

Come on all you Uk girls, Join in and lets see how many there are LOL.

Tammy, your Journey has overtaken mine since we first spoke, i am impressed.

[Teresa]

Tamsin,
We will never know the exact number, I posted a thread some time ago where it question being out , from those replies the figure of out or wanting to be out was almost 70% . You could try doing an up to date thread about " in or out " . Some actually like the secrecy , and I'd guess there are some who society would prefer not to see , how public would you want some of those people ?

An interesting situation may arise when the 2021 UK national census is held because they are planning a greater section on the LGBT community . The point the govenment is finding is it's more common than first thought and they want to enure the budget and provision is made for that sector . I feel the situation is going to be very interesting in some households bearing in mind it is an offence to make a false declaration . How many will honestly come out in the various catagories ? So I would expect to see a social change by then also considering the policy change in schools , they have become far more gender aware but I'm still not convinced that asking parents of school starters what gender they want their children registered under is a good thing .

[Isabella Ross]

I remember an Italian study that concluded about 10 percent of men crossdressed. I too believe they're more of us than any of us would care to think. Kind of disappointing as we're not the exclusive club we thought we were...

[Ressie]

If so, there would be CDs passing by continuously. But since many would be closet dressers some may be walking around in just bra & Panties!

[Tamsin Secret]

Hi Isabella, agree it's kinda nice to be exclusive in a way.

I would sacrifice some of that tho to make it more accessible and acceptable than it is currently.

Although my personal battle with breaking boundaries in the big bad world a being overcome it might also help some of us who's partners/wives are so cautious of. If it was a little more mainstream then it may help them deal with the social aspects of ridicule both for us and within their circles that I know my wife has deep reservations about.

[DIANEF]

I once read that one in nine UK males cross dressed to some extent or other, how accurate that is I can only guess at. I'm sure it is more common than most people realize.

[paulaprimo]

i think it would certainly be a much larger number if you included
the ones that think about or want to, but never did for one reason
or another. i was a very late bloomer, who went almost 50 years
before ever dressing... :)

[Beverley Sims]

There would be a lot of closet space.

I fully support the idea as I am in need of closet space for my clothes. :-)

[Lydianne]

Tammy.
I'll do you a deal. You tell me how long a piece of string is and I'll tell you how many people closet crossdress in the UK :).
What I would say is that I bet it is more than anyone of us could ever imagine.

A piece of string is double the length from the middle to one side :).

- Lydianne.

[Tamsin Secret]

On a personal note if there are any events in the UK that are well attended and all things encompassing I would love to know! The events page for the UK is very quiet for us UK folk and some advanced notice of a chance to get out there and meet some peeps would be very inviting!

I'm south coast based, Brighton is close, London is not to far away but if it's the right event I would consider a 'journey' :battingeyelashes:

[RADER]

Well you can count me as one on this side of the Pond.
Rader

[Tracy Irving]

it would be interesting to see how much of a social change there would be if all were revealed

My guess? Very little.

[Tamsin Secret]

Hi Tracy, what makes you think that? Just interested? :thinking:

[Bobbi46]

Not everyone can come out of the closet, there will never be a total "out" as such simply because of so much self created secrecy of those in a relationship who's partners know nothing. For sure it would be a perfect scenario for everybody to be out but apart from the relationship aspect there comes into the equation of ones demographic location, would being out be sociably accepted in that area?
I am lucky in that so many people in my area know I dress that it's not a problem but for some the same situation could be totally different, especially when colleagues at work find out, is that where the acceptance ends? is that where one crawls back into the closet? or is it where we brazen it out and say "Now look here this is me, this how I am, and I am proud of what and who I am" and also going onto explain the ins and outs of what makes us tick.

[Queen Bridget]

I once read that one in nine UK males cross dressed to some extent or other

1 in 9 is 11%. So 11% of the UK population (65 Million) would be about 7 million CDs!

No wonder there are so many thriving charity shops around.

[Tracy Irving]

Hi Tracy, what makes you think that? Just interested? :thinking:

Of all the social issues facing (insert country here) crossdressing had nothing to do with almost all of them. So, a couple extra dudes go shopping in a skirt and.... No more poverty? Better education?

Speaking specifically about the guy who wears panties, etc... What is the cause? What is the injustice? Will the masses join us to fight the good fight? Protests, riots, sit ins... When the dust settles will it finally be legal for a man to wear a dress?

Do we want to make it illegal for someone to think differently? What happens if someone laughs and hurts our feelings? Create a law to lock them up? That might not go over so well.

There is a biological male who identifies as gender female and likes to wear men's clothing. Which bathroom does he/she use? The men's, because it's all about the clothes? Wear whatever makes you happy and damn the rest.

I am far from an expert or even remotely knowledgeable on any of this and probably wrong on the rest of it. I'm just looking to get by with a smile on my face. After all, it's your world. I'm just trying to live in it.

[Tamsin Secret]

Picking up on another thread by Teresa which mentions humour as a source of nullifying possible objection I've found that when shopping it helps with my confidence.

If an SA makes a remark about 'it not fitting me' or something of the same ilk having a sense of humour can really put you in the driving seat.

Quick thinking with a little smile can do wonders!

[docrobbysherry]

Paula, I'm also a "late bloomer" who began in my 50's. The reason I didn't begin before then was because I had no gender issues until then and NEVER THOT ABOUT TRYING ON WOMEN'S THINGS! Why is it u waited until your 50's!?:straightface:

i think it would certainly be a much larger number if you included
the ones that think about or want to, but never did for one reason
or another. i was a very late bloomer, who went almost 50 years
before ever dressing... :)
We r continually debating how many dressers there r. With "expert" estimates posted here that say about 5% of the US population. And, some here fantasizing at up to 50%!:doh:
Look how quickly Bridget took Tamsin's 250K in the UK and turned it into 7 million!

1 in 9 is 11%. So 11% of the UK population (65 Million) would be about 7 million CDs!
No wonder there are so many thriving charity shops around.

The fact is most vanilla men r just like I was for about 50 years. They only they think about RE women's clothes is how good women look in them and how quickly they can get the women out of them!:o
If u wish to understand that better? Then, imagine how many men secretly want to become chicken farmers? Because that's probably similar to how often regular males fantasize about wearing women's things!:D

[Rayleen]

To go out if you want to pass I been told by a female friend : You dress and act like a girl or bust.

She and many others do not mind seeing us dress in public , but don't go out there half way.

So, maybe that's why they are more closet CD.

Rayleen

[deebra]

Educate me, why do you (the members that posted) think there are a lot more CD's or men that want to crossdress than you could ever imagine? If this is true doesn't it seem like CDing would be further along (acceptance) than it is? I thought we were born wanting to CD, are there a lot more born this way but surpressing it. What's the big deal in wearing women's clothes, why do men want to do it ?????????

[Rayleen]

deebra, because its exciting and makes you feeling happy when you do it .

My point of view.

[phili]

I think if everyone came out of the closet the closet could close and not open again- and crossdressing would be seen as part of normal behavior- simply expressing the fact that gender norms just don't fit a lot of people that well.

People my age can still remember when wearing full length pants was considered kind of radical and suspect for women.

[Queen Bridget]

What's the big deal in wearing women's clothes, why do men want to do it ?????????

There are many reasons for different people.

For some it's just for fun.
For some it's because they feel and identify as female.
For some it's a sexual fetish.
For some it's just a bit of escapism.
For some it's the feminine feeling.
For some it's the thrill of doing something that's taboo.

The reason there are so many men who hide it is because, even in this "Progressive" day and age, it is seen as something to be ashamed of, by both men and women. The social stigma is still there. So it's safer for crossdressers to keep it a secret.

[sometimes_miss]

No one really knows exactly what percentage of men crossdress. IIRC Kinsey's stats were around 2.5% of the general population. On this forum, you'll read all sorts of numbers, up to 50%, but I think the inflated numbers are simply a reflection of member's wishing that more men did it, in order to help themselves believe that they are normal, and so everyone else should think that crossdressing is normal as well.


I think if everyone came out of the closet the closet could close and not open again- and crossdressing would be seen as part of normal behavior
Just because quite a number of people do something, doesn't make it normal. There are lots of things that simply aren't accepted as normal, which millions of people do.

[DaisyLawrence]

1 in 9 is 11%. So 11% of the UK population (65 Million) would be about 7 million CDs!

No wonder there are so many thriving charity shops around.

Well no Bridget because Diane said 1 in 9 of the male population so that would be nearer 3.5 million as there are women in the UK (to my eternal gratitude).

[Queen Bridget]

Well no Bridget because Diane said 1 in 9 of the male population

Oh yeah. DOH! :doh:

I sometimes forget that real women exist. I just assume they are all guys dressed up.

[Ressie]

Although my personal battle with breaking boundaries in the big bad world a being overcome it might also help some of us who's partners/wives are so cautious of. If it was a little more mainstream then it may help them deal with the social aspects of ridicule both for us and within their circles that I know my wife has deep reservations about.

If one feels strongly enough about dressing 24/7, they will. Many CDs like to go out dressed every weekend because its' fun. Yet, during the week they have jobs that pretty much require being in male mode. As for myself, I just don't have much desire to dress in public.

[Tamsin Secret]

Ressie, I completely agree with you.

But....

I think that's my point. If you wanted to dress in the week and express your fem self being more socially excepted it would make that choice a more easy one.

I go from day to day feeling 100% happy in guy mode to others thinking you know what I wish I could have just gone Tammy today.